Hey guys. Great forums you have here. I stumbled across this site today and I'm very happy I did. I think I'll be coming here regularly to take advantage of the wealth of helpful information.

Ok, now to my question about weight training in conjunction with boxing training...

I was training in mixed martial arts (including boxing) 2-3 times a week but decided to suspend my training for the short term to work on gaining muscle mass. I'm currently weight training 3 times a week and am making great gains but I am eager to get back to boxing and I'm wondering whether adding 1-2 sessions a week of martial arts will have a negative impact on my body building? Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can still achieve muscle gain and get back to fight training?

I'm thinking that my options are to either just focus on weight training exclusively for around 6 months to a year to gain the muscle mass I desire, OR, slow the development of my muscle gain by weight training only twice a week and doing boxing training once each week. What are peoples thoughts on this? Has anyone had success with other training regimes?

Thanks in advance.

i was body building over the holidays while not many boxing tournys were around. my arms went from like 13'' to 15'' in bout 3 weeks and got slowly bigger after, then i started boxing training again. Bout a week later my arms quickly shrunk back down to about 13.5''. Doin weights only bout once a week. to keep it up youd probly not only have to Ma train 2-3 days a week or watever but also weight train 3-5 days a week. And eat up which mite affect ur weight classes if you have them in ur MA. Then again i was goin from weight training 6 days a week to 1 and then boxing 6 days a week and cardio makes it harder for size gain i reckon.
I still kept my strength tho becuase i was complex training. So weight training once a week isnt to bad for me cos im not looking for size gain just maintaning strength cos i have to keep at 60kg.
Best way to incorparate both is by doing your arms and shoulders on day one, back on day two, chest and abs on day 3 etc. instead of doin 1 or 2 huge sessions a week. then MA train 3 days a week to keep sharp. you dont want to take 6 months off then come back and fell like youve never thrown a punch b4 in ur life. so..yea break up muscle groups and work them on different days then u can also do MA and makin sure u have one rest day.

wha5t are the benefits of weight training?? and what are the bad thigns about weight training??/

right now im using 15-25 pound dumbells, jsut regular curls to strengthen my hooks and uppercuts.. and also using them to strengthen my shoulders...


but is there anything i should know before i continue??/

will it make me slower??

or what??

look up complex training.

I'm fighting the same training battle. I noticed through my weight training a significant impact on my strength but I've left myself with little focus on my boxing techniques. I'm slower for now but enjoying the added strength.

look up complex training.
Im interested in this... losing weight and keeping power are the very things I am looking to do, and since you are also around my weight division you could be helpful to me... ;)

What im doing, machine, is something I have just designed myself, but I feel I have enough experience in my training structure to get good results.

5:30 am Weekday mornings - 4 mile run.
8:30 pm - Boxing (Monday, Wednesday, Friday)
10 pm - Weight training.

(On the days I dont box, just do the weight training and the run.)

My weight training consists of 4x3 minute rounds, of really intense exercises geared at speed and power, but the essence of it is to only lift light weights, to succesfully achieve this. Im not going for the look factor, I just want strength, not looks. So I wont be lifting heavy weights. The ones I am using are 2kg each bell. Im not going to share my weights training workout until I have tried it... If its good ill share, if its shite, ill drop it and forget about it, as to not waste anyone's time. :boxing:

i got my own question not really with this topic.
Is it ok to weight train at night around 7-10 pm after eating dinner and all that stuff. Would the results be not as good because i don't really have time during the day.

no one is showing any love huh?

I don't understand what's the love affair with weight training. It will only throw you into a higher weight division where you may not do as well if you don't take the other tools with you. And any weight training you do is going to take that much more time away from real boxing training. Marciano never did any weight training and he did fine.

In any case, you've got to choose between weight training or boxing as a primary goal. You could do weight training on the easy days (which should be every other day) but, so long as you are training endurance, your weight gains aren't going to be that good, unless you are juicing, which will get you thrown out of the sport if they catch you.

I don't understand what's the love affair with weight training. It will only throw you into a higher weight division where you may not do as well if you don't take the other tools with you. And any weight training you do is going to take that much more time away from real boxing training. Marciano never did any weight training and he did fine.

In any case, you've got to choose between weight training or boxing as a primary goal. You could do weight training on the easy days (which should be every other day) but, so long as you are training endurance, your weight gains aren't going to be that good, unless you are juicing, which will get you thrown out of the sport if they catch you.
Marciano did weight training as a kid while his muscles were still developing so that had something to do with his nartual strength (homemade weights)

but he did other things, he put cinderblocks on his forearms and would go into his stance with them hanging and he'd weave, also he'd take the cinderblocks and reverse curl them to strengthen his forearms,he also did alot of running to build up his legs which is where his leverage came from, and finally he hit a 300LB bag

i got my own question not really with this topic.
Is it ok to weight train at night around 7-10 pm after eating dinner and all that stuff. Would the results be not as good because i don't really have time during the day.
7's a good time to train as you'll have a few meals in you and you'll be all energized up from dinner. I usualy lift either right after dinner or right after breakfast

I don't understand what's the love affair with weight training. It will only throw you into a higher weight division where you may not do as well if you don't take the other tools with you. And any weight training you do is going to take that much more time away from real boxing training. Marciano never did any weight training and he did fine.

In any case, you've got to choose between weight training or boxing as a primary goal. You could do weight training on the easy days (which should be every other day) but, so long as you are training endurance, your weight gains aren't going to be that good, unless you are juicing, which will get you thrown out of the sport if they catch you.

You can always squeeze in two strength training sessions a week and it will not cause you to gain weight as long as you're still doing your skill training and road work. You don't have to be on steroids to gain strength. I've been weight training and losing weight at the same time and I'm stronger than I have ever been. All that high rep low weight crap isn't going to do anything for you. If you want to build strength and speed you got lift heavy.

[QUOTE=yrrej] It will only throw you into a higher weight division where you may not do as well if you don't take the other tools with you.

you can keep or lose weight while gaining strngth from weight training. weight lifter have weight divisions too. you can lift like a weightlifter and diet like a boxer youll be rite.

i got my own question not really with this topic.
Is it ok to weight train at night around 7-10 pm after eating dinner and all that stuff. Would the results be not as good because i don't really have time during the day.

shouldnt be to bad your body mite love the rest when you sleep straight after

wha5t are the benefits of weight training?? and what are the bad thigns about weight training??/

right now im using 15-25 pound dumbells, jsut regular curls to strengthen my hooks and uppercuts.. and also using them to strengthen my shoulders...


but is there anything i should know before i continue??/

will it make me slower??

or what??
it wont make you slower if you nuetralize it with boxing or some endurance activity for ur arms so gain more slow twitch muscle fibers which are for endurance not strength. If you build fast twitch with ur curling and shoulder workouts then make sure and work out with hitting the bag or pushups even and you wont get slower.

I wont be lifting heavy weights. The ones I am using are 2kg each bell. :boxing:

but u have to lift heavy to increase strength mate. when ur pushing heavy its like ur brain tells ur muscles "we need more help here" and activates more muscle fibres. more muscle fibres activated more strenght gained.

but u have to lift heavy to increase strength mate. when ur pushing heavy its like ur brain tells ur muscles "we need more help here" and activates more muscle fibres. more muscle fibres activated more strenght gained.
haha duh except with that strength comes muscle and with that comes weight. Heavy arms equals less speed. If ur gunna weight train then hit the bag and do roadwork as well. Keep a balance.

but u have to lift heavy to increase strength mate. when ur pushing heavy its like ur brain tells ur muscles "we need more help here" and activates more muscle fibres. more muscle fibres activated more strenght gained.
No, I dont think that is the case... I know that if you lift low weights high reps you can do a lot for your power and your speed. I dont want to be a Mike Tyson, im thinking more along the lines of Floyd Mayweather...

I already have all the power I need, and doing weights training will give me more I believe... well it isnt going to make me weaker is it... and at the same time im defining my body muscle, and losing weight. :boxing:

I know that if you lift low weights high reps you can do a lot for your power and your speed.

You can do alot more for your power and speed if you lift heavy and explosively.

You can do alot more for your power and speed if you lift heavy and explosively.
Exactly, but that is a contradiction. If you lift heavy you cant lift explosively. You have to start on a relatively low weight and lift explosively to be able to lift the higher weights and then lift those explosively. Its all about your physical strength at this point in time. For me, mine is nice at the moment, but I still couldnt jump straight into the deep end and expect to lift them explosively, I have to start from the bottom and work up... ;)

Exactly, but that is a contradiction. If you lift heavy you cant lift explosively. You have to start on a relatively low weight and lift explosively to be able to lift the higher weights and then lift those explosively. Its all about your physical strength at this point in time. For me, mine is nice at the moment, but I still couldnt jump straight into the deep end and expect to lift them explosively, I have to start from the bottom and work up... ;)

Of course everyone has to start with weight they are comfortable with but it's when you see guys that have been lifting for awhile still doing low weight/high reps it's just a waste of time to do that. If you want explosive strength you have to lift about 70-80% of your max rep.

i have another question is it ok to drink water during a weight training workout or after? what should i do instead of it cuz i get pretty dry after a workout

haha duh except with that strength comes muscle and with that comes weight. Heavy arms equals less speed. If ur gunna weight train then hit the bag and do roadwork as well. Keep a balance.

no no no my friend u have muscle fibres within ur muscles that havent even been activated yet. adding muscle bulk and activating fibres that u already have are different things. how do you think men at say 60 kg are able to improve from benching 150% of their body weight to 200% with out passing the 60 kg limit. as far as equaling strenght with speed thats where complex training comes in.

no no no my friend u have muscle fibres within ur muscles that havent even been activated yet. adding muscle bulk and activating fibres that u already have are different things. how do you think men at say 60 kg are able to improve from benching 150% of their body weight to 200% with out passing the 60 kg limit. as far as equaling strenght with speed thats where complex training comes in.
Explain this phoenomenon to me... :cool:

Explain this phoenomenon to me... :cool:


He is absolutely right.

And you misunderstood the part about explosive lifting. There are two schools of thought on this, traditionally. 1. medium to lower weight with explosive lifts, and 2. heavy weights, which of course means less speed on the bar. Today, both schools are generally acknowledged as effective.
The point about heavy lifting, is that it is explosive, even if the bar is moving slow, because of the neural drive needed to move the weight. In other words, you are training your nervous system, to recruit more motor units. a motor unit is a nerve going to the muscle plus the fibres it stimulates to make them contract. So, heavy weights makes you utilize more muscle fibre, THAT IS ALREADY THERE, and thereby makes you stronger WITHOUT you having to grow. It's call neural adaptation - google it or something, read about it. Oh, and when the muscle encounters resistance, the first fibre type to be activated, is slow twitch, heavier weight, the more explosive fibre types are involved, so you have to go heavy to involve the really fast twitch kind.

Now, the relationship between eplosive power and maximal strength, is such that the higher max strength, the higher potential for explosive power. say you've got a 60 kg guy, who can only bench 50 kg, and you have one who can bench 100kg, I'd bet you almost anything in the world that the stronger guy would be significantly more explosive.
Of course you can be pretty strong, and be kinda slow, but generally, the slow huge slow guys you think about, when you say heavy weights make you slow, are the ones who train for hypertrophy, no t for strength. Their training is a lot different than how an athlete should train, and actually they don't lift as heavy (comapred to their individual 1RM).

Complex training is a mix of ballistic and heavy weights. I'll use bench as an example again. First you do a set of heavy weight, say 3 reps. Then you grab a medicine ball, and do the same movement, say 3-8 reps, as explosive as you can. This combines the neural drive of the heavy weight with the actual faster movement of the lighter weight exsercise.

He is absolutely right.

And you misunderstood the part about explosive lifting. There are two schools of thought on this, traditionally. 1. medium to lower weight with explosive lifts, and 2. heavy weights, which of course means less speed on the bar. Today, both schools are generally acknowledged as effective.
The point about heavy lifting, is that it is explosive, even if the bar is moving slow, because of the neural drive needed to move the weight. In other words, you are training your nervous system, to recruit more motor units. a motor unit is a nerve going to the muscle plus the fibres it stimulates to make them contract. So, heavy weights makes you utilize more muscle fibre, THAT IS ALREADY THERE, and thereby makes you stronger WITHOUT you having to grow. It's call neural adaptation - google it or something, read about it. Oh, and when the muscle encounters resistance, the first fibre type to be activated, is slow twitch, heavier weight, the more explosive fibre types are involved, so you have to go heavy to involve the really fast twitch kind.

Now, the relationship between eplosive power and maximal strength, is such that the higher max strength, the higher potential for explosive power. say you've got a 60 kg guy, who can only bench 50 kg, and you have one who can bench 100kg, I'd bet you almost anything in the world that the stronger guy would be significantly more explosive.
Of course you can be pretty strong, and be kinda slow, but generally, the slow huge slow guys you think about, when you say heavy weights make you slow, are the ones who train for hypertrophy, no t for strength. Their training is a lot different than how an athlete should train, and actually they don't lift as heavy (comapred to their individual 1RM).

Complex training is a mix of ballistic and heavy weights. I'll use bench as an example again. First you do a set of heavy weight, say 3 reps. Then you grab a medicine ball, and do the same movement, say 3-8 reps, as explosive as you can. This combines the neural drive of the heavy weight with the actual faster movement of the lighter weight exsercise.
Good post i've almost given up on explainin this cause someone asks the exact same question 2 days later lol

Good post i've almost given up on explainin this cause someone asks the exact same question 2 days later lol
know what you mean, sick of soundin like a parrot.

what about my water question? is it ok to drink water during weight training or after

what about my water question? is it ok to drink water during weight training or after

whenever its only water

what about my water question? is it ok to drink water during weight training or after

I'd encourage to always drink water during excersise, and certainly after. What would make you NOT drink water??? :confused:

what about my water question? is it ok to drink water during weight training or after
should always drink water about 2-3gallons a day...and especially when you train