Vote for who you think is the best junior middleweight right now.

I say Karmazin. He's got a tricky, awkward style that seems to be really tough to beat. I think DLH knew something before when he "ducked" Karmazin when Karmazin was his mandatory.

I'm leaning towards Ike. But I'm not picking right now.

No Ricardo Mayorga :( . Im just kidding, he is one of my favorite fighters but he has terrible technique. I think Ouma is the best light middleweight, and if he fought Karmazin again, the outcome would be different.

i go mosley then ouma on that list. then forrest then vargas then quartey then karmazin.

Im sticking with Ouma, Karmazin maybe deserves the nod,but I'll give The Dream the benefit of the doubt.Forrest shouldnt even be in the running.

yeah sorry about that friend. I forgot to add him.

Either way: a list of some opponents Ike Quartey has beat at welter and junior middle:

DLH - (Robbed)
Oba Carr
Verno Phillips
Vince Phillips
Jung oh Park
Claws Espana

oh and I realize Quartey was fighting Bojoroquez in his last fight and that's nothing to brag about.

But did you see him?

He looked ****ing sharp as hell.

He fought the same guy Whitaker beat when he came from behind and knocked him out. Quartey got hit way to much to be even considered around the top. I see a tight guard and a high volume puncher causing him serious problems.

Kassim Ouma is ass. Over-rated. No punching power. No defense.

No effective aggression. Punches just to say he punched. No bad intentions with his punches.

He fought the same guy Whitaker beat when he came from behind and knocked him out. Quartey got hit way to much to be even considered around the top. I see a tight guard and a high volume puncher causing him serious problems.

yeah but come on man....

Quartey has never been known for his defense. Actually it sucks.....

He makes up for it in other areas. Like his offense, and the fact he has the best jab in the division times ten thousand.

The guy was painfully slow, and had no punch. Ike always fades down the stretch and if/when he fights a real test he's in for a rude awakening.

he fights a real test he's in for a rude awakening.

Dude he just fought Verno Phillips two fights ago. LOL.

sure he got knocked down....but he survived and won. Clearly.

Yeah, I admit that was a "test" but he wasn't a titlist OR a big test. It was a good test to showcase his skills and shake off the ring rust he had.

Trust me, Quartey is a shadow of his former self. He fights Ouma, Forrest, even Vargas and it's murder.

Trust me, Quartey is a shadow of his former self. He fights Ouma, Forrest, even Vargas and it's murder.

Dude obviously you havent seen Forrest's comeback bouts,he's maybe 1/10th the fighter he was.He gets beat by Quartey easily.


Edt:Man who the F voted for Forrest. L O L

I thought Forrest looked pretty considering the lengthy amount of time he has been away from the competition. I think 154 is a good weight for him. He certainly looked much stronger at 154 than he did as a Welterweight. Forrest carried the additional eight-and-a-half pounds well.

Winky Wright, Daniel Santos and Roman Karmazin will beat him, though. I think fights with Ouma, Quartey and Vargas would be winnable for him. A Ricardo Mayorga rematch would also be winnable as well as entertaining.

Trust me, Quartey is a shadow of his former self. He fights Ouma, Forrest, even Vargas and it's murder.

I'd have to disagree chief.

I like Vargas personally. I don't think he has the same stuff now that he used to beat Quartey(barely) the first time.

He is more technical...and that is NOT how you fight Ike. You kill yourself that way. You have to go in there and take the fight to him....or plan to get your ass dominated.

Forrest I'd give the best chance to. He's big, strong, and has a good reach that might override Ike's jab. Even then like Mech says...he looks awful as of late. I'm going with Ike.

Ouma? heheh naw man. Ike would knock him out. He's technically superior, stronger, more tested, experienced...you name it.

That's a really good post !! But you really have to factor in that you don't know much.

But you really have to factor in that you don't know much.


Yeah I think the same of you. Perception is a strange thing.

Quote from Forrest:

"I see myself taking a step down from the big name fights for right now," he said.

"In truth, I'm going into the minor leagues. I got a minor league assignment to do. I'm coming off injuries, so I"m not going to come out there and say I want to fight the best guys out there. I'm not physically able to. I want to build up my physical confidence, and with my physical confidence comes my mental confidence. And then I'll be more prepared to fight all the big guys out there."

If you could add bits of information to this thread similar to that, as opposed to ridiculous comments.....I'd really appreciate it windup.

I thought Forrest looked pretty considering the lengthy amount of time he has been away from the competition. I think 154 is a good weight for him. He certainly looked much stronger at 154 than he did as a Welterweight. Forrest carried the additional eight-and-a-half pounds well.

Winky Wright, Daniel Santos and Roman Karmazin will beat him, though. I think fights with Ouma, Quartey and Vargas would be winnable for him. A Ricardo Mayorga rematch would also be winnable as well as entertaining.

A Ricardo Mayorga rematch would also be winnable as well as entertaining.

Yes.

Forrest was robbed in the second fight.

You must of missed that post before. :)

Winky Wright, Daniel Santos and Roman Karmazin will beat him, though. I think fights with Ouma, Quartey and Vargas would be winnable for him. A Ricardo Mayorga rematch would also be winnable as well as entertaining.

Forrest loses all those by a mile.A couple of them by KO,I wouldnt even give him a chance against Santos.

Karmazin was already said to have dominated Forrest in sparring,Forrest half-denied it,half-blamed it on his injury.

What's your point?

yeah I thought this topic was compelling. I also suppose it's really late at night here in the states, so many posters are obviously asleep.

Not like this division really matters anyways. It's been missing a lot ever since I witnissed McCallum and his short reign.

mr quartey. MOsley belongs at 147 and quartey matches up well against everyone currently

if forrests shoulder is 100 % its forrest

Quartey is facing Forrest soon and Vernon will win. Vernon is a bit more thoughtful when he boxes and Quartey tends to get hit more than he should. Verno Phillips almost KO'd Quartey.

Karmazin is the best right now until proven guilty.

Kassim Ouma beats them all.

Ouma late stoppage over Vargas. Too many punches wears down Vargas.

Ouma outworks and decisions Mosley. Ouma's just as quick at 154 and bigger.

Ouma outworks and decisions Quartey. Borjorquez was able to land many punches on Quartey and if he can do that than Ouma certainly can do 10x better.

Ouma outworks and decisions Karmazin. When he let his hands go he was able to do very good and even hurt Karmazin. Ouma obviously wasn't 100% against him the first time.

The Forrest fight would be the toughest but I could see Ouma getting inside and smothering Forrest to a close decision.

Quartey is facing Forrest soon and Vernon will win.

Wanna place some E-points on that boss?

Ouma outworks and decisions Quartey. Borjorquez was able to land many punches on Quartey and if he can do that than Ouma certainly can do 10x better.


Dude are you guys for real?

Quartey has NEVER AVOIDED PUNCHES. He always gets hit, and lets keep in mind he's still ring rusty.

Ouma has nothing to get his respect...and will eat the jab then get knocked out late in the fight.

Quartey is facing Forrest soon and Vernon will win. Vernon is a bit more thoughtful when he boxes and Quartey tends to get hit more than he should. Verno Phillips almost KO'd Quartey.

Karmazin is the best right now until proven guilty.


Quartey was hit a lot and hurt by Verno Phillips...who has been a top rated 154 pounder forever...in his second fight back from a 5 year layoff.

He looked MUCH better against Bojorquez. I know he was facing a less dangerous opponent, but he looked a lot more fluid and more confident. His jab is still a thing of beauty and he found the mark with more right hands behind it too.

Quartey will take a decision over Forrest, as Ike has been fighting better comp in his comeback and will be more ready for this fight. I'll throw some points at it if you want as well.

Quartey was hit a lot and hurt by Verno Phillips...who has been a top rated 154 pounder forever...in his second fight back from a 5 year layoff.

He looked MUCH better against Bojorquez. I know he was facing a less dangerous opponent, but he looked a lot more fluid and more confident. His jab is still a thing of beauty and he found the mark with more right hands behind it too.

Quartey will take a decision over Forrest, as Ike has been fighting better comp in his comeback and will be more ready for this fight. I'll throw some points at it if you want as well.

Thank, You.

Kassim Ouma, hands down... Karmazin needs to stop avoiding it and give him his rematch.. btw, the smarts of posters really shows when Shane Mosley is tied for 2nd place as best at 154.

roman, although ouma is rolling man!!

I'll bet up to 20 Billion points on a fight between Quartey and Karmazin if it ever happens.

Dude are you guys for real?

Quartey has NEVER AVOIDED PUNCHES. He always gets hit, and lets keep in mind he's still ring rusty.

Ouma has nothing to get his respect...and will eat the jab then get knocked out late in the fight.

I see your underrating Ouma's power like most of his opponents. If he's able to land his punches as easy as Bojorquez and Philips did then he will certainly get Quartey's attention. Ouma isn't as easy to hit either. He does take some punches but most don't land flush and when they do he is usually unaffected.

Quartey likes to pace himself and fight behind the jab but Ouma will make him fight at a much higher pace then he usually does. Ouma throws 100 punches a round and he will land half of them against Quartey. So like I said he will outwork Quartey to a decision and don't be surprised when he hurts Quartey either. That's if they fight.

i also totally take ouma in that fight if ouma against quartey ever happens id bet all the points i got at that time on it for ouma to win. quartey is too far gone for ouma now i think.

These alts are something else.

I'd say whoever wins the Sugar/Vargas fight, which will be Sugar.

yeah sorry about that friend. I forgot to add him.

Either way: a list of some opponents Ike Quartey has beat at welter and junior middle:

DLH - (Robbed)
Oba Carr
Verno Phillips
Vince Phillips
Jung oh Park
Claws Espana
if he hadnt gone down in the last round he would of won

if he hadnt gone down in the last round he would of won

Lets also not forget he broke Vargas' nose and really made the fight close at the end in their deal.

That was a great fight, but Vargas did deserve the nod IMO.

That was high class stuff.

Vargas-Mosley and Quartey-Forrest should both be good fights, and that should help answer a few questions. Margarito's a big Welterweight, and I think the Jr. Middleweights would be more likely to take him on. There are a lot of guys at 154 who used to be at the top that have nothing to lose, and much to gain. See the 4 aforementioned guys above.

carlos baldomir and roman K. are some of the most dis-respected fighters today, they both beat the best guy in there divsion and they barley get recontion, when wright left LMW ouma was the man to just about everyone, roman tapped that ass and now its still ouma or ike quartey? plz