I see alot of not so good news about Viloria's fight against Aguirre. Having not seen the bout, but got to see the scorecard of the judges.

I mean it seemed like a lopsided fight one judge even scored it a 117-111 and the other 2 scorecards weren't that close either.

Doesn't sound like a bad performance to me?

It's not really a bad fight Bro.

I have posted this in another thread and I'll post this again.

Aguirre is a former Champ who defended the title succesfully 7 times. He's got 38 fights; 34 wins while Viloria has only 18 fights.

Reason why some are saying that it's not a very impressive performance by Villoria is because Aguiire being a seasoned veteran put up a very galant fight and put Villoria in trouble in some part of the early rounds. People didn't see Villoria's dominance over the opponent the whole fight. So for them it's not a spectacular win. :p

I think also most people expected a Viloria domination since Aguirre had lost his previous two fights by stoppage, and had previously lost the belt to Ortiz who Viloria demolished later in 1 round.

I see alot of not so good news about Viloria's fight against Aguirre. Having not seen the bout, but got to see the scorecard of the judges.

I mean it seemed like a lopsided fight one judge even scored it a 117-111 and the other 2 scorecards weren't that close either.

Doesn't sound like a bad performance to me?


some nuthuggers from pacland complain about villoria's performance. man! he wins by clean decision!!!! what do they want villoria to do? KO all his opponents!

have u seen the fight? in the 3rd round viloria was getting knocked around like a *****, i though he would go out in that round, he was almost out and was just standing there and not moving, he won a lot of rounds but in the rounds that he lost he was beaten bad, no one expects a KO everytime but kid need a lot of improvemnt befiore going against arce

have u seen the fight? in the 3rd round viloria was getting knocked around like a *****, i though he would go out in that round, he was almost out and was just standing there and not moving, he won a lot of rounds but in the rounds that he lost he was beaten bad, no one expects a KO everytime but kid need a lot of improvemnt befiore going against arceSounds alot like a Cotto fight to me :D

i havent seen cotto fight, he doesnt get much love from the philippines media,

have u seen the fight? in the 3rd round viloria was getting knocked around like a *****, i though he would go out in that round, he was almost out and was just standing there and not moving, he won a lot of rounds but in the rounds that he lost he was beaten bad, no one expects a KO everytime but kid need a lot of improvemnt befiore going against arce


Well that's right Villoria was really hurt in the 3rd and doesn't have the head movements to duck away from incoming punches while his back is against the ropes. That's the results of inexperience buddy and again the difference between a fighter with 38 fights and a fighter with 18 fights. :)

The good thing there is Villoria was able to follow Roach's instructions, deliver and was able to come back into the fight.

And you are right, Villoria definitely need some more improvement and gain more experience before fighting Arce. If that was Arce in there, that fight could have been finish right there at round 3. :cool:

there was an interview with his manager on tv last night and there were two reasons given on viloria's performance. first, which i think was the stupidiest ive heard, is that brian was "hesitant" to slug it out because he feared of the ruben contreras incident when he almost killed the guy. second, is that his team wants him to have some more rounds, instead of going for the early kill.

imo these are stupid excuses. i think brian underestimated aguirre and when his opponent showed some bigtime punches he got rocked and really hesistated to exchange blows. the only good news in here is that brian showed good ring generalship in squeezing out of those tight situations and displayed amazing footwork. :boxing:

some nuthuggers from pacland complain about villoria's performance. man! he wins by clean decision!!!! what do they want villoria to do? KO all his opponents!
he did win a clear UD, but it was a sub-par performance bro... it was a bad performance... not that he did not KO aguirre, but he did not show a promising fight IMO... he is obviously weak on the body...

give "jaguar" a credit.. villoria is not fighting a bum.he's fighting a former world champion. give this guy a credit!!!! pls!

there was an interview with his manager on tv last night and there were two reasons given on viloria's performance. first, which i think was the stupidiest ive heard, is that brian was "hesitant" to slug it out because he feared of the ruben contreras incident when he almost killed the guy. second, is that his team wants him to have some more rounds, instead of going for the early kill.

imo these are stupid excuses. i think brian underestimated aguirre and when his opponent showed some bigtime punches he got rocked and really hesistated to exchange blows. the only good news in here is that brian showed good ring generalship in squeezing out of those tight situations and displayed amazing footwork. :boxing:


On the contrary, I believe those were legitimate reasons.

First off, having the experience of almost having killed somebody inside the ring will definitely affect Villoria's instict. His Killer instinct that is. Remember Boom Boom Mancini? He retired from the sports after one of his opponents died. It's not that simple. The boxers mindset and focus will surely be affected. Infact these fighters should be attending a post traumatic counselling after such incident.

On the second, I won't be suprised if that was Roach's plan. Brian definitely needs a lot of rounds to gain ring experience, especially now that he has a belt. Villoria won't be fighting mediocore opponents anymore buddy, he will be pitted against the creme of the top and he should deliver. This was the same thing that Roach was telling Pacquiao before.

Well that's right Villoria was really hurt in the 3rd and doesn't have the head movements to duck away from incoming punches while his back is against the ropes. That's the results of inexperience buddy and again the difference between a fighter with 38 fights and a fighter with 18 fights. :)

The good thing there is Villoria was able to follow Roach's instructions, deliver and was able to come back into the fight.

And you are right, Villoria definitely need some more improvement and gain more experience before fighting Arce. If that was Arce in there, that fight could have been finish right there at round 3. :cool:
he has only had 19 proffesional fights but he has extensive amateur experience!!! it's not an excuse for a former olympian to not move his head because he is inexperienced... that is the thing olympians have when they turn pro, they like to move :p

give "jaguar" a credit.. villoria is not fighting a bum.he's fighting a former world champion. give this guy a credit!!!! pls!
we're not taking away anything from aguirre... i'm criticizing viloria and if i discredit aguirre (in your opinon) along the way, i don't mean that... still, bad performance

he has only had 19 proffesional fights but he has extensive amateur experience!!! it's not an excuse for a former olympian to not move his head because he is inexperienced... that is the thing olympians have when they turn pro, they like to move :p


Well yes he has extensive amateur experience Bro., but how many times have Villoria received solid blows like what he received from Aguirre? :D

Even the more experienced boxer in Morales got rattled and lost bearing after taking Pac's and Zahir's solid bombs how much more with Villoria.

Got my point?

Well yes he has extensive amateur experience Bro., but how many times have Villoria received solid blows like what he received from Aguirre? :D

Even the more experienced boxer in Morales got rattled and lost bearing after taking Pac's and Zahir's solid bombs how much more with Villoria.

Got my point?
fair enough... he has to work on his body though like manny... he is clearly hurt when he is hit in the body :p

Nearly killing an opponent will change a fighter's character.

Happened to Eubanks, Max Baer and Mancini. All of them were affected by the aftermath of sending someone to the grave, or in the case of Eubanks: the neurosurgeon.

Aguirre is also a more seasoned veteran who imployed all kinds of tricks to keep Viloria on his heels. Yet, Viloria dominated. There was no controversy.

The 3rd round put a new chapter in Viloria's experience. Now he can look back at the tape and say to himself : more head movement, need to tie up better, need to slip and clinch.

Charge it to experience.It wasnt a very bad Viloria fight.There were alot of anxious moments especially early on.Heck, I even had Aguirre up 2-1 after 3 rounds!But Brian turned on the heat when it was needed and it was a dominating win.

Lets face it, we were all expecting a spectacular KO.Mainly because we saw his last fight against Ortiz and because alot of Filipinos are still in "PAC heaven".Its like there is an illogical expectation for the only Filipino world champ to dominate his opponent because of Pacs long shadow.

His performance may not be impressive enough if he faced Arce.Yup thats true.Jorge might have knocked him out cold if he can get in those shots like Aguirre did...But thats a totally different story....

Every fighter performs differently each fight.Take Pac for example.Not many people know it, but right before facing Barrera, he got knocked down by a featherweight with a 3 win 6 loss record!!See what I mean...Viloria vs Aguirre is water under the bridge...Viloria vs Arce, now thats something else... :p

Villoria has yet to learn more moves and and he has to be wiser in the ring.

Charge it to confidence of youth but he still has a long way to go.

He is still young but he will definitely become better. He needs fights like this to test him and show that he can hold his own against good fighters. Aguirre was no punk either.

Brian still has to have what Pacman has for fight fans to really want to see him fight. The good thing is that Brian says he learned a lot from the fight.

fair enough... he has to work on his body though like manny... he is clearly hurt when he is hit in the body :p


Yes sir 100% agree. :)

I see alot of not so good news about Viloria's fight against Aguirre. Having not seen the bout, but got to see the scorecard of the judges.

I mean it seemed like a lopsided fight one judge even scored it a 117-111 and the other 2 scorecards weren't that close either.

Doesn't sound like a bad performance to me?

Bro, I was at the fight and i'll tell you those score cards aren't even close to telling how the fight went down.
i had Viloria winning by 1 maybe 2 rounds be cause he finished strong.
Aguirre was pressing the action and backing up Viloria from the 3rd round on, up to the 10th-11th round. he had Viloria up against the ropes and worked the body very well.
Viloria looked good but there was a time when i thought that the fight was slipping away from him, because Viloria started out looking fast and sharp.
the first round i was like this is a mismatch, the next thing i knew the fighters were going at it, it was the best fight of the night at the Aladdin.
116-112 twice and 117-111 those numbers are ****ed if you ask me.
Aguirre was far from dominated, you really can't go by the crowds reaction because they were mostly Mexican so of course they booed when the winner was declared
but the fight it's self was a fair match up and a lot closer than the cards showed.
i agree with the decision of the winner but not by that margin.