A long reach may be thought of as an asset. But there is one drawback I can think of, and that is it would be harder to **** back to fire again for shooting in the inside.

Morales' long reach may be a problem for himself against Manny "PacMan the Destroyer" Pacquiao's relatively shorter reach. In the inside, a shorter reach is a good arsenal against a longer reach.

Morales can box from the outside and fire from the outside but that may pose another problem because of Pacquiao's bob and weave style.

But surely this would be an explosive fight to see. I will not miss it on March 19, 2005, at MGM Las Vegas. But if I won't be able to go there physically, I'll be watching it on Pay Per View.

A long reach may be thought of as an asset. But there is one drawback I can think of, and that is it would be harder to **** back to fire again for shooting in the inside.

Morales' long reach may be a problem for himself against Manny "PacMan the Destroyer" Pacquiao's relatively shorter reach. In the inside, a shorter reach is a good arsenal against a longer reach.

Morales can box from the outside and fire from the outside but that may pose another problem because of Pacquiao's bob and weave style.

But surely this would be an explosive fight to see. I will not miss it on March 19, 2005, at MGM Las Vegas. But if I won't be able to go there physically, I'll be watching it on Pay Per View.


I am new here and plan to bet on this fight for the fantasy betting. May I ask and I mean no offense, before I listen to any advice you have on these two fighters are you either Mexican or Filipino?

To your question if I'm Mexican or Filipino. I'm neither for my soul does not have nationality. Thanks for asking.

To your question if I'm Mexican or Filipino. I'm neither for my soul does not have nationality. Thanks for asking.



I did not mean to offend you because I am not a racist man. The truth is this fight is an international fight. Whenever you have two combatants face each other representing their countries, you will find people throwing all logic out the window in order to root for their countryman. Even if it is plain to see that their countryman is not skilled against the opponent. This happened with the Bruseles and Mayweather fight where some Puerto Rican fans threw their logic out the window and claimed their countryman who was obviously less skilled than Floyd, would win against Floyd. I just don't want to take advice from anyone who is being illogical, and I don't mean you, I'm talking about anyone.

No no no. You did not offend me at all. I'm actually a Caucasian from Scandanavia.

No no no. You did not offend me at all. I'm actually a Caucasian from Scandanavia.



Do you have a pick for the Pacquiao Vs. Morales fight?

Do you have a pick for the Pacquiao Vs. Morales fight?

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Pacquiao by 2nd KO, by second round Pac must have figured him out already. But you don't have to take my word on it for your betting. Do your homework, and watch Pacquiao's past fights if you have the tapes. I don't know if in Pacquiao's website they still show all of the fight videos, you may try.

A long reach may be thought of as an asset. But there is one drawback I can think of, and that is it would be harder to **** back to fire again for shooting in the inside.

Morales' long reach may be a problem for himself against Manny "PacMan the Destroyer" Pacquiao's relatively shorter reach. In the inside, a shorter reach is a good arsenal against a longer reach.

Morales can box from the outside and fire from the outside but that may pose another problem because of Pacquiao's bob and weave style.

But surely this would be an explosive fight to see. I will not miss it on March 19, 2005, at MGM Las Vegas. But if I won't be able to go there physically, I'll be watching it on Pay Per View.

Very true. ****ing your arm back would slower your punches and Pac can capitalize with his faster hands. Although he has to be very carefull, the more **** (lol) the more power and Pac might himself eating a delicious uppercut when he comes in. If he gets in range, Morales can pick him off with his longer arms, but fighting in closed quarters, longer arms won't be your best friend.

Very true. ****ing your arm back would slower your punches and Pac can capitalize with his faster hands. Although he has to be very carefull, the more **** (lol) the more power and Pac might himself eating a delicious uppercut when he comes in. If he gets in range, Morales can pick him off with his longer arms, but fighting in closed quarters, longer arms won't be your best friend.

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Right on Mooks, mmmm, We're two analysts in here, great.

Pacquiao is not gonna fight on the inside ala Barrera. If he does its almost a for sure thing he isnt dropping Morales. Simple physics he wont have the leverage up close to drop someone like Morales. Pacquiao's power comes from the huge lunge he takes in his 1 - 2. Thats why this fight is so great. Pacquiao will rely on the distance he kept against both Barrera and JMM as will Morales which means... Maximum power for Pacquiaos left and Morales' right. Morales' reach will be an asset against pacquiao as his power will be felt more by him beccause they will fight at distance at both fighters preferance. Morales wont even have to move as much to keep the distance. If pacquiao starts fighting on the inside it will be because he will have felt the power and decided to stay in the "less powerful" saftey pocket just like other fighters have elected to do after feeling the power of Morales.

Pacquiao is not gonna fight on the inside ala Barrera. If he does its almost a for sure thing he isnt dropping Morales. Simple physics he wont have the leverage up close to drop someone like Morales. Pacquiao's power comes from the huge lunge he takes in his 1 - 2. Thats why this fight is so great. Pacquiao will rely on the distance he kept against both Barrera and JMM as will Morales which means... Maximum power for Pacquiaos left and Morales' right. Morales' reach will be an asset against pacquiao as his power will be felt more by him beccause they will fight at distance at both fighters preferance. Morales wont even have to move as much to keep the distance. If pacquiao starts fighting on the inside it will be because he will have felt the power and decided to stay in the "less powerful" saftey pocket just like other fighters have elected to do after feeling the power of Morales.
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How can they play from the outside, when they are a go at it attitude. I think they will converge in the inside cause non of them would wanna back up. What do you think? :rolleyes:

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How can they play from the outside, when they are a go at it attitude. I think they will converge in the inside cause non of them would wanna back up. What do you think? :rolleyes:

more likely the case. no inside knockdown for Pac though.

[QUOTE=.::|ULTIMATE|::.]Pacquiao is not gonna fight on the inside ala Barrera. If he does its almost a for sure thing he isnt dropping Morales. Simple physics he wont have the leverage up close to drop someone like Morales. Pacquiao's power comes from the huge lunge he takes in his 1 - 2. Thats why this fight is so great. Pacquiao will rely on the distance he kept against both Barrera and JMM as will Morales which means... Maximum power for Pacquiaos left and Morales' right. QUOTE]

GOOD ANALYSIS!!!
Pac has the speed though. If he carries it to this weight the reach advantage of Morales is nullified. He land his punches before Morales lands his. Yeah but I agree that Pac needs distance. I heard Pac has developed an uppercut though. Not the Fashan 3k type neither.

GOOD ANALYSIS!!!
Pac has the speed though. If he carries it to this weight the reach advantage of Morales is nullified. He land his punches before Morales lands his. Yeah but I agree that Pac needs distance. I heard Pac has developed an uppercut though. Not the Fashan 3k type neither.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. ;)

I doubt he will use his uppercut much though, he would have to get up close. When things get tough as surely they will with these 2 warriors battling it out, they will both resort to what comes naturally. Which is throwing bombs from a distance to get maximum leverage. Any missed uppercuts from that distance will result in serious punishment something i doubt they will risk consireing the consequences.

I doubt he will use his uppercut much though, he would have to get up close. When things get tough as surely they will with these 2 warriors battling it out, they will both resort to what comes naturally. Which is throwing bombs from a distance to get maximum leverage. Any missed uppercuts from that distance will result in serious punishment something i doubt they will risk consireing the consequences.

First guy to land clean first will score big. That much I know.

I think Pac will really worked on his uppercut, right hook, and jab for this fight. Morales will not trade with Pac no matter what he says. Pac will keep pressure on him and eventually catch him.

GOOD ANALYSIS!!!
Pac has the speed though. If he carries it to this weight the reach advantage of Morales is nullified. He land his punches before Morales lands his. Yeah but I agree that Pac needs distance. I heard Pac has developed an uppercut though. Not the Fashan 3k type neither.

Thank you. ;)

I doubt he will use his uppercut much though, he would have to get up close. When things get tough as surely they will with these 2 warriors battling it out, they will both resort to what comes naturally. Which is throwing bombs from a distance to get maximum leverage. Any missed uppercuts from that distance will result in serious punishment something i doubt they will risk consireing the consequences.[/QUOTE]


Good exchanges of views here. :)

Yeah right I don't think there's much use for PACs uppercut here because Morales never comes in STOOPING. Eric fights up right most of the time plus the fact that he is taller.

I agree that If Eric makes use of his longer reach by boxing that will give team Pac something to think of . . . it's an advantage for Eric. On the other side Pac can use his foot speed to go in and out within his STRIKING distance or go in there all the way and fight Eric up close . . . too close for Eric to use his reach advantage. But in this scenario since Pac is shorter he has to watch for Eric's killer uppercuts.

Haven't you figure out that Pacquiao is also comfortable at long range? And that his left straights do more damage when fired at long range?

Pacquiao, according to his friend trainder, was a sprinter when he was in primary school. That's perhaps he's comfortable at lunging at his opponent. And he does it with cruel intention.

I don`t see an early KO in this fight. Morales would be wise to stay on the outside and work off a jab, straight right and hook when circling to his left ( away from Pac`s left). Manny will look to rush and flurry and hopfully catch Morales when he leans straight up, like he does. But i think the key to victory is dictating the fight. At a slow pace Morales could box manny silly but at a higher tempo Pac would be favored as it might leave useful gaps in Morales` defence. Hard to pick a winner but I lean towards Morales. He has a decent chin, vast experience in big fights and if he boxes instead of brawls ( big IF ) then he could make this a relatively easy nights work!

I think the advantage of his long reach will outwiegh the disadvantage...and Moralles probably does realize this and has backup plan...

god knows i hate morales but no...his reach is not a bad thing-hell no...morales will use the long jab and hold it there while setting right hand bombs to ko manny. and Morales is faster then he appears plus his skills are beyond great-i think even tho i dont want him to win(i am from nicaragua,not mexican :D ) i think morales will win by mid rounds ko(i think by one to the body)

I think the advantage of his long reach will outwiegh the disadvantage...and Moralles probably does realize this and has backup plan...


And the back-up plan is to back-up? :D

I have watched all of Erik's fights since MAB part 1 up to 130. And I haven't seen him not engage any boxer toe to toe. He does box but there are always rounds that he brawls.

One exception is against Ayala. Ayala was so small that it looked like Morales was boxing him. But hey, even Ayala was able to tag Morales with power lefts. But Ayala is a pigeon puncher.

god knows i hate morales but no...his reach is not a bad thing-hell no...morales will use the long jab

I think Pacquiao is a fighter that is not deterred by jabs. In fact, Pacquiao is the only fighter that likes to be jabbed.

Barrera is one of the best jabber out there and what happened? And you couldn't even say that he's not in shape because you don't need to be in perfect shape to throw effective jabs.

The moment Morales (or even MAB) throws a jab, Pacquiao will simply fire a counter fire that is as fast as Morales' jab but much more powerful.

Haven't you figure out why Marquez threw only a few jabs against Pacquiao? In fact, Pacquiao even outjabbed Marquez by a few.

The moment any fighter extend his arms, that is the time needed by Pacquiao to throw very quick power punches.

If Morales want to extend his arm, then make sure that it does more than a jab.

Marquez, when he extends his arms, has the purpose of gauging or neutralizing Pacquiao's right crosses which were previously effective against Barrera.

Good discussion guys. Man, this fight is a hard one to pick! I haven't really got a clue!

Very true. ****ing your arm back would slower your punches and Pac can capitalize with his faster hands. Although he has to be very carefull, the more **** (lol) the more power and Pac might himself eating a delicious uppercut when he comes in. If he gets in range, Morales can pick him off with his longer arms, but fighting in closed quarters, longer arms won't be your best friend.

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I'm confused with the title of this thread. What? a long reach disadvantage? I'm no boxing expert but a longer reach in boxing is an advantage speciall if a skillfull fighter like morales posseses them. I'm for pac but I think if morales uses this long reach advantage to the hilt then he wins by UD.

The thing is also that Morales is used to having a big reach advantage being so tall and langy for a featherweight. Being used to it means he knows how to use it. And he would be used to a pressure puncher like punk man!

Erik has that uppercut that will be the the key, manny will lunge and erik will cath him .

The thing is also that Morales is used to having a big reach advantage being so tall and langy for a featherweight. Being used to it means he knows how to use it. And he would be used to a pressure puncher like punk man!

That's the question, how will he handle the pressure of pac? will he run and use his reach advantage by moving laterally and sneak those jabs. But the thing is he is a warrior and he likes to brawl which is the style suited for the big punches of pac.

I'm confused with the title of this thread. What? a long reach disadvantage? I'm no boxing expert but a longer reach in boxing is an advantage speciall if a skillfull fighter like morales posseses them. I'm for pac but I think if morales uses this long reach advantage to the hilt then he wins by UD.


I agree. Boxing Pacquiao, moving a lot, jabbing him from long range where he can let loose his overhand & straight rights...taking advantage of his longer reach will win the fight for El Terrible. When Pac comes to pressure, he can tag him with a quick uppercut.

Brawling Pac will be Morales' biggest mistake.

I agree. Boxing Pacquiao, moving a lot, jabbing him from long range where he can let loose his overhand & straight rights...taking advantage of his longer reach will win the fight for El Terrible. When Pac comes to pressure, he can tag him with a quick uppercut.

Brawling Pac will be Morales' biggest mistake.

and i seen in the news when PAC went to Mexico, Morales said he will fight an intelligent fight, IMHO this means he is going to box, so PAC has to let it all hang out and pressure EM and lure El Terrible to a brawl...

god knows i hate morales but no...his reach is not a bad thing-hell no...morales will use the long jab and hold it there while setting right hand bombs to ko manny. and Morales is faster then he appears plus his skills are beyond great-i think even tho i dont want him to win(i am from nicaragua,not mexican :D ) i think morales will win by mid rounds ko(i think by one to the body)

Damn nicaraguan!! hehe just kidding Nica!!... get it? :D

good post... only way morales will have a chance is he doesnt let pac go in... and i doubt that will happen...

Morales is a boxer with a strong chin, his not known for his knockout punch. If Morales can withstand Pacmans best punches and throw a barrage of punches as he always do he can win a decision. As for Pacman, he also has a strong chin, he is a heavy hitter kind of a fighter. He can give u a world of pain. I bet Morales hasnt fought a fighter like Pacman. If Pacman can sneak his left hooks through Morales defenses, I think he can give Morales his first taste of a knockdown. So this is how I see it ends. Morales decision or Pacman by KO.

If Morales comes into the fight as heavy as he was against Barrera, he will be in big trouble. He was around 143-145 lbs. and it was the most sluggish he had ever looked in the ring. His sharpness would have to be intact to make a good fight of it. If he comes into the fight around 135 (give or take a pound) then he has a good shot at winning.

I agree. Boxing Pacquiao, moving a lot, jabbing him from long range where he can let loose his overhand & straight rights...taking advantage of his longer reach will win the fight for El Terrible. When Pac comes to pressure, he can tag him with a quick uppercut.

Brawling Pac will be Morales' biggest mistake.
one thing that team pacquiao has emhasized is that they will start with the same game plan as ay other fight he has fought. attack attack attack. on the first two rounds i would say erik does not have any option but stick it toe-to-toe with manny because it is just the way the fight will be. a slugfest. and no matter how erik mentions fighting intelligently, i don't think of him running and boxing from afar, it will be hurting his ego... too much of a warrior in erik that he has the highest possibility to brawl...

Morales is a boxer with a strong chin, his not known for his knockout punch. If Morales can withstand Pacmans best punches and throw a barrage of punches as he always do he can win a decision. As for Pacman, he also has a strong chin, he is a heavy hitter kind of a fighter. He can give u a world of pain. I bet Morales hasnt fought a fighter like Pacman. If Pacman can sneak his left hooks through Morales defenses, I think he can give Morales his first taste of a knockdown. So this is how I see it ends. Morales decision or Pacman by KO.
i agree, erik by UD or manny by KO. that's what we are going to bet on when rick posts the betting thread...

I think Morales is capable of making a better adjustments than Pac not only bec. of His size advantage and reach but also His Ring experience,but then all this adjustments will be nulled once He starts to taste Pac's Power though it can also be said on Morales who I think will come much prepared and focus than on His last debacle against Mab. But we all Agree that its the WArrior's heart by both of this gladiator that will carry them on to victory. Viva Pacman!!!

I think Pac will really worked on his uppercut, right hook, and jab for this fight. Morales will not trade with Pac no matter what he says. Pac will keep pressure on him and eventually catch him.

I totally agree with you!!! :) :) :)

Morales is a boxer with a strong chin, his not known for his knockout punch. If Morales can withstand Pacmans best punches and throw a barrage of punches as he always do he can win a decision. As for Pacman, he also has a strong chin, he is a heavy hitter kind of a fighter. He can give u a world of pain. I bet Morales hasnt fought a fighter like Pacman. If Pacman can sneak his left hooks through Morales defenses, I think he can give Morales his first taste of a knockdown. So this is how I see it ends. Morales decision or Pacman by KO.

I honestly believe that Pacman is also capable of winning by decision, but how I wish that it would be by KO. :) :) :)

i cant wait for this fight, i honestly believe that if morales chooses to box rather than brawl he can win the fight, but because morales has so much pride his ego wont allow him to box for 12 rounds in my opinion and this will ultimatley be his downfall. when he fought barrera the first and third time he fought barreras fight which involved little boxing and a lot of brawling, when he fought barrera at 126 lbs in their second fight he was boxing him more and even though i thought barrera won, he was unlucky not to get the decision (this is coming from a big barrera fan)

i dont think morales reach advantage will be a big difference in the fight because i dont think he will use it to his advantage. i think pacmans gonna win by UD.

I like both fighters. it's tough to choose. I'll pick Pacquaio because of the power.

we will just wait & see bro come mar 19................... :D

and i seen in the news when PAC went to Mexico, Morales said he will fight an intelligent fight, IMHO this means he is going to box, so PAC has to let it all hang out and pressure EM and lure El Terrible to a brawl...

thats the only way pac wins. thats the only way pac fights. pac is not a boxer, he is a brawler. if he is to beat morales he will brawl. morales on the other hand can box and brawl. but if it comes to brawling pac wins easy. he has way too much power.

i find it hard to believe im even reading a thread that says having a longer reach is a disadvantage .
How ****ing ridiculous.

I think Morales is gonna surprise people. Most people seem to think he has no power. But im willing to bet Morales is the hardest puncher Pacquiao has ever fought.

he also has a better chin than manny that could be decisive.
So Morlaes is the bigger man, with the longer reach, more experience,and a better chin.
youd be stupid or fan blind not to see Morales stands a good chance of winning TKO 9 to Eric.

This fight is gonna be real close. First off Erics long reach is an advantage and his chin is more than decent its made of iron. Pac is very fast and i would not be surprised if the right hand shows up in this fight. Roach said after watching tapes of Morales he seems to make the same mistakes in every fight and he has tendecies. He stands up tall when he backed into a corner and he likes a much slower pace than pac. If pac makes the fight tempo really fast i see him catching Morales. Eric would be wise to box and wear Pac down and then go for a ko.

i'm sure morales will use all his assets. his longer reach is an asset & will be used to the hilt specially in the beginning of the fight.
pacman will surely get buzzed in the early going, but pacman will also use this buzzing to measure up erik before he unloads his own bombs.
i'm sure this will be an exciting fight coz erik will try something mab was not able to do against pacman. this fight will bring new credibility to el terrible if he beats pacman.
but pacman has tasted marquez. pacman knows that good counterpunching will sap his energy. so he's going to improve on the tactics he used against mab. pacquiao wins by tko at 10th.

Advantage or not, pacman by TKO 4th rd. Too much power for EM.

Advantage or not, pacman by TKO 4th rd. Too much power for EM.

Too much hurry, I think Pacman should punish Erik like what he did to Marco. So everybody will say he's washed up, old and need to retire coz of so many wars in the ring.
Then Erik can make a comeback by winning MABvsEM4. I'm sure GB will let Marco go to a 4th war with Erik thinking Erik is a goner.

we will see if pacman carries his pwoer iup to superfeather he has only a few times at feather so you are making wild assumptions that may not end up being true.
As for koing Morales, cant see it Eric has a cast iron chin.

aside from a MAB-EM4, i love to see how erik's nose and chin holds up against pacman. if erik keeps his cute face after the fight, i think he should get a special prize!!!

to tell u the truth we all know morales has a granite chin but what about his body? i hope not but i think pac is goin for the body mostly in this fight.

to tell u the truth we all know morales has a granite chin but what about his body? i hope not but i think pac is goin for the body mostly in this fight.


both MP & EM love to go the body. but you can't see the damage done to the body after the fight. obviously, the dramatic result is always highlighted on the face.
plus when DLH was downed by a body punch, so many believed he threw the fight.

I think too many people are underestimating El Terrible, when is the last time you saw about to get KO'd (never) or badly hurt early in a fight. Manny may have great power but he does not have an awesome chin, Nedal Hussein knocked him down with a jab. Also Morales has alot to fight for, he has to prove he can actually beat the fighter who beat Barrera and that he's not on the downside of his career. If Morales boxes him effectively early utilizing his jab and working the body, I think he can win by mid to late round KO or decision. At worst however i think he could possibly lose by late round KO. No way he gets knocked out in the early rounds. Important factor as well is how well Pacquiao carries his speed up in weight and how quick Morales looks.

Haven't you figure out that Pacquiao is also comfortable at long range? And that his left straights do more damage when fired at long range?

Pacquiao, according to his friend trainder, was a sprinter when he was in primary school. That's perhaps he's comfortable at lunging at his opponent. And he does it with cruel intention.


I know Bro. In fact Pac is comfortable both at long range and short range. But what I'm saying here is that if fight will be done from the long range all night that is where Eric's reach advantage will set in.

And yes lunging in at his opponents . . . that's what I'm saying . . . in and out, while bobbing and weaving . . . upper body movements. We all know that Pac is capable of throwing his puinches from almost all angles even at odd positions. ;)

I think too many people are underestimating El Terrible, when is the last time you saw about to get KO'd (never) or badly hurt early in a fight. Manny may have great power but he does not have an awesome chin, Nedal Hussein knocked him down with a jab. Also Morales has alot to fight for, he has to prove he can actually beat the fighter who beat Barrera and that he's not on the downside of his career. If Morales boxes him effectively early utilizing his jab and working the body, I think he can win by mid to late round KO or decision. At worst however i think he could possibly lose by late round KO. No way he gets knocked out in the early rounds. Important factor as well is how well Pacquiao carries his speed up in weight and how quick Morales looks.


No dude we are not underestimating Eric. I fully know what he has gone through and what he is capable of doing. It's just that I firmly believe that Pac will find a way to put Eric down to the canvas. Pac is not a one punch K.O. artist, the accumulation of power punches makes his opponents lose bearing, weakens them and until the fatal moment. If that MAB fight was not stopped at the 11th rounbd that could have ended in a K.O. victory. But as Pac has shown he is also capable of Knocking out opponents with one solid punch.

Eric hasn't been kayoed yet . . . that's right, and so with Lebwada, Lucero, MAB, JMM including his tune up opponent in Fashan and a lot more of his opponents before. But did you see what happened? :D They all went down. In his last 15 fights Manny has 13 K.O.s 2 draws. :cool:

Nedal Hussein? Oh yes . . . a solid punch to the kisser brought Manny down. But when was that? :p Manny doesn't have the best chin in the business but he did worked on that weakness. Proof? Manny absorb the best pounches MAB and JMM can offer and just shrug it all.

he also has a better chin than manny that could be decisive.
So Morlaes is the bigger man, with the longer reach, more experience,and a better chin.
youd be stupid or fan blind not to see Morales stands a good chance of winning TKO 9 to Eric.


That's right Eric has all the advantages, nobody can deny that . . . and in my eyes this is a 50/50 fight for both.

How about a friendly bet? Just for fun Bro. ;) :p