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dodge
01-23-2005, 12:00 PM
costofwar.com/ (http://)

dodge
01-23-2005, 12:02 PM
http://costofwar.com/index-world-hunger.html

SonnyG8R
01-23-2005, 08:58 PM
War! Huh – Good God y’all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again

LuKahnLi
01-24-2005, 08:10 AM
Whats wrong? Don't you guys care that the Iraqi people don't have freedom? Saddam Hussein was a threat to freedom for freedom loving people. Terrorists hate us for our freedom so we must defend our freedom. Freedom is Freedom Freedom Freedom Freedom Freedom. Freedom freedom freedom freedom......

Woah. Been listening to the President too much.

Raekwon
01-24-2005, 08:16 AM
george bush is a threat too... this guy is the biggest ****ing moron the world has ever seen, ok saddam was an evil man, but bush is just stupid, ok he is tryin 2 give them freedom in iraq but he aint doin a good job of it, and now he wants to take on iran, north korea and cuba as well, americans have killed more innocent people in wars then terrorists have in their actions, and why do we get terrorists? because of the things that the americans etc do, i know its not justified but you have to see it from both sides, either way war is not gonna make the world a better place, its a power thing

tino
01-24-2005, 10:58 AM
i deeply disagree with the iraki war, well in fact it s obviously a move to guarantee USA oil indepandancy from saudi arabia , who rank among the worst people on earth for sure.

you cant spread freedom , we westerners think the whole world wants to live like us , what would we say if muslims went to occupy our countries and told us to live like them cause this is the right way to live ?

BUT , i think a military move in IRAN is a GOOD THING.
those people are creating nuclear weapons and some of them , and they rule the country , are dangerous obscurantists and extremists , we cant allow them to have such power.

just my opinion

Soundtraveler
01-24-2005, 12:21 PM
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SonnyG8R
01-24-2005, 12:29 PM
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Wow that's awesome. That's the kind of out of the box thinking we need to put an end to terrorist attacks. general pershing was a true genius, militarily and otherwise. He is one of my favorite generals along with Patton.

I believe General Norman Schwarzkopf is that kind of man as well. Too bad Bush Senior wouldn't listen to him or we probably wouldn't be in this situation now.

Atwa_66
01-24-2005, 12:37 PM
george bush is a threat too... this guy is the biggest ****ing moron the world has ever seen, ok saddam was an evil man, but bush is just stupid, ok he is tryin 2 give them freedom in iraq but he aint doin a good job of it, and now he wants to take on iran, north korea and cuba as well, americans have killed more innocent people in wars then terrorists have in their actions, and why do we get terrorists? because of the things that the americans etc do, i know its not justified but you have to see it from both sides, either way war is not gonna make the world a better place, its a power thing
Take on Cuba as well?
As if we would have a hard time with them?
They are 6 hours away from florida
We could blow their island apart if we wanted
North Korea I think is all talk, but could get ugly
I don't think anymore can be accomplished in Iraq
Other than the death of more innnocent people
Bush should just pull our soldiers out of their
They are getting killed, and nothing is being solved
I agree with Bush, Saddam was a serious threat
And he belongs behind bars and not ruling a country
You cannot even compare Bush with Saddam

The1God
01-24-2005, 01:25 PM
I am more worried about the economy in the USA. If we go after these other counties, the cost of war is one thing, but then we have to pay to put it back together. Remember, The USA is still paying Japan for a couple of bombs the USA dropped off...... And Japan started the war with the USA! Bush is going to drive the country into such a debt.

As far as saying the Iraq war is just for oil, we were doing fine with oil before that, it was much cheaper too!

SonnyG8R
01-24-2005, 01:33 PM
Yeah, bringing freedom (read: Domacracy) to the world sounds like a nice idea but it's so far removed from reality that it isn't even funny.

I do think Cuba will be ripe for revolt once Castro dies. Havana used to be one of the party capitals of the world.

I could see them welcoming democracy within the next 50 years and possibly becoming a US possession like PR.

LuKahnLi
01-24-2005, 02:08 PM
How can we spread democracy when we don't even have one ourselves?

"Maybe the people who keep half their population in bee keeper suits aren't ready to live in a democracy." - Bill Maher.

LuKahnLi
01-24-2005, 02:09 PM
Wow that's awesome. That's the kind of out of the box thinking we need to put an end to terrorist attacks. general pershing was a true genius, militarily and otherwise. He is one of my favorite generals along with Patton.

I believe General Norman Schwarzkopf is that kind of man as well. Too bad Bush Senior wouldn't listen to him or we probably wouldn't be in this situation now.

They DID that in the Phillipines recently as well.

rsl
01-24-2005, 02:24 PM
i deeply disagree with the iraki war, well in fact it s obviously a move to guarantee USA oil indepandancy from saudi arabia , who rank among the worst people on earth for sure.

you cant spread freedom , we westerners think the whole world wants to live like us , what would we say if muslims went to occupy our countries and told us to live like them cause this is the right way to live ?

BUT , i think a military move in IRAN is a GOOD THING.
those people are creating nuclear weapons and some of them , and they rule the country , are dangerous obscurantists and extremists , we cant allow them to have such power.

just my opinion" We westerners think the whole world wants to live like us " Uh maybe not all of 'em but most of 'em, do you see any other developed country besides the U.S. who have people demanding that they get into their country. Ask anybody who has traveled the world or was a new immigrant before, which embassy is the busiest?

LuKahnLi
01-24-2005, 02:28 PM
" We westerners think the whole world wants to live like us " Uh maybe not all of 'em but most of 'em, do you see any other developed country besides the U.S. who have people demanding that they get into their country. Ask anybody who has traveled the world or was a new immigrant before, which embassy is the busiest?

Cuz americans no longer feel like doing the cheap labor that we employ immigrants to do. Oh, and immigrants get hired because we don't have to pay them as much.

THAT is why people try to get over here. They are so desperately in need that they will work for very little. Which is why they are hired.

Don't kid yourself.

SonnyG8R
01-24-2005, 02:43 PM
They also want the opportunity that the US has to offer . You have a very cynical outlook. I agree with you a lot of the time but they opportunity to advance through hard work and ingenuity does not exist the world over. The US does offer that whether you believe it or not.

dodge
01-24-2005, 08:52 PM
Democracy is a really touchy subject. Do we have democracy ourselves, is a good question to ponder.

SonnyG8R
01-24-2005, 09:04 PM
Democracy is a really touchy subject. Do we have democracy ourselves, is a good question to ponder.

Yes we do. It's just not pure democracy. I don't think the world has seen that since the ancient Greeks. But I think that is a good thing. 1 man 1 vote and majority rules sounds nice but the minority will suffer. There has to be checks and balances to protect the rights of the minority. I feel certain that if it were left up to a strict vote, this nation would still have slavery. That's not the kind of place I want to live in.

neils7147933
01-24-2005, 09:07 PM
Yes we do. It's just not pure democracy. I don't think the world has seen that since the ancient Greeks. But I think that is a good thing. 1 man 1 vote and majority rules sounds nice but the minority will suffer. There has to be checks and balances to protect the rights of the minority. I feel certain that if it were left up to a strict vote, this nation would still have slavery. That's not the kind of place I want to live in.

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=opensource_movies&collectionid=AmericanDictators

Raekwon
01-25-2005, 07:43 AM
Take on Cuba as well?
As if we would have a hard time with them?
They are 6 hours away from florida
We could blow their island apart if we wanted
North Korea I think is all talk, but could get ugly
I don't think anymore can be accomplished in Iraq
Other than the death of more innnocent people
Bush should just pull our soldiers out of their
They are getting killed, and nothing is being solved
I agree with Bush, Saddam was a serious threat
And he belongs behind bars and not ruling a country
You cannot even compare Bush with Saddam
i wasnt comparing bush to saddam in anyway, but look at bushes actions and all the innocent people dieing, the armies that are sent out there to give their lives for bush's ego? and to finish off what his dad couldnt sort out? oil? power? who knows what his real reasons are... he is forcing innocent people to die..

thats what everyone said about iraq, and now look at it. why blow up cuba and kill all the innocent civi's? isnt that an act of terrorism? i think that north korea and iran are more needed to be sorted out about the nuke status, but the north koreans are crazy and a war with them would be the last thing bush needed especially seen as he cant even keep iraq safe, north korea is a more developed country than iraq is and the people are all loyal to their leader, north korea is not a country that you want to be trying to attack. the problem with america is they want to go in all guns blazing not going thru the UN, then the stupid british prime minister follows in like a fool.

im not anti war but im not pro war either, i think the decision 2 get rid of saddam was good, but is iraq really in a better state now? how long is it going to take them to recover... war isnt always the answer and do you really need to kill for peace?

LuKahnLi
01-25-2005, 08:55 AM
They also want the opportunity that the US has to offer . You have a very cynical outlook. I agree with you a lot of the time but they opportunity to advance through hard work and ingenuity does not exist the world over. The US does offer that whether you believe it or not.

Thats not true anymore. You can get a patent for just about anything. Forget about actually making it and reaping the benefits though. If your innovation or your invention is a threat to a larger business....count on being crushed. We don't even really live in a capitalist society.

In a true capitalist economy, the businesses are not supposed to be able to manipulate the economy or the government to the extent that they do. It is not a level playing field.

SonnyG8R
01-25-2005, 08:58 AM
I think that dropping the atomic bombs on Japan was absolutely the right thing to do and only an uninformed fool would say otherwise. Unfortunetly the genie is out of the bottle as far as nukes go and nuclear proliferation will continue until some crazy bastard uses it, and then all hell will break loose. I don't want to sound like a doomsday predictor, but I would be stunned if a catastrophic WWIII did not occurr in my life time, say within the next 50 years and possibly sooner.

thekid
01-25-2005, 09:01 AM
True but it's too late now...

LuKahnLi
01-25-2005, 09:03 AM
I think that dropping the atomic bombs on Japan was absolutely the right thing to do and only an uninformed fool would say otherwise. Unfortunetly the genie is out of the bottle as far as nukes go and nuclear proliferation will continue until some crazy bastard uses it, and then all hell will break loose. I don't want to sound like a doomsday predictor, but I would be stunned if a catastrophic WWIII did not occurr in my life time, say within the next 50 years and possibly sooner.

It was either kill half a million of THEM, or lose 1,000,000 american soldiers in the invasion, which probably would have killed 1.5 million of THEM. War is hell.

SonnyG8R
01-25-2005, 10:52 AM
Bush Wants $80B More for Iraq, Afghan Wars


By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Congressional Budget Office is predicting the government will accumulate another $855 billion in deficits over the next decade, excluding the costs of President Bush's Social Security plan and ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The report, described by a congressional aide who spoke on condition of anonymity, was being released Tuesday, the same day administration officials were expected to describe President Bush's request for fresh $80 billion request to pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan this year. :eek:

dodge
01-25-2005, 01:40 PM
Bush Wants $80B More for Iraq, Afghan Wars


By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Congressional Budget Office is predicting the government will accumulate another $855 billion in deficits over the next decade, excluding the costs of President Bush's Social Security plan and ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The report, described by a congressional aide who spoke on condition of anonymity, was being released Tuesday, the same day administration officials were expected to describe President Bush's request for fresh $80 billion request to pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan this year. :eek:
That's just insane. :eek:

dodge
01-25-2005, 01:52 PM
We have had 50 years to try and bring Democracy to Iraq. Then we drop bombs and all the violence like that's supposed to bring democracy? That's supposed to win the people over? We got Saddam and that's a good thing and I hope the elections work out. Our troops need armor. Thanx for the article Sonny.

LuKahnLi
01-25-2005, 03:07 PM
dodge

We are going to give everyone in the world democracy and freedom even if it kills them, whether they like it or not.

This is the president's attitude. An alarming number of Americans share this sentiment.

scap
01-25-2005, 08:15 PM
i deeply disagree with the iraki war, well in fact it s obviously a move to guarantee USA oil indepandancy from saudi arabia , who rank among the worst people on earth for sure.

you cant spread freedom , we westerners think the whole world wants to live like us , what would we say if muslims went to occupy our countries and told us to live like them cause this is the right way to live ?

BUT , i think a military move in IRAN is a GOOD THING.
those people are creating nuclear weapons and some of them , and they rule the country , are dangerous obscurantists and extremists , we cant allow them to have such power.

just my opinion

Your right Iran is the threat, and they were the threat long before we went into Iraq...however it is impossible to move resources over there when we already have gotten Iraq pregnant...

Ya know Saddam was a bad guy but maybe he should be praised for a tiny second...he had nmo nukes or anything resembling the making of them, no chemicals...the guy had a few gold plated pistols...he basically was a good boy since the gulf war...

Way to go Saddam, maybe its not your fault you did not want to tell the rest of the middle east that you had ****....maybe you should have private messaged Bush and told him you were just bluffing the rest of the world so they dont pick on Iraq.