I see way too many parrallels between Pac and Tito. Both are representing their island countries with huge cult like followings. Both have that seek and destroy type boxing style. Often times they're called one dimensional because of their high offensive style and great KO power.

I just have a feeling, a boxer will box Pacquiao to a lopsided victoring shattering Pacquaio's illusion of perfection like Bernard Hopkins did to Tito. Like Winky did to Tito.

The Sooner.....the Better. The Ball Fondling has reached epic proportions.

no way dude pacquiao will say screw that man u can box but hell im pacman im gonna totally knock u out then bam hell do it. its possible but not probably unless pacman gets lured to 135 or something which he needs to go back to 126 really i think. hes got a really great trainer and the only thing i worry about is if hell get off the path of training proper each time. he does need to train to keep winning or else he could be like so many others that got distracted.

i could see him like trinidad in that hed get a huge super following from his countrymen and well as lots of others.

Pacquiao is more Sugar Ray Leonard than Tito Trinidad. :D :D

pacquiao is much better student of the sport. he had added more weapons in his arsenal unlike tito in his prime

pacquiao is much better student of the sport. he had added more weapons in his arsenal unlike tito in his prime


The purpose of this thread could be to start a war with the Ricans........it wouldn't happen...coz we are bonded with a common foe.....LMAO. :D

I see way too many parrallels between Pac and Tito. Both are representing their island countries with huge cult like followings. Both have that seek and destroy type boxing style. Often times they're called one dimensional because of their high offensive style and great KO power.

I just have a feeling, a boxer will box Pacquiao to a lopsided victoring shattering Pacquaio's illusion of perfection like Bernard Hopkins did to Tito. Like Winky did to Tito.
he already found his b-hop in jmm he had the fight won and let himself get out boxed

he already found his b-hop in jmm he had the fight won and let himself get out boxed
:confused: I didn't realize Pacquiao got KOed by JMM?

:confused: I didn't realize Pacquiao got KOed by JMM?
no but he got outboxed


Originally Posted by .:BLOODSHED:.
I see way too many parrallels between Pac and Tito. Both are representing their island countries with huge cult like followings. Both have that seek and destroy type boxing style. Often times they're called one dimensional because of their high offensive style and great KO power.

I just have a feeling, a boxer will box Pacquiao to a lopsided victoring shattering Pacquaio's illusion of perfection like Bernard Hopkins did to Tito. Like Winky did to Tito.

were did anybody say anything about ko sure b-hop koed tito, but that was do to outboxing him. winky didnt ko tito he outboxed him. in what point did some one say pacman was going to get koed can you point that out for me

:confused: I didn't realize Pacquiao got KOed by JMM?

no...but he got his ass taken to school after the second round.

no but he got outboxed


Originally Posted by .:BLOODSHED:.
I see way too many parrallels between Pac and Tito. Both are representing their island countries with huge cult like followings. Both have that seek and destroy type boxing style. Often times they're called one dimensional because of their high offensive style and great KO power.

I just have a feeling, a boxer will box Pacquiao to a lopsided victoring shattering Pacquaio's illusion of perfection like Bernard Hopkins did to Tito. Like Winky did to Tito.

were did anybody say anything about ko sure b-hop koed tito, but that was do to outboxing him. winky didnt ko tito he outboxed him. in what point did some one say pacman was going to get koed can you point that out for me

And when did a lopsided victory become a draw? :confused:

no...but he got his ass taken to school after the second round.


JMM's ass was taken to the canvass 3 times. :rolleyes:

And when did a lopsided victory become a draw? :confused:
so your going to avoid my KO question? if it wasnt for the first round it would of been easy for jmm. im sure if pacman ever takes the fight with jmm marquez qilll out box him again

JMM's ass was taken to the canvass 3 times. :rolleyes:

Right.

Like I said...some sort of "Moral Victory". So I guess the fight ended after the first round right?

After all you have to do..is just knock a guy down 3 times and you automatically won. Wrong.

JMM's ass was taken to the canvass 3 times. :rolleyes:
and pacman still didnt win. 3 times to the floor and couldnt finish

so your going to avoid my KO question? if it wasnt for the first round it would of been easy for jmm. im sure if pacman ever takes the fight with jmm marquez qilll out box him again


"If it wasn't the first round"....I've heard it so many times. Too bad every round starts with 1. :rolleyes:

"I scored it for JMM" "Everybody scored it for JMM".....too bad but your scoring doesn't count...the judges' does. :p

"If it wasn't the first round"....I've heard it so many times. Too bad every round starts with 1. :rolleyes:

]"I scored it for JMM" "Everybody scored it for JMM".....too bad but your scoring doesn't count...the judges' does. [/B] :p
and pacman wor round 1 no question then he couldnt really do **** for the next 11.

the judges scored it a draw but you nut huggers still say pacman won it

no...but he got his ass taken to school after the second round.
only the middle rounds, watch the fight again... pac won the last 3 rounds... plus the 3 KD ;)

only the middle rounds, watch the fight again... pac won the last 3 rounds... plus the 3 KD ;)

Watched the fight last night as a matter of fact....that's why I've been discussing it so frequently.

I scored the first round 10-7 for Pac obviously.

I scored the second round for Pac.

I scored rounds 3-9 for Marquez.

I scored 11 for J.M.M.

I scored 10 and 12 for Pac

and pacman still didnt win. 3 times to the floor and couldnt finish


So Pacquiao got schooled by JMM....still didn't win right? :rolleyes:

So Pacquiao got schooled by JMM....still didn't win right? :rolleyes:
3 times on the floor 3 not 1 but 3. pacman didnt win either did he but still you ask for the fight againts the guy who he did beat. scared your guy will get taken to school

3 times on the floor 3 not 1 but 3. pacman didnt win either did he but still you ask for the fight againts the guy who he did beat. scared your guy will get taken to school
:confused: :confused: I really don't get why some of you think it was Pacquiao who's running away from Marquez. Everybody know here who ran from who......just like Barrera. Only Morales has guts.

:confused: :confused: I really don't get why some of you think it was Pacquiao who's running away from Marquez. Everybody know here who ran from who......just like Barrera. Only Morales has guts.

only morales is true mexican warrior!

JMM and MAB are doing anything just to avoid Pac.

:confused: :confused: I really don't get why some of you think it was Pacquiao who's running away from Marquez. Everybody know here who ran from who......just like Barrera. Only Morales has guts.
i have nothing but respect for pacman. but to think that every fighter is ducking him is dumb, like to think pacman is ducking marquez its dumb they need to do even split. my question is why are all yuo nut huggers asking for a second fight with MAB but not againt JMM?

3 times on the floor 3 not 1 but 3. pacman didnt win either did he but still you ask for the fight againts the guy who he did beat. scared your guy will get taken to school
it was JMM who did not bite the offer for the rematch. look at the news archive.

now JMM is fighting chris john for a ****ty price LOL

i have nothing but respect for pacman. but to think that every fighter is ducking him is dumb, like to think pacman is ducking marquez its dumb they need to do even split. my question is why are all yuo nut huggers asking for a second fight with MAB but not againt JMM?

Here's what I posted at the other thread:

1. It's obvious that if Barrera fights Pacquiao, it will be the biggest PPV event of the lighterweights since Oscar-Tito. It's all about the money.......

2. Marquez was already set to fight Chris John even befor 2006. It was postphoned for a few months...and is now set in March 3. While Barrera was available even AFTER the Pac- Morales fight. It's logical for fans to ask for who's available right? Had Barrera been busy, and Marquez been available...Pacquiao (and his "nuthuggers")would have asked for Marquez. It's really simple.
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it was JMM who did not bite the offer for the rematch. look at the news archive.

now JMM is fighting chris john for a ****ty price LOL
john is worht a ****ty price but to think that pacman deserves a bigger cut i crazy to think marquez does its crazy. they are both pulling fans. and they couldnt beat each other so it should be 5050

i have nothing but respect for pacman. but to think that every fighter is ducking him is dumb, like to think pacman is ducking marquez its dumb they need to do even split. my question is why are all yuo nut huggers asking for a second fight with MAB but not againt JMM?


I don't think anybody is saying that Marquez is ducking Pac right now...that was a long time ago. Barrera is the one doing the ducking RIGHT NOW. So I don't think pacfans are thinking that every fighter is ducking him....just Barrera, that's all.
Barrios is not ducking Pac
Scott Harrison is not ducking Pac
Marquez ducked Pac but is now busy...we will see what happens after he fights John and if both fighters are available.
Mosquera is not ducking Pac
Morales is not ducking Pac
Nanthachai is not ducking Pac

someone said theirs no comparison becuz tito only had the left hook
and pac just recently improved his arsenl
its true pacs added the right hook
but i never thought of tito as a one punch fighter
i mean he could KO u with one punch
but he had an unbelievable left hook
and a great right
nothing amazing
but it was great in itself
so i just dont like people sayin pacs now a two handed fighter
and tito was a one handed fighter

and personaly
i think tito understood the sweet science more so then pac
pacs bearly arriving
until u can work both hands
u dont fully appreciate what boxing is
he had one punck that could KO anyone
thats all he knew
now hes understnading setting it up
or even finshin without it
tito always knew how to do that
if he couldnt get ya with the left right away
hed hurt ya with the strait right
then BAM
the money shot
the left hook

JMM and MAB are doing anything just to avoid Pac.

That's why they both chose to fight him right?

john is worht a ****ty price but to think that pacman deserves a bigger cut i crazy to think marquez does its crazy. they are both pulling fans. and they couldnt beat each other so it should be 5050
if he really thinks he could beat pac, and wanted to prove his worth, he could have taken the price.

it's the opportunity that matters.

it's the opportunity that matters.


And he lost it.........to think that he was a Hall of Famer Material. Down the drain......Marquez has no place in the elite history. :D

someone said theirs no comparison becuz tito only had the left hook
and pac just recently improved his arsenl
its true pacs added the right hook
but i never thought of tito as a one punch fighter
i mean he could KO u with one punch
but he had an unbelievable left hook
and a great right
nothing amazing
but it was great in itself
so i just dont like people sayin pacs now a two handed fighter
and tito was a one handed fighter

and personaly
i think tito understood the sweet science more so then pac
pacs bearly arriving
until u can work both hands
u dont fully appreciate what boxing is
he had one punck that could KO anyone
thats all he knew
now hes understnading setting it up
or even finshin without it
tito always knew how to do that
if he couldnt get ya with the left right away
hed hurt ya with the strait right
then BAM
the money shot
the left hook

i guess you didnt see what he did to EM

I don't think anybody is saying that Marquez is ducking Pac right now...that was a long time ago. Barrera is the one doing the ducking RIGHT NOW. So I don't think pacfans are thinking that every fighter is ducking him....just Barrera, that's all.
Barrios is not ducking Pac
Scott Harrison is not ducking Pac
Marquez ducked Pac but is now busy...we will see what happens after he fights John and if both fighters are available.
Mosquera is not ducking Pac
Morales is not ducking Pac
Nanthachai is not ducking Pac
MAB has a date he has to fight in. he offered it to the winner of morales pac. it was to soon. so he has to take a filler untill pac is available. he already said he wanted his rematch. when he is ready. why is he going to take a fight he is not ready for we saw what happen the first time. MAB was ready for march. pacman is working on signing two fights. so there rematch wont happen this year. are you going to say that it was another year of mab ducking him. no you shouldnt its just a conflict of scheduals. pacman wants to fight a guy he destroid and a guy who is not in his level well power to pac

if he really thinks he could beat pac, and wanted to prove his worth, he could have taken the price.

it's the opportunity that matters.
pacman has something to prove to why dont he take the cut

pacman has something to prove to why dont he take the cut
he had already proven he's the moneymaker. this is pro boxing dude.

jmm should be happy he was given the opportunity to fight pac. he would have never tasted that much money if not for pac ;)

he had already proven he's the moneymaker. this is pro boxing dude.

jmm should be happy he was given the opportunity to fight pac. he would have never tasted that much money if not for pac ;)
you think pac would of made that much money if it wasnt for MAB. barrera gave him a chance. jmm is the only thing standing infront of pac being a hall of famer in my book he needs to take this fight not for money but for respect of true boxing fans not just his nuthuggers

you think pac would of made that much money if it wasnt for MAB. barrera gave him a chance. jmm is the only thing standing infront of pac being a hall of famer in my book he needs to take this fight not for money but for respect of true boxing fans not just his nuthuggers
as i said earlier, pac already offered but it was jmm who declined. in the first place, pac fought three great mexicans. jmm never faced barrera or morales when he could have done it. why?

tito is a great fighter just like PAC but i dont think their ends will be similar ...

Tito's ending was abrupt, on each of his losses he was sent to retirement ...

while pacman, has lost 3 times and came back a lot better, winning championships and beating legends along the way ...

as i said earlier, pac already offered but it was jmm who declined. in the first place, pac fought three great mexicans. jmm never faced barrera or morales when he could have done it. why?
how much did pac offer was it a good amount for a champ or could it have been taken as an insult

pacman has something to prove to why dont he take the cut
pacman destroyed barrera and morales, something jmm never tried.

he downed jmm 3 times and got the better of the later rounds.

its jmm who has something to prove. fighting chris john is a ****ed up move to prove something :rolleyes:

how much did pac offer was it a good amount for a champ or could it have been taken as an insult
it's way much better than the chris john paycheck LOL!!!!!

pac deserve more.... he has proven his fireworks. he KOed the seemingly indistructible morales and mab. he KO's his opponent with devastating punches.

jmm never fought a better fight aside from pac

naf said

pacman destroyed barrera and morales, something jmm never tried.

he downed jmm 3 times and got the better of the later rounds.
its jmm who has something to prove. fighting chris john is a ****ed up move to prove something :rolleyes:
jmm did enough for a draw. i dont know jmm record but pacman is coming withh one defeat out of his last 3 he avenged it in great manner but that puts him in a tie with moales. now how has marquez done in his last couple of fights

it's way much better than the chris john paycheck LOL!!!!!

pac deserve more.... he has proven his fireworks. he KOed the seemingly indistructible morales and mab. he KO's his opponent with devastating punches.

jmm never fought a better fight aside from pac

naf said
the amount doesnt matter the split does, giving the champs a lower split no matter how much value it is is an insult to a mexican champ. Jmm i guess maybe his prive was hurt and thats why he didnt take the fight no to duck pacman

jmm did enough for a draw. i dont know jmm record but pacman is coming withh one defeat out of his last 3 he avenged it in great manner but that puts him in a tie with moales. now how has marquez done in his last couple of fights
cold as beer LOL

the amount doesnt matter the split does, giving the champs a lower split no matter how much value it is is an insult to a mexican champ. Jmm i guess maybe his prive was hurt and thats why he didnt take the fight no to duck pacman
excuses... worse than a losser's excuses

pacman has something to prove to why dont he take the cut

JMM is figthing for ONLY 30k in Asia, he wanted a belt and JMM travelled to the other side of the globe and for peanuts to get it...

now IMHO if JMM wants to be "not just a champ but to be GREAT", JMM can just go to PAC and get his greatest there, whatever cost it maybe ...

excuses... worse than a losser's excuses
are you trying to tell me you have no more arguements that you have to resort to one line comments

JMM is figthing for ONLY 30k in Asia, he wanted a belt and JMM travelled to the other side of the globe and for peanuts to get it...

now IMHO if JMM wants to be "not just a champ but to be GREAT", JMM can just go to PAC and get his greatest there, whatever cost it maybe ...
dont you think pacman instead of calling out a guy who he beat can give up a little bit of money to face a guy who he hasnt beat yet

are you trying to tell me you have no more arguements that you have to resort to one line comments
what is there to argue? your jmm ducked pac.. no matter how you looked at it... he ducked pac. is that a champion? a champion fights a willing contender. not just a willing contender but a worthy foe. chris john a worthy foe. the hell with jmm :p

what is there to argue? your jmm ducked pac.. no matter how you looked at it... he ducked pac. is that a champion? a champion fights a willing contender. not just a willing contender but a worthy foe. chris john a worthy foe. the hell with jmm :p
pacman is not willing to give a fair cut to the champ who is a willing foe so with your own logic your saying to hell with pac

Marquez did well for a guy being dropped 3 times in the 1st, but he was very lucky in many aspects of that fight.

There was every reason the ref could have waived it off after the third KD, but he didn't. Marquez wend down the 3rd time, paused, and layed down on his back. That was a roll of the dice and he benifited from some lenient reffing.

He also should have lost that fight, technically, on the cards. That was a 10-6 first rounnd. Text book. The juduge that score it 10-7 was embarassed he goofed, and said immediatly after the fight if he'd have known, he would have scored it 10-6 the 1st time around.

After escaping the fight with a draw, Marquez was offered the fight twice, the 2nd time being far and away the biggest payday of his career, and he turned it down. That speaks for itself.

Manny was dejected that he threw everything in the 1st and didn't get him out of there, and was frustrated when he allowed him back in the fight. He did not get taken to school, nor should he have lost that fight.

It was competitve, and I think anyone that gave Marquez 9 rounds from 3 through 12 is being very generous to him.

Pacquiao has grown since that fight, developed more power in his right and more ability to mix up his punches. Marquez hasn't been challenged since.

Unless Pacquiao moves up to 135, I don't see anyone laying a 'Hopkins Tito' on him. He's the real deal right now, and he's improving with each fight and has just entered his prime.

dont you think pacman instead of calling out a guy who he beat can give up a little bit of money to face a guy who he hasnt beat yet

buddy as much as I want to see PAC-JMM 2, it really takes two to TANGO ...

JMM missed his chance when he over priced the rematch a year ago, now he is around third in-line amoung PAC's priorities...

I think you will agree that PAC-MAB 2 will be a MONSTER at the boxoffice, while PAC-JMM 2 is more of a hardcore fan's fight...

IMHO, PAC's boxing career is at its peak and he has a lot of choices and options whom to fight, I will love it if he say it now the he wants JMM but IMHO JMM should be the one calling out PAC...

pacman is not willing to give a fair cut to the champ who is a willing foe so with your own logic your saying to hell with pac
LOL!!! he's not a worthy champion. in the first place it is pac who runs after him. jmm ducks, goes to indonesia, and look for a useless win. what kind of champ is he? pac is the challenge no matter what's the cost.

he should take the offer and prove to pac he deserves more. let his fists do the talking. yet he opted to fight chris john LOL :D

Marquez did well for a guy being dropped 3 times in the 1st, but he was very lucky in many aspects of that fight.

There was every reason the ref could have waived it off after the third KD, but he didn't. Marquez wend down the 3rd time, paused, and layed down on his back. That was a roll of the dice and he benifited from some lenient reffing.

He also should have lost that fight, technically, on the cards. That was a 10-6 first rounnd. Text book. The juduge that score it 10-7 was embarassed he goofed, and said immediatly after the fight if he'd have known, he would have scored it 10-6 the 1st time around.

After escaping the fight with a draw, Marquez was offered the fight twice, the 2nd time being far and away the biggest payday of his career, and he turned it down. That speaks for itself.

Manny was dejected that he threw everything in the 1st and didn't get him out of there, and was frustrated when he allowed him back in the fight. He did not get taken to school, nor should he have lost that fight.

It was competitve, and I think anyone that gave Marquez 9 rounds from 3 through 12 is being very generous to him.

Pacquiao has grown since that fight, developed more power in his right and more ability to mix up his punches. Marquez hasn't been challenged since.

Unless Pacquiao moves up to 135, I don't see anyone laying a 'Hopkins Tito' on him. He's the real deal right now, and he's improving with each fight and has just entered his prime.
the ref could of stopped it but marquez was not hurt enough for it to be stopped

the ref could of stopped it but marquez was not hurt enough for it to be stopped
his nose was broken :D

the ref could of stopped it but marquez was not hurt enough for it to be stopped


In retrospect, yes. But you're missing my point.

The Reff saw him go down twice. The third time he went down from some big shots, slumped and then layed on his back.

That could have easilly been constrewed by many pro ref's that (being the 3rd knock down of the round) he'd had enough.

It was admirable that he got up, and I'm not saying he should have been prevented from continuing,

I'm saying the way it looked, and going down three times could have seen the fight waived off.

If it was waived off after that 3rd kd, I don't think there would have been many complaints.

buddy as much as I want to see PAC-JMM 2, it really takes two to TANGO ...

JMM missed his chance when he over priced the rematch a year ago, now he is around third in-line amoung PAC's priorities...

I think you will agree that PAC-MAB 2 will be a MONSTER at the boxoffice, while PAC-JMM 2 is more of a hardcore fan's fight...

IMHO, PAC's boxing career is at its peak and he has a lot of choices and options whom to fight, I will love it if he say it now the he wants JMM but IMHO JMM should be the one calling out PAC...
buddy im a big MAB fan but i know he really has a small chance of beating pacman. it will be big fight, MAB shouldnt take this fight he has nothing to prove he is already a hall of famer is he takes that fight he might not walk out of there the same. jmm might not make much money with casual boxing fans but to anybody who fallows boxing not just one guy, it will be big. if pac wins is will show that he is already a hall of famer, if jmm wins he will be giving mexico some pride back.

his nose was broken :D
well more credit to jm he boxed back with a broken nose

buddy im a big MAB fan but i know he really has a small chance of beating pacman. it will be big fight, MAB shouldnt take this fight he has nothing to prove he is already a hall of famer is he takes that fight he might not walk out of there the same. jmm might not make much money with casual boxing fans but to anybody who fallows boxing not just one guy, it will be big. if pac wins is will show that he is already a hall of famer, if jmm wins he will be giving mexico some pride back.


What do you mean he's got nothing to prove?

He's got two titles at 130, and the guy that's brutally beat him down and KO'd him is now at that weight sharing the top spot.

He has everything to prove.

He should try to avenge his loss.

He's a great fighter, and I think he will.

The motivation and the money are there. It makes complete sense.

buddy im a big MAB fan but i know he really has a small chance of beating pacman. it will be big fight, MAB shouldnt take this fight he has nothing to prove he is already a hall of famer is he takes that fight he might not walk out of there the same. jmm might not make much money with casual boxing fans but to anybody who fallows boxing not just one guy, it will be big. if pac wins is will show that he is already a hall of famer, if jmm wins he will be giving mexico some pride back.
then he should call out pac right away like pac did when he lost to morales. he never did that. imagine, it was pac who lost the fight to em, yet he dared em right away.

in the jmm fight, jmm could have done that to redeem himself yet he failed his own pride. again, it was pac who called him out.

as far as i can remember, it was pac who called out barrera in the first instance.

pac never backs out. jmm is a ducking chicken

well more credit to jm he boxed back with a broken nose
more credit to pac who had bloodied face, fighting with one eye, going toe-to-toe with morales to the end,

see? pac is more competitive than jmm, all the reason why he should get the better offer

the ref could of stopped it but marquez was not hurt enough for it to be stopped

oh no he was surely hurt and even after 1 week after the fight he could barely move his head. and due to that he overpriced himself in the proposed rematch even if it was the biggest paycheck he could have ever received.

more credit to pac who had bloodied face, fighting with one eye, going toe-to-toe with morales to the end,

see? pac is more competitive than jmm, all the reason why he should get the better offer

and then cry like a little ***** at the end.

then he should call out pac right away like pac did when he lost to morales. he never did that. imagine, it was pac who lost the fight to em, yet he dared em right away.

in the jmm fight, jmm could have done that to redeem himself yet he failed his own pride. again, it was pac who called him out.

as far as i can remember, it was pac who called out barrera in the first instance.

pac never backs out. jmm is a ducking chicken
pacman called morales out because he wanted to redime him self and he did. he called out a guy who he destroyed why no clue. he called jmm because he knows he has to beat him to be one of the greatest feather weights of all time. jmm is a champion who gives anybody a chance the longest he gets what he deserves is its not going to be 50 50 then is should be some what close

jmm is a champion who gives anybody a chance the longest he gets what he deserves is its not going to be 50 50 then is should be some what close


Marquez hasn't beat anyone worth anything in years.

He brings no money to the table, and Manny's credibility and PPV appeal trumps that of Marquez.

He's fighting accross the world for a 100 Grand or so.

30% of a purse from a Pacquiao fight would be way more money than he's ever made.

and then cry like a little ***** at the end.
huh? LOL!!!

oh no he was surely hurt and even after 1 week after the fight he could barely move his head. and due to that he overpriced himself in the proposed rematch even if it was the biggest paycheck he could have ever received.
more credit to jmm he outboxed a strong fighter even when he was injured



more credit to pac who had bloodied face, fighting with one eye, going toe-to-toe with morales to the end,

see? pac is more competitive than jmm, all the reason why he should get the better offer

credit to him. but thats not the fight were talking about. pac lost that fight againts morales. jmm had a draw with pac see jmm more competitive he got a draw morales got a victory over pac the first time. see again me using your logic prved my point

Marquez hasn't beat anyone worth anything in years.

He brings no money to the table, and Manny's credibility and PPV appeal trumps that of Marquez.

He's fighting accross the world for a 100 Grand or so.

30% of a purse from a Pacquiao fight would be way more money than he's ever made.
the fact that he is a champ and a man who pac couldnt beat says he deserves more than 30

pacman called morales out because he wanted to redime him self and he did. he called out a guy who he destroyed why no clue. he called jmm because he knows he has to beat him to be one of the greatest feather weights of all time. jmm is a champion who gives anybody a chance the longest he gets what he deserves is its not going to be 50 50 then is should be some what close :bottle:
the question: is pac the only fighter, and not marquez, who wants to be the greatest featherweight of all time? what kind of a ****er JMM is? he should give up his belt to chris john if he doesnt wanna prove his worth. period :D

the fact that he is a champ and a man who pac couldnt beat says he deserves more than 30


You're not getting it.

- He has no noteable wins in the last 3 years

- He brings no PPV money to the table

- He's never made as much money as what 30% of a Pacquiao fight purse would be.


You're suggesting his pride should stop him from making a career high purse?

You're not thinking straight. These guys don't keep a lot of the moeny he makes.

It was foolish to turn down that money, especially when he's not in the position to be demanding any more.

huh? LOL!!!


Here ill put it again so you can SEE it better... -_- its ok i know you have trouble seeing stuff when you laugh...


more credit to pac who had bloodied face, fighting with one eye, going toe-to-toe with morales to the end,

see? pac is more competitive than jmm, all the reason why he should get the better offer

and then cry like a little ***** at the end.


Get it now nuthugger?

the fact that he is a champ and a man who pac couldnt beat says he deserves more than 30
if he really wants to prove his worth as a champ then face the best challenger in the division regardless of the cost. a champ fights against all odds. he has no heart of a champion. he should take this "insult" to pac if he really up to the challenge. tell your sentiments to marquez ;)

the fact that he is a champ and a man who pac couldnt beat says he deserves more than 30
if he really wants to prove his worth as a champ then face the best challenger in the division regardless of the cost. a champ fights against all odds. he has no heart of a champion. he should take this "insult" to pac if he really up to the challenge. tell your sentiments to marquez ;)

You're not getting it.

- He has no noteable wins in the last 3 years

- He brings no PPV money to the table

- He's never made as much money as what 30% of a Pacquiao fight purse would be.


You're suggesting his pride should stop him from making a career high purse?

You're not thinking straight. These guys don't keep a lot of the moeny he makes.

It was foolish to turn down that money, especially when he's not in the position to be demanding any more.
the fact that he is the most skilled boxer says every thing he is a champ. i know pacman brings in the biggest pay day. its like oscar vs b-hop. oscar was the biggest draw so he got the biggest cut. but if it was a rematch and oscar had had a draw in the first fight the cut would be a bit closer. and thats using oscar as an example and he is worth more than pac is

if he really wants to prove his worth as a champ then face the best challenger in the division regardless of the cost. a champ fights against all odds. he has no heart of a champion. he should take this "insult" to pac if he really up to the challenge. tell your sentiments to marquez ;)
he really should. but he belives he is worth more than he is being offerd in a fight againts pac. pac bringing his people and jmm is bringing in the mexican fans. both of them are bringing in a good amount of watchers. enough for more than 30%

the fact that he is the most skilled boxer says every thing he is a champ. i know pacman brings in the biggest pay day. its like oscar vs b-hop. oscar was the biggest draw so he got the biggest cut. but if it was a rematch and oscar had had a draw in the first fight the cut would be a bit closer. and thats using oscar as an example and he is worth more than pac is


You're not making any sense.

He didn't beat Pacquiao. He escaped with a draw because of an error on a score card.

Outside of that draw, he's done nothing to earn in stock or credibility in some time.

Add that to the fact that he brings no money to the table, and it's crystal clear:

When you have something to prove, and you have a shot to fight one of the hottest pound for pound fighters in the sport for a career high pay day, it would be foolish to let that opportunity slip away.

It can't be said much more simply than that.

I have no idea why you're attempting to argue this.

He should have taken the fight, got paid more than he ever has, and tried his best to get a win, more credibility, and set up bigger pay days.

Instead he's fighting for as much money as a ring side physician makes on cards that aren't televised that no one cares about that aren't going to raise his stock.

Please stop. You're not making any sense.

You're not making any sense.

He didn't beat Pacquiao. He escaped with a draw because of an error on a score card.

Outside of that draw, he's done nothing to earn in stock or credibility in some time.

Add that to the fact that he brings no money to the table, and it's crystal clear:

When you have something to prove, and you have a shot to fight one of the hottest pound for pound fighters in the sport for a career high pay day, it would be foolish to let that opportunity slip away.

It can't be said much more simply than that.

I have no idea why you're attempting to argue this.

He should have taken the fight, got paid more than he ever has, and tried his best to get a win, more credibility, and set up bigger pay days.

Instead he's fighting for as much money as a ring side physician makes on cards that aren't televised that no one cares about that aren't going to raise his stock.

Please stop. You're not making any sense.
your not making sence either the fight was a draw. no matter what a judge claims after he scored it and i came out to be a draw. im not argueing that jmm is worth more read what i say. he is a champ and the best all around boxer in the division, he has a draw with pac. so they both need this fight. for at least a some what reasonable price.

your not making sence either the fight was a draw. no matter what a judge claims after he scored it and i came out to be a draw. im not argueing that jmm is worth more read what i say. he is a champ and the best all around boxer in the division, he has a draw with pac. so they both need this fight. for at least a some what reasonable price.


You've suggested several times that it was okay for him to pass up 30% of a purse with Pacquiao, which would have been more money than he's ever made.

You keep talking like it's acceptable that he turned the fight down.

It's not. It didn't makes any sense financially, or for bettering his career, stock, or resume.

Come off it.

Admit he should (before and currently) accept the fight for career high purse he was offered.

You've suggested several times that it was okay for him to pass up 30% of a purse with Pacquiao, which would have been more money than he's ever made.

You keep talking like it's acceptable that he turned the fight down.

It's not. It didn't makes any sense financially, or for bettering his career, stock, or resume.

Come off it.

Admit he should (before and currently) accept the fight for career high purse he was offered.
he should of taken it. but to say he didt take it to duck pacman is idiotic and thats what this is about

he should of taken it. but to say he didt take it to duck pacman is idiotic and thats what this is about

Ducking is avoiding someone.

When he had every reason to take the fight, but didn't want it (which contradicts the reasoning you've finally agreed to) he is ducking in a sense.

It was a great career move to take the big payday and to receive a shot at one of the best fighters in and around his division.

It doesn't make any sense that he turned it down, thus 'ducking' is an apropriate word in that sense.

Is he 'afraid' of Pacquiao? Probably not, but when he passes up a n opportunity to raise his stock and make more money than he's ever made, something's motivating that poor choice.

Ducking is avoiding someone.

When he had every reason to take the fight, but didn't want it (which contradicts the reasoning you've finally agreed to) he is ducking in a sense.

It was a great career move to take the big payday and to receive a shot at one of the best fighters in and around his division.

It doesn't make any sense that he turned it down, thus 'ducking' is an apropriate word in that sense.

Is he 'afraid' of Pacquiao? Probably not, but when he passes up a n opportunity to raise his stock and make more money than he's ever made, something's motivating that poor choice.
he didnt take the fight like i said he feals he is not getting what he deserves in a pac fight. poor choice yes motviated because he feels he deserves more does he im not sure. i know he would take the fight if it was a closer cut. the word ducking like its being used by the nuthuggers means something diffrent. it means that they are scared.

he didnt take the fight like i said he feals he is not getting what he deserves in a pac fight. poor choice yes motviated because he feels he deserves more does he im not sure. i know he would take the fight if it was a closer cut. the word ducking like its being used by the nuthuggers means something diffrent. it means that they are scared.

You're still not getting it.

When all the evidence shows you making a poor poor decision that doesn't make any sense, it's not a senseable excuse to say he's holding out for more money when he turns down a million to make 100 thousand.

His actions speak loudly and clearly. He's turning down a good pay day and a good opportunity because he doesn't really want the fight.

Bottom line.

I see way too many parrallels between Pac and Tito. Both are representing their island countries with huge cult like followings. Both have that seek and destroy type boxing style. Often times they're called one dimensional because of their high offensive style and great KO power.

I just have a feeling, a boxer will box Pacquiao to a lopsided victoring shattering Pacquaio's illusion of perfection like Bernard Hopkins did to Tito. Like Winky did to Tito.
That is how you feel, but your ignorance shows too much by creating this thread. It is nearly impossible for a boxer to truly dominate PAC now that he is having his newfound moves.

The intangibles just has the makings of an all time great in PAC. Trinidad had so many weaknesses which he was never able to overcome.

Trinidad had mediocre handspeed, of course he had shattering KO power, but that's of little use because he has rabbit feet. He has very poor footwork which he has trouble trying to reach slick boxers. And of course, the heart isn't really there. :)

On the other hand, PAC has the fastest hands in boxing today. And the frightening fact about it, is that it comes in about 5-6 punches in under a sec. Even Floyd couldn't match that. Yeah Floyd has 1-2 lightning quick punches, but not 5-6-7-8 punches coming in bundles and coming in at a rate of 100 punches per round. PAC has excellent footwork, at par with any of the best. That quick feet enables him to literally jump on his opponents, even if it's bigger ones. Forget that PAC is the hardest punching featherweight ever who ends boxer's careers with his power, forget that lightning left straight, forget that southpaw stance, but you can never deny the heart and determination to win.

Guys like you bloodshed will continually eat your own words and will continually get your arguments backfire hard on you. Togerther with this run guy, you'll just get your arguments slammed on your face on a constant basis. Like you did in the past, and like you will in the future.

On the other hand, naysayers who usually eats their words have a good purpose. That is, they will try to create a fallacy which isn't there, until PAC makes them eat their own dung. Please keep it up. :)

You're still not getting it.

When all the evidence shows you making a poor poor decision that doesn't make any sense, it's not a senseable excuse to say he's holding out for more money when he turns down a million to make 100 thousand.

His actions speak loudly and clearly. He's turning down a good pay day and a good opportunity because he doesn't really want the fight.

Bottom line.

your not getting the fact that if this fight happens. JMM is going to have many mexican fans watching hopeing he gets a victory over a guy who beat to mexican HOFs. jmm is a champion. he is the best all around boxer in the divison. all that againts the fact that pacman is a big draw him self. that should give marquez someone what of a closer cut

he didnt take the fight like i said he feals he is not getting what he deserves in a pac fight. poor choice yes motviated because he feels he deserves more does he im not sure. i know he would take the fight if it was a closer cut. the word ducking like its being used by the nuthuggers means something diffrent. it means that they are scared.
He didn't take the fight because he was afraid. Pure common sense. Anyone who refuses to have a rematch for some reason or another is a chicken. That's the hard and cold fact.

That is how you feel, but your ignorance shows too much by creating this thread. It is nearly impossible for a boxer to truly dominate PAC now that he is having his newfound moves.

The intangibles just has the makings of an all time great in PAC. Trinidad had so many weaknesses which he was never able to overcome.

Trinidad had mediocre handspeed, of course he had shattering KO power, but that's of little use because he has rabbit feet. He has very poor footwork which he has trouble trying to reach slick boxers. And of course, the heart isn't really there. :)

On the other hand, PAC has the fastest hands in boxing today. And the frightening fact about it, is that it comes in about 5-6 punches in under a sec. Even Floyd couldn't match that. Yeah Floyd has 1-2 lightning quick punches, but not 5-6-7-8 punches coming in bundles and coming in at a rate of 100 punches per round. PAC has excellent footwork, at par with any of the best. That quick feet enables him to literally jump on his opponents, even if it's bigger ones. Forget that PAC is the hardest punching featherweight ever who ends boxer's careers with his power, forget that lightning left straight, forget that southpaw stance, but you can never deny the heart and determination to win.

Guys like you bloodshed will continually eat your own words and will continually get your arguments backfire hard on you. Togerther with this run guy, you'll just get your arguments slammed on your face on a constant basis. Like you did in the past, and like you will in the future.

On the other hand, naysayers who usually eats their words have a good purpose. That is, they will try to create a fallacy which isn't there, until PAC makes them eat their own dung. Please keep it up. :)

pacman is great puncher like tito. but both there d-fence are questionable its not to far out to say that a complete boxer will beat him. maybe not as bad as tito was beat but still

He didn't take the fight because he was afraid. Pure common sense. Anyone who refuses to have a rematch for some reason or another is a chicken. That's the hard and cold fact.
pacman didnt rematch the 2 other guys that beat him. what does that make him?

your not getting the fact that if this fight happens. JMM is going to have many mexican fans watching hopeing he gets a victory over a guy who beat to mexican HOFs. jmm is a champion. he is the best all around boxer in the divison. all that againts the fact that pacman is a big draw him self. that should give marquez someone what of a closer cut


No, it shouldn't. You're severly over estimating the fan base he brings.

Manny is bringing the acclaim, and the money.

Take away that draw, and what does Marquez have?

You're going in circles. This brings us back to the part where it makes no sense that he's turned down a million dollar payday when he struggles to make 100 thousand.

No sense whatsoever.

A smaller purse vs Pacquiao brings him 3 times more money than he's ever made, an opportunity to raise his stock, and an opportunity to set up more and better paydays.

Anyway you look at it, the poor decision to turn this fight down with all the good reasons there are to take it looks suspect. Period.

No, it shouldn't. You're severly over estimating the fan base he brings.

Manny is bringing the acclaim, and the money.

Take away that draw, and what does Marquez have?

You're going in circles. This brings us back to the part where it makes no sense that he's turned down a million dollar payday when he struggles to make 100 thousand.

No sense whatsoever.

A smaller purse vs Pacquiao brings him 3 times more money than he's ever made, an opportunity to raise his stock, and an opportunity to set up more and better paydays.

Anyway you look at it, the poor decision to turn this fight down with all the good reasons there are to take it looks suspect. Period.
you dont think that every mexican wants another mexican boxer to beat the guy who beat leganary boxers? not just mexicans but also mexican americans and other latinos who dont have fighters of there own so they support mexican fighter

pacman is great puncher like tito. but both there d-fence are questionable its not to far out to say that a complete boxer will beat him. maybe not as bad as tito was beat but still
Still? Who? In your most logical mind. DO you think you Barrera can beat PAC. PAC has the reach, speed, power, stamina, the southpaw stance, the better chin, the faster hands, the better footwork, just about everything. lol! Plus add also that PAC is young as a stud and Barrera is old like a spinster. If Barrera can't beat PAC when MAB was still in his prime, how the hell will he beat PAC now that he has all these really sick moves in his arsenal. :)

Also, do you really think JMM can stand up to PAC. Again, reach, speed, power, footwork, stamina, chin is in PAC's favor. PAC has proven that he can beat slick boxers when he destroyed EM who has an iron chin. What's the chance of the glass chined JMM to even last 6 rounds now that PAC has found newfound moves and is STILL PEAKING.

Those are BASIC COMMON SENSE questions.

you dont think that every mexican wants another mexican boxer to beat the guy who beat leganary boxers? not just mexicans but also mexican americans and other latinos who dont have fighters of there own so they support mexican fighter


Not enough that it becomes a bargaining chip and deal breaker allowing you to walk away from three times more money than you've ever made, and an opportunity to set up more paydays like that down the road.

Nothing justifies turning down the opportunity he was offered to fight in relative obsecurity. That's what you're not getting.

Still? Who? In your most logical mind. DO you think you Barrera can beat PAC. PAC has the reach, speed, power, stamina, the southpaw stance, the better chin, the faster hands, the better footwork, just about everything. lol! Plus add also that PAC is young as a stud and Barrera is old like a spinster. If Barrera can't beat PAC when MAB was still in his prime, how the hell will he beat PAC now that he has all these really sick moves in his arsenal. :)

Also, do you really think JMM can stand up to PAC. Again, reach, speed, power, footwork, stamina, chin is in PAC's favor. PAC has proven that he can beat slick boxers when he destroyed EM who has an iron chin. What's the chance of the glass chined JMM to even last 6 rounds now that PAC has found newfound moves and is STILL PEAKING.

Those are BASIC COMMON SENSE questions.
first who ever said Barrera??????? jmm can beat him he has been working on moves what he needs to work on is his D

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first who ever said Barrera??????? jmm can beat him he has been working on moves what he needs to work on is his D
I just added Barrera to augment my argument. Although I admit it's just a side argument.

But the fact is, JMM walked out of the rematch. There is really no logic why he would turn down 750,000 dollars to fight PAC and opt for 20-50 k fighting bums. Of course, if you use common sense. JMM is afraid of PAC that's why he backed out of the rematch.

Those are simple facts which are really not for debate.

Pacquiao is not one-dimensional nowadays.

Pacquiao is not one-dimensional nowadays.
but still lacks major d skills

but still lacks major d skills
PAC showed towards the latter rounds that he has the skill to be a strong defensive player. He has the reflexes and speed to do that. From rounds 7-10, EM is hardly landing any clean punches at all.

Defense can be worked on. PAC's natural gifts can't. Either you have it or you don't.

hope not. Manny has too big of a heart to lose by blowout like the way Tito did gainst Hop and Wink. Just watch at the Marquez fight. He was gettin outboxed, but he came back in the late rounds. And a poor Pac performance at that. He only threw one hand. LITERRALY.

PAC showed towards the latter rounds that he has the skill to be a strong defensive player. He has the reflexes and speed to do that. From rounds 7-10, EM is hardly landing any clean punches at all.

Defense can be worked on. PAC's natural gifts can't. Either you have it or you don't.
isnt manilla ice something that was worked on?? the reason em didnt land much is because he was on weak knees because of pac offence not his D. the best D is a grea offence but not when your offence attackes are being blocked

hope not. Manny has too big of a heart to lose by blowout like the way Tito did gainst Hop and Wink. Just watch at the Marquez fight. He was gettin outboxed, but he came back in the late rounds. And a poor Pac performance at that. He only threw one hand. LITERRALY.
The cavalry has arrived. lol!

isnt manilla ice something that was worked on?? the reason em didnt land much is because he was on weak knees because of pac offence not his D. the best D is a grea offence but not when your offence attackes are being blocked

the reason Morales dint land much is becuz Pac had a betta defense than the first fight. The way Pac dodged his head down to the side evertime Morales threw punches is something he dint do the 1st fight. Morales dint land the jabs the way he did last time.

the reason Morales dint land much is becuz Pac had a betta defense than the first fight. The way Pac dodged his head down to the side evertime Morales threw punches is something he dint do the 1st fight. Morales dint land the jabs the way he did last time.


shyt! this is like the 324,567th post analysis of the fight :D

the reason Morales dint land much is becuz Pac had a betta defense than the first fight. The way Pac dodged his head down to the side evertime Morales threw punches is something he dint do the 1st fight. Morales dint land the jabs the way he did last time.
i would have to say it was his speed not D. speed is a big part of d but if pac gets his blocking set he wont have to worry about moving his head out in time

i would have to say it was his speed not D. speed is a big part of d but if pac gets his blocking set he wont have to worry about moving his head out in time

Pac had speed in the 1st fight too, but STILL he got tagged by right hands and that jab.

Trust me, I watch 4 average Pac fights a day. I know what I'm saying. LOL! Pac was duckin either down or to the side in the 2nd fight. He wasn't just standing there upright after he throws combination. It's genius. Morales dint land many significant punches that coulda indicate he would win the fight.

Like I said Morales won 3 only rounds. AND NOT EVEN DOMINATING at that.

Pac had speed in the 1st fight too, but STILL he got tagged by right hands and that jab.

Trust me, I watch 4 average Pac fights a day. I know what I'm saying. LOL! Pac was duckin either down or to the side in the 2nd fight. He wasn't just standing there upright after he throws combination. It's genius. Morales dint land many significant punches that coulda indicate he would win the fight.

Like I said Morales won 3 only rounds. AND NOT EVEN DOMINATING at that.
like ive always said dont really care for morales. but if pac wants to avoid an incident like tito he needs to learn to block if he gets tagged while he goes low he might get caught unbalanced and have a flash KO againts him

buddy im a big MAB fan but i know he really has a small chance of beating pacman. it will be big fight, MAB shouldnt take this fight he has nothing to prove he is already a hall of famer is he takes that fight he might not walk out of there the same. jmm might not make much money with casual boxing fans but to anybody who fallows boxing not just one guy, it will be big. if pac wins is will show that he is already a hall of famer, if jmm wins he will be giving mexico some pride back.

IMHO, Pac is already a HOF'r, but to some like yourself wants more proof its fine by me, he just needs to beat MAB, EM again plus JMM, in the case of MAB I know he is HOF'r and all time great but even Marco himself said and wanted to prove, few times back what he can do against PAC, there lies the need for the rematch, its Pac's steps to greatness he was 1-1-1 against these 3 guys the first Round, 2nd Round is 1-0-0, we still need to see the two rematches ...

I join you in your crusade for a PAC-JMM 2! I hope to see that fight soon...

IMHO, Pac is already a HOF'r, but to some like yourself wants more proof its fine by me, he just needs to beat MAB, EM again plus JMM, in the case of MAB I know he is HOF'r and all time great but even Marco himself said and wanted to prove, few times back what he can do against PAC, there lies the need for the rematch, its Pac's steps to greatness he was 1-1-1 against these 3 guys the first Round, 2nd Round is 1-0-0, we still need to see the two rematches ...

I join you in your crusade for a PAC-JMM 2! I hope to see that fight soon...
pacman is one fight away from my hall of fame. againt jmm. MAB is on there but fighting pacman is only good for him if he wins witch i dont give him much chance in, i could see him seriously getting hurt. morales is done i think his win againt pac in there first fight help finish him of it pushed him twords the end of his prime and then his 2 defeats helped him get there sooner

pacman is one fight away from my hall of fame. againt jmm. MAB is on there but fighting pacman is only good for him if he wins witch i dont give him much chance in, i could see him seriously getting hurt. morales is done i think his win againt pac in there first fight help finish him of it pushed him twords the end of his prime and then his 2 defeats helped him get there sooner

i really want to see pac-jmm 2 soon, but i dont think it will happen in 2006 maybe 2007, hopefully it wont be to late for jmm...

just wondering, how can we fans make enough noice for this fight to happen sooner???

if only jmm can ditch john and pac can dicth larios...

i really want to see pac-jmm 2 soon, but i dont think it will happen in 2006 maybe 2007, hopefully it wont be to late for jmm...

just wondering, how can we fans make enough noice for this fight to happen sooner???

if only jmm can ditch john and pac can dicth larios...
the only way i see this fight happening is if the talk about MAB vs pac 2 all talk is put down to rest. before pac morales 2 i didnt like either guy but to see pacman dominate i would love to see him in my hall of fame.

the only way i see this fight happening is if the talk about MAB vs pac 2 all talk is put down to rest. before pac morales 2 i didnt like either guy but to see pacman dominate i would love to see him in my hall of fame.

first, glad to hear you consider pac on your hall of fame, i hope more mexican fans and boxing fans in general think that...

2nd, if that is the only way, tsk tsk, now it seem to be more of an imposibility to see PAC-JMM 2 fight sooner, maybe we have to settle for 2007...

first, glad to hear you consider pac on your hall of fame, i hope more mexican fans and boxing fans in general think that...

2nd, if that is the only way, tsk tsk, now it seem to be more of an imposibility to see PAC-JMM 2 fight sooner, maybe we have to settle for 2007...
these are some of the best figheters in one of the best division would be great to see them fight. i would rather see this than any heavyweight fight or any other division.

these are some of the best figheters in one of the best division would be great to see them fight. i would rather see this than any heavyweight fight or any other division.

i completely agree ...

Win or lose, the Marquez fight only enchanced Manny's legacy and even gave him a huge benefit over his future oppponents. He gave them the impression that he was left handed happy which is mostly the case. This got his future opponents soley concentrated on that left hand. Look what happened to them? ****, Morales believed he could outbox Manny again in the rematch, look what happened? I think Marquez is a lot easier than he looks and Manny was just caught in a bad situation. He was less mobile which was noticeable(dollar socks he says), and he also mentioned he injured his left hand after the 2nd or 1st round. I don't know about that one though he wasn't throwing it like he usually does. I think in a rematch, all he has to do is swarm Marquez with his shots from all angles. Marquez seemed to **** himself whenever Manny charged into him. It was when Manny slowed down to a snail's pace as Marquez only operates, so that he could use his boring ass counter punching style to get Manny. It was Manny that made the fight interesting, not Marquez. Just remember that.

Watched the fight last night as a matter of fact....that's why I've been discussing it so frequently.

I scored the first round 10-7 for Pac obviously.

I scored the second round for Pac.

I scored rounds 3-9 for Marquez.

I scored 11 for J.M.M.

I scored 10 and 12 for Pac

So that's what you consider schooled? 114-112 for JMM - A difference of 2 rounds?

And you just scored similarly to the old judge: 10-7 instead of 10-6.

I guess Pac got beaten to a pulp eh?

No, that is NOT the purpose. I just wanted to discuss something.
The purpose of this thread could be to start a war with the Ricans........it wouldn't happen...coz we are bonded with a common foe.....LMAO. :D

The parrallel between Pacquiao and Trinidad is limited. Pacquiao is more Roberto Duran, in that he brings a hell of a lot of spirit to the fight. Tito never really outwilled his opponents, he used his technical savvy to wear down his opponents. Pacquiao just keeps coming.

You can't really compare the Marquez situation to BHop and Winky. If you can recall in that fight with Pac, Marquez was very much in a more offensive stance and he paid the price in the first round. Marquez was more aggressive than he usually does(in the entire fight) because he needed to erase those three knockdowns and he got tagged with a lot of left hands from Pac. If Pac would be embarrassed just like Tito did, it would come from an American boxer, not Mexican.

Pac got his ass so taken by JMM that JMM is running in fear from Pac. You know that for every knockdown of JMM, he had to win a round? It became nearly impossible for him to win... and he didn't by most peoples; accounts.
no...but he got his ass taken to school after the second round.

What are you talking about?

I gave a hypothetical situation and said I believe this will happen.
And when did a lopsided victory become a draw? :confused:

What are you talking about?

I gave a hypothetical situation and said I believe this will happen.


Oh this was for moy, when he quoted you.

I can't remember, at what weight did PAC fight JMM?

If Pac is awating trinidads's fate, I think that JMM would probably be the only fighter I can think of that can out box him. I don't know about knock him out 'cause we all know that PAC has a good chin.

Pacquiao is NOT one dimensional. I think that has been dismissed.

So that's what you consider schooled? 114-112 for JMM - A difference of 2 rounds?

And you just scored similarly to the old judge: 10-7 instead of 10-6.

I guess Pac got beaten to a pulp eh?

If you win a fight by two rounds....

You schooled your opponent. Plain and simple.

Marquez was lucky he escaped that fight with a draw. If they had judges that understood the simple fundementals of scoring a round with 3 knock downs, this discussion wouldn't be taking place.

Most ring side observers, press outlets, and fan polls had Manny winning that fight.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44025&highlight=Pacquiao+Marquez

I'm just trying to draw parrallels with Tito.
Pacquiao is NOT one dimensional. I think that has been dismissed.

Shed, Pac did beat a good boxer in Morales. That proves he can beat multi-dimensional fighters. But I understand where your coming from...

Oh this was for moy, when he quoted you.
make sure when you say that that you mention that i said he was outboxed i never said anything about a lopsided victory. i quoted his enitere post not just that section ;)

Yeah, the connection isn't solid as a rock... but Pacq and Tito have similar styles.
Shed, Pac did beat a good boxer in Morales. That proves he can beat multi-dimensional fighters. But I understand where your coming from...

I see way too many parrallels between Pac and Tito. Both are representing their island countries with huge cult like followings. Both have that seek and destroy type boxing style. Often times they're called one dimensional because of their high offensive style and great KO power.

I just have a feeling, a boxer will box Pacquiao to a lopsided victoring shattering Pacquaio's illusion of perfection like Bernard Hopkins did to Tito. Like Winky did to Tito.I don't agree. Pac is much faster then Tito. I know Tito hit harder P4P then Pac. But Tito was very slow, even in his prime. Pac may lose one day to a boxer, but it will never be anything like the Hopkins & Wright fights. That just will not happen to speedy boxers like Pac.

I will favor Pac over a guy like Raheem who can box.

look how much manny grew between the first moralis fight and the second. his punches were more varied and more acurate.

look how much pacs arsinal grew between the moralis fights his punches are more varied and his right hand is now a force and the crazy thing is that pack could probly get down to 122 if he wanted to well it might weaken him to much but the point is is that moralis was alot bigger than he was and barrera is bigger as well. barrera and moralis marquez can box with the best so I say he has faced his hopkins and his winky

Pacquiao is more like Ali.

Pacquiao is more like Ali.


You could not chose two more different styles of fighters.

barrera and moralis marquez can box with the best so I say he has faced his hopkins and his winkyMarquez can box, still he's no Hopkins or Wright win it comes to skills. Morales is not a great boxer at all, if he was he would've not lost like 11 rounds against Raheem. Barrera is a little more skilled then Morales, but still nothing like Hopkins or Wright.

Morales & Barrera are more like great fighters then boxers.

If you win a fight by two rounds....

You schooled your opponent. Plain and simple.

Can't argue with your opinion or even your judgment of a 10-7 round despite 3 kd's.

But Bloodshed said it better-outboxed.

A 2-point difference is not anybody's idea of schooled. Winky-Tito or Winky-Bernard maybe.

But yeah, I give it to Marquez. He's the only boxer in his previous weight class who can give Pac as much as he can handle, and if he belonged to the same weight as Hopkins and Wright, I'd put my money on JMM.

Trinidad is a great fighter who just got too greedy. Should have stayed at his weight. Yep, the same thing could happen to Pacquiao, but it doesn't diminish his standing as a fighter.

Marquez will get tagged ALL the time. He has the boxing skills, but not NEAR the defense of Hopkins nor Wright. And that's disaster against Manny. Manny will land, and not alot of people can take Pac's punch.

Watched the fight last night as a matter of fact....that's why I've been discussing it so frequently.

I scored the first round 10-7 for Pac obviously.

I scored the second round for Pac.

I scored rounds 3-9 for Marquez.

I scored 11 for J.M.M.

I scored 10 and 12 for Pac


rd1: 10-6 for Pac obviously (3 KDs!)
rd2: 10-9 for Pac
rd3~rd9: 10-9 for Marquez
rd10~rd12: 10-9 for Pac


113-112 for Pacquiao

Hopkins & Wright: Excellent boxing skills, ringsmart and defense.

Marquez: Excellent Boxing skills, but gets tagged BY A ONE dimensional Manny that night who threw literrally one type of punch.


Trinidad: Seemed lost and couldn't win rounds convincingly gainst Wright and Hop. Didn't win a round against Winky.

Pacquiao: Dropped Marquez many times in the 1st round, gets outboxed most of the mid rounds, but came back late to WIN the fight in many people's cards.




I don't think Marquez will beat Pac just the fact that he don't have defense fo Pac's arsenals. Or CAN HE TAKE IT.

rd1: 10-6 for Pac obviously (3 KDs!)
rd2: 10-9 for Pac
rd3~rd9: 10-9 for Marquez
rd10~rd12: 10-9 for Pac


113-112 for Pacquiao

No such thing as a 10-6 round unless you are a mental patient.

Marquez did well for a guy being dropped 3 times in the 1st, but he was very lucky in many aspects of that fight.

There was every reason the ref could have waived it off after the third KD, but he didn't. Marquez wend down the 3rd time, paused, and layed down on his back. That was a roll of the dice and he benifited from some lenient reffing.

He also should have lost that fight, technically, on the cards. That was a 10-6 first rounnd. Text book. The juduge that score it 10-7 was embarassed he goofed, and said immediatly after the fight if he'd have known, he would have scored it 10-6 the 1st time around.

After escaping the fight with a draw, Marquez was offered the fight twice, the 2nd time being far and away the biggest payday of his career, and he turned it down. That speaks for itself.

Manny was dejected that he threw everything in the 1st and didn't get him out of there, and was frustrated when he allowed him back in the fight. He did not get taken to school, nor should he have lost that fight.

It was competitve, and I think anyone that gave Marquez 9 rounds from 3 through 12 is being very generous to him.

Pacquiao has grown since that fight, developed more power in his right and more ability to mix up his punches. Marquez hasn't been challenged since.

Unless Pacquiao moves up to 135, I don't see anyone laying a 'Hopkins Tito' on him. He's the real deal right now, and he's improving with each fight and has just entered his prime.


i personally think your prime is 18-25 those are the years when your are in complete shape. from 25+ its only skill.

Pacquiao is more like Ali.



i hope you are kidding.

If you win a fight by two rounds....

You schooled your opponent. Plain and simple.

OMG RUNW!!! First you disown Morales....then you adopt Klitscho...now this?? LMAO.

2 round winning is schooling? What about 10 to 12 winnng rounds? :D Drugs is not good for you. :eek:

Three knockdowns and losing the round --> 10-6
No such thing as a 10-6 round unless you are a mental patient.

No such thing as a 10-6 round unless you are a mental patient.

under 10-point MUST System:

"If Fighter A scores a knockdown in a round, he gets 10 pts. and Fighter B gets 8 pts. If fighter A scored 2 knockdowns in a round, he should win that round by 10-7. If Fighter A scored 3 knockdowns, he should win that round by 10-6."



under WBA Rules:

Section 3.3 "Three (3) knockdowns in the same round constitute an automatic knockout, unless that stipulated in article 20 of the World Championships Regulations."





You're mentally retarded RunWithKnives.


as Manny_P would say :pwned LOL

A 10-6 round DOES exist.

pacman didnt rematch the 2 other guys that beat him. what does that make him?
moron!!! if he'd rematch those two guys,,, they'd end up dead!

your IQ is below sea level

No such thing as a 10-6 round unless you are a mental patient.

self-ownage :D

thanks for reminding us who the real mental patient is :D

Pacquiao is more like Ali.Actually he is more like EM,MAB, and JMM all rolled into since he has gobbled 'em up for breakfast, dinner, and lunch. Oh and I hear he wants to add Larios on his menu(lmao)

Actually he is more like EM,MAB, and JMM all rolled into since he has gobbled 'em up for breakfast, dinner, and lunch. Oh and I hear he wants to add Larios on his menu(lmao)
for dessert

Actually he is more like EM,MAB, and JMM all rolled into since he has gobbled 'em up for breakfast, dinner, and lunch. Oh and I hear he wants to add Larios on his menu(lmao)

LMFAO.

"Pac You". It says I'm out of karma....don't worry.

I'll have yours ****ed as soon as I can possibly arrange.

Morales & Barrera are more like great fighters then boxers.

If that were true, Hamed would have killed Barrera.

Everybody knows MAB is a great fighter, but he has proven time after time that he can also be a great boxer if he decides to.

I see way too many parrallels between Pac and Tito. Both are representing their island countries with huge cult like followings. Both have that seek and destroy type boxing style. Often times they're called one dimensional because of their high offensive style and great KO power.

I just have a feeling, a boxer will box Pacquiao to a lopsided victoring shattering Pacquaio's illusion of perfection like Bernard Hopkins did to Tito. Like Winky did to Tito.

A boxer ???

A boxer like 29 yr old Marco Antonio Barrera?
how bout a 29 yr. Old Erik Morales?
ooohh probly a 29 yr. old Juan Manuel marquez?

HHHHmmmmm it could happen. but were ALL not so sure arent we? :D

I'm talking about a boxer boxer. Someone with a good defensive and solid offense - Raheem. Morales is great, but he isn't as complete of a boxer as Raheem. Yeah, that sounds far-fetched, but think about it. Morales has absolutely no defense. That's what lead to his downfall against Pac. He can take people's punches as he has a granite chin. But Pac's punches and quick left hand are from another planet. Morales' lack of defense bit him in the butt against Pac.
A boxer ???

A boxer like 29 yr old Marco Antonio Barrera?
how bout a 29 yr. Old Erik Morales?
ooohh probly a 29 yr. old Juan Manuel marquez?

HHHHmmmmm it could happen. but were ALL not so sure arent we? :D

LMFAO.

"Pac You". It says I'm out of karma....don't worry.

I'll have yours ****ed as soon as I can possibly arrange.

RunW/Knives, ya need to chill homie. How about having some fun it's all camraderie around here. I throw one, you throw one.

Just flow with it. Just like our beloved sport

Peace

Pac won't suffer the fate as Trinidad, cause he has already had a rematch. Trinidad, never had a rematch, and espacly, not one right after the first fight.

RunW/Knives, ya need to chill homie. How about having some fun it's all camraderie around here. I throw one, you throw one.

Just flow with it. Just like our beloved sport

Peace

Your first post on this site represented everything I despise.

I'm going to troll you.....so you had better report this post.

i guess you didnt see what he did to EM
hence the baerly arriving
its just one fight
let him show he knows what hesdoin by doin more den once
and hes arrived

hence the baerly arriving
its just one fight
let him show he knows what hesdoin by doin more den once
and hes arrived

Pac should be doing it more than once? I guess the Barrera beatdown and the Marquez knock downs don't count? Only Morales counts, right?

'Barely arriving' is not the proper term. He's already there but he just needs to sustain it. Most boxing experts rank him #1 at superfeather despite not having a belt.

Still? Who? In your most logical mind. DO you think you Barrera can beat PAC. PAC has the reach, speed, power, stamina, the southpaw stance, the better chin, the faster hands, the better footwork, just about everything. lol! Plus add also that PAC is young as a stud and Barrera is old like a spinster. If Barrera can't beat PAC when MAB was still in his prime, how the hell will he beat PAC now that he has all these really sick moves in his arsenal. :)

Also, do you really think JMM can stand up to PAC. Again, reach, speed, power, footwork, stamina, chin is in PAC's favor. PAC has proven that he can beat slick boxers when he destroyed EM who has an iron chin. What's the chance of the glass chined JMM to even last 6 rounds now that PAC has found newfound moves and is STILL PEAKING.

Those are BASIC COMMON SENSE questions.

LO!!! This guy just keeps on getting funnier and funnier. And stupider.

LO!!! This guy just keeps on getting funnier and funnier. And stupider.
Stupidier? lol! Is there even a word?

Just look at your past blunders and you will see you are the stupid one. :)

no but he got outboxed


Originally Posted by .:BLOODSHED:.
I see way too many parrallels between Pac and Tito. Both are representing their island countries with huge cult like followings. Both have that seek and destroy type boxing style. Often times they're called one dimensional because of their high offensive style and great KO power.

I just have a feeling, a boxer will box Pacquiao to a lopsided victoring shattering Pacquaio's illusion of perfection like Bernard Hopkins did to Tito. Like Winky did to Tito.

were did anybody say anything about ko sure b-hop koed tito, but that was do to outboxing him. winky didnt ko tito he outboxed him. in what point did some one say pacman was going to get koed can you point that out for me
nah mean..jmm got floored 3 times in the 1st round..

Actually he is more like EM,MAB, and JMM all rolled into since he has gobbled 'em up for breakfast, dinner, and lunch. Oh and I hear he wants to add Larios on his menu(lmao)



you wish, the only thing pac ate was eriks right hand since it landed so damn frequently. :D

you wish, the only thing pac ate was eriks right hand since it landed so damn frequently. :DDo you not have cable T.V or something?

Hello we're in the last week of February TWO-THOUSAND-AND-SIX

Last time I checked Morales was KTFO. Morales ate more than PAC's left, he ate his right hook, his right jab, his left hook, his right uppercut, his left uppercut.

Oh and Morales also ate Manny's toe the one that got blistered in the JMM fight(LOL)

Oh and if you really did miss that fight that happened on FEBRUARY 21ST 2-0-0-6... Morales's face was so FAT from eating all those punches. He had to go down twice just to digest all the punches to make sure he didn't end up sh*tt*n in the ring

Do you not have cable T.V or something?

Hello we're in the last week of February TWO-THOUSAND-AND-SIX

Last time I checked Morales was KTFO. Morales ate more than PAC's left, he ate his right hook, his right jab, his left hook, his right uppercut, his left uppercut.

Oh and Morales also ate Manny's toe the one that got blistered in the JMM fight(LOL)

Oh and if you really did miss that fight that happened on FEBRUARY 21ST 2-0-0-6... Morales's face was so FAT from eating all those punches. He had to go down twice just to digest all the punches to make sure he didn't end up sh*tt*n in the ring



did you know that you are allowed to see other fights besides pacv vs. morales or pac vs. marco. :rolleyes:

Stupidier? lol! Is there even a word?

Stupidier? No.
Stupider? Yes. As in, the contraction of more stupid. Like when you write "lol" and mean "laugh out loud", see?

And you should've wrote "Is THAT even a word?", because the sentence "is there even a word" doesn't make much sense, really.

Honestly, you shouldn't try to test my Grammar, because, as usual, I'll make you look dumb as dirt.

In the quoted post, you refer to Eric Morales as a slick boxer, which, of course, is a clueless remark. But then I remember you're joart, the paragon of cluelessness, so it came as no surprise.

You keep outdumbing yourself like it's some kind of sport, one you're extremely good at.

did you know that you are allowed to see other fights besides pacv vs. morales or pac vs. marco. :rolleyes:Yeah it's just too bad that Mayweather would rather fight his cousin in Judah, DLH don't want none of Winky, I mean I can just go on and on. PAC is the only one who has fought anyone, anywhere, and beaten 'em.

So quit being a player hater and join the fanclub...

Who knows you might someday be the only non-asian President of PACLAND(LOL)

You keep outdumbing yourself like it's some kind of sport, one you're extremely good at.

Do us all a favor....quit arguing with that degenerate.

nah mean..jmm got floored 3 times in the 1st round..
if he didnt get outboxed how come it was a draw

Yeah it's just too bad that Mayweather would rather fight his cousin in Judah, DLH don't want none of Winky, I mean I can just go on and on. PAC is the only one who has fought anyone, anywhere, and beaten 'em.

So quit being a player hater and join the fanclub...

Who knows you might someday be the only non-asian President of PACLAND(LOL)



i dont know i like pacs fightin style and dont have anything against him. i could give pacland a try. did you sign up for that pacs free glove?

i dont know i like pacs fightin style and dont have anything against him. i could give pacland a try. did you sign up for that pacs free glove?Nah, I like my C-L-E-T-O REYES just fine...... Ain't that right Ms. Morales(LOL)

Do us all a favor....quit arguing with that degenerate.

I know. But it gets so goddamn tempting sometimes.

I know. But it gets so goddamn tempting sometimes.



lol, i know huh

I know. But it gets so goddamn tempting sometimes.Ya sound like a battered wife. What's up man you like the beating the PAC fans dish out and the way they make everybody cry everytime they lay the smackdown(lol).

Stupidier? No.
Stupider? Yes. As in, the contraction of more stupid. Like when you write "lol" and mean "laugh out loud", see?

And you should've wrote "Is THAT even a word?", because the sentence "is there even a word" doesn't make much sense, really.

Honestly, you shouldn't try to test my Grammar, because, as usual, I'll make you look dumb as dirt.

In the quoted post, you refer to Eric Morales as a slick boxer, which, of course, is a clueless remark. But then I remember you're joart, the paragon of cluelessness, so it came as no surprise.

You keep outdumbing yourself like it's some kind of sport, one you're extremely good at.
Whatever dude. Just look at your past arguments and predictions and analysis and you will see you're one of the top guys here who constantly eat their words.

Sorry to remind you. :)

Do us all a favor....quit arguing with that degenerate.
And do us all a favor also run, in the future, try not to eat your words on a constant basis.

PLEASE. :D

how much did pac offer was it a good amount for a champ or could it have been taken as an insult


The whole purse for the 2 fighters for the rematch was 1.5 Million dollars.The cut was 50-50.Pac gets 750K and JMM gets 750k.

Pac was OK with that.The problem was, JMM's camp, specifically, Beristain asked for 1.5 million for his fighter.He said alot of things that JMM has 2 belts, that he is the one taking risks...etc...etc...That amount was something that the promoters and HBO felt was way too much.

And thats the reason why the fight never pushed through.And yes, thats JMM's biggest payday.EVER...Poor guy, now he is fighting in Indonesia for a measly 31k....

who could do that to manny?

No such thing as a 10-6 round unless you are a mental patient.

Failure to know there's a 10-6 round is ignorance and insanity.

Manny will dominate at 130 for years to come, unless he pulls a Judah. He is one of the best 3 or 4 fighters in the world, and the only way I can see him getting beat in the next few years is if he slacks in his training, or if he tries to take on one of the bigger 135's. I could see him beating the smaller lightweights, but the bigger, taller ones would just be too big.

The whole purse for the 2 fighters for the rematch was 1.5 Million dollars.The cut was 50-50.Pac gets 750K and JMM gets 750k.

Pac was OK with that.The problem was, JMM's camp, specifically, Beristain asked for 1.5 million for his fighter.He said alot of things that JMM has 2 belts, that he is the one taking risks...etc...etc...That amount was something that the promoters and HBO felt was way too much....

That's inaccurate. The total purse was 2 million, 1.25 for Manny and 750k for JMM. Márquez was never offered a 50 - 50 share.

I see way too many parrallels between Pac and Tito. Both are representing their island countries with huge cult like followings. Both have that seek and destroy type boxing style. Often times they're called one dimensional because of their high offensive style and great KO power.

I just have a feeling, a boxer will box Pacquiao to a lopsided victoring shattering Pacquaio's illusion of perfection like Bernard Hopkins did to Tito. Like Winky did to Tito.

Juan Manuel Marquez already proved this! Take away that first round, and Pacman gets his ass handed to him. Lucky for him he built enough of a lead on the cards to get a "draw." He better stay the hell away from Zahir Raheem, because we will see a Winky-Tito type a$$ whoopin once again.

:boxing:

That's inaccurate. The total purse was 2 million, 1.25 for Manny and 750k for JMM. Márquez was never offered a 50 - 50 share.


It is accurate dude.Pac never reached the 7 digit mark for his purse till he fought Morales.I could tell you PAC's purses from his Barrera fight till his rematch with El Terrible.

The purse was 50-50 split.Problem was JMM was asking more since their camp claims that they are putting 2 belts on the line and PAC is risking nothing.

So the talks collapsed, JMM went on to fight Salido in the "boringest" fight ever and Pac-EM I materialized...

That's inaccurate. The total purse was 2 million, 1.25 for Manny and 750k for JMM. Márquez was never offered a 50 - 50 share.

Pacquiao was GONNA get 900,000. Stop spreading inaccuracy LOZR.

Juan Manuel Marquez already proved this! Take away that first round, and Pacman gets his ass handed to him. Lucky for him he built enough of a lead on the cards to get a "draw." He better stay the hell away from Zahir Raheem, because we will see a Winky-Tito type a$$ whoopin once again.

:boxing:

Goodness....This is one of the most debated topics ever.You have your opinion, PAC's fans have theirs, but the only "opinion" that matters are the judges'.And here are the facts.And when I say facts, it means the indisputable records that no one can change or question.

Fact number 1 = Fight was judged a DRAW.We may not agree here,but
the bottom line is it is a officially a draw.

Fact number 2 = A judge publicly, and I say PUBLICLY admitted
that he committed an error and should have
scored the fight for PAC.

Now, if you ask me, basing on those "indisputable facts", it would seem that JMM is the one that got lucky.

On a side note, PAC injured his left hand in the 2nd round.Thats why he tried to finish JMM as soon as he can because the pain was getting intolerable.And thats why he was getting outboxed because he was getting very very predictable.

Pacquiao was GONNA get 900,000. Stop spreading inaccuracy LOZR.


Thats right....750k from the purse and 150k "bonus" from Murad Muhammad...

i think we can all agree JMM won the 1st
just bearly becuz of pacs early lead thanks to the 3 KDs
BUT!!!!!!
that was a complelty diff pac
since then pac has grown and improved
hes taken on better opposition
and looked fantastic
unfortuantly the same cant be said for JMM
so in the rematch
JMM would have a much much harder time winning
but i still think he would
altho only slightly
maybe somethin like a 115-113

i think we can all agree JMM won the 1st
just bearly becuz of pacs early lead thanks to the 3 KDs
BUT!!!!!!
that was a complelty diff pac
since then pac has grown and improved
hes taken on better opposition
and looked fantastic
unfortuantly the same cant be said for JMM
so in the rematch
JMM would have a much much harder time winning
but i still think he would
altho only slightly
maybe somethin like a 115-113

That pretty much sums up my thinking on the issue.

i think we can all agree JMM won the 1st


Ahhh, no, we can't.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44025&highlight=Pacquiao+Marquez


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/dantzu/LedermancardPacquiaoMarquez.jpg


You're free to have whatever opinion you want, but if you felt Marquez won that fight you are in the minority.

Giving him the 9 rounds he needs inbetween 3-12 is very generous to JMM.

Ahhh, no, we can't.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44025&highlight=Pacquiao+Marquez


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/dantzu/LedermancardPacquiaoMarquez.jpg


You're free to have whatever opinion you want, but if you felt Marquez won that fight you are in the minority.

Giving him the 9 rounds he needs inbetween 3-12 is very generous to JMM.
3 KDs cannot make a round 10-6.

3 KDs cannot make a round 10-6.


That's so ignorant and derrived from misinformation that it doesn't even deserve a response.



LAS VEGAS, Nevada -- Manny Pacquiao could've ended up the unified world featherweight boxing champ if not for an error in scoring Saturday.

In fact, the fight judge who scored it 10-7 instead of an apt 10-6 after Pacquiao knocked down Juan Manuel Marquez three times in the opening round admitted to the mistake on Sunday.

"I just screwed up. I feel badly because I dropped the ball, plainly and simply," said Mark Clements of Nevada whose final score could've made the difference if not for the slip.

He scored it 113-all. John Stewart of New Jersey picked Pacquiao, 115-110, while Canada's Jay Gutras, whose conduct was also questioned, voted 115-110 for Marquez.

"You can make a lot of arguments that it was a very close fight, that's immaterial. The fact is I dropped the ball," Clements was quoted as admitting by the Las Vegas Review-Journal Sunday.

It used to be that a 10-6 score was not allowed, but this was in fights where the 3-knockdown rule was in effect.

"Before three knockdowns was only 10-7. I take full responsibility for it," Clemens explained. "It was not that I was unaware. I just screwed it."

Had he called it right, his card would've totaled 114-113 and Pacquiao would've automatically been declared winner.

(The two other judges both scored the first round 10-6 for Pacquiao).

That's so ignorant and derrived from misinformation that it doesn't even deserve a response.
jesus christ bozo, is it possible to make an ignorant statement without you insulting them like a child?

That's so ignorant and derrived from misinformation that it doesn't even deserve a response.

LOLZ, ROFLMAOVL at that comment o his.

jesus christ bozo, is it possible to make an ignorant statement without you insulting them like a child?

I just can't fathom why you'd look to correct something when it's clear you had no idea what you were talking about.

The ignorance was met with a blunt pointing out of the ignorance.

I see nothing wrong with that. :boxing:

I just can't fathom why you'd look to correct something when it's clear you had no idea what you were talking about.

The ignorance was met with a blunt pointing out of the ignorance.

I see nothing wrong with that. :boxing:
its hard to see stuff with ur head up ur ass.

its hard to see stuff with ur head up ur ass.


I believe jumping to correct someone when you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about is a clear sign of having your head up your ass.

Don't be mad at me, just don't jump to correct someone when you don't know what you're talking about.

i think we can all agree JMM won the 1st
just bearly becuz of pacs early lead thanks to the 3 KDs
BUT!!!!!!
that was a complelty diff pac
since then pac has grown and improved
hes taken on better opposition
and looked fantastic
unfortuantly the same cant be said for JMM
so in the rematch
JMM would have a much much harder time winning
but i still think he would
altho only slightly
maybe somethin like a 115-113No Pac should've won that fight & if you look at all the polls most people think Pac won, even the Boxingscene poll had Pac winning by a big margin.

I believe jumping to correct someone when you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about is a clear sign of having your head up your ass.

Don't be mad at me, just don't jump to correct someone when you don't know what you're talking about.
u didnt jump in to correct me, u jumped in to blatantly insult me THEN correct me, leading me to believe that you have no tolerance of any imperfections and ur first impulse is to insult; the mentality of a child.

No Pac should've won that fight & if you look at all the polls most people think Pac won, even the Boxingscene poll had Pac winning by a big margin.


The HBO poll a week or so later (I think it was the Jones Tarver renmatch) also had Pacquiao winning the fight by a wide vote.

u didnt jump in to correct me, u jumped in to blatantly insult me THEN correct me, leading me to believe that you have no tolerance of any imperfections and ur first impulse is to insult; the mentality of a child.


Would you like a tissue?

As I said, I was offended by your ignorance, so I pointed out it was ignorant, and derrived from misinformation. There was no personal insult in there, but it's obvious the degree of ignorance which was pointed out was painfull to you.

As I said, this can be avoided by not jumping in to correct someone when you don't know what you're talking about.

The HBO poll a week or so later (I think it was the Jones Tarver renmatch) also had Pacquiao winning the fight by a wide vote.Yea most polls I've seen on this fight, people had Pac winning. Also I agree with you you with the 10-6 round.

Yea most polls I've seen on this fight, people had Pac winning. Also I agree with you you with the 10-6 round.

I apreciate that, but it's really a given.

Would you like a tissue?

As I said, I was offended by your ignorance, so I pointed out it was ignorant, and derrived from misinformation. There was no personal insult in there, but it's obvious the degree of ignorance which was pointed out was painfull to you.

As I said, this can be avoided by not jumping in to correct someone when you don't know what you're talking about.
why would you be offended by ignorance? do you realize that the world is filled with flaws that you will eventually have to admit and live with?

you couldve just posted the article instead of saying how ignorant my statement was.

why would you be offended by ignorance? do you realize that the world is filled with flaws that you will eventually have to admit and live with?

you couldve just posted the article instead of saying how ignorant my statement was.

Ignorance such as jumping in to correct someone when you couldn't be more wrong is offensive to me.

I thought it was as offensive to me as the response would have been to you, but evidently, I was wrong. You seem quite broken up about it.

Like I said, if you don't like having it pointed out, just don't correct someone when you don't know what you're talking about.

Ignorance such as jumping in to correct someone when you couldn't be more wrong is offensive to me.

I thought it was as offensive to me as the response would have been to you, but evidently, I was wrong. You seem quite broken up about it.

Like I said, if you don't like having it pointed out, just don't correct someone when you don't know what you're talking about.
if you like being a pretensious *******, that ur problem. but dont go flaunting it to the world by pointing out mistakes.

if you like being a pretensious *******, that ur problem. but dont go flaunting it to the world by pointing out mistakes.


You don't see the irony in the fact that this all started when you thought you were pointing out a mistake, but that it turned out you had no idea what you're talking about?

lol.

You were wrong, it was pointed out.

Deal with it.

I apreciate that, but it's really a given.I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, a boxer. JMM is a ***** for running from Pac. Do you think JMM will make the fight now that Pac took out better fighters in Morales and Barrera? No, he's content with hiding from Pacquiao. The truest ***** in the sport, JMM.
Juan Manuel Marquez already proved this! Take away that first round, and Pacman gets his ass handed to him. Lucky for him he built enough of a lead on the cards to get a "draw." He better stay the hell away from Zahir Raheem, because we will see a Winky-Tito type a$$ whoopin once again.

:boxing:

Ahhh, no, we can't.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44025&highlight=Pacquiao+Marquez


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/dantzu/LedermancardPacquiaoMarquez.jpg


You're free to have whatever opinion you want, but if you felt Marquez won that fight you are in the minority.

Giving him the 9 rounds he needs inbetween 3-12 is very generous to JMM.

Rounds 7, 8 and 9 were JMM's. Even with a 10 - 6 score in the first round, JMM should have won the fight 113 - 112.

No Pac should've won that fight & if you look at all the polls most people think Pac won, even the Boxingscene poll had Pac winning by a big margin.

Gee, I wonder why. :rolleyes:

Rounds 7, 8 and 9 were JMM's. Even with a 10 - 6 score in the first round, JMM should have won the fight 113 - 112.



Gee, I wonder why. :rolleyes:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH! So Manny won 2-3 round in yo opinion?!

Please leave. You kill me wit these laughable posts.

Rounds 7, 8 and 9 were JMM's. Even with a 10 - 6 score in the first round, JMM should have won the fight 113 - 112.


Sorry, but a strong majority of fans and writers disagree with that.

Rounds 7, 8 and 9 were JMM's. Even with a 10 - 6 score in the first round, JMM should have won the fight 113 - 112.



Gee, I wonder why. :rolleyes:
It's just your opinion Morancito. And we all know your opinions aren't worth that much seeing as you're one of the top guys here who usually gets their arguments blundered right in their faces.

Rounds 7, 8 and 9 were JMM's. Even with a 10 - 6 score in the first round, JMM should have won the fight 113 - 112.



Gee, I wonder why. :rolleyes:

morancito doesnt know ape **** :D

morancito doesnt know ape **** :D



yeah and yall dumb**** do.