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Manfredo Jr 02-28-2006, 07:03 PM Yup u read correctly , i lost didnt just lose i got stoped in the first round! well i didnt get stoped by a ko or a tko the ref decided to stop it cos i was just sitting on the ropes with my gloves up , silly man lol. this is the truth i aint bullshiting anyone you dont have to beileve me if you dont wanna and you can slag me all you want but at least im man enough to come forward and admit i lost. , i went out into the ring and hit the boy with 5 or more clean punches 4 to the face one to the body ,i was using my reach so he could not really get to me , i circled him and stupid me circled into the ropes now this boys jab wasnt good but his hooks were great.anyways i was on the ropes with my hands up and he was just punching away at me , none of them hurt me one of the shook me but i wasnt going to drop or anything i take bigger hits in sparring all the tym, but i admit this is still a stupid thing to do , i dunno wht i was thinking. so the ref comes over and gives me a standing 8 count , i wasnt hurt but the ref doesnt know tht hes just doing his job huh , after the 8 count i think we exchanged blows and before i know it i was back on the ropes again! had my hands up but i wasnt moving my head or punching back , so the ref stops it . my trainer went mad at me cos i would of won tht fight if i had just moved my head and fought back of the ropes , but ive learned the hard way , i spoke to the boy after the fight , he was cool , he was about 1kg or probly more heavier than me but thts not an excuse , i dont have an excuse , i lost cos i didnt move my head or punch back , anyways i aint hurt atal . ill be back at the gym on thursday training for the Rematch. my winning streaks over. i aint gonna pack it in though im just gonna train and improve :D so much for me gonna try and tko him huh lol
Manfredo Jr 02-28-2006, 07:07 PM Yup u read correctly , i lost didnt just lose i got stoped in the first round! well i didnt get stoped by a ko or a tko the ref decided to stop it cos i was just sitting on the ropes with my gloves up , silly man lol. this is the truth i aint bullshiting anyone you dont have to beileve me if you dont wanna and you can slag me all you want but at least im man enough to come forward and admit i lost. , i went out into the ring and hit the boy with 5 or more clean punches 4 to the face one to the body ,i was using my reach so he could not really get to me , i circled him and stupid me circled into the ropes now this boys jab wasnt good but his hooks were great.anyways i was on the ropes with my hands up and he was just punching away at me , none of them hurt me one of the shook me but i wasnt going to drop or anything i take bigger hits in sparring all the tym, but i admit this is still a stupid thing to do , i dunno wht i was thinking. so the ref comes over and gives me a standing 8 count , i wasnt hurt but the ref doesnt know tht hes just doing his job huh , after the 8 count i think we exchanged blows and before i know it i was back on the ropes again! had my hands up but i wasnt moving my head or punching back , so the ref stops it . my trainer went mad at me cos i would of won tht fight if i had just moved my head and fought back of the ropes , but ive learned the hard way , i spoke to the boy after the fight , he was cool , he was about 1kg or probly more heavier than me but thts not an excuse , i dont have an excuse , i lost cos i didnt move my head or punch back , anyways i aint hurt atal . ill be back at the gym on thursday training for the Rematch. my winning streaks over. i aint gonna pack it in though im just gonna train and improve :D so much for me gonna try and tko him huh lol
ohh and btw the covicts were watching , well the well behaved ones , it wasnt perth prison it was polomont young affenders , tht littles scruffs were jusr boooing everyone , one of them shouted sheap shagers and my coatch shouted back its better than shaging each other LOL
RockyMarcianofan00 02-28-2006, 07:32 PM get em' nxt time man
Southpaw Stinger 02-28-2006, 07:41 PM I'm speechless my man..... Rope a Dope is only for long fights against sluggers! lol I can't believe the stupid ref stopped it. Anyhow, you have to update your record under your username to 01-1-0
Train hard for a rematch and kill the guy!
Rockin' 02-28-2006, 09:01 PM In the amatuers you can NEVER taker a "passive" position in a bout. Passive meaning that you are just covering up and allowing your opponent to throw blows at you. As you know as a referee my main concern is the safety of the fighters. If your in a passive position and are covering up too long, even though no blows may be landing, it is my job to step in a find out whats the matter.
I would have definately given an 8 count before stopping the bout. If after the 8 count you seemed good to go then I would do just that, let you go on. However, if you again returned to a passive position then my only line of thinking would be that either you have been hurt or that you are over matched. Only at that point would I have stopped the bout.
Congrats on steppin' up and throwing though. Lots of people talk it but few have the nutz to step up and do it. Loses in the amatuers are not so crucial as they are in the pros. In the amatuers you are there to learn your trade and to grow as a fighter. As long as you were not hurt then a lose is just something to learn from.
I started out 1-1, then I was like 3-3 and then I came into my own and ran off a really good string of victories in a row. I never liked losing but being able to accept it and then to take what you can from it to learn is what its about. Keep in the gym, come back even stronger but more importantly smarter, and make the boxing scene proud.
Rockin' :boxing:
opethdrums 03-01-2006, 12:05 AM at least you didnt get knocked out cold and im glad you dont have any injuries
Scottie2Hottie 03-01-2006, 12:18 AM hey, win some lose some right? sounds like you just need to work on your ring strategy a little, doesnt sound like he was hurtin you, just doesnt sound like you could think of what you shouldve done when you were on the ropes.
from experience, i know it can be hard to remember even the basics when youre fighting, let alone things like "hm, im on the ropes, what should i do?"
soon itll be like second nature to you. im workin on gettin there myself. glad to see your hurt hand wasnt a factor.
Two Fisted Piston 03-01-2006, 04:28 AM Yup u read correctly , i lost didnt just lose i got stoped in the first round!
Well If it makes ya feel any better,
I got stopped in the 3rd on Monday night
Theres was 30 seconds to go in the round and the prick stopped it!
LHWchamp5 03-01-2006, 07:46 AM Good Effort, guess that's where the meaning "protect yourself at all times" comes in?? Not "stand on the ropes and get pounded cause the ref will protect ya" lol i'm just rippin on ya.. Funny coach man funny coach.. I'm still laughin..
Two Fisted Piston 03-01-2006, 10:21 AM Yo Nazfan, its all experience
I lost my 2nd fight aswell...
I was 1-0 at the time and got beaten by a guy that was 2-4
Its all experience!
What dont kill you makes you stronger
RAESAAD 03-01-2006, 11:12 AM Sorry to hear that ma man but like you said and everyone else said it is a good learning experience and now you know you can't just wait like that.If the Ref was anything like the last one in the pitures you posted before he was doing a shitty job anyway.Keep ya head up and keep working hard we are all cheering for ya. :) :boxing:
Kid Achilles 03-01-2006, 12:06 PM Like Rockin' said, every loss is a learning experience. You need to work on fighting off the ropes and more importantly getting off the ropes when you've been cornered there, as it is obviously a newly discovered ***** in your armor. Sometimes losses are more productive than victories.
Two Fisted Piston 03-01-2006, 12:39 PM Why did it ***** out *****?
EXIGE 03-01-2006, 12:56 PM Aww damn! I was hoping you would run away with a 2-0...
By what you described im thinking the ref stopped the bout a bit too prematurely, however I totally understand his reasoning for doing it, since like Rockin' said he must have concluded that you were hurt since you just covered and didnt throw shots back... and since its amateurs I guess they show more concern over your wellbeing...
Get him on the rematch NazFan... when you get in there stay active and remember not to give out any "bad messages" to the ref. Always fight to the best of your ability and train hard... ;)
enadeus 03-01-2006, 01:03 PM Thats whats great about the amateurs, you learn from your mistakes and you improve as you go.
Kid Achilles 03-01-2006, 02:08 PM I typed c-h-i-n-k-s which can be a racial slur but not in the context I used it.
Manfredo Jr 03-01-2006, 02:21 PM thanks guys , ima still pised of with myself cos the more i think about it , it was soo stupid , i was out boxing him aswell and i just threw it away , in sparring i usually get of the ropes but as soon as u get in tht ring u forget everything. i aint gonna blame the ref cos for all he knew i could been on the verge of collapsing , or somthing , my trainer was really pised of with me and he says thts the worst ive ever done, ima not undeafeted now , but at least i know wht as loss is like now and will learn from my mistake , its hard to relax in there , espiecially infront of a bunch of scruffy young affenders lol . i know yall saying dont get yourself down , but i am really annoyed with myself at the moment cos i know tht just wasnt me in the ring i usualy get of the ropes no bother and am not a person for sitting on the ropes , but ohh well to late now lol
Kid Achilles 03-01-2006, 02:30 PM Better to lose your second fight to something stupid you can chalk up to inexperience and then easily work on than go undefeated for fifty fights and receive a crushing lose that destroys your confidence. It's much better to lose early on so you know what it's like at the begining of your career.
Jack Dempsey, Carlos Monzon, Henry Armstrong. These guys were pros and you're an amateur but the point is they all lost early on in their careers and still went on to be all time greats. Armstrong lost his very first fight via knockout and went on to become one of the greatest P4P fighters of all time.
Manfredo Jr 03-01-2006, 05:17 PM Better to lose your second fight to something stupid you can chalk up to inexperience and then easily work on than go undefeated for fifty fights and receive a crushing lose that destroys your confidence. It's much better to lose early on so you know what it's like at the begining of your career.
Jack Dempsey, Carlos Monzon, Henry Armstrong. These guys were pros and you're an amateur but the point is they all lost early on in their careers and still went on to be all time greats. Armstrong lost his very first fight via knockout and went on to become one of the greatest P4P fighters of all time.
yeah man , a great amature from our area lost his first 7 fights and then went on toe be one of the greatest amatures scotlands ever had , he then turned pro.
Manfredo Jr 03-01-2006, 05:21 PM yeah man , a great amature from our area lost his first 7 fights and then went on toe be one of the greatest amatures scotlands ever had , he then turned pro.
theres a saying "even the best go down , but wht makes them the best is they can comeback and win" means quite alot when u think about it
supaduck 03-01-2006, 05:49 PM Well Nazfan, you weren't hurt and thats the main thing. I lost my 2nd fight as well, on points (18-15), but do I let it get me down? Hell no, it's only amateurs! Your not even beginning to enter your potential yet, so it's not like your whole career in boxing is scarred or anything. Hell no.
Manfredo Jr 03-01-2006, 06:07 PM Well Nazfan, you weren't hurt and thats the main thing. I lost my 2nd fight as well, on points (18-15), but do I let it get me down? Hell no, it's only amateurs! Your not even beginning to enter your potential yet, so it's not like your whole career in boxing is scarred or anything. Hell no.
yeah , its just good to win but i cant do anthing about it now so ill put it behind me :D
EXIGE 03-01-2006, 06:14 PM Better to lose your second fight to something stupid you can chalk up to inexperience and then easily work on than go undefeated for fifty fights and receive a crushing lose that destroys your confidence. It's much better to lose early on so you know what it's like at the begining of your career.
Jack Dempsey, Carlos Monzon, Henry Armstrong. These guys were pros and you're an amateur but the point is they all lost early on in their careers and still went on to be all time greats. Armstrong lost his very first fight via knockout and went on to become one of the greatest P4P fighters of all time.
Hey bro, I dont know your opinion on Bernard Hopkins but he also lost his first fight and has a lot of support. Just thought I would chuck that in to your post, that was good. :)
chris_cov 03-01-2006, 06:25 PM all u gota do man is just work on your ring strategy and keep training hard. it aint easy fighting off the ropes when u get urself into that position neither so just learn from ur mistakes and u will improve as a fighter. and mayb u shouldnt be too overconfident cuz that can make u do some silly shit in the ring. gud luck in training and for ur next fight.peace.
Two Fisted Piston 03-02-2006, 04:31 AM ^^^Lmoa
I thought he was Nazfan, coz I just looked at his avy and I was like he givin himself advice,What?
LOL
Kid Achilles 03-02-2006, 12:45 PM Hopkins is another very good example.
paul750 03-02-2006, 01:16 PM I've noticed that quite a few good succesful boxers have lost their first fight.
Manfredo Jr 03-02-2006, 01:47 PM ^^^Lmoa
I thought he was Nazfan, coz I just looked at his avy and I was like he givin himself advice,What?
LOL
i though he was me i was lyk ohhh shit someones got my password LOL
lilbear70 03-04-2006, 04:42 PM :boxing: if i'm not mistakened.the legendary alexis arguello lost a fight early in his pro carear to a 3-6 fighter!
i know also that,former wba heavyweight champ mike weaver started off quite badly.he lost his first two pro bouts and was like 17-9 before he started becomming a very capable fighter.
there's plenty more obviously that i cant think of off hand.
chris_cov 03-07-2006, 06:50 AM i though he was me i was lyk ohhh shit someones got my password LOL
lol iv been in discussions b4 and thought u was me.
eazy_mas 03-07-2006, 09:28 AM I've noticed that quite a few good succesful boxers have lost their first fight.
There are many like Castillo,Corrales and most notably comeback from a loss is Manny Pacquie.
It better to loss and learn something than winning and not learning something. If you didnt learn something in boxing you will learn something in life and thats is better than boxing.
Manfredo Jr 03-07-2006, 06:09 PM lol iv been in discussions b4 and thought u was me.
cool , naz rules huh :)
chris_cov 03-15-2006, 06:37 AM cool , naz rules huh :)
just waiting for him to return and kick some ass.
Manfredo Jr 03-15-2006, 02:33 PM just waiting for him to return and kick some ass.
yeah , hopefully :cool:
moy22487 03-15-2006, 07:54 PM yeah , hopefully :cool:
maybe if he was still in his prime he would be up there. he might be way past his prime to give the top guys a challenge
chris_cov 03-16-2006, 08:34 AM yeh i agree hes been out for a long time and hes not gettin any younger but at the same time you should never under estimate him. its gona take a lot of hard training and dedication but i think he can mix it with the top boys again.
chris_cov 03-16-2006, 08:35 AM also with this long lay off hes had when he gets in to the ring he might feel very fresh like some fighters do after lengthy spells out of the ring.
Anorak! 03-16-2006, 10:36 AM Sorry to hear that man. Amateur boxing total bullshit. They never give the man who is behind or gets knocked down a chance to get back into the fight. If you are stunned by a punch, they stop the fight. It's really gay. Plus, the referrees are my age. And the scoring is totally fixed in my opinion. In NJ, they don't even read the scorecards, they just announce the winner. One of my stablemates was robbed and my trainer demanded to see the scorecards. They wouldn't let him.
SnoopySmurf 03-16-2006, 11:16 AM thanks guys , ima still pised of with myself cos the more i think about it , it was soo stupid , i was out boxing him aswell and i just threw it away , in sparring i usually get of the ropes but as soon as u get in tht ring u forget everything. i aint gonna blame the ref cos for all he knew i could been on the verge of collapsing , or somthing , my trainer was really pised of with me and he says thts the worst ive ever done, ima not undeafeted now , but at least i know wht as loss is like now and will learn from my mistake , its hard to relax in there , espiecially infront of a bunch of scruffy young affenders lol . i know yall saying dont get yourself down , but i am really annoyed with myself at the moment cos i know tht just wasnt me in the ring i usualy get of the ropes no bother and am not a person for sitting on the ropes , but ohh well to late now lol
Nazfan,
Learn to clinch and hold should you get into the ropes. Watch some of James Toney's, Holyfield's, and even Joh Ruiz's fights. It's a tactial maneuver if you're not too good at fighting off the ropes.
Morley 03-16-2006, 03:23 PM Amateur boxing records dont mean anything. I had a bad start to my career and now i am one of the better skilled boxers. Its just experiance. Now when you turn pro thats when records matter. Keep punching and get alot of fights quickly. I have had 51 matches in 3 years and im still going. GOOD LUCK
Manfredo Jr 03-16-2006, 04:59 PM Nazfan,
Learn to clinch and hold should you get into the ropes. Watch some of James Toney's, Holyfield's, and even Joh Ruiz's fights. It's a tactial maneuver if you're not too good at fighting off the ropes.
yeah my trainer told me tht , it never went trew my mind once , you get your arms under there arms huh and lift and they cant do shit , the ref will tell u to break and giv u a ticking of but it gets u of the ropes :D
Manfredo Jr 03-16-2006, 05:06 PM Amateur boxing records dont mean anything. I had a bad start to my career and now i am one of the better skilled boxers. Its just experiance. Now when you turn pro thats when records matter. Keep punching and get alot of fights quickly. I have had 51 matches in 3 years and im still going. GOOD LUCK
thanks man , im just back in from boxing , i think i could be fighting on the 31st :D
eazy_mas 03-17-2006, 10:27 AM " A true champion is the one who stand up even if he cant"
- Jack Dempsy
sk1927 03-17-2006, 04:21 PM Unlucky son but Joe Calzaghe lost his first amateur fight and look at him now.
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