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BrooklynBomber 01-23-2005, 11:54 AM After what I saw yesterday I felt like I should make this thread. This fight might happen this Autumn and if it happens who wins.I would like posts with good analysis and details not one line crap. personally I pick Tszyu because of his ability to cut the ring, his power, hand speed, experience, ability to fight tough, and his working ethics. Floyd is also dammnnn goood but i think that Kostya's ability to get Floyd in the corner and crack him will ultimately favot him in the fight.
After what I saw yesterday I felt like I should make this thread. This fight might happen this Autumn and if it happens who wins.I would like posts with good analysis and details not one line crap. personally I pick Tszyu because of his ability to cut the ring, his power, hand speed, experience, ability to fight tough, and his working ethics. Floyd is also dammnnn goood but i think that Kostya's ability to get Floyd in the corner and crack him will ultimately favot him in the fight.
Ive already let my feelings be known a 100 times and right now I dont feel like doing a bunch of writing. I pick Floyd by complete one sided domination. Kind of like the Judah first round. Zoo is too slow and Floyd would pick him apart. He did that **** against Zab and Mitchell because they dont have a good D and the have weak chins. They are also lefties and Zoo always does better against lefties. He didnt hurt Tackie, Urkal, and Leija was looking good against him. He wont KO Floyd and he will be peppered to death. Floyd also would suprise alot of you by sitting down and trading with Zoo and winning the exchanges because he can netuarlize Zoo's slow punches and counter all day
Truth 01-23-2005, 12:08 PM Ive already let my feelings be known a 100 times and right now I dont feel like doing a bunch of writing. I pick Floyd by complete one sided domination. Kind of like the Judah first round. Zoo is too slow and Floyd would pick him apart. He did that **** against Zab and Mitchell because they dont have a good D and the have weak chins. They are also lefties and Zoo always does better against lefties. He didnt hurt Tackie, Urkal, and Leija was looking good against him. He wont KO Floyd and he will be peppered to death. Floyd also would suprise alot of you by sitting down and trading with Zoo and winning the exchanges because he can netuarlize Zoo's slow punches and counter all day
Exactly right, Mayweather has unreal defense and quickness. :cool:
BrooklynBomber 01-23-2005, 12:08 PM Ive already let my feelings be known a 100 times and right now I dont feel like doing a bunch of writing. I pick Floyd by complete one sided domination. Kind of like the Judah first round. Zoo is too slow and Floyd would pick him apart. He did that **** against Zab and Mitchell because they dont have a good D and the have weak chins. They are also lefties and Zoo always does better against lefties. He didnt hurt Tackie, Urkal, and Leija was looking good against him. He wont KO Floyd and he will be peppered to death. Floyd also would suprise alot of you by sitting down and trading with Zoo and winning the exchanges because he can netuarlize Zoo's slow punches and counter all day
Well he definately was not too slow for Zab and Mitchell. Kostya got slow punches? WTF?
He got one of the fastest hands in business right now. Watch second KD in Mitchell fight. the right hand was from the other side of the ring and yet Mitchell, who is supposed to be fast, did not see it. DLT, you are one of my favorie opponents but this time you really undermine my confidence in you.
IwatchBoxing 01-23-2005, 12:09 PM Gatti lasted 5 rounds with Oscar, he can KO Mayweather.
Truth 01-23-2005, 12:11 PM But as you saw last night Mayweather very hard to hit, Floyd would extra ready for this fight. How would Tyzsu get to him, if he cornered Floyd he would just roll his shoulder dodge the punch and come out the side with a counter.
BrooklynBomber 01-23-2005, 12:12 PM Gatti lasted 5 rounds with Oscar, he can KO Mayweather.
We aint talkin about Gatti. This is material for a different thread. I believe PBF will beat him but Gatti will be a live underdog with a chance of upset
Well he definately was not too slow for Zab and Mitchell. Kostya got slow punches? WTF?
He got one of the fastest hands in business right now. Watch second KD in Mitchell fight. the right hand was from the other side of the ring and yet Mitchell, who is supposed to be fast, did not see it. DLT, you are one of my favorie opponents but this time you really undermine my confidence in you.
No doubt that Zoo has one of the quickest RELEASES in boxing but as a overall fighter he is slow and mechanical. When he releases the right hand it shoots out like a gun but Floyd's overall speed will neturalize that. I just told you about Mitchell and Judah. They are both lefties with bad defenses and weak chins. Floyd can make Zoo look the same way Zab did in the first but for the whole fight. And another thing is people keep talking about the Mitchell fight but they forget about the first one when he was actually doing well against Zoo
Gatti lasted 5 rounds with Oscar, he can KO Mayweather.
Come on man, you know I like to battle with you but your startin to take this Mayweather hatin too far. You know Gatti cant KO him
Well he definately was not too slow for Zab and Mitchell. Kostya got slow punches? WTF?
He got one of the fastest hands in business right now. Watch second KD in Mitchell fight. the right hand was from the other side of the ring and yet Mitchell, who is supposed to be fast, did not see it. DLT, you are one of my favorie opponents but this time you really undermine my confidence in you.
Hey where you from anyway? Brooklyn? Floyd should be your man then. You know he's a Brooklyn kind of cat ;)
IwatchBoxing 01-23-2005, 12:18 PM Come on man, you know I like to battle with you but your startin to take this Mayweather hatin too far. You know Gatti cant KO himI like Mayweather, but Gatti, and Kostya are similar. If he cant beat Gatti, he cant beat Kostya Zoo.
BrooklynBomber 01-23-2005, 12:20 PM But as you saw last night Mayweather very hard to hit, Floyd would extra ready for this fight. How would Tyzsu get to him, if he cornered Floyd he would just roll his shoulder dodge the punch and come out the side with a counter.
I use the shoulder roll Technique myself when sparr against bigger and stronger fighters, it is a good technique, really but it has one flow. It lets you cover up from hooks and uppercuts but it is definately not as good against crosses. you either get hit in a head or in a shoulder. and after you get hit like ten times on a same spot in a shoulder it is gonna hurt big time. So I think Kostya will exploit this weaknes intentionally hitting him on a back of a shoulder,in hopes of injuring him, and add left hook when floyd will open up
BrooklynBomber 01-23-2005, 12:26 PM Hey where you from anyway? Brooklyn? Floyd should be your man then. You know he's a Brooklyn kind of cat ;)
No doubt, Floyd is my type of a person. He has this ****y " I dont give a **** attitude" which I love, but i grew up on Tszyu's fights and he is my boxing fav. Also my style is similar to Kostya's. Used to be great counter puncher(for amatures) but injured my shoulder when shoulder rolling and had to reinvent myself as a boxer.
The Golden Boy 01-24-2005, 02:37 AM Floyd would get KTFO if he gets in the ring with Zoo. That shoulder rolling bull**** ain't gonna work against Zoo's ruler straight right hands.
SweetScience 01-24-2005, 05:47 AM They fight this year, Tszyu by decision maybe KO.
Floyd will fight Tszyu VERY careful. I can see Floyd winning the early rounds, with movement and potshoting Tszyu. Then after that I see Tszyu starting to figure out Mayweather by landing shots. Tszyu would cut of the ring, and trap Mayweather in the corners landing at will..yes I said that. Mayweather will NOT be rolling shots, slipping yes by not rolling. People seem to forget Tszyu is a MONSTER puncher, Mayweathers arms and shoulders will be dead tire in the late rounds. Any thing lands on Mayweather will hurt. Oh yeah, when did Mayweather out of a sudden have a great chin? How do you know that? I've never seen him get hit with a good hard shot. So threw that out the window. On the other hand, Tszyu will walk threw Mayweathers punches.
One other thing Tszyu is very strong and physical, rough house tactics is Tszyu's specialty. See Tszyu's two fights with Mitchell? See how Tszyu manhandles Mitchell and throws rabbit punches? See how Mitchell is tiring? May I add Mitchell is stronger then Mayweather. Floyd will need a good REF to help him.
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The Golden Boy 01-24-2005, 06:09 AM The only ref that could help stop Floyd getting KTFO by Zoo is one that is going to hold Zoo down while Floyd punches him.
Kornhusker 01-24-2005, 08:48 AM As much as I would love to see Tszyu beat Mayweather, I just don't see it happening. Tszyu is my favorite fighter so it pains me to say that, but Floyd is just too fast for him or anyone right now. As long as Mayweather shows up in shape he cant be beat in my opinion. :mad:
Mikeystlasvegas22 01-24-2005, 09:01 AM Tyzsu WILL KILL FLOYD IN 4 ROUNDS
Mikeystlasvegas22 01-24-2005, 09:16 AM Remember The Fight Zab Vs Kostya That Knock Out Would Be The Same For Floyd Kostya Will Destroy Fmj
rapidrio 01-24-2005, 12:38 PM After what I saw yesterday I felt like I should make this thread. This fight might happen this Autumn and if it happens who wins.I would like posts with good analysis and details not one line crap. personally I pick Tszyu because of his ability to cut the ring, his power, hand speed, experience, ability to fight tough, and his working ethics. Floyd is also dammnnn goood but i think that Kostya's ability to get Floyd in the corner and crack him will ultimately favot him in the fight.
I have to agree with the Bomber...Tszyu will catch and finish PBF!
jayschre 01-24-2005, 01:09 PM But as you saw last night Mayweather very hard to hit, Floyd would extra ready for this fight. How would Tyzsu get to him, if he cornered Floyd he would just roll his shoulder dodge the punch and come out the side with a counter.
That wouldn't be as easy as you make it sound against Tszyu remember this Brusseles cat was still fighting 6-8 rd fights a little over a year ago. Kostya's experience and accurate punches are what would win this fight for him. Honestly I think the fight would start alot like the Zab fight started with Floyd winning the first rd. pretty big, but then when Tszyu finds the range in rd. 3 or 4 he would drop Floyd with a right cross followed by a left hook. Floyd would get up and from that point on it would be 8 rds of running away for pbf. So imo Tszyu wins bit either UD in a foot chase or by mid to late rd. Tko!
Neuraxis 01-24-2005, 02:07 PM Since when does Bruseles have Tszyu KO power? KO%s of 61% vs. 81%. Tszyu KO 2.
duncangerman 01-24-2005, 02:33 PM This fight wont even Happen, Kosta will retire after Hatton beats him in June
Floydmayweather 01-24-2005, 03:17 PM Floyd by UD Zoo will have to knock PBF out and i dont think it will happen.
BrooklynBomber 01-24-2005, 05:52 PM This fight will have to happen. It is the manifest destiny of boxing. Everybody besides brits understand that hatton is Tszyu's bruseles. The night Hatton fights kostya its is gonna be even worse domination that vitaly-williams.
wordsmith 01-24-2005, 06:15 PM [I]This is becoming a very disturbing topic for me. Pbf is a very good fighter but he has to fight world class opponents to recieve this type of praise. He moves up to 140 pound division and so many people want to place him as the best in the division when he hasn't even fought the best in the division. He needs to atleast face Gatti or Harris or Kosta hell even Cotto instead of pounding on these bums and recieving all of this high praise.
Floydmayweather 01-24-2005, 06:17 PM He just moved to 140 and he started it off by putting a whipping on Chop Chop. Gatti is next.
duncangerman 01-24-2005, 07:01 PM MMMM BrooklynBomber me thinks you have not seen Hatton fight yet. Kosta is a great fighter, however he is at the end of his career, has only been in 9 competative rounds in the last 30 odd months. Bearing in mind Hatton will be in front of 20,000 screaming fans, and has finally managed to secure the fight he was after I think you will find a late stoppage by Hatton is on the cards. PBF has a silky defence and some good counters, but no power which is needed to finish a fight against a top 5 140 pounder.
MetalVomit 01-24-2005, 07:04 PM Ive already let my feelings be known a 100 times and right now I dont feel like doing a bunch of writing. I pick Floyd by complete one sided domination. Kind of like the Judah first round. Zoo is too slow and Floyd would pick him apart. He did that **** against Zab and Mitchell because they dont have a good D and the have weak chins. They are also lefties and Zoo always does better against lefties. He didnt hurt Tackie, Urkal, and Leija was looking good against him. He wont KO Floyd and he will be peppered to death. Floyd also would suprise alot of you by sitting down and trading with Zoo and winning the exchanges because he can netuarlize Zoo's slow punches and counter all day
You may be right, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but no way in hell does Zoo punch slow.
MetalVomit 01-24-2005, 07:05 PM This fight wont even Happen, Kosta will retire after Hatton beats him in June
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duncangerman 01-24-2005, 07:16 PM I hope you are still laughing after June - my opinion is my opinion, I do not disrespect other fighters (unlike a lot of people on this forum), I just say it as I see it. We shall see wont we who has the smile later this year :)
MetalVomit 01-24-2005, 07:35 PM I hope you are still laughing after June - my opinion is my opinion, I do not disrespect other fighters (unlike a lot of people on this forum), I just say it as I see it. We shall see wont we who has the smile later this year :)
I'm not disrespecting Hatton at all. But his legion of fans are in for a rude awakening. Tszyu by TKO in 5
duncangerman 01-24-2005, 07:45 PM Fair enough, lets just hope its a great fight, personally I think it is going to be a great little match-up
davico 01-24-2005, 07:45 PM I hope you are still laughing after June - my opinion is my opinion, I do not disrespect other fighters (unlike a lot of people on this forum), I just say it as I see it. We shall see wont we who has the smile later this year :)
How come whenever someone starts a thread that involves KT some pom has got to turn it into a thread about Hatton.
The thread is a What if? KT v PBF. If you have an opinion about the outcome if they ever fought then post it. Otherwise pissoff.
I believe that KT would probably lose the first couple of rounds to PBF until he worked out his style. KT has great patience and I think this would then help him cut the ring off and work on PBF's body in the corners for a few rounds, before knocking him out in about the 10th or 11th with either the straight right or the left hook. After wearing a bit of punishment to the body i think PBF might lose a bit of concentration and then goodnight.
This is if PBF dose not try to prove himself and stand there and trade with KT. If he does that it would be over early.
duncangerman 01-24-2005, 08:02 PM How come whenever someone starts a thread that involves KT some pom has got to turn it into a thread about Hatton.
The thread is a What if? KT v PBF. If you have an opinion about the outcome if they ever fought then post it. Otherwise pissoff.
I believe that KT would probably lose the first couple of rounds to PBF until he worked out his style. KT has great patience and I think this would then help him cut the ring off and work on PBF's body in the corners for a few rounds, before knocking him out in about the 10th or 11th with either the straight right or the left hook. After wearing a bit of punishment to the body i think PBF might lose a bit of concentration and then goodnight.
This is if PBF dose not try to prove himself and stand there and trade with KT. If he does that it would be over early.
How eloquant, my view then PBF may have a chance against Costa who is probably past it.
BrooklynBomber 01-24-2005, 08:16 PM MMMM BrooklynBomber me thinks you have not seen Hatton fight yet. Kosta is a great fighter, however he is at the end of his career, has only been in 9 competative rounds in the last 30 odd months. Bearing in mind Hatton will be in front of 20,000 screaming fans, and has finally managed to secure the fight he was after I think you will find a late stoppage by Hatton is on the cards. PBF has a silky defence and some good counters, but no power which is needed to finish a fight against a top 5 140 pounder.
I just had to disrespect your boy hatton a bit just to make it clear that this thread is not about Hatton vs. Tszyu its about Tszyu vs. PBF. I also asked to post a detailed opinion not one line trash like fighter A will **** up fighter B, which you did. And btw Kostya will beat hatton because everything hatton does Kostya can do 10 times better.
Peace "mate"
TSZYU CREW
Sister Sledge 01-24-2005, 08:36 PM Gatti lasted 5 rounds with Oscar, he can KO Mayweather.
Man, you make no sense! What kind of logic is that?
Floydmayweather 01-24-2005, 10:14 PM That is the dumbest logic ever.
chito 01-24-2005, 11:27 PM who had beaten kosta? did vernon forrest knock him out? i am not so sure of this because i don't quite remember about all these fights, one thing im pretty sure of i've seen him get knocked out, i am just not sure who's the boxer that got him. i favor mayweather to win this because of his speed and nice counter-punching and im not counting out the possibility that he might knockout kosta. kosta is an slugger and he likes to press on his opponents and lands some punches to ko them but mayweather's ability to counterpunch and staying away from kosta's punches will make the difference here. well, that's just my opinion and don't disregard my comments here because i've seen both of these fighters. one thing i definitely know is, this will be some kind of a match that we don't wanna miss.
davico 01-24-2005, 11:45 PM who had beaten kosta? did vernon forrest knock him out? i am not so sure of this because i don't quite remember about all these fights, one thing im pretty sure of i've seen him get knocked out, i am just not sure who's the boxer that got him. i favor mayweather to win this because of his speed and nice counter-punching and im not counting out the possibility that he might knockout kosta. kosta is an slugger and he likes to press on his opponents and lands some punches to ko them but mayweather's ability to counterpunch and staying away from kosta's punches will make the difference here. well, that's just my opinion and don't disregard my comments here because i've seen both of these fighters. one thing i definitely know is, this will be some kind of a match that we don't wanna miss.
Vince Phillips knockout Kostya. Kostya beat Vernon Forrest in the Amateurs
Sister Sledge 01-24-2005, 11:47 PM who had beaten kosta? did vernon forrest knock him out? i am not so sure of this because i don't quite remember about all these fights, one thing im pretty sure of i've seen him get knocked out, i am just not sure who's the boxer that got him. i favor mayweather to win this because of his speed and nice counter-punching and im not counting out the possibility that he might knockout kosta. kosta is an slugger and he likes to press on his opponents and lands some punches to ko them but mayweather's ability to counterpunch and staying away from kosta's punches will make the difference here. well, that's just my opinion and don't disregard my comments here because i've seen both of these fighters. one thing i definitely know is, this will be some kind of a match that we don't wanna miss.
"Cool" Vince Phillips first gave him a beating, then knocked his as out in the 9th.
xrhythmxnxbluesx 01-24-2005, 11:55 PM if the fight does happen... i got pretty boy... iono think no one can go through his defense...
davico 01-24-2005, 11:59 PM "Cool" Vince Phillips first gave him a beating, then knocked his as out in the 9th.
I would not call it a beating. The fight was stopped in the 10th, with Phillips ahead on one card, KT ahead on another and the other card even at the time of stoppage
chito 01-25-2005, 06:08 AM Vince Phillips knockout Kostya. Kostya beat Vernon Forrest in the Amateurs
thanks for answering my query.
chito 01-25-2005, 06:14 AM I would not call it a beating. The fight was stopped in the 10th, with Phillips ahead on one card, KT ahead on another and the other card even at the time of stoppage
i would call it tko but had the referee not stopped the fight it would be a beating. what's the difference anyway? the point is kosta could be knockout. how is floyd mayweather's knockout rate? sorry for all these questions. just breaking all these factors to see who would gain the upper hand in this match-up.
pinaldino 01-25-2005, 07:15 AM i would call it tko but had the referee not stopped the fight it would be a beating. what's the difference anyway? the point is kosta could be knockout. how is floyd mayweather's knockout rate? sorry for all these questions. just breaking all these factors to see who would gain the upper hand in this match-up.
I think we have to consider the size and strength difference...KT can be KO'd that we know, but can floyd do it is another question.
KT can be hit cause he's got the terribly bad habit of dropping his hands after landing shots but I'm not sure floyd could hurt him. but I'm sure of the other way around
SonnyJ 01-25-2005, 11:27 AM Tszyu's loss to Phillips has no bearing on the fight with Mayweather. Tszyu faces stiff competition from a lot of 140 lbers, with Mayweather and Cotto especially.
Tszyu still dominates all though. He's too strong and too precise.
bigdlb12 01-25-2005, 11:35 AM if Tszyu can catch PBF with a right hand punch,I'd like to see how PBF will take that punch
enadeus 01-25-2005, 11:38 AM Phillips fight was just poor conditioning, and Kostya recognized this problem and worked to train to prevent this from happening in the future. I think that Kostya needs to fight either Mayweather or Gatti to really secure his position in boxing history. I think the Mayweather fight will be best because Mayweather is undefeated.
Floydmayweather 01-25-2005, 12:06 PM If Mayweather is more offense (throw combo back up) he can frustrate Zoo. If he trade or sits on the ropes he is gonna be in trouble but i think he is to smart.
chito 01-25-2005, 10:34 PM If Mayweather is more offense (throw combo back up) he can frustrate Zoo. If he trade or sits on the ropes he is gonna be in trouble but i think he is to smart.
yes i agree. that's what i think, too. being able to neutralize kosta's power you have to throw a lot of punches and being able to hurt him a little bit until he slows down. i still think mayweather can do it and win by decision.
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