yes of course he is good if not he wouldn't be champ .. but at the same time i don't understand what the big deal is . out of no where he came with big wins.. and all begin to proclaim him as the best ...why ?....what is it? he has good defense is that it? ....yes he is good and all but some make him seem like the next Ray Robinson :eek: ...is his defense better then Toney or Mayweather i don't think it is ...is it his speed or power then ? i wouldnt call him among the best in either ...so what is it ?...and where do you rate him

yes of course he is good if not he wouldn't be champ .. but at the same time i don't understand what the big deal is . out of no where he came with big wins.. and all begin to proclaim him as the best ...why ?....what is it? he has good defense is that it? ....yes he is good and all but some make him seem like the next Ray Robinson :eek: ...is his defense better then Toney or Mayweather i don't think it is ...is it his speed or power then ? i wouldnt call him among the best in either ...so what is it ?...and where do you rate him
hes a great current fighter but of al time hes just ok. the thing that makes him great right now is that he is just now getting his shot, he was ducked by some of the best and just now is starting to come out and being known by other people besided die hard boxing fans, just like margarito. these guys look good becouse the fear they put in people in there weight class

Winky's good as he is really good at EVERYTHING. He has, in recent fights at least, shown his amazing understanding of the sweet science - ie hitting and not being hit. He makes it look so easy, so easy that in fact I once saw someone post on here "Winky's defence doesnt look difficult, I could do that". Well, you couldnt. Winky just makes it look like you could as he makes it look so easy. He is the best defensive boxer in the world today, and I include PBF in that. The reason PBF is above him in the P4P stakes is because he now offers a little more than brilliant defence - he has a ruthless streak in him now. He wants to stop fighters. Winky is a great fighter though, and my pick for P4P no 3, after PBF and Pac Man

Technically he is among the best in the business today. He's not very exciting or anything, he's just damn good at what he does, winning.

Winky's good as he is really good at EVERYTHING. He has, in recent fights at least, shown his amazing understanding of the sweet science - ie hitting and not being hit. He makes it look so easy, so easy that in fact I once saw someone post on here "Winky's defence doesnt look difficult, I could do that". Well, you couldnt. Winky just makes it look like you could as he makes it look so easy. He is the best defensive boxer in the world today, and I include PBF in that. The reason PBF is above him in the P4P stakes is because he now offers a little more than brilliant defence - he has a ruthless streak in him now. He wants to stop fighters. Winky is a great fighter though, and my pick for P4P no 3, after PBF and Pac Man

winky isnt good at finishing opponents, putting them in trouble, or overall hurting them. hahahah im just messing with ya

** Haven't heard any Robinson comparisons. Winky will never be a great fighter. He is a hardworking very good fighter who has made the best out of limited charisma and power. However, it's only the reps of fading Tito and Shane which have elevated Winky recently. He formulated a perfect style to beat them, but was caught with his pants down against Soliman and looked very limited.
Certainly Winky's defense is better than Toney's and he's better in his division than Toney, but it looks like Wink is fading now. He has another year or two at the top, so I hope he knows when to get out. He might be a darkhorse for the HOF.

all good points i'll have to keep an eye on him .no i never seen anyone compare him 2 Robinson just that i think some over rate him just a little ...he seems like a nice guy out of the ring and i have no problem with him other then beating tito :mad: i'd even put him in the p4p top 10 just dont know how high

He's personally my P4P #1. after that Pacquiao, then Mayweather Jr. And if anything, he's underrated not overrated. Just because alot of people talk about him on boxing forums doesn't mean he gets the same respect as far as boxing in general.

He's personally my P4P #1. after that Pacquiao, then Mayweather Jr. And if anything, he's underrated not overrated. Just because alot of people talk about him on boxing forums doesn't mean he gets the same respect as far as boxing in general.
no i understand that... i'm talking about people thaT PICK him over everyone ...don't know lets see when it's all done

no i understand that... i'm talking about people thaT PICK him over everyone ...don't know lets see when it's all done

well, to be honest, i would pick Wright over many fighters (Taylor included), but i'm always gonna weigh both fighters in any situation respectively.

well, to be honest, i would pick Wright over many fighters (Taylor included), but i'm always gonna weigh both fighters in any situation respectively.
yeah i understand i'm not taking anything away from him ...he is damn good but is he great just yet ?

yeah i understand i'm not taking anything away from him ...he is damn good but is he great just yet ?

i think the reason you've ever heard Ray Robinson and Wright in the same sentence is people sometimes feel he's in the same sort of situation that Robinson was in at the time where people really didn't get to see them until they were older; Robinson because of the fear of "blacking the division" during that time and Wright having to fight around the country before finally getting true recognition.

i think the reason you've ever heard Ray Robinson and Wright in the same sentence is people sometimes feel he's in the same sort of situation that Robinson was in at the time where people really didn't get to see them until they were older; Robinson because of the fear of "blacking the division" during that time and Wright having to fight around the country before finally getting true recognition.
hmm yeah i could see that... good point

He has great defence, he is a great technician, and has a good chin, but his offence is not great, and his finishing capabilities are very subpar. He is also more boring than B-hop. :?!:

He has great defence, he is a great technician, and has a good chin, but his offence is not great, and his finishing capabilities are very subpar. He is also more boring than B-hop. :?!:
thats funny i bet i am 1 of a very few people that do not find B-Hop boring but i do winky

He has great defence, he is a great technician, and has a good chin, but his offence is not great, and his finishing capabilities are very subpar. He is also more boring than B-hop. :?!:

i guess i don't understand why a fighter having "finishing capabilities" is so important to have (and i'm not picking you out machotime, i've heard this from others).. i guess i always thought it's better to be able to go the full 12 rounds of however long a fight may be (or endurance) over being able to finish an opponent early (or power). It's basically an opinion on which you personally find more appealing and for the most part, fight fans are going to find power more appealing than endurance. Again, if you're talking about "Tyson stop your ass quick, fast" type of fighting, no, that's not in Wright's resume.

Still, it's NO excuse to use when placing him in the pound for pound ranks, nor any fighter.

The rankings are made to categorize the fighters that defeat their opponents using a strong balance of offensive skill as well as defensive and that have a history of doing so in repeatively convincing fashion against quality opposition.

i guess i don't understand why a fighter having "finishing capabilities" is so important to have (and i'm not picking you out machotime, i've heard this from others).. i guess i always thought it's better to be able to go the full 12 rounds of however long a fight may be (or endurance) over being able to finish an opponent early (or power). It's basically an opinion on which you personally find more appealing and for the most part, fight fans are going to find power more appealing than endurance. Again, if you're talking about "Tyson stop your ass quick, fast" type of fighting, no, that's not in Wright's resume.

Still, it's NO excuse to use when placing him in the pound for pound ranks, nor any fighter.
gave you good k also for the last post

I can't respect anyone who has Winky at p4p number one. That's like saying Mayweather was #1 before Hopkins lost to Taylor. I don't think a serious boxing person in the entire world would rank anyone but Mayweather as #1

I can't respect anyone who has Winky at p4p number one. That's like saying Mayweather was #1 before Hopkins lost to Taylor. I don't think a serious boxing person in the entire world would rank anyone but Mayweather as #1
yeah it's hard 4 me to put anyone over him ...james toney because he is so small 5'9 fighting HV but even then PBF would prob beat him P4P

Simply put, if you have Winky as #1 p4p now for beating Mosley twice and Trinidad ( :rolleyes: ), then you damn sure better have had Corrales at #1 after he beat Casamayor, Freitas, and Castillo in a row. I've never had Corrales higher than 5 in my p4p list. Someone is nuthugging.

Simply put, if you have Winky as #1 p4p now for beating Mosley twice and Trinidad ( :rolleyes: ), then you damn sure better have had Corrales at #1 after he beat Casamayor, Freitas, and Castillo in a row. I've never had Corrales higher than 5 in my p4p list. Someone is nuthugging.

rolling eyes about Trinidad, you can be so ignorant.. sure, he's looked at as an easy opponent NOW.... i'm so tired of people taking Wright's win over Trinidad forgranted. The only one hugging is you and it continues to show with every reply you make.

Winky is a materful boxer and great defensive fighter boring to some but a winner and never afraid to fight anyone, anywhere.