View Full Version : How come Sonny Liston...


supaduck
02-18-2006, 03:43 PM
Had such an un-noteworthy KO record at the start of his career? His first 10 fights were 9-1 (3 KOS... and all his KOS were by stoppage.. It doesn't look like a slugger's record to me. Then he won most of his fights thereon by KOs.. What was up with that? Did he greatly improve? Did he change his style?

Southpaw Stinger
02-18-2006, 03:46 PM
Some would say that the fights after that were fixed by the mob. I think he just greatly improved as a boxer. If you watch some of his earlier fights and then compare that to his later (pre Ali) ones, then he does greatly improve in strength and style.

Dempsey 1919
02-18-2006, 03:47 PM
Had such an un-noteworthy KO record at the start of his career? His first 10 fights were 9-1 (3 KOS... and all his KOS were by stoppage.. It doesn't look like a slugger's record to me. Then he won most of his fights thereon by KOs.. What was up with that? Did he greatly improve? Did he change his style?

i think after those fights he went to prison and then got better in prison, so when he got out, he became an instant destroyer!

supaduck
02-18-2006, 03:52 PM
I thought he took it up while in prison, not before.

Southpaw Stinger
02-18-2006, 03:56 PM
He did take it up in prison.

supaduck
02-18-2006, 04:03 PM
Then maybe his natural strength just increased, it happens, Julian Jackson wasn't a KO artist that early in his career either, he got stronger.

blockhead
02-18-2006, 04:09 PM
they were fake fights, like wwf. the mob built him up so they could bring in huge money when they brought him down against clay.

supaduck
02-18-2006, 04:12 PM
Uh huh. Sure they were Blockhead, sure they were.

Dempsey 1919
02-18-2006, 04:48 PM
they were fake fights, like wwf. the mob built him up so they could bring in huge money when they brought him down against clay.

for some one who likes to flame people and calling them idiots and such, that was a pretty stupid post made.

Southpaw Stinger
02-18-2006, 04:58 PM
It was more than stupid....

blockhead
02-18-2006, 05:01 PM
wow, you guys sure have fantastic senses of humor. :rolleyes:

Southpaw Stinger
02-18-2006, 05:07 PM
wow, you guys sure have fantastic senses of humor.

I know, we laugh at you at times when it's not even funny!

Yaman
02-18-2006, 06:24 PM
they were fake fights, like wwf. the mob built him up so they could bring in huge money when they brought him down against clay.


LOL at the wwf part. I agree, he did win a lot of fights based on that.

Dempsey 1919
02-18-2006, 06:25 PM
LOL at the wwf part. I agree, he did win a lot of fights based on that.

no, liston was legitimately the best hw from 1958-1963.

RockyMarcianofan00
02-18-2006, 06:30 PM
i think sonny liston was a good fighter who's record and career is over looked because he lost to Clay, and as for the KO thing it may just be that the guys he fought early in his career had better chins (which I doubht) or he may have just had his strenght go up
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Dempsey 1919
02-18-2006, 06:31 PM
i think sonny liston was a good fighter who's record and career is over looked because he lost to Clay, and as for the KO thing it may just be that the guys he fought early in his career had better chins (which I doubht) or he may have just had his strenght go up

exactly what i've been saying all this time.

Southpaw Stinger
02-18-2006, 07:18 PM
I agree with what Joe Louis and many other boxing experts said at the time. Sonny Liston would possibly the best HW out of all the fighters before him. His reign was cut short by Clay who took away much of Listons glory.

Liston was deadly though and I think he would beat any heavyweight before him. Except maybe Louis who was one of the all time greats.

supaduck
02-20-2006, 06:08 AM
I think Liston was great, his only fault was the whole "******* mobster" look he gave which boxing fans didn't like (they didn't like to think their favourite sport was influenced so much by gangsters).. Plus Ali whooped his ass. I reckon Joe Frazier might have dethroned him had Ali never existed, or if he didn't, George Foreman definitely would've.