Someone told me that Smoking
Joe laughed about Ali being
brain damaged and gloated about it
by saying "Who do you think really
won our fights in the long run".
With this statement he was claimin
that he was the one who gave Ali brain
damage and he appeared to be gloating
about it, please dont tell me this
is true. I love Smokin Joe he is one
of my favorites. But this is a
messed up comment if he really said it.

Christ I hope not, thats sick.

It is true...I don't know if it was that bad but I heard him say some similar things on an interview. :eek:

Yes, its true. It was on HBOs documentary on Ali vs Frazier 1

wow thats wrong. if he did say that then he should worry. what goes around comes around.

Yes, its true. It was on HBOs documentary on Ali vs Frazier 1


i cant believe he said that
he must really hate ali to
be saying that

sounds like sour grapes
coz ali won two of the three and was clearly the deserving winner of the trilogy

....He said it because Ali was an ******* who treated smokin Joe like ****. He called him a gorrila, made fun of hom by saying that he couldn't talk, joked about how dark he was, etc. etc. Frazier helped out Ali when he was down and hurting financialy after the draft dodging situation and Ali turned around and **** on him. What comes around definitely did go around.

They made amends a few years back, I saw that on Joe Frazier Beyond the Glory.

yeah ali was really ignorant in his prime alot of people seem to forget that.

yeah ali was really ignorant in his prime alot of people seem to forget that.


what? having charisma
means that you are ignorant? :confused:

he was arrogant but he had the skills to back it up

Yes, Frazier genuinely hated Ali for everything he did to him years after their bouts. Only in the last 3-4 years have they reconciled their differences. They said very nasty things to each other that no good sports should ever say.

Frazier helped out Ali when he was down and hurting financialy after the draft dodging situation and Ali turned around and **** on him. What comes around definitely did go around.

Yeah that was one thing that definitely changed my perception of Ali.

....He said it because Ali was an ******* who treated smokin Joe like ****. He called him a gorrila, made fun of hom by saying that he couldn't talk, joked about how dark he was, etc. etc. Frazier helped out Ali when he was down and hurting financialy after the draft dodging situation and Ali turned around and **** on him. What comes around definitely did go around.



so your saying if someone
makes jokes about you, that
person deserves brain damage?
i think that punsishment is too
severe. the punishment does not
fit the crime.

so your saying if someone
makes jokes about you, that
person deserves brain damage?
i think that punsishment is too
severe. the punishment does not
fit the crime.

playfully insulting someone is'nt even a crime
calling someone a gorilla jokingly is no where near
laughing at someone with parkinsons and saying u had a hand in it

playfully insulting someone is'nt even a crime
calling someone a gorilla jokingly is no where near
laughing at someone with parkinsons and saying u had a hand in it


I agree.
I sure hope
Smokin Joe really
didnt say it. But my
friend swears to God
he saw it in a book
and also on a tv special
about Smokin Joe.

....He said it because Ali was an ******* who treated smokin Joe like ****. He called him a gorrila, made fun of hom by saying that he couldn't talk, joked about how dark he was, etc. etc. Frazier helped out Ali when he was down and hurting financialy after the draft dodging situation and Ali turned around and **** on him. What comes around definitely did go around.

that is true, but ali will be remembered as the greatest hw of all time, and fraizer will just be a sidenote

So....

Ali is allowed to insult Joe Frazier's intelligence, & his supposed "blackness", but Frazier can't say anything about Ali's mental state ?

Why the double standard, guys ?

that is true, but ali will be remembered as the greatest hw of all time, and fraizer will just be a sidenote


Yes, Ali is the greatest heavyweight, & the most famous athlete, ever.

But, it's insulting to call Frazier a "sidenote".
Joe was a great fighter, a great man. Frazier played the biggest part in making Ali great, you know ?

So....

Ali is allowed to insult Joe Frazier's intelligence, & his supposed "blackness", but Frazier can't say anything about Ali's mental state ?

Why the double standard, guys ?

Apparently Ali is more human than Smokin Joe.

So....

Ali is allowed to insult Joe Frazier's intelligence, & his supposed "blackness", but Frazier can't say anything about Ali's mental state ?

Why the double standard, guys ?

there's no double standard ali's insults were never deliverd with malice
where as joe seemed to borrow the devils tongue as he
licked ali's wounds

there's no double standard ali's insults were never deliverd with malice
where as joe seemed to borrow the devils tongue as he
licked ali's wounds


Calling a fellow black man an "Uncle Tom" during the civil rights movement....isn't malicious ?

Get Ali's dick out of your mouth, & think objectively.

Calling a fellow black man an "Uncle Tom" during the civil rights movement....isn't malicious ?

Get Ali's dick out of your mouth, & think objectively.

ill try but its so big
could take me a while :rolleyes:

if u think ali was ever malicious in anything he did then i gotta disagree
but your entitled to your opinion

ill try but its so big
could take me a while :rolleyes:


I could have seriously done without reading that.

Maybe Frazier was just very hurt about the things Ali said about him. those things can hurt and stay with you. people don't know unless it happens to them.

I agree.
I sure hope
Smokin Joe really
didnt say it. But my
friend swears to God
he saw it in a book
and also on a tv special
about Smokin Joe.

well, i kind of don't blame him. i mean the reason why ali did that in the first place was that he was kind of, well... jealous. in Smokin' Joe, frazier said how when clay first became champion in 1964, in the summer of '64 clay went to the olympics to watch frazier win the gold medal. (it's an old practice, hw champ patterson in '60 came to see clay and so on, and so on.) when they talked, ali said something like, "stick with me, and i'll make you rich!", or something to that effect. i guess he meant that if joe became a top contender that he would give him a title shot and thus ali felt he would help frazier out in making joe alot of money. well, instead of that, ali was stripped in '67, and frazier went on to winning the title without going through muhammad first. and since ali had alot of financial problems during the layoff, frazier would be helping him out. now ali felt threatened by this. he thought he would be helping out frazier, but instead ali was frazier's charity case instead. so when talk was surfacing about ali and frazier fighting in '70 or '71, to give people the impression that ali still had the upper hand, he started saying these bad things about frazier, calling ugly, and an uncle tom, and a white man and all that. ali did this to convince himself that he was helping frazier out more than the other way around by controling the press and all that. and frazier just couldn't understand that. well, i kind of don't blame him, though. frazier's kids was given a tough time at school for ali's remarks, and it seemed like frazier was branded as the enemy. i'm sure ali didn't intend for it to get out of hand like that, but that's what happened.

....He said it because Ali was an ******* who treated smokin Joe like ****.

...who helped Joe make millions of dollars, who helped Joe become one of the most famous boxers in history etc.....

With no Ali Frazier would have had a hell of alot less money and fame

...who helped Joe make millions of dollars, who helped Joe become one of the most famous boxers in history etc.....

With no Ali Frazier would have had a hell of alot less money and fame
Same goes for Ali, but to a lesser extent.

...who helped Joe make millions of dollars, who helped Joe become one of the most famous boxers in history etc.....

With no Ali Frazier would have had a hell of alot less money and fame


O.K....

If someone got you a great job, but went around every day telling people you were a *** (or something) & a bum....you'd just stupidly smile & say "Thanks" ?

Ali didn't do Joe a favor, by fighting him. Theye were fighters, the best....& the best fighters are supposed to fight.

If anything.....both fattened each others' wallets & legacies.

Frazier also said he wished Ali caught on fire when he lit the torch in the '96 Olympics.

Frazier also said he wished Ali caught on fire when he lit the torch in the '96 Olympics.

sort of. he said he wished ali had fallen in the torch. :(

....He said it because Ali was an ******* who treated smokin Joe like ****. He called him a gorrila, made fun of hom by saying that he couldn't talk, joked about how dark he was, etc. etc. Frazier helped out Ali when he was down and hurting financialy after the draft dodging situation and Ali turned around and **** on him. What comes around definitely did go around.

Very true indeed

that's kinda a hata comment. And messed up at that!

...who helped Joe make millions of dollars, who helped Joe become one of the most famous boxers in history etc.....


That's pretty stupid. If anything it was the opposite way around.

that's kinda a hata comment. And messed up at that!



Thanks for the brilliant observation. That was immense.

sort of. he said he wished ali had fallen in the torch. :(
He would have still caught on fire :p

Those were some very harsh words from Frazier but you also have to realize that he was very hurt by Ali's comments about him especially after how much he helped Ali financially and getting his boxing license back. He was Ali's #1 supporter and felt like he had been stabbed in the back.

That's pretty stupid. If anything it was the opposite way around.

not true. without the ali fights, fraizer is a jerry quarry type fighter

i love both u gotta understand
when people are hurt they say some things they dont mean
im sure there is'nt one here who has'nt said something out of anger then regretted it
there is no doubt in my mind ali and frazier
have nothing but respect and love for each other

Joe was infuriated when he had the interview and i dont really blame him.
He was called stupid, ignorant, insulted by the colour of his skin, the way he looked.....He was called an uncle Tom and generally made Joe look stupid in front of the world, calling him the white man's champion and an uncle Tom.
Ali never stopped, he ridiculed Joe to the point wher Joe actually hated him.......
And the funny thing was Joe couldn't fight back with Ali, he couldn't match Ali's wit.

Joe said

"How would you like it if your kids came crying home because they were being called Ugly and a Gorilla by other kids?"

Now this is considering Joe helped Ali during the layoff, Ali betrayed him and labbeled him to just being a Dumb animal.
He turned normal black people against him, so really whats goes around comes around.

The idea that Ali was "brain damaged" as a result of boxing isn't medically proven. Just the consensus of a bunch of pencil pushers. He could just have well gotten Parkinson's if he had never laced on a glove. As for Joe, he's got a little stutter also. Old age or punched out?

Didnt Joe say "whos the retard now?"

Frazier will hate Ali till the day he dies. Then Joe will have to live with it.

As for Joe, he's got a little stutter also. Old age or punched out?
i attribute that to his fight with foreman

As for Joe, he's got a little stutter also. Old age or punched out?

He's never been the sharpest tool in the shed. He also sounds the same as he did thirty years ago.

That's pretty stupid. If anything it was the opposite way around. Other than his fights with Ali Frazier was not in big money fights. Ali was the closed circuit attraction even when Frazier was champ. How much money do you think Frazier was making defending against Ron Stander and Terry Daniels? How much was Ali making against Foreman and Norton.....

....He said it because Ali was an ******* who treated smokin Joe like ****. He called him a gorrila, made fun of hom by saying that he couldn't talk, joked about how dark he was, etc. etc. Frazier helped out Ali when he was down and hurting financialy after the draft dodging situation and Ali turned around and **** on him. What comes around definitely did go around.

I remembering hearing about this too.

Its ****ed up but ****, karma is a mutha****er.

I would not blame frazier too much: if my kids were given **** because a grown up insults me in front of the world on tv, i would hate his guts

I don't think he really means it,when asked about ali,when ali lit the olympic torch and he was shaking he said ali should of fell in the fire...when ali is usually asked about frazier he says he still... UGLY...which is def true...after hatton(spastic)...frazier is the ugliest looking boxer...

You guys are making this blown up, whats said is said, Ali said alot of **** to all of his opponents thats not very nice. Its just the way it is.

thats terrible. hes losing himself fans, fast.

This is old news, Frazier apologized to Ali few years ago. They are friends now. Please don't bring some old **** up, because Ali & Frazier are friends now.

nobody read my post on page 3? i thought it was good. :(

So Joe Frazier wasn't really an Uncle Tom when he fought Ali? He didn't do much to dispel the notion of the "servile Negro". Not that I care. He's a strong, proud man. Too each their own. But when you put yourself out there for God and the world to see, you can expect to be scrutinized minutely. Sometimes it works to your advantage; sometimes it doesn't. At least Frazier never went to jail for being who he was. And who doesn't believe Ali won quite a few of his fights by getting into people's heads before the bell even sounded, just like Tyson and Liston? Psychology was half of his game at least.

Anyway, Ali is still giving back after all these years, inside and outside of boxing. He could hide out with his condition and all. But he stands up proudly for the whole world to see, for better or worse, come praise or criticism. What the heck is Joe Frazier doing today, except still riding Ali's coattails? I don't really care about Frazier's feelings. He's a heavyweight fighter for crissake. I'm sorry his kids had to suffer through those times, though. But they didn't suffer any more publicly than millions of kids are still suffering privately in their own situations in inner cities all over the country.

What the heck. They were both great fighters who helped to define each other and the sport. They left much of themselves in the ring. Let 'em be already.

At least Frazier never went to jail for being who he was.

Neither did Ali, peckerhead. Ali spent a weeked in jail for reckless driving or something like that. That's the only jail time he served.

So Joe Frazier wasn't really an Uncle Tom when he fought Ali? He didn't do much to dispel the notion of the "servile Negro". Not that I care. He's a strong, proud man. Too each their own. But when you put yourself out there for God and the world to see, you can expect to be scrutinized minutely. Sometimes it works to your advantage; sometimes it doesn't. At least Frazier never went to jail for being who he was. And who doesn't believe Ali won quite a few of his fights by getting into people's heads before the bell even sounded, just like Tyson and Liston? Psychology was half of his game at least.

Anyway, Ali is still giving back after all these years, inside and outside of boxing. He could hide out with his condition and all. But he stands up proudly for the whole world to see, for better or worse, come praise or criticism. What the heck is Joe Frazier doing today, except still riding Ali's coattails? I don't really care about Frazier's feelings. He's a heavyweight fighter for crissake. I'm sorry his kids had to suffer through those times, though. But they didn't suffer any more publicly than millions of kids are still suffering privately in their own situations in inner cities all over the country.

What the heck. They were both great fighters who helped to define each other and the sport. They left much of themselves in the ring. Let 'em be already.

How is Frazier riding Ali's coattails?

Neither did Ali, peckerhead. Ali spent a weeked in jail for reckless driving or something like that. That's the only jail time he served.

u gotta be an alt cause u dont come out unless its something about frazier.like that merigan guy only comes out during stuff with religion. if your not my bad

So Joe Frazier wasn't really an Uncle Tom when he fought Ali? He didn't do much to dispel the notion of the "servile Negro". Not that I care. He's a strong, proud man. Too each their own. But when you put yourself out there for God and the world to see, you can expect to be scrutinized minutely. Sometimes it works to your advantage; sometimes it doesn't. At least Frazier never went to jail for being who he was. And who doesn't believe Ali won quite a few of his fights by getting into people's heads before the bell even sounded, just like Tyson and Liston? Psychology was half of his game at least.

Anyway, Ali is still giving back after all these years, inside and outside of boxing. He could hide out with his condition and all. But he stands up proudly for the whole world to see, for better or worse, come praise or criticism. What the heck is Joe Frazier doing today, except still riding Ali's coattails? I don't really care about Frazier's feelings. He's a heavyweight fighter for crissake. I'm sorry his kids had to suffer through those times, though. But they didn't suffer any more publicly than millions of kids are still suffering privately in their own situations in inner cities all over the country.

What the heck. They were both great fighters who helped to define each other and the sport. They left much of themselves in the ring. Let 'em be already.

How is Frazier riding Ali's coattails?

So Joe Frazier wasn't really an Uncle Tom when he fought Ali? He didn't do much to dispel the notion of the "servile Negro". Not that I care. He's a strong, proud man. Too each their own. But when you put yourself out there for God and the world to see, you can expect to be scrutinized minutely. Sometimes it works to your advantage; sometimes it doesn't. At least Frazier never went to jail for being who he was. And who doesn't believe Ali won quite a few of his fights by getting into people's heads before the bell even sounded, just like Tyson and Liston? Psychology was half of his game at least.

Anyway, Ali is still giving back after all these years, inside and outside of boxing. He could hide out with his condition and all. But he stands up proudly for the whole world to see, for better or worse, come praise or criticism. What the heck is Joe Frazier doing today, except still riding Ali's coattails? I don't really care about Frazier's feelings. He's a heavyweight fighter for crissake. I'm sorry his kids had to suffer through those times, though. But they didn't suffer any more publicly than millions of kids are still suffering privately in their own situations in inner cities all over the country.

What the heck. They were both great fighters who helped to define each other and the sport. They left much of themselves in the ring. Let 'em be already.
Wow. That's one of the dumbest things I've read on these boards.

If you don't care about Frazier's feelings then by definition you don't care how he feels about Ali. And so you've just posted a bunch of crap about something you don't care about. So I'm sure you'll excuse me if I choose to ignore your stinking pile...

frasier helped ali out when he dodged inscription if it wasn't for frasier ali would have had a much harsdwer timwe cxoming back

now frazier is poor and where is ali?

Someone told me that Smoking
Joe laughed about Ali being
brain damaged and gloated about it
by saying "Who do you think really
won our fights in the long run".
With this statement he was claimin
that he was the one who gave Ali brain
damage and he appeared to be gloating
about it, please dont tell me this
is true. I love Smokin Joe he is one
of my favorites. But this is a
messed up comment if he really said it.

Yes, he said it. There's a lot, or was a lot of hate for Ali from Joe. Ali, leading up to their first fight, called Joe all kinds of ugly things. He called him an Uncle Tom, ugly, ignorant, etc. Joe's kids got in trouble at school because of other kids calling their daddy names and fighting them.

See, when Ali was broke and couldn't box in the late '60's, Joe was the one that helped get his liscense reinstated...he went to Washington to plead his case! Joe gave Ali money when he couldn't pay a hotel bill.

From Joe's perspective, he helped Ali out during Ali's darkest hours and Ali returned the favour by betraying him in public....stabbing him in the back, effectively.

When Joe said what he did, on "Howard Stern Show", if I'm not mistaken, he did indeed mean it. He also says as much in his biography, "Smokin' Joe". Whether or not they've burried the hatchet since or not I don't know; but Ali really hurt Joe with all that crap back in the early 70's and Joe hasn't forgot it.

....He said it because Ali was an ******* who treated smokin Joe like ****. He called him a gorrila, made fun of hom by saying that he couldn't talk, joked about how dark he was, etc. etc. Frazier helped out Ali when he was down and hurting financialy after the draft dodging situation and Ali turned around and **** on him. What comes around definitely did go around.

Amen brother. Ali was definitely the ******* in this one.

What Frazier said, I think, was "I did that to him."

Amen brother. Ali was definitely the ******* in this one.

What Frazier said, I think, was "I did that to him."

He also said, "If you look at him now and look at me, you know who won all them fights".


And said something to the effect of "Now who can't talk? Now who goes duh, duh, duh, duh?"


Yeah, bitterness and anger. Sad really. Those two ought to be great friends for what they did for each other's legacies....to say nothing of how much money they made each other.

lol@frazier. that's hilarious

Unfortunately its true. I hear they did sort of squash their beef years back.

The fact of the matter is that Ali said some racist comments. Ali had the power to turn some of Joe's own people (which in this case is the "black people"), against him.

Joe was raised poor and Ali was not.

Both suffered from racism, but for a person that has experienced it, to do it to another, is bull****.

Oh, one quick tidbit, there was an article that said Ali was part "white”?
maybe he was upset about that too


I really think Ali was mad that Joe had darker skin and was...

Someone told me .

** Noone is gloating over your brain damage.........NOONE!

The fact of the matter is that Ali said some racist comments. Ali had the power to turn some of Joe's own people (which in this case is the "black people"), against him.

Joe was raised poor and Ali was not.

Both suffered from racism, but for a person that has experienced it, to do it to another, is bull****.

Oh, one quick tidbit, there was an article that said Ali was part "white”?
maybe he was upset about that too


I really think Ali was mad that Joe had darker skin and was...


Yeah Ali did call him an Uncle Tom and called him ignorant.