PacMan vs. Morrales [Archive]

JaNnO

01-10-2005, 10:32 PM

ijust think that morales is too tough. he has a good chin and great stamina. his workrate is just as good as manny's if not better. it will be a good fight. i think both will hurt each other. maybe each gets dropped. im pretty sure someone goes down but morales has only been down once in his career so we will see. it will be a great fight!!

yeah that's true but morales has a tendency to brawl which is gonna be disadvantageous for him 'coz every fighter that goes toe to toe with pac also goes down. i don't think erik has faced a fighter as relentless and as quick as manny, not to mention his straight left blitzkrieg that travels at lightning speed and as heavy as iron. remember also that since 97 pac has won all his fights by ko/tko.

Link

01-10-2005, 10:46 PM

julDilla

01-10-2005, 10:50 PM

Who will it come from then :confused:

either of them, hes saying there isnt going to be a KO

Dr.Depravity

01-10-2005, 10:53 PM

Imma call bull****. Morales is one tough cookie.

bytee

01-10-2005, 10:57 PM

but any tough cookie can be cracked.

JaNnO

01-10-2005, 11:00 PM

don't underestimate erik morales. Pacqauio is moving up almost 6 pounds from his natural weight. Anything can happen. Pacquaio is small compared to other featherweights so he is gonna be really really small compared to the 130 fighters.

Personally,I still think that Pacquaio will win the fight. Injin Chi has a very similar body type to Pacquaio and I thought that he beat the crap out of Morales when they fought. If Erik couldn't hurt that guy I don't think he can hurt Pacquaio.

looks and size are deceiving tho...pac surely looks smaller but his technique is effective. i give pacman all the props in this world for taking the fight at morales' own weight level. now that's true courage amigo!

fist-of-fury

01-10-2005, 11:40 PM

Morales has the best chin 130 and under...the chances of a Pac KO are very slim.
Sounds familiar! Heard the same comments before on MAB, JMM, even Ledwaba. But that was before they met THE PACMAN!

oldgringo

01-10-2005, 11:47 PM

Sounds familiar! Heard the same comments before on MAB, JMM, even Ledwaba. But that was before they met THE PACMAN!

Well Pac didn't KO JMM...and Morales' chin is far superior to all three of these guys' chins. Not all boxers are the same fOf.

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 12:48 AM

Morales' chin is far superior to all three of these guys' chins.

Any reason for saying that ?

JOM'S

01-11-2005, 12:54 AM

i dont know about you guys i am sure the fight will be a war and EM has not faced somebody like PAC in a war and vice versa, surely there will be a KD and for me my call on this fight its either EM on points or ...

PAC by KO

Tha Greatest

01-11-2005, 01:14 AM

Its destined that Pacman will KO Morales just like Barrera...4th round baby!!!

i agree with you!

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 01:29 AM

yeah that's true but morales has a tendency to brawl which is gonna be disadvantageous for him 'coz every fighter that goes toe to toe with pac also goes down. i don't think erik has faced a fighter as relentless and as quick as manny, not to mention his straight left blitzkrieg that travels at lightning speed and as heavy as iron. remember also that since 97 pac has won all his fights by ko/tko.
i seem to recall nedel being able to with stand pacs "onslaught" the nite of thier fight

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 01:31 AM

Any reason for saying that ?
ummm hes only gone down once
they all have done down more
and have even been kod

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 01:40 AM

ummm hes only gone down once
they all have done down more
and have even been kod

Chavez hurts him. There's a great chance that he'll react the same way JMM and MAB did after being hit by the straight left.

Does he have the best chin among the 3? we will never know until March 19 :cool:

julDilla

01-11-2005, 01:42 AM

Chavez hurts him. There's a great chance that he'll react the same way JMM and MAB did after being hit by the straight left.

Does he have the best chin among the 3? we will never know until March 19 :cool:

do you think, Morales is going to let him use his straight left hand? i bet hes going to keep him off balance

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 01:45 AM

Chavez hurts him. There's a great chance that he'll react the same way JMM and MAB did after being hit by the straight left.

Does he have the best chin among the 3? we will never know until March 19 :cool:
well im not so sure pac hits as hard as chavez?
but then again
theres nothin to base that on tho other then pure hatred for pac
:D

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 01:54 AM

do you think, Morales is going to let him use his straight left hand? i bet hes going to keep him off balance
Do you think PAC will let EM make him off balance? i bet he's going to land it until EM cant take it anymore.

BTW How many pts. are you betting?

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 01:55 AM

well im not so sure pac hits as hard as chavez?

Im 98% sure of that :D

julDilla

01-11-2005, 01:57 AM

Im 98% sure of that :D

and how is that?....

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 02:05 AM

Im 98% sure of that :D
how?
they have no common oppenents
pacs only had 2 fights at 126
while chavez has been at 130 his whole career
i know u like him n all
but what u basen this on?

bytee

01-11-2005, 02:07 AM

before you bet who will win . blah blah. . .
lets try to bet first if this fight will push through . . . im betting it wont . . . any takers?

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 02:09 AM

and how is that?....

simple out of chavez's 40 victories 28 was via stoppage for a rating of 70%

PACMAN had 31 fights inside the distance out of his 39 victories for 79%

Well numbers dont lie. :)

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 02:11 AM

how?
pacs only had 2 fights at 126

3 fights
8 KD's

kepsy

01-11-2005, 02:12 AM

well im not so sure pac hits as hard as chavez?
but then again
theres nothin to base that on tho other then pure hatred for pac
:D
because pac's punch hurt like hell when he was getting me off from hugging his nuts...... so there, biatch.....

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 02:13 AM

because pac's punch hurt like hell when he was getting me off from hugging his nuts...... so there, biatch.....

:D :D PAC will carry his power at 130 its about time. and he's only 25.

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 02:17 AM

simple out of chavez's 40 victories 28 was via stoppage for a rating of 70%

PACMAN had 31 fights inside the distance out of his 39 victories for 79%

Well numbers dont lie. :)
u seem to forget this is boxing
and numbers def DO lie
what were the numbers on each guys oppenents losses
how many times had they already lost by ko
how many total kds
blah blahh

just sayin
numbers def lie
plus
once again
they were def weight classes

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 02:18 AM

because pac's punch hurt like hell when he was getting me off from hugging his nuts...... so there, biatch.....
lmao
:D
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torvix2000

01-11-2005, 03:09 AM

i seem to recall nedel being able to with stand pacs "onslaught" the nite of thier fight

Well, you just gave a good reason why Morales can get beat on cuts. Nadel withstood Pac's best shots but since he did he got cut from power shots. And we all know that Morales gets bruised easily because of the sharpness of his face. What more with his pointed nose. A nose is a sucker for Pacman's lefts.

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 03:13 AM

Well, you just gave a good reason why Morales can get beat on cuts. Nadel withstood Pac's best shots but since he did he got cut from power shots. And we all know that Morales gets bruised easily because of the sharpness of his face. What more with his pointed nose. A nose is a sucker for Pacman's lefts.
lmao
ya
u pac fans should hope that EM gets cut on the cheek like nedel so they stop the fight
but then the fight would have to be manilla for that to happen
plus Em hasnt had any fights stoppped becuz of stopped b4
why would he now?

torvix2000

01-11-2005, 03:25 AM

lmao
ya
u pac fans should hope that EM gets cut on the cheek like nedel so they stop the fight
but then the fight would have to be manilla for that to happen
plus Em hasnt had any fights stoppped becuz of stopped b4
why would he now?

Then why the heck did you give Nadel as an argument in the first place?

You said that Nadel withstood Pac's power shots. Yeah. Sure he did. But he got cut from repeated power shots. Not from lucky one power shot.

Now, Morales gets bruised by MAB's soft punches. Hehehe!

Plus, Morales is an idiot. Now who will argue with me that Morales is an idiot?

How can Morales beat MAB? Did he do it? How many times?

Answer: Morales is stubbornly stupid. He doesn't believe in the saying "1 is enough, 2 is too much, 3 is ... blah...blahhh blahh..."..

And he will make the same mistake again. He will brawl with Pac. And will go down.

The ego of his primitive neurons will urge him to.

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 03:27 AM

Then why the heck did you give Nadel as an argument in the first place?

You said that Nadel withstood Pac's power shots. Yeah. Sure he did. But he got cut from repeated power shots. Not from lucky one power shot.

Now, Morales gets bruised by MAB's soft punches. Hehehe!

Plus, Morales is an idiot. Now who will argue with me that Morales is an idiot?

How can Morales beat MAB? Did he do it? How many times?

Answer: Morales is stubbornly stupid. He doesn't believe in the saying "1 is enough, 2 is too much, 3 is ... blah...blahhh blahh..."..

And he will make the same mistake again. He will brawl with Pac. And will go down.

The ego of his primitive neurons will urge him to.
nedles stoppage was ri-fukin-diculous
there was no reaosn to stop that fight
just like thered be no reason to stop a fight becuz of a cut on EM
u know
EMs got one sweet ass jab
he prolly hits harder den nedel
so maybe hell be able to ko pac on a stiff jab

Floydmayweather

01-11-2005, 03:28 AM

If Barrera got killed by Pac and Barrera beat Morales he has to be at least the favorite in this fight.

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 03:31 AM

If Barrera got killed by Pac and Barrera beat Morales he has to be at least the favorite in this fight.

Logic vs. Styles makes fights :D

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 03:32 AM

If Barrera got killed by Pac and Barrera beat Morales he has to be at least the favorite in this fight.
jones beat barrera twice
and morales took out jones in 4
so i guess morales was the favorite too
but it didnt help morales much against MAB

Floydmayweather

01-11-2005, 03:38 AM

Thats true but i still say Pac catches Morales he will try and brawl and get hit with some big shots late.

Floydmayweather

01-11-2005, 03:38 AM

And as for his Morales style it is good for Pac.

torvix2000

01-11-2005, 03:41 AM

nedles stoppage was ri-fukin-diculous
there was no reaosn to stop that fight
just like thered be no reason to stop a fight becuz of a cut on EM
u know
EMs got one sweet ass jab
he prolly hits harder den nedel
so maybe hell be able to ko pac on a stiff jab

So, you are still using Nadel (his jab) in your argument, eh?

There's even no reason to stop Pac-MAB according to your logic.

And, EM's got one sweet ass jab? Hahaha! Barrera is the better jabber. Hmmm... perhaps Barrera's jabs got affected by the wild forest fires, too.

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 03:41 AM

Thats true but i still say Pac catches Morales he will try and brawl and get hit with some big shots late.
you guys keep talkin as if pac dont get hit
all gonna come down to whos got the better chin
and i think Morales does
only been dropped once
in his whole career
while pacs been dropped twice
and
been kayoed twice

abdiel2k3

01-11-2005, 03:44 AM

So, you are still using Nadel (his jab) in your argument, eh?

There's even no reason to stop Pac-MAB according to your logic.

And, EM's got one sweet ass jab? Hahaha! Barrera is the better jabber. Hmmm... perhaps Barrera's jabs got affected by the wild forest fires, too.
hows that logic mean the mab fight shouldnt have been stopped
ya hes been in wars
where hes dishen as good as hes taken
but he hadnt been a one sided fight liek that
there was almost mothing he could do
course that was right to stop that one

EM does have a good jab
i think its better then MABs
MAB leaves it out there too much and likes to sort of pose with it
thats why pac was so effective
morales jab is quicker and stronger

torvix2000

01-11-2005, 03:46 AM

you guys keep talkin as if pac dont get hit
all gonna come down to whos got the better chin
and i think Morales does
only been dropped once
in his whole career
while pacs been dropped twice
and
been kayoed twice

How did chicken Marquez outbox Pacquiao? Did he follow what the experts had to say? Answer: NOPE!!!

Now, if Morales followed your logic, then he's already lost. Barrera followed your logic and he got pulverized.

`STEELHEAD

01-11-2005, 03:47 AM

i hope pacman gets lucky and beats the hell out of morales. and then have barrera beat the hell out of the winner for some big money. marco will school pac second time around... if its the same marco that fought morales.

torvix2000

01-11-2005, 03:50 AM

hows that logic mean the mab fight shouldnt have been stopped
ya hes been in wars
where hes dishen as good as hes taken
but he hadnt been a one sided fight liek that
there was almost mothing he could do
course that was right to stop that one

EM does have a good jab
i think its better then MABs
MAB leaves it out there too much and likes to sort of pose with it
thats why pac was so effective
morales jab is quicker and stronger

Then give me one reason, besides saying that MAB's knows Morales' style, why Morales cannot seem to do good against MAB while MAB literally got pulverized by Pac. I mean, even an undertrained MAB was supposed to do good against someone coming up in weight.

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 03:54 AM

marco will school pac second time around... if its the same marco that fought morales.

School Pac ? didnt you hear the news ? he graduated!

hahahahahaha :D

Floydmayweather

01-11-2005, 03:55 AM

Barrera will be lucky if he does not get Koed against Pac again.

julDilla

01-11-2005, 03:58 AM

School Pac ? didnt you hear the news ? he graduated!

hahahahahaha :D

no not really, he flunked when it came to the finals (JMM) he was exposed as a 1dimensional, everyone now knows that he has to rely on his power to win a fight, Morales will take that away from him :D

Floydmayweather

01-11-2005, 04:02 AM

julDilla

01-11-2005, 04:05 AM

JMM can make any one look one dimensional. (not that Pac is not) People forget he is young and still learning. He will have new weapons against Morales and he will only improve on them if he fights Barrera again in the future. I will bet everything i have when that fight comes around that Pac wins by KO. I will even leave the site for 3 weeks. Thats how sure i am that Barrera will go down. (its his style and its not going to change now)

yes, Mp is still young and has more to learn but how can you say hes going to fight Morales with new weapons added to his arsenal if its his next fight? right now his young and inmature, Morales experience will kick in and win him the fight, hes not going to let Mp set the pace for the fight, hes going to make Mp fight his fight and not fight Mp's fight

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 04:10 AM

no not really, he flunked when it came to the finals (JMM) he was exposed as a 1dimensional, everyone now knows that he has to rely on his power to win a fight, Morales will take that away from him :D

Flunked? you're mistaken he's unbeaten at 126. Beat the 2 top dogs in MAB and JMM. he's a legit degree holder in pulverising over rated champs :D

PAC will hit EM and he will go down :D

Floydmayweather

01-11-2005, 04:11 AM

julDilla

01-11-2005, 04:13 AM

Flunked? you're mistaken he's unbeaten at 126. Beat the 2 top dogs in MAB and JMM. he's a legit degree holder in pulverising over rated champs :D

PAC will hit EM and he will go down :D

? what about...if Em hits him, he'll go down and we seen Mp go down with regular punches, not power punches, to make it clear he did not beat JMM it was a draw...

julDilla

01-11-2005, 04:16 AM

He is young but Roach is in his corner and he will grow up fast. If u watch Morales fights he gets pissed and will stand in front of his oppenent at some time. He will do that do Pac and he will go down. (He has never been hitter by someone like Pacman) Its just my opinion but i cant see it going any other way.

when i keep reading about Mp it makes believe more that his power is getting overated, all i hear is that once pacman hits him its over, no thats not the case, i can see Em taking Mp's power away from him, and yes it can happen look at Hopkins-tito for an example, everything is riding on this fight for Em coming of a loss to MAB, he needs this win and his not going to let his machoness get in the way of whooping Mp :D

Floydmayweather

01-11-2005, 04:18 AM

I cant wait for this fight. I tell u what Night Fox lets make a little bet. If Pac loses i will write Morales is the king on every post for a month after the fight and u have to say Pacman in the king if he wins.

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 04:20 AM

? what about...if Em hits him, he'll go down and we seen Mp go down with regular punches, not power punches, to make it clear he did not beat JMM it was a draw...

He's chin is still suspect. but MAB and JMM hit him and shows quite an improvement IMO.

Its a draw i agree :)

julDilla

01-11-2005, 04:22 AM

He's chin is still suspect. but MAB and JMM hit him and shows quite an improvement IMO.

Its a draw i agree :)

i never heard of no chin improvements is something you have or dont have simple as that :D

Em has been knocked down once in his whole career, i wouldnt call it a suspect chin :eek: pretty impressive

evosbm

01-11-2005, 04:39 AM

I dont know if he can ko Morales he has a great chin but i think Morales will try to test Pacmans power in the mid rounds and go down.
i dont think EM is that dumb to test Pac's power in mid round and go down. he saw how serious Pac's power is through MAB and JMM. he wont let himself go donw like the others but he just cant escape Pac's swarming attacks. ;)

evosbm

01-11-2005, 04:46 AM

ijust think that morales is too tough. he has a good chin and great stamina. his workrate is just as good as manny's if not better. it will be a good fight. i think both will hurt each other. maybe each gets dropped. im pretty sure someone goes down but morales has only been down once in his career so we will see. it will be a great fight!!
EM has great chin but he wont go down coz of his strong chin. he will go down coz his whole body just wont stand Pac's power. remember how MAB fell for Pac in the 3rd round? coz of the strong left straight, his body just gets out of balance and fell. but when EM accumulated lots of body punches in the middle round, he will fall again like MAB. i can see Pac-EM will be like Pac-MAB the repeat. ;)

evosbm

01-11-2005, 04:58 AM

Morales has the best chin 130 and under...the chances of a Pac KO are very slim.
EM's solid chin vs Pac's solid power punch! sounds like Pac has the edge there. a perfect uppercut is a weapon that very few chin could withstand. but an uppercut combined with a powerPAC speed is just unbearable. MAB and JMM only experienced the straight left. but it'll be EM who'll first taste the new weapons Pac just acquired. i think that is exactly the reason why JMM tried to make way not to face Pacman again. he's just so afraid he wont wakeup again after he taste Pac's left uppercut.

nadz

01-11-2005, 05:06 AM

i never heard of no chin improvements is something you have or dont have simple as that :D

Em has been knocked down once in his whole career, i wouldnt call it a suspect chin :eek: pretty impressive
And you find out that this is the second and the last in his entire carreer :D

miron_lang

01-11-2005, 05:39 AM

i never heard of no chin improvements is something you have or dont have simple as that :D

Em has been knocked down once in his whole career, i wouldnt call it a suspect chin :eek: pretty impressive

Well if your natural weight is 130 and your fighting at 112 and being kayoed, Dont you think your chin will improve if you'll fight on your natural weight?

chito

01-11-2005, 06:25 AM

before you bet who will win . blah blah. . .
lets try to bet first if this fight will push through . . . im betting it wont . . . any takers?

im betting it would push through, how much?

evosbm

01-11-2005, 06:28 AM

Well if your natural weight is 130 and your fighting at 112 and being kayoed, Dont you think your chin will improve if you'll fight on your natural weight?
i do think so. Pac was young then. developing muscles and bones could be a factor.

ELPacman

01-11-2005, 07:15 AM

Hahah this is great. Definitely will be hundred threads on vs Morales now. I will say Pacman will KO Morales because now he has more time to prepare and Morales was like the last man standing for Manny. He's going to prepare harder than ever(probably more than vs Barrera) to make sure he's got this win secure. I see Morales losing vs KO in late rounds.

evosbm

01-11-2005, 07:46 AM

Marjoh

01-11-2005, 08:02 AM

A KO by Pac is probable because Morales' style is well suit for Pac. Unlike JMM, Morales would come forward. So it's safe to say that this going to be a war. But within the half rounds? Probably not. Remember that unlike Morales, this is Pac's first time in this division. Though he will probably have the power advantage, or even more, but speed is also a factor.

I say Pac very late stoppage or UD.

DR. FREECLOUD

01-11-2005, 08:44 AM

a knockdown is highly probable..

on what round?

i'll leave it to the PACMAN..

hey whats pilipino? its in your sig.

DR. FREECLOUD

01-11-2005, 08:45 AM

yeah. am pretty sure EM just wont stand a chance to a 100% Pcman. the only way he can win is by an administrative gift or Pac on an accident.

do you mean like wearing cheap socks? or hurting those frail hands?

lapulapu

01-11-2005, 12:54 PM

do you mean like wearing cheap socks? or hurting those frail hands?

compared to Barrera, Morales is easier to knock out!!! EM has to give up his belt to a worn out Barrera. MP will show EM the meaning of worn out.

`STEELHEAD

01-11-2005, 02:34 PM

Then give me one reason, besides saying that MAB's knows Morales' style, why Morales cannot seem to do good against MAB while MAB literally got pulverized by Pac. I mean, even an undertrained MAB was supposed to do good against someone coming up in weight.

concerning that pac/mab fight that everyone points to. marco was going thru a bad time training. there were rumors that plate in his head was giving him problems although you heard no excuses from marco. pac was the better fighter that night. but when they meet again the experienced marco will make amens.
tell me pac fans. do you think the barrera that beat morales this last time could beat mp?
i cant wait for this pac/morales fight. we will see if roach's expertise can be absorbed by manny. he will need it against a smarter morales.

ELPacman

01-11-2005, 03:00 PM

Ya know I been thinking. I don't think Roach will let Manny fight at that weight if he doesn't retain his speed/power. He knows that is what gives the edge for Manny vs all these elite guys. Just look at Marquez. It would take a crazy boxer to defeat him. Though when Manny has the crazy speed/power, he can sorta bypass the boxing part and try for a KO. I don't think Roach will prefer Manny at a weight he knows is not well suit for him. I sure hope Manny can retain the speed/power. It seems he gets stronger as he goes up in weight. His decision fights were like at flyweight, then he KOed people like crazy at Bantamweight. He Koed everyone at featherweight. I can't see it going downhill.

m00ks

01-11-2005, 03:29 PM

when i keep reading about Mp it makes believe more that his power is getting overated, all i hear is that once pacman hits him its over, no thats not the case, i can see Em taking Mp's power away from him, and yes it can happen look at Hopkins-tito for an example, everything is riding on this fight for Em coming of a loss to MAB, he needs this win and his not going to let his machoness get in the way of whooping Mp :D

Well I'll tell you why all this talk about his "power". HIs last win on points was in 1997. He knocked down the 2 featherweight kings, in which both have never been down as early as Pac put them in. The guy is strong. Barerra even admitted. If you say his power is overrated, your don't know ****.

Great

01-11-2005, 03:38 PM

Morales by UD.

m00ks

01-11-2005, 03:40 PM

concerning that pac/mab fight that everyone points to. marco was going thru a bad time training. there were rumors that plate in his head was giving him problems although you heard no excuses from marco. pac was the better fighter that night. but when they meet again the experienced marco will make amens.
tell me pac fans. do you think the barrera that beat morales this last time could beat mp?
i cant wait for this pac/morales fight. we will see if roach's expertise can be absorbed by manny. he will need it against a smarter morales.

LOL No excuses?!? What ever happened to "a bad night" and all the other excuses he used with his interview with Merchant post fight.
The Barrera that beat Morales has a better chance but I saw the guy take some rounds off and that's a no no against Pac. You givem the oppurtunity to pounce on you and you'll find yourself swimming in his punches.

m00ks

01-11-2005, 03:42 PM

bigdlb12

01-11-2005, 05:01 PM

hell Manny can do it in one round, its just all up to him to see if it could be done,Manny picked apart MAB and it took him 11 rounds, JMM was KD 3 times and almost out in the 1st but then went off to fight for 12 rounds for a BS draw and Morales has tasted the canvas once vs MAb and Manny has been down and out, I guess it all depends on what type of fighter we see that night, to me Manny always comes focus, even in the JMM fight and Morales in the last MAB fight looked ****y

VPDJ

01-11-2005, 06:03 PM

This would be a great fight. But I know that Pacquiao has more edge here. Morales is the easier foe for Pac than Marquez. Pacman by KD on the 5th.

THRILLAinmanila

01-11-2005, 06:19 PM

Its rumored that Pac may be earning north of 1.5 to 1.75M inclusive of his share of pay per view earnings...
If this happens then the change of opponents has actually turned out for the better for Pacman. :)

riz

01-11-2005, 06:44 PM

i like both fighters.
pac is amazing power and speed, but chin....... could be a bit questionable, hes been down a few times. morales tho has only beend down once. great power and speed also.

close fight, fight of the year i think.
morales on a decision, or late tko
at least one KD during the fight.
n plz sum1 PUT THIS ON A BOXING STREAM

MlLkMan

01-11-2005, 06:59 PM

Pacman by KO in the middle rounds.

Powerpunch4u

01-11-2005, 07:28 PM

Reasons why Pacman fans shouldn't be so confident:

1. Moving up in weight lessens punching power and slows you down.
2. Morales can just guard his right side and constantly pace to the left to avoid Manny's crushing left powerpunch.
3. Morales is no pushover and has good power himself.
4. Morales has way longer reach.
5. Morales has a strong chin and unlike Manny has never been out for the count.
etc....
Mexican power!!!!!!

trinidadpr87

01-11-2005, 07:31 PM

i predict this fight will be a ppv.thats all i will predict.

Dark Destroyer

01-11-2005, 07:33 PM

THRILLAinmanila

01-11-2005, 07:48 PM

nelsoncm

01-11-2005, 07:56 PM

Larry Merchant on Pacquiao vs. Ledwaba: "There is a weariness in Ledwaba (after the fifth round bell.)
dela Hoya on Pacquiao vs. Barrera: "He wasn't himself that night."

Conclusion: No one can remain in the same state of mind after absorbing a devastating punch.

SalvaDominicano

01-11-2005, 08:10 PM

chito

01-11-2005, 08:18 PM

one thing i know for sure if pacquiao maintains his speed and power he has a great chance of beating morales. but it's a big question. going up in weight by 5 lbs or more could spell the difference here!

VPDJ

01-11-2005, 08:34 PM

he speaks the truth.

I think going up in weight by 5 lbs. is not that of a big difference. And I think Pacman during fight time is a natural 130 pounder. He said that before on one of his interviews.
Pacquiao will KD Erik and I'm 95% sure of this. :D

ELPacman

01-11-2005, 08:36 PM

Manny has retained his power everytime he's gone up in weight and seemed to become stronger. His KO rate when up as he went up in weight. His last KO victim, Mr. Fahsan was lifted off his feet slightly by that uppercut before dropping like a lifeless tree. I don't see Manny losing his power going up a measly 5lbs though rather getting stronger. All I know is if we see the Morales that fought Barrera III fight Manny, Morales should mark his spot that he wants to land on before he gets in the ring.

Powerpunch4u

01-11-2005, 08:58 PM

5 pounds is a lot for skinny little guys like Pacman. For a heavyweight 5 pounds is nothing, but for little guys 5 pounds is a bigger percentage of their body. By the way, those 5 pounds gained will probably be fat since its imposible gain 5 pounds of muscle in 2 months. Don't forget Pacman is just a forward coming fighter like Trinidad. After Marquez swithched strategy by the 2nd round, Pacman was rendered harmless and was almost finished by Marquez. All that Marquez did was raise his right hand and move left to avoid Pacman's left straight. If you see that fight again, Marquez was just brilliantly going in circlesto the left. I give Marquez a lot of credit for being so smart in spite of his pain. I see a repeat of Barrera vs Prince Hammed in this fight, where Morales outboxes technic defficient Pacwoman.

Powerpunch4u

01-11-2005, 08:59 PM

5 pounds is a lot for skinny little guys like Pacman. For a heavyweight 5 pounds is nothing, but for little guys 5 pounds is a bigger percentage of their body. By the way, those 5 pounds gained will probably be fat since its imposible gain 5 pounds of muscle in 2 months. Don't forget Pacman is just a forward coming fighter like Trinidad. After Marquez swithched strategy by the 2nd round, Pacman was rendered harmless and was almost finished by Marquez. All that Marquez did was raise his right hand and move left to avoid Pacman's left straight. If you see that fight again, Marquez was just brilliantly going in circles to the left. I give Marquez a lot of credit for being so smart in spite of his pain. I see a repeat of Barrera vs Prince Hammed in this fight, where Morales outboxes technic defficient Pacwoman.

kadyo

01-11-2005, 09:06 PM

Moving up by 5 lbs is a welcome news for pac whose dream fight after MAB is against Eric. Style makes fight and EM style is tailor made for pac's power punches. Of course EM will know what to do come fight time because he is an intelligent fighter but MAB is also an intelligent fighter and look what happened.

Powerpunch4u

01-11-2005, 09:23 PM

MAB is intelligent but decided to trade against Pacman and was outgunned, MAB didn't do the same against Prince Hammmed and Morales won't either. If Morales decides to go trade with Pacman he will be KOd, but by now any decent fighter should know better than to try to outpunch Pacman. Pacman in-shape is an unstoppable tazmanian devil. Today, Freddie Roach said that Manny conditioning was bad and time was not on their side. I have a feeling Pacman wont in shape and for sure be slower 5 pounds fatter. Pacman says he is glad to go up 5 pounds because thats what out of shape fighters like ODLH claim before a fight. anyone who knows anything about sports knows that 5 pounds is not so good considering this is not the first time he goes up in weight.
El Terrible,by no surpise, wins decisively!!!

Powerpunch4u

01-11-2005, 09:27 PM

Silencer

01-11-2005, 09:38 PM

Huh? MAB traded with Pacman? Well, in the first and 2nd rounds. After that no more. He tried to box to no avail.

If you want to beat Pac then have all the luck you can get. Pac can be caught by flush shots and it can bring him down. JMM caught Pacquiao flush with some of his most powerful punches and Pacman just blinked them off.

Now, if you can't get lucky... then you must BOX PERFECTLY! If you don't you'll end up getting knocked down costing you some precious points. And worse, getting knocked out.

Now, about Morales. He perfectly knew that he will do well against Mab if he boxes him. But WHY THE FOUCK didn't he box with MAB. He tried to trade with MAB. Look what happened.

Morales is probably the most stubborn great in the lower weight divisions.

He can box. But he can't box perfectly like Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez lost focus once and look what happened. After that Marquez showed perfect focus and Pacquiao still managed to land a lot of punches.

If only Morales can convert some of his offensive armaments to defense, then he's got a better chance. Remember, there's not much need for offensive armaments because Pacquiao will come to him.

Powerpunch4u

01-11-2005, 09:47 PM

JMM totally outboxed and outpunched Pacman for 11 rounds and it wasn't because of your focusing theory. He simply raised his right hand high and moved left. No big mistery. Pacman is too predictable and he will be KOd or silenced for you....

kadyo

01-11-2005, 09:48 PM

Morales style is boxer/puncher.
Pacman is forward coming puncher period.
Morales is the superior fighter in this match-up.
Great fight to get back on top.
Morales can outbox and keep Pacman in check with his way longer jabs.

Hope he can do that all night cause that's the only way he'd win and the moment he goes back to his usual fighting style of trading punches against an opponent, then he might get caught up by that dreaded left straight and he might hit the canvas with his beautiful nose bleeding.

m00ks

01-11-2005, 09:51 PM

m00ks

01-11-2005, 09:54 PM

whdempsey

01-12-2005, 12:47 AM

Its destined that Pacman will KO Morales just like Barrera...4th round baby!!!
That's unlikely to say the least. I disagree.

Floydmayweather

01-12-2005, 02:19 AM

Pac knows he is being figured out thats why he is working on his right hook and uppercuts, and a more effective jab, we saw a sample against 3k. He will have improved on that when he fights Morales. Pac will carry his power up in weight and may actually be stronger because the weight difference is not huge. I dont discredit Morales he is a great fighter but i just have a feeling he is going to stand toe to toe with pac sometime in the fight and he will go to sleep.

dodge

01-12-2005, 02:28 AM

Morales by Tko 3.

torvix2000

01-12-2005, 03:34 AM

Your blind if you saw Pac get outboxed for 11 rounds.

He probably didn't know that JMM only landed 10 more punches than Pacquiao. And with Pac being a puncher who doesn't throw soft punches... then we all know who was feeling the pain in the first match. That's why Marquez chickened out.

abdiel2k3

01-12-2005, 03:38 AM

He probably didn't know that JMM only landed 10 more punches than Pacquiao. And with Pac being a puncher who doesn't throw soft punches... then we all know who was feeling the pain in the first match. That's why Marquez chickened out.
lmao
and u think jmm only throws soft punches?
tell me u didnt see the look of defeat on pacs face in the last couple rounds
he was a beat fighter

kadyo

01-12-2005, 03:40 AM

the undertaker

01-12-2005, 04:18 AM

Morales by Tko 3.

pacquiao by KO...11th round... :D

Counter Puncher

01-12-2005, 04:47 AM

Morales by Tko 3.

Yeah! If Morales survives the first two rounds. Pacman knows Morales is the better boxer and has shown ability to go 12 rounds. He would be a raging bull from the opening bell and if Morales survives the first and second rounds, your prediction might stand a chance.

pinkpanther

01-12-2005, 05:17 AM

I really doubt it, Morrales will expose Pac, he beat Barrera becuase MAB took him to lightly and had an awful night. Pac is good but tremendously overated, Morrales is to slick for him - as for KO'ing him - come on.

I'm a big Hatton fan and understand that it is easy to be blinded by the truth at times but Pac fans are seriously deluded!

THRILLAinmanila

01-12-2005, 05:19 AM

evosbm

01-12-2005, 05:43 AM

concerning that pac/mab fight that everyone points to. marco was going thru a bad time training. there were rumors that plate in his head was giving him problems although you heard no excuses from marco. pac was the better fighter that night. but when they meet again the experienced marco will make amens.
tell me pac fans. do you think the barrera that beat morales this last time could beat mp? i cant wait for this pac/morales fight. we will see if roach's expertise can be absorbed by manny. he will need it against a smarter morales.
defenitely not. MAB's style over his 3rd clash with el terrible and his style when he faught Pacman does have any difference at all. if he'll fight that way again with Pacman, he'll be KO'ed again.

evosbm

01-12-2005, 06:20 AM

my response underscored.

Reasons why Pacman fans shouldn't be so confident:
Reasons why Pacman fans should be so confident:
1. Moving up in weight lessens punching power and slows you down.
Pac faught MAB weighing around 135lbs and still showed good speed and power.
2. Morales can just guard his right side and constantly pace to the left to avoid Manny's crushing left powerpunch.
that was effective when JMM used it. but Pac has new weapons remember? he has a devastating left uppercut which EM would never know when it will be coming. will it be strait left or left uppercut? he'll be guessing and when he fails he'll be down.
3. Morales is no pushover and has good power himself.
nobody's sayin' he isnt.
4. Morales has way longer reach.
which could also be a disadvantage coz Pac will move in on him.
5. Morales has a strong chin and unlike Manny has never been out for the count.
he doeasnt need to. but his chin was also tested against MAB and JMM.
etc....
Mexican power!!!!!!
Filipino POWERPAC!!!!!

Powerpunch4u

01-12-2005, 05:12 PM

Sometimes one likes foolish people for their folly, better than wise people for their wisdom.
--Elizabeth Gaskell

How is poetry and phylosophy gonna save Pacwomen?

tracylee

01-12-2005, 06:17 PM

Its destined that Pacman will KO Morales just like Barrera...4th round baby!!!

NO WAY man..I'm sorry, but that just will not happen. I understand that some people think that since Barrera beat Morales in their last fight, and Pac beat Barrera, that it's just a 'given' that Pac can and will beat Morales, but to me that is over-simplifying it too much. Erik's chin is tried and true, and at best Manny may outpoint him, but honestly I dont see that happening either. Erik my majority dec! ;) But, of course, that's just my opinion :D

Chups

01-12-2005, 06:38 PM

Erik's chin is tried and true, and at best Manny may outpoint him, but honestly I dont see that happening either. Erik my majority dec! ;) But, of course, that's just my opinion :D

Eric will be Knocked down whether Pac wins this fight or not. It's Pac's trademark.

tracylee

01-12-2005, 06:43 PM

Eric will be Knocked down whether Pac wins this fight or not. It's Pac's trademark.

Maybe, maybe not. Besides, a knockDOWN is not the same as a knockOUT ;) Knocking people down may be his trademark, but this is Morales were talking about here..so there is no guarantee of even that happening..not really.

Dondon_Ampalayo

01-12-2005, 08:35 PM

EACH MAN WILL HAVE ONE KNOCKDOWN EACH BUT ITS GOING TO BE PACQUIAO IN 12 ROUND SPLIT DEC :cool:

adrockinshit

01-12-2005, 09:37 PM

EACH MAN WILL HAVE ONE KNOCKDOWN EACH BUT ITS GOING TO BE PACQUIAO IN 12 ROUND SPLIT DEC :cool:
i dont think so... i think its gonna be a KO at 7

adrockinshit

01-12-2005, 09:41 PM

daddy31

01-12-2005, 09:56 PM

Morales by ko in the late rounds, this fight will be just like Trinidad vs Hopkins, you'll see...

JaNnO

01-12-2005, 09:59 PM

lmao
and u think jmm only throws soft punches?
tell me u didnt see the look of defeat on pacs face in the last couple rounds
he was a beat fighter

nope i didn't see that...it was marquez who was very afraid...very very afraid...it was apparent on his face that he was expecting a loss before michael buffer announced what's on the scorecards tho...that's why he was very emphatic and pac very furios because pack knew he won that fight...

JaNnO

01-12-2005, 10:01 PM

Morales by ko in the late rounds, this fight will be just like Trinidad vs Hopkins, you'll see...

nah...pac's chin is underrated...

daddy31

01-12-2005, 10:02 PM

[QUOTE]
seems like you guys forgot that Morales is the most talented out of the three guys that you mencioned!!

JaNnO

01-12-2005, 10:04 PM

[QUOTE]
seems like you guys forgot that Morales is the most talented out of the three guys that you mencioned!!

talended but not the smartest...

daddy31

01-12-2005, 10:07 PM

you'll see, Pacquiao is really good, and there's no doubt, but looks like Morales last fight blinded way to many people! and this will be he's great come back!

JaNnO

01-12-2005, 10:30 PM

you'll see, Pacquiao is really good, and there's no doubt, but looks like Morales last fight blinded way to many people! and this will be he's great come back!

yeah...this is gonna be bigger than mab-em 3 based on the press turnout alone. these guys are getting bigger each day...especially pacman, he is getting to the level of popularity of the big boxers now.

evosbm

01-12-2005, 11:27 PM

Sometimes one likes foolish people for their folly, better than wise people for their wisdom.
--Elizabeth Gaskell

How is poetry and phylosophy gonna save Pacwomen?
who's the Pacwomen you're calling? does that mean female fans of Pacman? or you're pertainin to Pacman himself? whichever it is, poetry wont save any of those coz there's just no need for it. if there's one person who would need it, it'll be Morales.

Tha Greatest

01-13-2005, 01:55 AM

DLT

01-13-2005, 01:57 AM

i hope pacquiao knocks tha **** out of this guy.
MORALES Says he got robbed against barrera, BULL****

i hope he will brawl pacquiao and end up on tha canvas.
I think Morales has too many weapons for Pac Man

Tha Greatest

01-13-2005, 01:59 AM

I think Morales has too many weapons for Pac Man

he's got a big mouth which is bout to be broken!!

Chups

01-13-2005, 02:03 AM

I think Morales has too many weapons for Pac Man

He doesn't seem to use it against Barrera. :p

VPDJ

01-13-2005, 02:05 AM

DLT

01-13-2005, 02:09 AM

jpboxer3

01-13-2005, 02:53 AM

miron_lang

01-13-2005, 02:56 AM

not because he has Tito or Chico type power

Very funny :D But i still respect that.

Did Tito KD BHop(The Top dog @160) on his 2nd fight @160?
Did Pac KD MAB (The Top dog @126) on his 2rd fight @126?
Did Pac KD JMM (The 2nd Top dog @126) on his 3rd fight @126?

PAC is arguably the hardest hitter P4P. i hope you'll respect that too ;)

miron_lang

01-13-2005, 03:01 AM

We have alot of Pac fans on here but I think he is overated.

Can you name a fighter that fights the 3 top dogs of a division within 16 months?

Saying PAC is overated is as stupid as saying he is the greatest of all time ;) Got it now?

kadyo

01-13-2005, 03:23 AM

DLT

01-13-2005, 03:40 AM

Damn, but I knew I would get jumped on. First all of you need to chill because I picked Pac to beat Barrera. You could see that MAB wasnt right for that fight but he probally wouldnt have won anyway. Then came the Marquez fight. I liked both guys before the fight but I came away dissapointed in both of them and thought both were overated. Pac looked so one dimentional. All he threw the whole fight was the straight right hand.

He beat Barrera but you all act like he beat Marquez. If he loses to Morales then he has just one win in those 3 fights so dont talk like he's so great until the fight is over because I dont think he will win and I think he will get KO

DLT

01-13-2005, 03:42 AM

Your just mad that your boy PBF cant seem to get the big fights while both Pac and EM has been getting big fight in their last 3-4fights.

Pac has power,desire and heart.He's fought the best and he's beaten best,so saying that hes overrated is flatout dumb.
Here you go again. Stop talking like a kid. Im talking about EM and Pac and here you come bringing Floyd's name into ****. I can talk about stuff other then Mayweather you know

Counter Puncher

01-13-2005, 03:52 AM

We have alot of Pac fans on here but I think he is overated. I also think that his power is overated. He hits hard but not as hard as it seems. Most of his power is because he is a lefty and he throws it straight down the pipe, not because he has Tito or Chico type power

Overrated!?! OK let us be objective on this one. First, let us stick to the featherweight division, as there is no point in comparing the punches of Tito or Chico with the Pacman who is two full weight divisions below these guys. When you say Pacman is overrated, that means he should not be rated higher than anyone in his division (he is the no 1 Ring Magazine featherweight, and top p4p below the lightweights). The next highest rated is JMM, which he floored 3x in the same round! Who else was able to do that to JMM. If he exists, he should be rated more than Pacman, and yes I'd agree Pacman is overrated then. Who's rated next after JMM, forget them all, coz JMM would probably knock them all out anyway b4 they could even fight Pacman. Forget the Superbantams as they are not in the league of the 3M's and the Pacman. Let us go to the king of Superfeathers now, MAB. Who is the only guy who has ever mauled and floored MAB with impunity - Pacman right? Has anyone else done that (not even El Terrible!). If he exists, then he should rate higher than Pacman, and then I'd agree he is overrated. Now who else?

Now try that analysis on JMM, MAB and EM and you will find out who is overrated. Enjoy!

torvix2000

01-13-2005, 03:52 AM

Pac looked so one dimentional. All he threw the whole fight was the straight right hand.

He beat Barrera but you all act like he beat Marquez. If he loses to Morales then he has just one win in those 3 fights so dont talk like he's so great until the fight is over because I dont think he will win and I think he will get KO

Pac threw left straights, not the right, all night long. Hmm... perhaps he forgot how he threw combos against Barrera. Or perhaps JMM made him not throw those combinations. Morales better make Pacquiao forget his deadly combos again.

And yes, Pac did beat Marquez. Psychological proof of this is: JMM is nowhere in sight. As for the technical proof, ask one of the judges.

DLT

01-13-2005, 03:59 AM

Overrated!?! OK let us be objective on this one. First, let us stick to the featherweight division, as there is no point in comparing the punches of Tito or Chico with the Pacman who is two full weight divisions below these guys. When you say Pacman is overrated, that means he should not be rated higher than anyone in his division (he is the no 1 Ring Magazine featherweight, and top p4p below the lightweights). The next highest rated is JMM, which he floored 3x in the same round! Who else was able to do that to JMM. If he exists, he should be rated more than Pacman, and yes I'd agree Pacman is overrated then. Who's rated next after JMM, forget them all, coz JMM would probably knock them all out anyway b4 they could even fight Pacman. Forget the Superbantams as they are not in the league of the 3M's and the Pacman. Let us go to the king of Superfeathers now, MAB. Who is the only guy who has ever mauled and floored MAB with impunity - Pacman right? Has anyone else done that (not even El Terrible!). If he exists, then he should rate higher than Pacman, and then I'd agree he is overrated. Now who else?

Now try that analysis on JMM, MAB and EM and you will find out who is overrated. Enjoy!
When I say overrated, Im just talking about his skill as a fighter and you obsessed fans. When I was talking about power compared to Tito and Chico, Im obviously speaking of #for#.

He didnt win the Marquez fight so all of you need to get over it. Also did you see what Junior Jones did to Barrera. You act like he was undefeated. Pac Man has also been KTFO. He has to beat Morales, and if he doesnt then he is overrated

Counter Puncher

01-13-2005, 04:22 AM

Counter Puncher

01-13-2005, 04:25 AM

When I say overrated, Im just talking about his skill as a fighter and you obsessed fans. When I was talking about power compared to Tito and Chico, Im obviously speaking of #for#.

He didnt win the Marquez fight so all of you need to get over it. Also did you see what Junior Jones did to Barrera. You act like he was undefeated. Pac Man has also been KTFO. He has to beat Morales, and if he doesnt then he is overrated

Please do not generalize coz I'm not an obsessed fan and I am just saying my opinion on your comment as a participant of this forum. I also did not say Pacman won the Marquez fight, coz it was a draw for Pete's sakes and no need to get over that (I said Pacman floored JMM 3x in the same round, which is true, right?). Junior Jones gave Barrera his lesson during his early days, while Pacman gave Barrera his lesson when MAB was king of the featherweights, (is this the same?). I did not say Pacman was undefeated, too. We are talking about Pacquiao should be rated now and not after the Morales fight, coz that is another story.

DLT

01-13-2005, 04:31 AM

Please do not generalize coz I'm not an obsessed fan and I am just saying my opinion on your comment as a participant of this forum. I also did not say Pacman won the Marquez fight, coz it was a draw for Pete's sakes and no need to get over that (I said Pacman floored JMM 3x in the same round, which is true, right?). Junior Jones gave Barrera his lesson during his early days, while Pacman gave Barrera his lesson when MAB was king of the featherweights, (is this the same?). I did not say Pacman was undefeated, too. We are talking about Pacquiao should be rated now and not after the Morales fight, coz that is another story.
He should be rated now but alot of people act like he is the best #for# in the world. You guys dont get what Im saying. I too was a big Pac Man fan but I came away tremendously dissapointed after the Marquez fight but everyone else seems like they think higher of him now

Counter Puncher

01-13-2005, 04:41 AM

He should be rated now but alot of people act like he is the best #for# in the world. You guys dont get what Im saying. I too was a big Pac Man fan but I came away tremendously dissapointed after the Marquez fight but everyone else seems like they think higher of him now

To be honest,DLT, I was VERY disappointed too (and still am) with the Pacman for not being able to finish JMM off. But let us give credit where it is due. I did not say Pacman is the best #4# and I don't think he is (for me it's between Hopkins or Tito only). But the way he TKO'd MAB and floored JMM are tough feats to duplicate in his division, and enough to rate him as #1 featherweight, at least for now. Peace!

jpboxer3

01-13-2005, 04:45 AM

Here you go again. Stop talking like a kid. Im talking about EM and Pac and here you come bringing Floyd's name into ****. I can talk about stuff other then Mayweather you know

LMFAO!You never have anything good to say about any fighter unless it's your boy PBF.You should stick with stalking the Zoo threads and automaticly respond when your boys name is mentioned,lol.

DLT

01-13-2005, 04:50 AM

LMFAO!You never have anything good to say about any fighter unless it's your boy PBF.You should stick with stalking the Zoo threads and automaticly respond when your boys name is mentioned,lol.
I have alot of good to say about alot of boxers but I dont kiss all of there asses like some I know(hint). They cant all be as great as Glen Johnson

DLT

01-13-2005, 04:52 AM

To be honest,DLT, I was VERY disappointed too (and still am) with the Pacman for not being able to finish JMM off. But let us give credit where it is due. I did not say Pacman is the best #4# and I don't think he is (for me it's between Hopkins or Tito only). But the way he TKO'd MAB and floored JMM are tough feats to duplicate in his division, and enough to rate him as #1 featherweight, at least for now. Peace!
Im not upset because he didnt finish him, I was upset because he looked one dimitonal and thats why I think he's overrated but if he gets past Morales then I'll be wrong.

How do you figure that Tito has any right to the #4# debate

jpboxer3

01-13-2005, 05:02 AM

I have alot of good to say about alot of boxers but I dont kiss all of there asses like some I know(hint). They cant all be as great as Glen Johnson

You use that word "overrated" alittle too much man.I believe you called both Tarver,Tszyu and a few others overrated.

BTW,I changed my Avatar/Sig to let people know who im rooting for out of this exciting matchup between EM and Pac.I'm a big boxing fan so I gotta atleast have 4 favorite fighters(Johnson,Castillo,Pacman and Zoo). I dont go parading around the forum responding to every negative message thats posted against Pacman like some people (hint hint
;) ) Hell,you act like your PBFs lover,the way you try protecting his inactive and yes OVERRATED 140lb a$$.

DLT

01-13-2005, 05:32 AM

DLT

01-13-2005, 05:48 AM

You use that word "overrated" alittle too much man.I believe you called both Tarver,Tszyu and a few others overrated.

BTW,I changed my Avatar/Sig to let people know who im rooting for out of this exciting matchup between EM and Pac.I'm a big boxing fan so I gotta atleast have 4 favorite fighters(Johnson,Castillo,Pacman and Zoo). I dont go parading around the forum responding to every negative message thats posted against Pacman like some people (hint hint
;) ) Hell,you act like your PBFs lover,the way you try protecting his inactive and yes OVERRATED 140lb a$$.
You just made my point for me. Im real. I can say something good about a fighter and turn around and say something bad about the same guy. I dont just agree or have nothing bad to say about a guy just because I like him. Thats what alot of people on these boards do. They have there favorite guy and they wont say anything bad about him for nothing. Tarver was overrated and now everyones knows it. I never said that Zoo was overrated, I just said that his resume is.

I know that when I go agaisnt Pac, Cotto, and Zoo that I will be jumped on 1 to a hundred but it's ok with me because Im real and I say what I feel. People always hear the bad things I say but they dont never seem to hear the part when I say that I like all 3 of them. Just because I like them doesnt mean that I wont say anything bad about them, and thats the difference between me and most others on these boards. When I said that you made my point for me, I meant that you just called Floyd overrated and you always talk bad about him. Infact, thats how we met. I've also heard you talk bad about alot of other fighters and call them overrated but when I do then you have a problem. Get real man. Then some of those guys I talk about are your favorite fighters so theres no wonder why you get mad, but you say stuff about my favorite fighter Floyd and I say something back and you get mad. Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

My favorite fighter is Floyd and thats pretty much it. After that I like almost all of them the same and I think that's what seperate's me from the others on the board and why Im always getting into it with others because I like them all the same and I can talk good and bad about a guy. I guy by the matches moreso then the fighter.

Floydmayweather

01-13-2005, 11:02 AM

I hear some people saying Pacs power is overrated. Why dont u ask Barrera if thats true. Overrated this kid punches like a little Mike Tyson. Morales is the better boxer but Pac will use his speed and power to take out Morales.

chingon28

01-13-2005, 11:06 AM

i agree with you dlt manny is over rated. i have seen him knock out lesser opponents but isnt that what your sopposed to do. i dont understand where you get that he has many weapons. marquez figured him out and if he hadnt gotten knocked down three times in the first round he would have one that fight.

Floydmayweather

01-13-2005, 11:11 AM

He is young and will only improve on things like his jab and right hook. Roach actually said his right hook is better than his life he just needs to work on the timing.

chingon28

01-13-2005, 11:19 AM

personally i like manny. i just think that people were too quick to crown him the next coming. he had one good night against a fighter that wasnt 100 percent into the fight. mab has never made excuses after his losses but he said honestly he wasnt himself that night. maybe it was because of the beating he took that night. i would have seen a rematch between them too but this fight will be just as good if not better. because morales is more of a slugger then barerra so this should be a war.

Floydmayweather

01-13-2005, 11:26 AM

I think Morales style favors Pac even more than Barrera. It seems like everyone thinks Pac has reached his peak also he is only going to get better devolping his punches and this fight is a big step up but i just cant see Morales winning.

chingon28

01-13-2005, 11:34 AM

lapulapu

01-13-2005, 11:45 AM

chingon28

01-13-2005, 11:59 AM

the biggest loser in this fight is marquez. he should have taken this fight. he figured out manny and was giving him a fight. but now he punked out and is now going to fight chumps.

tracylee

01-13-2005, 12:36 PM

you'll see, Pacquiao is really good, and there's no doubt, but looks like Morales last fight blinded way to many people! and this will be he's great come back!

Exactly! Morales showing up completely unmotivated for the rubber match with Barrera has given alot of fans a false sense of security...there is no way Pac outpoints him, and a knockout will be hard to achieve with the chin that Erik has! ;)
I'm shocked that someone actually posted that Pac will outpoint him..thats unbelievable! Erik is the technical master...and one thing he's never been called is one demensional..where Pac has been called that repeatedly! I'm sorry but from all the posts about pac I've read in the past, knockouts are his speciality..not boxing! To say that all of a sudden he's a boxing master/genius (and he'd have to be to outpoint Morales) is just crazy! :eek:

jpboxer3

01-13-2005, 12:36 PM

You just made my point for me. Im real. I can say something good about a fighter and turn around and say something bad about the same guy. I dont just agree or have nothing bad to say about a guy just because I like him. Thats what alot of people on these boards do. They have there favorite guy and they wont say anything bad about him for nothing. Tarver was overrated and now everyones knows it. I never said that Zoo was overrated, I just said that his resume is.

I know that when I go agaisnt Pac, Cotto, and Zoo that I will be jumped on 1 to a hundred but it's ok with me because Im real and I say what I feel. People always hear the bad things I say but they dont never seem to hear the part when I say that I like all 3 of them. Just because I like them doesnt mean that I wont say anything bad about them, and thats the difference between me and most others on these boards. When I said that you made my point for me, I meant that you just called Floyd overrated and you always talk bad about him. Infact, thats how we met. I've also heard you talk bad about alot of other fighters and call them overrated but when I do then you have a problem. Get real man. Then some of those guys I talk about are your favorite fighters so theres no wonder why you get mad, but you say stuff about my favorite fighter Floyd and I say something back and you get mad. Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

My favorite fighter is Floyd and thats pretty much it. After that I like almost all of them the same and I think that's what seperate's me from the others on the board and why Im always getting into it with others because I like them all the same and I can talk good and bad about a guy. I guy by the matches moreso then the fighter.

It's all good man.One day,PBF will lose and you'l jump on another fighters nut sack.Trust me,when PBF loses,your the first one i'm gonna laugh at on this board.You should sport his avatar man ,oh wait you dont want anyone to know how big a PBF fan you are when he loses.

Back to the topic now.I think Pacmans faster hands will be the difference against EM.I think Morales is on the decline after getting upset by MAB.Pacman is definetly in his prime,so I think his faster hands and youth will carry him to a lopsided decision or late round KO.

m00ks

01-13-2005, 12:46 PM

It's all good man.One day,PBF will lose and you'l jump on another fighters nut sack.Trust me,when PBF loses,your the first one i'm gonna laugh at on this board.You should sport his avatar man ,oh wait you dont want anyone to know how big a PBF fan you are when he loses.

Back to the topic now.I think Pacmans faster hands will be the difference against EM.I think Morales is on the decline after getting upset by MAB.Pacman is definetly in his prime,so I think his faster hands and youth will carry him to a lopsided decision or late round KO.

His speed will definately be the factor in this fight. Look at how it played in MAB-EM 3. Morales got beat with speed. Now mix that with a fighetr who goes on a power punching frenzy and you got yourself a dangerous fighter.

m00ks

01-13-2005, 12:51 PM

morales does have a better style for manny because he could get knocked out easier. because he is more likely to come at manny then barerra would. morales tends to fight to the level of his opponents. manny is starting to put his tools together nicely. but he is going up a fighter that already has them and that fought at this level most of his career. could go either way but i feel that morales will bring something that manny hasnt seen which is power, ability to box and heart. might be too much for the young pac.

EM's power isn't at 130. I haven't seen it yet in this weight. If he couldn't knock down Barrera in 36 rounds, then I ain't worried about his power and I'm sure Pac isn't as well. If he boxes, he would most likely win it. However, his machisimo will get the of him and he would trade with Pac which would ultimatley lead to his downfall.

lapulapu

01-13-2005, 12:59 PM

EM's power isn't at 130. I haven't seen it yet in this weight. If he couldn't knock down Barrera in 36 rounds, then I ain't worried about his power and I'm sure Pac isn't as well. If he boxes, he would most likely win it. However, his machisimo will get the of him and he would trade with Pac which would ultimatley lead to his downfall.

I think we forgot that most of EM fights were within Arum's backyard. EM lost to MAB twice coz MAB didn't belong to Arum. All we need to worry is the judging if this fight goes the distance. So EM might box to prolong this fight. Remember the place they're fighting is full of judges who are weak in simple arithmetic. To help the judges, we can only pray that Manny is quick enough to chase a running Erik.

tracylee

01-13-2005, 01:09 PM

i hope pacquiao knocks tha **** out of this guy.
MORALES Says he got robbed against barrera, BULL****

i hope he will brawl pacquiao and end up on tha canvas.

Morales was not even close to a win against Barrera!!
I hope pacquiao makes him go unconcionse in there, his arrogant additude makes me sick!!

Man I might agree with this if Erik was the first and only one to claim robbery! Him doing so is not so shocking...hell, I've posted (as a joke) many, many times that a fighters record should look like this: wins - losses - draws - excuses! I've posted it so many times I'm sure atleast a couple posters here remember it. My point is excuses and/or false claims of robbery, etc. are as commonplace in the sport as boxing gloves. Just cause it was him that said it last, you hope he gets knocked out?? You must not have been a Morales fan before the rubber match with Barrera or something..I may be upset with him for not being motivated enough and not giving a **** (that much was obvious..that he didnt) about the third fight with Barrera, but I still like him for the great fighter that he is...a real warrior, and would like to see him redeem himself in the fight with Pac. ;)

tracylee

01-13-2005, 01:14 PM

I think we forgot that most of EM fights were within Arum's backyard. EM lost to MAB twice coz MAB didn't belong to Arum. All we need to worry is the judging if this fight goes the distance. So EM might box to prolong this fight. Remember the place they're fighting is full of judges who are weak in simple arithmetic. To help the judges, we can only pray that Manny is quick enough to chase a running Erik.

so am I reading here that there is no way Pac can win a decision fairly in your opinion? and if Erik wins by decision it's only gonna be cause the judges "gave" it to him? :confused:
By the way, Morales does not RUN..he boxes, and damn good too!
I have never, ever heard any fan call him a coward and/or runner til I heard the Pac fans claim it..and this is twice in two days that I've read something about him being a chicken where Pac is concerned! That tells me something right there!

chingon28

01-13-2005, 01:31 PM

morales is a hall of famer. he is not going to lose to pac. especially not by knockout

tracylee

01-13-2005, 01:40 PM

morales is a hall of famer. he is not going to lose to pac. especially not by knockout

I agree...Morales is just too damn good, and too damn smart to just stand there, testing pac's power! I cant believe how many Pac fans put down every fighter that he is supposed to face! :eek: First it was JMM, now it's Morales..according to some of them, every guy that get's in the ring with Pac is a runner, coward, no talent, cheating bum. I just dont get it and I guess I never will :confused:

ELPacman

01-13-2005, 02:24 PM

chingon28

01-13-2005, 02:32 PM

i agree with that. its makes it more interesting. we all have our opinions.

Mr. Ryan

01-13-2005, 02:32 PM

Jersey? Where in Jersey?

Pullcounter

01-13-2005, 02:50 PM

If Pac were beating up on any persons other than MAB, Morales and JMM, Pac would be their heroes. Unfortunately, the road to glory goes through Mexico.

DR. FREECLOUD

01-13-2005, 02:51 PM

If it wasn't for Manny and the likes of many other boxers that get us crazy fans(Vitali, Tito, etc.) boxing would be dead. Of course you guys don't see that and rather cheer for the non idol fighters that are jail birds, arrest magnets, and have absolutely no personality. Boxing needs these type of fighters that can draw huge crowds that don't even know much about the sport though enough to love that fighter. It keeps boxing ALIVE. The more you guys hate on them just because they get more attention than some might deserve(though Manny is equal to Ali in his country so he deserves it), the more it seems you guys are the ones that hate the sport.I don't know about you though let's say Manny didn't exist, this board and boxing excitement in general would be a lot duller :cool:

lol that is funny. there would just not as many children and houseboys on here thats all. we would still argue about other fighters. just like we did before manny came around and especially before his fanbase came around. i do agree that we need respectable people like manny in the sport. i can't stand the thug types that are out there. manny is good for the image of the sport. he does have a somewhat likeable personality(til he starts trashtalking my guys :D ) funny thing is i like pac but alot of his fans are terrible.

Pullcounter

01-13-2005, 02:52 PM

Pac is going to set a pace that Morales can't match. Pac KO Morales.

m00ks

01-13-2005, 03:25 PM

Exactly! Morales showing up completely unmotivated for the rubber match with Barrera has given alot of fans a false sense of security...there is no way Pac outpoints him, and a knockout will be hard to achieve with the chin that Erik has! ;)
I'm shocked that someone actually posted that Pac will outpoint him..thats unbelievable! Erik is the technical master...and one thing he's never been called is one demensional..where Pac has been called that repeatedly! I'm sorry but from all the posts about pac I've read in the past, knockouts are his speciality..not boxing! To say that all of a sudden he's a boxing master/genius (and he'd have to be to outpoint Morales) is just crazy! :eek:

Well here's where I come in :p

We've been surprised in the past before and when you say no way, you're not talking about boxing anymore. Would you have thought Manny would take 10/11 roudns against Barrera prior to the fight? In any case, I give Manny more chance against Morales than Glen Johnson had against RJJ. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN and this is what makes boxing such a beautifull sport.

This one-dimensional crap is overexagerated. Other than the Marquez fight, this assesment of a 1 dimensional Pac never came up.

And you are right, Manny's specialty is knocking his opponents out. That's what he's brining to the table and that's what will give him his chance at beating EM.

DLT

01-13-2005, 04:19 PM

It's all good man.One day,PBF will lose and you'l jump on another fighters nut sack.Trust me,when PBF loses,your the first one i'm gonna laugh at on this board.You should sport his avatar man ,oh wait you dont want anyone to know how big a PBF fan you are when he loses.

Back to the topic now.I think Pacmans faster hands will be the difference against EM.I think Morales is on the decline after getting upset by MAB.Pacman is definetly in his prime,so I think his faster hands and youth will carry him to a lopsided decision or late round KO.
PBF is my favorite fighter. Nothing more/nothing less so why do you keep making a big deal out of that. You act like Im the only one with a favorite fighter. I havent even talked about him in a long time

m00ks

01-13-2005, 05:25 PM

lol that is funny. there would just not as many children and houseboys on here thats all. we would still argue about other fighters. just like we did before manny came around and especially before his fanbase came around. i do agree that we need respectable people like manny in the sport. i can't stand the thug types that are out there. manny is good for the image of the sport. he does have a somewhat likeable personality(til he starts trashtalking my guys :D ) funny thing is i like pac but alot of his fans are terrible.

well there are a lot of mexicans and filipinos in this bored and I must say when things heat up, everything becomes a lot more interesting. It hypes the match up so much more. I can relate because, as a filipino, it fuels a sense of pride and competition. It stirs a lot in these boards.

borikua

01-13-2005, 05:29 PM

If it wasn't for Manny and the likes of many other boxers that get us crazy fans(Vitali, Tito, etc.)

I'm a Tito fan...but I ain't crazy... :cool:

Mick Hucknall

01-13-2005, 05:35 PM

[QUOTE=m00ks]well there are a lot of mexicans and filipinos in this bored QUOTE]

Too ****ing many.. :D

L-DJ-B

01-13-2005, 05:39 PM

If it wasn't for Manny and the likes of many other boxers that get us crazy fans(Vitali, Tito, etc.) boxing would be dead. Of course you guys don't see that and rather cheer for the non idol fighters that are jail birds, arrest magnets, and have absolutely no personality. Boxing needs these type of fighters that can draw huge crowds that don't even know much about the sport though enough to love that fighter. It keeps boxing ALIVE. The more you guys hate on them just because they get more attention than some might deserve(though Manny is equal to Ali in his country so he deserves it), the more it seems you guys are the ones that hate the sport. I don't know about you though let's say Manny didn't exist, this board and boxing excitement in general would be a lot duller :cool:

Its not that I hate him because he's obviously a talented, exciting fighter. The problem is there are too many muppets on here worshiping him which in turn makes the rest wanna see him get KO'd just to shut them up.

Chups

01-13-2005, 05:45 PM

http://www.juanmanuelmarquez.com/forum/Smileys/more/bow.gif http://www.juanmanuelmarquez.com/forum/Smileys/more/bow.gif http://www.juanmanuelmarquez.com/forum/Smileys/more/bow.gif PACMAN
nuthugger

:D

tracylee

01-13-2005, 05:47 PM

Well here's where I come in :p

We've been surprised in the past before and when you say no way, you're not talking about boxing anymore. Would you have thought Manny would take 10/11 roudns against Barrera prior to the fight? In any case, I give Manny more chance against Morales than Glen Johnson had against RJJ. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN and this is what makes boxing such a beautifull sport.

This one-dimensional crap is overexagerated. Other than the Marquez fight, this assesment of a 1 dimensional Pac never came up.

And you are right, Manny's specialty is knocking his opponents out. That's what he's brining to the table and that's what will give him his chance at beating EM.

thats what I'm saying...I could see him knocking Morales out much easier than I could see him outpointing him! As for the Barrera fight, Pac completely overwhelmed him...and slugged his little heart out! I hated watching it, but had to admire the little guys speed and power..but I didnt see alot of actual boxing going on. I saw Barrera get his ass handed to him, but when I think of the term "BOXING"..I think of the ole stick and move, counter punches, jabbing and good defense; and like I said, I saw Manny slugging more than any of that :o He was just so fast and furious that actual boxing never really played into it..it was more him swarming and beating the hell out of Barrera. Do you see what I mean (scary question considering that I'm asking you!!! :D ). When I think of technical boxers, I think of Marquez, Morales, Byrd, etc..when I think of slugging then of course thats Pac!

Fiscalizer

01-13-2005, 06:03 PM

This is going to be a hell of a fight . . . one man will be left standing . . . survival of the fittest.

Pullcounter

01-13-2005, 06:27 PM

Morales is going to lose and if not by KO then by decision. Morales won't be able to withstand Pac's onslaught. He's definitely a HOFer and deserves all the credit in the world. I'd like to see him move up to 135 and fight the winner of Corrales/Castillo, then retire after a couple of easier fights, then Morales can call down PBF from 140 for a tussle at some catchweight!!!

ELPacman

01-13-2005, 06:31 PM

Jersey? Where in Jersey?

Dover, within Morris Town district.

tracylee

01-13-2005, 06:34 PM

This is going to be a hell of a fight . . . one man will be left standing . . . survival of the fittest.

Oh yeah, definate fight of the year material! Man how MUCH I look forward to that!!! :D

tracylee

01-13-2005, 06:44 PM

I like him just fine, its when some (and I did say SOME) of his fans totally and unnecessairly disrespect and put down his potential competition that I dont like him. Sad but true, but after reading insults about boxers that have been doing their thing and doing it well long before Manny was even heard of in the states...thats enough to turn a person against a certain fighter. Like I said, I like Manny..but some of the fans give the impression that none of these other great boxers even existed til he came along and challenged them..and if they so much as take time to consider if they think he's worthy of a shot with them then they're called "chicken" and **** and that does make alot of people mad. Some of us have been fans of these other boxers for a long time, and had never heard of Manny til the last year or two, and the way to win us over isnt to insult the ones that we love, and love to watch ;)

m00ks

01-13-2005, 06:46 PM

thats what I'm saying...I could see him knocking Morales out much easier than I could see him outpointing him! As for the Barrera fight, Pac completely overwhelmed him...and slugged his little heart out! I hated watching it, but had to admire the little guys speed and power..but I didnt see alot of actual boxing going on. I saw Barrera get his ass handed to him, but when I think of the term "BOXING"..I think of the ole stick and move, counter punches, jabbing and good defense; and like I said, I saw Manny slugging more than any of that :o He was just so fast and furious that actual boxing never really played into it..it was more him swarming and beating the hell out of Barrera. Do you see what I mean (scary question considering that I'm asking you!!! :D ). When I think of technical boxers, I think of Marquez, Morales, Byrd, etc..when I think of slugging then of course thats Pac!

Well you aked and no I don't see what you mean :D . Pacquiao ain't a slick boxer like DLH but he did outboxed Barrera. He's just not as polished but the fundamentals are still there. You just have to watch a lil closer and more than one time. Watch it again and pay attention to Pac rather than Barrera and you'll see Pacquiao impose his stiff jab, blocking shots with his gloves, effective head movements, ducking, well timed punches, fast footwork and great rythm. He was as sound defensivley as he was offensively. He didn't allow Barrera to land any shot that might put him in trouble. His footwork always proppelled him out of the way. He banked body shots, gave awesome combos (8-10 at a time I'm not joking) basically he did everything he was suposed to. If that ain't boxing, I don't know what is. Again, esthetically, you'll never see him throw a left hook like a mexican but his arsenal is just as effective. I've seen teh fight close to ten times and I ain't just promoting Pac here, but trust me he outboxed Barrera. In any case, if he didn't outbox him and just tried to knock him out, it would have just been a Prince Naz case and he wouldn't have been THAT effective. Barrera is no pushover and if you try to bully him around, you'll end up getting as much as you give but as we all saw, that wasn't the case.

m00ks

01-13-2005, 06:50 PM

[QUOTE=m00ks]well there are a lot of mexicans and filipinos in this bored QUOTE]

Too ****ing many.. :D

You don't like it? You're free to leave :D

tracylee

01-13-2005, 06:54 PM

You don't like it? You're free to leave :D

Oh man, thats too weird ..that was MY thought exactly when I read that! :D

tracylee

01-13-2005, 06:58 PM

Well you aked and no I don't see what you mean :D . Pacquiao ain't a slick boxer like DLH but he did outboxed Barrera. He's just not as polished but the fundamentals are still there. You just have to watch a lil closer and more than one time. Watch it again and pay attention to Pac rather than Barrera and you'll see Pacquiao impose his stiff jab, blocking shots with his gloves, effective head movements, ducking, well timed punches, fast footwork and great rythm. He was as sound defensivley as he was offensively. He didn't allow Barrera to land any shot that might put him in trouble. His footwork always proppelled him out of the way. He banked body shots, gave awesome combos (8-10 at a time I'm not joking) basically he did everything he was suposed to. If that ain't boxing, I don't know what is. Again, esthetically, you'll never see him throw a left hook like a mexican but his arsenal is just as effective. I've seen teh fight close to ten times and I ain't just promoting Pac here, but trust me he outboxed Barrera. In any case, if he didn't outbox him and just tried to knock him out, it would have just been a Prince Naz case and he wouldn't have been THAT effective. Barrera is no pushover and if you try to bully him around, you'll end up getting as much as you give but as we all saw, that wasn't the case.

I only watched it that once..and I'm afraid it's one of the tapes of mine that are still out of the country :(

m00ks

01-13-2005, 07:42 PM

I only watched it that once..and I'm afraid it's one of the tapes of mine that are still out of the country :(

when you send a tape, do you expect it back?

MlLkMan

01-13-2005, 07:54 PM

shiiiit now we'll have 100 threads about pac will ko morales...btw Pac by KO

thats what i think, pac by KO

SalvaDominicano

01-13-2005, 08:25 PM

too many threads.. whoever starts another threat should be banned.

m00ks

01-13-2005, 08:49 PM

too many threads.. whoever starts another threat should be banned.

too many complaints about PacMorales threads. next guy who complains should be banned.

tracylee

01-14-2005, 02:20 PM

when you send a tape, do you expect it back?

NO, no..it wasnt like that. In the beginning, I was only taping for one person, and we had the agreement that they would be returned (otherwise I'd never have sent my copy)..now I send copies and I even leave the label blank so people can fill it out in their own handwriting (and not some 'girlie' handwriting)..I've got my **** together now and my copy gets made first and never leaves my house, under any circumstances! I got some of mine back, just none of the big title fights, etc..most of them were Friday Night Fights, etc.
But thats okay...I learned a lesson and make copies (or tape the replay when possible so I can send out an original) and NO, I dont ask or want the tapes back cause I already have a copy of my own.

FistFest

01-14-2005, 05:45 PM

Bring it on, bring it on!
One will be the champion,
One will be the chumpion.
Pacman's left, Terrible's right,
who will have an early night?

Bring it on, bring it on!
Viva Pilipino, Viva Mexicano,
Don't care...WAR is the Lingo.
I got balls, I got Cojones,
I'll kill you my UNO-DOS-TRES!

Bring it on, bring it on!
Yo threads over here, posters over there,
Don't push colour everywhere!
Hey, both Mexi and Pili are Brown...
No sense hating fans in this town.

Bring it on, bring it on!
I made this rap in mah mind,
and we are very very kind.
This argument isnt nice,
so let's leave it to the dice.

Mga kapatid, let's just enjoy this great fight. Leave the war in the ring. Fistfest here, peace is mah thing. :D

cyber_redz

01-14-2005, 06:58 PM

Its destined that Pacman will KO Morales just like Barrera...4th round baby!!!

I bet manny will knockout morales in just 2 rounds..

SalvaDominicano

01-14-2005, 07:51 PM

Miguel Cotto X 23

01-14-2005, 09:35 PM

Pac by Ko in 5.

Floydmayweather

01-17-2005, 02:09 AM

If we see a right hand thrown like Pacs left Morales will out out cold. Hall of famer yes, but i see this being an onslaught by pac that will just be to much.

grayfist

01-17-2005, 02:49 AM

Pac's power has been put on display before western audiences since Ledwaba,through Lucero and Barrera and in the first canto of the Marquez fight that fight fans in the americas sometimes succomb to the tendency of overlooking his other fighting skills.

Were Pacman as one-dimensional as many claim, he would not have wrested three world titles and be considered as one of today's best, P4P.

What surprises me is that when a fighter is a boxer, and never slugs, he is seldom called one-dimensional; but if a fighter is a slugger, though he also boxes, he is dubbed one-dimensional. :rolleyes:

Marquez is a counter-puncher. Counter-punching is onoly one dimension in the sport. Why haven't I heard anyone call him one-dimensional? :rolleyes:

And btw..re Moralex-Pac? Pac by stoppage (either KO or TKO). ;)

KillerBlow

01-17-2005, 02:53 AM

KillerBlow

01-17-2005, 03:15 AM

too many threads.. whoever starts another threat should be banned.

That's what Pac haters say..... :p

AIR_KENG

01-17-2005, 03:27 AM

That's what Pac haters say..... :p
i agree, anything that says pac will demolish morales is "too many" or "useless" or something like that... by the way, we didn't start the argument? morales fans did...

chito

01-17-2005, 05:31 AM

Yeah. I agree with you bro. In this sport being an exciting fighter is more important than being a boring one. Don't
you guys notice the more exciting ones get more money ??? :cool:

and let me add that it's not a guarantee that you would win it big time if you have 2 belts in you!

SalvaDominicano

01-17-2005, 06:41 AM

AIR_KENG

01-17-2005, 09:30 AM

yes and im sure there are a few morales will ko pac threads and i mean those too. think b4 u speak. i said it b4 ill say it again, i like pac but im rooting for my men. u got a problem with that? tough.
yes i do have a problem with that. if you like him, we are you stepping on him so much in this forum? and oh you like him, nice pic to accompany your sig...

SalvaDominicano

01-17-2005, 09:43 AM

its called comedy not dislike so stop taking it so personal. jus cuz im making fun of your boyfriend dont get mad at me. many people have pics of mab getting hit flush in the face yet they like him too. u see me *****ing..? no..

AIR_KENG

01-17-2005, 10:05 AM

nah, just messing aorund, you are the one who is starting the hot conversation... good smile by pac by the way, hehe...

tracylee

01-17-2005, 04:50 PM

i agree, anything that says pac will demolish morales is "too many" or "useless" or something like that... by the way, we didn't start the argument? morales fans did...

Not 'anything' that says he will beat Morales..just more than 2 threads on the same issue I think ;) Personally, I dont mind reading that Pac will destroy, kill, ko, ass kick, etc...Morales, cause I believe all of you are wrong :D

paulmmv

01-17-2005, 05:00 PM

therea no way pacman will ko morales morales will win this match by decision

tracylee

01-17-2005, 05:04 PM

therea no way pacman will ko morales morales will win this match by decision

A "like mind"!! I couldnt agree more with that ;)

m00ks

01-17-2005, 05:09 PM

therea no way pacman will ko morales morales will win this match by decision

JUST for saying "there's no way", Pac will do it lol. You know, nothing in boxing is a sure thing.

Chups

01-17-2005, 05:27 PM

therea no way pacman will ko morales morales will win this match by decision

Would you like to bet points on that? :D

trinidadpr87

01-17-2005, 05:28 PM

how come all of a sudden this erik morales guy sucks.

Chups

01-17-2005, 05:29 PM

how come all of a sudden this erik morales guy sucks.

Who said that? Morales is a great fighter.

tracylee

01-17-2005, 05:33 PM

how come all of a sudden this erik morales guy sucks.

Havent you heard? Each and every fighter sucks (all of a sudden) just cause theyre supposed to fight Manny! And I've posted something similar to that before (and asked the same question)..and when I posted it, I explained that was the reason so many of us had trouble liking Manny at all..cause all these fighters that we love and have loved for years all of a sudden supposedly suck just cause theyre facing Manny! :rolleyes:
Because of that I find it funny that you asked that!! I dont think anybody answered me when I asked it :confused:

trinidadpr87

01-17-2005, 05:37 PM

Who said that? Morales is a great fighter.
people are saying he's going to get ko'd by pacman in the first few rounds.what has shown people that morales will get ko'd.he's never been down before meanwhile pac has been down a bunch of times at lower weights.

Chups

01-17-2005, 05:39 PM

psychopath

01-17-2005, 05:44 PM

therea no way pacman will ko morales morales will win this match by decision

Huh? Do you know something that we don't know? How sure are you? :eek: This is a HYPOTHETICAL issue Bro.

Only people working with Arum's MAFIA can say that. :rolleyes: I personally suspect that might just happen. :D Pac can beat the hell out of Eric but the later might still get the judges nod if it goes to the full route. :D We all know how Arum operates. He always gets out of his way to protect his investments. Can you people count how many times his wards got involved in a controversial decission? It's countless!

This is a 50/50 fight . . . . it can go both ways . . . . but I'm praying for a K.O. or T.K.O. win for Pac. Pac has a habbit of being the first guy to send an opponents to the canvas.

trinidadpr87

01-17-2005, 05:44 PM

Havent you heard? Each and every fighter sucks (all of a sudden) just cause theyre supposed to fight Manny! And I've posted something similar to that before (and asked the same question)..and when I posted it, I explained that was the reason so many of us had trouble liking Manny at all..cause all these fighters that we love and have loved for years all of a sudden supposedly suck just cause theyre facing Manny! :rolleyes:
Because of that I find it funny that you asked that!! I dont think anybody answered me when I asked it :confused:
i was just posting this because erik morales was one of the best p4p and since he lost to a great fighter in barrera people think he's gonna get killed by pacman.styles make fights just because pac killed barrera and morales didn't doesn't mean ****.example trinidad killed joppy nard didn't but who won their fight.

tracylee

01-17-2005, 05:45 PM

Damn those Pac nuthuggers. :D :D

Oh NO..you didnt!!! I know you didnt just call the kettle black!! :eek: :D

tracylee

01-17-2005, 05:47 PM

i was just posting this because erik morales was one of the best p4p and since he lost to a great fighter in barrera people think he's gonna get killed by pacman.styles make fights just because pac killed barrera and morales didn't doesn't mean ****.example trinidad killed joppy nard didn't but who won their fight.

thats funny too! I also posted that just cause Manny beat MAB, and Barrera beat Morales, etc..you get the idea! ;) I agree, styles make fights, or there would be no point in watching Pac vs. Morales

Palma

01-17-2005, 05:47 PM

Hey KillerBlow,

I was watching the little video of PacMan that you have on your screen and it appears that he never landed a punch to knock Marquez down. It looks more like Marquez lost his balance cause he had too much torque in his swing.

Don't get me wrong, I am a Pac fan, but I just call them as I see them.

tracylee

01-17-2005, 05:50 PM

Huh? Do you know something that we don't know? How sure are you? :eek: This is a HYPOTHETICAL issue Bro.

Only people working with Arum's MAFIA can say that. :rolleyes: I personally suspect that might just happen. :D Pac can beat the hell out of Eric but the later might still get the judges nod if it goes to the full route. :D We all know how Arum operates. He always gets out of his way to protect his investments. Can you people count how many times his wards got involved in a controversial decission? It's countless!

This is a 50/50 fight . . . . it can go both ways . . . . but I'm praying for a K.O. or T.K.O. win for Pac. Pac has a habbit of being the first guy to send an opponents to the canvas.

Man, say whatever you want about this potential fight, but please dont claim that Morales would take part in a fixed fight! Cant you guys accept the fact that pac CAN lose fairly?? When it turns to "pac cant get a decision cause they will be bought off"..I tune out of the discussion

trinidadpr87

01-17-2005, 05:53 PM

this could be a great fight.the only sure thing about this fight is it will be televised on hbo ppv.

psychopath

01-17-2005, 05:55 PM

i was just posting this because erik morales was one of the best p4p and since he lost to a great fighter in barrera people think he's gonna get killed by pacman.styles make fights just because pac killed barrera and morales didn't doesn't mean ****.example trinidad killed joppy nard didn't but who won their fight.

Well that's how it goes Bro. . . there so many Pac followers here that are very VOCAL on what they expect, that's why it looks and sounds that way. :D

psychopath

01-17-2005, 06:03 PM

Man, say whatever you want about this potential fight, but please dont claim that Morales would take part in a fixed fight! Cant you guys accept the fact that pac CAN lose fairly?? When it turns to "pac cant get a decision cause they will be bought off"..I tune out of the discussion

Hey I didn't started it. That poster was saying as if he is 100% sure Eric will win by decision.

Of course I have no problem with my favorite fighters losing and Pac is no exception. Jesus Cesar Chavez, Ali, Tyson, Vitali and De La Hoya, just to mention a few all lost at one time in their career and I took that in stride. . . for as long as it is a clear loss . . . it's part of the game. And I don't have anything against Eric, it's Arum that I really hate.

Chups

01-17-2005, 06:04 PM

Oh NO..you didnt!!! I know you didnt just call the kettle black!! :eek: :D

You're breaking my heart Tracy...am a pacfan not a nuthugger.....speedracer is a pacnuthugger. :D :D

tracylee

01-17-2005, 06:10 PM

You're breaking my heart Tracy...am a pacfan not a nuthugger.....speedracer is a pacnuthugger. :D :D

I'd never call any of you a nuthugger..its insulting! I just thought it was funny you saying that to me cause I know youre a big fan of Pacs ;) (arent you??)

tracylee

01-17-2005, 06:12 PM

Hey I didn't started it. That poster was saying as if he is 100% sure Eric will win by decision.

Of course I have no problem with my favorite fighters losing and Pac is no exception. Jesus Cesar Chavez, Ali, Tyson, Vitali and De La Hoya, just to mention a few all lost at one time in their career and I took that in stride. . . for as long as it is a clear loss . . . it's part of the game. And I don't have anything against Eric, it's Arum that I really hate.

I'm not too fond of Arum either...I just cant believe that Morales would have anything to do with a fix..and this is only the hundredth time or so that Ive heard that when Pac loses there was a "fix" of some kind :eek:

jawo

01-17-2005, 06:24 PM

Morales has the best chin 130 and under...the chances of a Pac KO are very slim.

I also find it hard for Pac to KO Morales especially in the early rounds, but he can wear him down for sure. If a KO is not possible, along the way the KD is bound to happen.

Morales may have a good chin, but his durability and stamina would make it hard to answer the relentless Pack Attack!

psychopath

01-17-2005, 07:00 PM

I'm not too fond of Arum either...I just cant believe that Morales would have anything to do with a fix..and this is only the hundredth time or so that Ive heard that when Pac loses there was a "fix" of some kind :eek:

Oh Ok now I understand why you sound that way ;) . . . but note that I'm not one of those saying that. I'm realistic . . . I know one of these days Pacs gonna lose and for as long as it's a clear loss no problem. :D