Is James Toney About to Turn the Lights Out on John Ruiz?
By Darren Nichols and G. Leon

January 17, 2005 - If you are ********** member then you have already heard this in his latest interview on **********, but according to Freddie Roach, James “Lights Out” Toney is in talks with John Ruiz to vie for the Quiet Man’s WBA title. Roach went on further to share that a victory against Ruiz would then set up a fight between Toney and the winner of Vitali Klitschko-Hasim Rahman which is slated for May. "There's a few different options out there for James and by the end of the week we should have eliminated all of them, but one," said Toney's promoter Dan Goossen. -**********.net

I hope this happens. Toney will embarass Ruiz and Toney vs the winner of Rahman Klit is the fight the HW division needs . . .

Toney will kill Ruiz he fights in close and does that hugging **** Toney will use his speed and style to cut him up. As for Vitali i sure hope he is in top shape because he will have to be to have a chance.

yes, i think toney will win cause none of the heavys are really that good right now. Toney will take them out.

I hope this happens...Toney will beat Ruiz. A future Kilt vs Toney would be sweet although I believe Klit would win fairly easy

This would be a good fight for Toney, and is one of few that Ruiz could take that would interest anyone. Toney should have a pretty decent chance against Ruiz (and I think he'd be my pick) - but remember he hasn't fought anyone decent at HW yet.

If Rahman and Toney won, then I could see Toney as WBA and WBC champ if they unified. But if Klitschko were to beat Rahman, I just can't see how Toney could overcome the size difference considering how Klitschko uses it.

As for Vitali i sure hope he is in top shape because he will have to be to have a chance.

You really think Rahman is the favourite?

I can see James Toney possibly winning a close decision against Ruiz but I don't see him winning against Byrd, Vitali or even Rahman.

James Toney beats Ruiz without question Why? because James Toney is way more skilled than Ruiz. Toney KO8

I understand your logic here Mic. I feel if Toney fights the right fight he can win a dec easily against Ruiz. Toney`s small size at Heavyweight would be an advantage against Ruiz. Ruiz would one - two then hold but Toney`s fast hands would allow him to catch Ruiz whlist he went to clinch. If Ruiz was more convential i`d give Toney a chance of a KO but it isn`t easy with Ruiz. He wastes alot of time in rds with his illegal clinching and doesn`t allow his opponent to set him up. A fighter like Toney uses rymtham in his attacks, throws combos and antisapates the attack, can`t do that against Ruiz as the guys tactics are so sloppy you can`t box him. This is why Evander had so much trouble with him. After expereincing the career of Ruiz i tend to believe that for a good boxer to operate effectively they must have a half decent opponent to re - act too. With Ruiz, his greatest still is fighting totally unconventionally and thus throwing his opponent`s gameplan out the window. Alas, if only every boxer was David Tua!!

James Toney beats Ruiz without question Why? because James Toney is way more skilled than Ruiz. Toney KO8

If Toney wins it will not be by knockout. Toney gets too much credit at heavyweight. Outside of an old broken down Holyfield he has only fought an untested prospect. Ruiz style gives just about anybody fits and Toney will be no exception. I can see it going either way.

the quiet man will take care of the smallest toney :cool:

finally Ruiz will get beat, worse than roy jone's fight!

I wouldn`t jump the gun. I`d pick Toney on points in this one but two factors working very big in Ruiz` favor here.
1. Ruiz is Don King`s baby. For some reason or another King gets Ruiz very genorous judges.
2. Ruiz`s style has a habbit of messing up his opponents style. The better the boxer it seems the worse they do against Ruiz ( Roy Jones is the expection because he is an exception ).

If this fight happens the Ruiz deserves a lot of respect even though I dont care for his style of fighting.

I doubt this fight will ever take place. Lately all Don King's champions have been fighting only Don King's challengers. I don't think King will allow it. Ruiz has been bragging about wanting to take on Klichko and nothing happened.

If Toney wins it will not be by knockout. Toney gets too much credit at heavyweight. Outside of an old broken down Holyfield he has only fought an untested prospect. Ruiz style gives just about anybody fits and Toney will be no exception. I can see it going either way.

All I meant was Ruiz isn't nearly as skilled as James Toney, so James should be able to defeat him. If clinching and bad judges were non existent in boxing Ruiz would not champion.

I can't believe I am about to say this but, I would actually look forward to seeing this fight take place. Uggh!! I never thought I'd say that about a Ruiz fight.

toney can fight excellently on the inside, that is why he will beat ruiz and possibly kayo him,toney will pick him apart, ruiz is slow as hell, and that is ok against normal heavy's, not against jones and not against toney

I can't believe I am about to say this but, I would actually look forward to seeing this fight take place. Uggh!! I never thought I'd say that about a Ruiz fight.

LOL :D Finally a Ruiz fight that draws interest!!

I expect this fight will go to distance and in the end the result will be as usual: John Ruiz retains his heavyweight title with a points victory thanks to very nice judging!

Toney is no RJJ, but if he could apply his skills against Ruiz similar to Jones, then he could win this fight via dicision. There is no way Toney would get rape by Ruiz the entire time. And the score would be so distance that there is no way the judges can cheat Toney.

Damn, can you just imagine all the trash talk coming from Toney when this fight is sign?

toney can fight excellently on the inside, that is why he will beat ruiz and possibly kayo him,toney will pick him apart, ruiz is slow as hell, and that is ok against normal heavy's, not against jones and not against toney

The difference between Jones and Toney is that Jones uses movement while Toney just likes to fight on the inside. Jones got in and out quick against Ruiz taking away the hug factor but Toney is more than likely not going to be moving in and out. It would be a close fight that could go either way in my opinion.

The difference between Jones and Toney is that Jones uses movement while Toney just likes to fight on the inside. Jones got in and out quick against Ruiz taking away the hug factor but Toney is more than likely not going to be moving in and out. It would be a close fight that could go either way in my opinion.

different styles but the same principle, SPEED, toney will kill ruiz coming in, which will score enough points for the decision and possibly kayo him

I think Toney really has a chance. He would definitely be the favorite and I would say Toney via TKO 10-12.
If anyone doubts Toney's ability to handle a bigger man while at the same time being dubbed "untested" just check out his fight against Michael Nunn. I have the fight if anyone wants it PM me.

I would say James Toney wins by decision. He's too skilled for Ruiz.

Toney UD Ruiz

Ruiz by UD! Toney has lil power at heavy and while he does have good speed thats about it. Plus as stated earlier he like to fight on the inside. Look for ruiz to win another huggin fest and do enough to out point Lights OUt. Feel sorry for the Toney Fans cause unless he KOs Ruiz (seriously doubt it), Ruiz wins, PERIOD!

toney is a non-factor in the heavyweight division. look at who he has beaten. john ruiz beats JT unless he proves himself agaisnt a top 5-10 guy

Imagine the smack Toney is gonna be talking DURING the fight

The difference between Jones and Toney is that Jones uses movement while Toney just likes to fight on the inside. Jones got in and out quick against Ruiz taking away the hug factor but Toney is more than likely not going to be moving in and out. It would be a close fight that could go either way in my opinion.


yeah, JT don't move much, but he's got fast hands on the inside, he'll nail Ruiz with right hook to the body and likely follow that with uppercut before huggybear can clinch, and don't forget James Toney is an all time great, second only in natural talent to RJJ. he'll hit Ruiz in the clinches, Golota had johnnylouise hurt an awful lot in their fight but couldn't capitalize, james is much more aggressive than the foul pole, also james has a an ability to kick it up a notch when he knows he needs a knockout ( just ask Michael Second to Nunn, prince charles williams,and tim littles) i see him stopping ruiz late and taking the WBA belt

yeah, JT don't move much, but he's got fast hands on the inside, he'll nail Ruiz with right hook to the body and likely follow that with uppercut before huggybear can clinch, and don't forget James Toney is an all time great, second only in natural talent to RJJ. he'll hit Ruiz in the clinches, Golota had johnnylouise hurt an awful lot in their fight but couldn't capitalize, james is much more aggressive than the foul pole, also james has a an ability to kick it up a notch when he knows he needs a knockout ( just ask Michael Second to Nunn, prince charles williams,and tim littles) i see him stopping ruiz late and taking the WBA belt
Im willing to bet (of course if this fight comes off)you $50 via neteller or paypal that Ruiz wins! You want the bet? PM me in our interested. I hate Ruiz, but I also relize James Toney is tailor made for Ruiz's style NOT the other way around! I'll take the first person to bet me. PM me and we will work out the details!

Though James Toney is a great boxer with undeniable skills, IMO he still has a lot to prove as a heavyweight. John Ruiz IS a proven heavyweight.

IMO - Toney would unfortunately, .... be lucky to survive a bout with Ruiz. And even if he did, he wont survive Rahman and certainly not Vitali.

Personally, I hope someone finally shuts him up.

Still think Toney nicks a 12 rd dec. Ruiz isn`t that skilled and he can be out boxed. Wouldn`t see how Toney could be able to last with Klitscko, that would be a funny fight to make with nearly a foot in height difference!
Rahman has been on a roll of late but he is still an inconsistant fighting. I think Rahman / Toney has the danger of being a decent fight actually. But i think Klitscko KO`s Rahman at some stage in their fight!

Toney will beat Ruiz, but I doubt he can beat Vitali

Even though I hate Ruiz, I have to give him credit from a punchers standpoint. He hit Golota with some hard shots that would probably have ko'd others the way he ko'd Oquendo. Golota has the ability unlike Oquendo to take a heavyweights punch. I am still not sold that Toney can take a heavyweights punch.

Toney has never been hurt in 65+ fights

you willing to beet on it?

I guess Toney is smarter than I thought for not fighting Vitali.

Depending on how easily Toney beats Ruiz, I will let you know how easily he will beat Vitali

Hey Biglittleman I'll bet you $50.00 on this fight. Ruiz wins. You interested? We can set it up via neteller, paypal? You game
Damn it's funny but I can't get one of the Toney scrotum sailors to take this bet? Hmmmm, maybe there not that confident in their man? :confused:

Toney has never been hurt in 65+ fights
He has never been hit as hard as heavyweights hit. Being hit by a middleweight/ cruiserweight is alot less painful.

After that
Mike Tyson
will turn
the lights
out on
james fatboy toney

It won't happen.

After that
Mike Tyson
will turn
the lights
out on
james fatboy toney
Are you sure you aren't Mike Tyson Sr.? Oh yeah, I forgot, the real Mike Tyson doesn't want to be heavyweight champ.

After that
Mike Tyson
will turn
the lights
out on
james fatboy toney

Yes Sirr!!!

Are you sure you aren't Mike Tyson Sr.? Oh yeah, I forgot, the real Mike Tyson doesn't want to be heavyweight champ.




thats why he is training
very hard. of course
he wants to be champion
again. unlike nasseem
hammed who looks like
a terrorist

thats why he is training
very hard. of course
he wants to be champion
again. unlike nasseem
hammed who looks like
a terrorist
Ah man! You made fun of The Prince! What ever will I do? I can't believe you honestly believe any of the bull**** you are saying right now.

Ah man! You made fun of The Prince! What ever will I do? I can't believe you honestly believe any of the bull**** you are saying right now.




Mike Tyson cant
help it if he
is the greatest
of all time.
the great ones
always comback
look at the second greatest
of all time Ali he came back so
can Mike.

how good is james toney's chin? has he ever been hurt?

Mike Tyson cant
help it if he
is the greatest
of all time.
the great ones
always comback
look at the second greatest
of all time Ali he came back so
can Mike.
OK, now I know you're bull****ting. Who is this, Willy, Corso? This has to be a joke.

OK, now I know you're bull****ting. Who is this, Willy, Corso? This has to be a joke.


you honestly believe
i am joking. tyson is
the greatest of all time
i'm serious. i'm as serious
as naseem hammed's
defeat to marco antonio barrerra

you honestly believe
i am joking. tyson is
the greatest of all time
i'm serious. i'm as serious
as naseem hammed's
defeat to marco antonio barrerra
Danny Williams is the best of all time. After that, it's Holyfield, Lewis, and Douglas. Tyson is 5th best all time I guess, right?

Danny Williams is the best of all time. After that, it's Holyfield, Lewis, and Douglas. Tyson is 5th best all time I guess, right?



tyson only loss to danny
williams cuz his knee got ripped.
williams is a bum who got very
lucky. there is no way a euro-sissy
can beat mike. danny williams is lucky
mike ripped his knee. danny williams
is just a lottery winner.

I was at the Tyson-Williams fight. The knee cost Tyson the fight. It was sad.

I was at the Tyson-Williams fight. The knee cost Tyson the fight. It was sad.


i know many people are blind
they write tyson off when he just
messed his knee up. no one can fight with
a ripped knee no one. danny williams just got
very lucky. mike is in training he will
be back for sure.

A true warrior & great fighter should be able to KO a bum like Williams, even with a bum knee.

hi, welcome to boxing. I'm sure once you learn a thing or two, you'll become an expert on the sport. But since you're not, I'll tell you that your punching power comes from your legs. Without your legs, you cannot win.

i know many people are blind
they write tyson off when he just
messed his knee up. no one can fight with
a ripped knee no one. danny williams just got
very lucky. mike is in training he will
be back for sure.
What excuses do you have for the Lennox Lewis fight?

that Lewis is top 4 heavyweight of all time, and everyone loses to him

hi, welcome to boxing. I'm sure once you learn a thing or two, you'll become an expert on the sport. But since you're not, I'll tell you that your punching power comes from your legs. Without your legs, you cannot win.
I know. Ask Zab Judah.

that Lewis is top 4 heavyweight of all time, and everyone loses to him
Top 4 all time? Are you sure? Zab Judah's number 3, right? How about Holyfield and Douglas? What were the excuses there?

What excuses do you have for the Lennox Lewis fight?


mike wasn't ready for lennox
because of inactivity he was
out of shape. he asked lennox
for two warm up fights. but lennox
wasn't having it cuz he knew he couldnt
beat a in shape tyson. there is no way
lennox could beat a in shape tyson. tyson in his prime would have ko'd lennox in one round. lennox really loss to ray mercer
anyway so he wasnt even the true champ. ray mercer beat
lennox ass. watch that fight you'll see.

mike wasn't ready for lennox
because of inactivity he was
out of shape. he asked lennox
for two warm up fights. but lennox
wasn't having it cuz he knew he couldnt
beat a in shape tyson. there is no way
lennox could beat a in shape tyson. tyson in his prime would have ko'd lennox in one round. lennox really loss to ray mercer
anyway so he wasnt even the true champ. ray mercer beat
lennox ass. watch that fight you'll see.
Mike Tyson is done. He is no longer as fast as he was, lacks the desire to fight. There was a time when he was fighting for his place in history. Now he's fighting because he needs the money. Next good fighter he fights will also KO him. Lennox Lewis was simply a league and a half above Tyson. Tyson is boxings black eye.

Mike Tyson is done. He is no longer as fast as he was, lacks the desire to fight. There was a time when he was fighting for his place in history. Now he's fighting because he needs the money. Next good fighter he fights will also KO him. Lennox Lewis was simply a league and a half above Tyson. Tyson is boxings black eye.




he is just beginning
he is the new george foreman
gonna comback as an old man
and win it. he is training
with mcgirt the best trainer
in the world. also prince naseem
hameed is a joke.

he is just beginning
he is the new george foreman
gonna comback as an old man
and win it. he is training
with mcgirt the best trainer
in the world. also prince naseem
hameed is a joke.
I think a Mike Tyson grill is his best option as far as making money. I think The Prince is more credible now than is Tyson. Tyson is done! Move on! Why don't you go for a Zab Judah or one of these other underachievers? I think Judah is a perfect fit for you.

I think a Mike Tyson grill is his best option as far as making money. I think The Prince is more credible now than is Tyson. Tyson is done! Move on! Why don't you go for a Zab Judah or one of these other underachievers? I think Judah is a perfect fit for you.



at least zab judah
is a better fighter than
hammed. hammed the fool
disappeared after he loss
to MAB. at least judah still
continued on after losing to ZOO
cuz he got heart. unlike that
flash in the pan
hammed

I think there is something wrong with you in the head, its an illness. How the hell can you come out with such retarded comments? Tyson is a shot fighter, he is not suddenly gonna train hard and recapture his youth and explode on the scene as champion. He is shot, he doesn`t care about pursuing a career in boxing, all he cares about is whoring himself out for the next pay check and hopefully pinning down a pretty teenager and brutally raping her. Thats all there is to Mike Tyson. It isn`t gonna change and the sooner you snap back to reality the better it will be for everyone!

at least zab judah
is a better fighter than
hammed. hammed the fool
disappeared after he loss
to MAB. at least judah still
continued on after losing to ZOO
cuz he got heart. unlike that
flash in the pan
hammed
A Judah fan. Why am I not surprised?

I think there is something wrong with you in the head, its an illness. How the hell can you come out with such retarded comments? Tyson is a shot fighter, he is not suddenly gonna train hard and recapture his youth and explode on the scene as champion. He is shot, he doesn`t care about pursuing a career in boxing, all he cares about is whoring himself out for the next pay check and hopefully pinning down a pretty teenager and brutally raping her. Thats all there is to Mike Tyson. It isn`t gonna change and the sooner you snap back to reality the better it will be for everyone!



your wrong he will come back
and he didnt rape that girl
just read that new book by
the famous lawyer alan dershowitz
he will tell you and show you
there was no way he raped that girl
and millions know he didnt rape that
girl.
and george w. bush sucks by the way.

I think people underesimate Toney way to much. Vitali is good but he was sucking air against Williams if Toney can hold on for the first few rounds he is in much better shape than Williams and Vitali will be fighting for his life. Vitali is definitly the favorite but it will be close i think. Toney is much faster than any oppenents Vitali has fought, he also has better reflexes, and his chin will hold. Also Vitali likes to come foward if Toney can use his counter punching in the phone booth he has a chance to ko Vitali in the late rounds i think. (im not saying toney will win but he has a better chance than anyone seems to think)

RUiz sucks toney in 8

Also Vitali likes to come foward if Toney can use his counter punching in the phone booth he has a chance to ko Vitali in the late rounds i think. RUiz sucks toney in 8

Are you fukin retards even reading your posts? Jame Toney is gonna KO Vitali now? Hey if you think he's that great take my bet of $50.00 on the Toney/Ruiz fight i got Ruiz, you game?

Man everyone avoiding this bet like the plauge! :mad:

Depending on how easily Toney beats Ruiz, I will let you know how easily he will beat Vitali

The saddest thing about this is that you are being serious.

The saddest thing about this is that you are being serious.


of course he is serious, James Toney is a hall of famer, who the **** is Vitali Klitscko? you are drunk with bias man, on every dam thread too, its actually physically sickening to hear you kiss this mans ass time and time again. what has he done? he had a chance to kayo lewis and he couldnt do it, the man was 38 and ripe for the picking, face it he is nobody

of course he is serious, James Toney is a hall of famer, who the **** is Vitali Klitscko? you are drunk with bias man, on every dam thread too, its actually physically sickening to hear you kiss this mans ass time and time again. what has he done? he had a chance to kayo lewis and he couldnt do it, the man was 38 and ripe for the picking, face it he is nobody

James Toney is not a heavyweight. Wake up man.

Is James Toney About to Turn the Lights Out on John Ruiz?
By Darren Nichols and G. Leon

January 17, 2005 - If you are ********** member then you have already heard this in his latest interview on **********, but according to Freddie Roach, James “Lights Out” Toney is in talks with John Ruiz to vie for the Quiet Man’s WBA title. Roach went on further to share that a victory against Ruiz would then set up a fight between Toney and the winner of Vitali Klitschko-Hasim Rahman which is slated for May. "There's a few different options out there for James and by the end of the week we should have eliminated all of them, but one," said Toney's promoter Dan Goossen. -**********.net

How awesome would this be
James Toney would destroy Ruiz
Damn what a year this is going to be

of course he is serious, James Toney is a hall of famer, who the **** is Vitali Klitscko? you are drunk with bias man, on every dam thread too, its actually physically sickening to hear you kiss this mans ass time and time again. what has he done? he had a chance to kayo lewis and he couldnt do it, the man was 38 and ripe for the picking, face it he is nobody

Man you boys need a hero! Like James Toney would have ever KOed LL? LMFO!!!!!!!! Hey still takin bets on TONEY/RUIZ I got 50.00 on Ruiz any takers???????????? :confused:

Vitali's last 6 opponents would all easily beat Booker and the Holyfield that Toney beat, so I don't know what you're talking about.

no i am serious and im not a retard. Whats with everone thinking Vitali is some god he punches hard yes, and is smart but he is slow and cuts easily. Toney put a hurting on old man Holyfield yes he has 10 times past his prime but he got hit with some big shots and nothing happened watch the fight. Anyway i cant wait for Toney to fight Vitali if and when it happens cause he is a robot and i would love to see a trash talker like Toney as the champ.

Ruiz would get the beating of his life and it would beat great to see him put to pasture. He is a disgrace to Puerto Rico.

no i am serious and im not a retard. Whats with everone thinking Vitali is some god he punches hard yes, and is smart but he is slow and cuts easily. Toney put a hurting on old man Holyfield yes he has 10 times past his prime but he got hit with some big shots and nothing happened watch the fight. Anyway i cant wait for Toney to fight Vitali if and when it happens cause he is a robot and i would love to see a trash talker like Toney as the champ.

This just in, Vitali hits a lot harder than Holyfield.

This just in, Vitali hits a lot harder than Holyfield.

Dude don't even waste yer breath. These are nutlickerz. These are the same type of ppl who were sayin JCGomez was gonna rule the division b4 a fukin scrub whooped his ass. Also, how great Guinn was and he was the heir apparent. Just laugh at them or pitty them, but don't take them seriously @ all!

Yeah, Holy didn't have much of a punch even in his prime, and Toney couldn't drop Jirov until the very last round, and then he just got right back up. Toney is a good fighter, but to say he's going to knock VK out, that's...well, that's just not very likely. Oh, almost forgot, Toney was stunned a couple of times against Jirov, VK's quite a bit bigger than Jirov, and won't be trying to outfight Toney on the inside like Jirov did.

james toney is a badass boxer, but he's never gonna get to the top of the heavyweight division at his age. he should drop back down to light heavy and end his carrear by winning a title there, go out in style instead of trying this suicide mission for the heavyweight title.

I am willing to put up 25 million points (barring a no-contest) to anyone willing to put their points where their mouth is.

I pick John Ruiz.

I am willing to put up 25 million points (barring a no-contest) to anyone willing to put their points where their mouth is.

I pick John Ruiz.

I am willing to put 200,000 points against your 25 million points? Deal?

I am willing to put 200,000 points against your 25 million points? Deal?

Now how is that fair? Would 200,000 bankrupt you?

Now how is that fair? Would 200,000 bankrupt you?


Yes, they would.


Just name the amount you are willing to put against my 200,000.

Yes, they would.


Just name the amount you are willing to put against my 200,000.

All right then - we will do this to make it fair:

Your 40,000 vs my 25,000,000

And I still owe Nautilus and Neuraxis 1,000,000 each if Vitali legitimately KOs Rahman...

man i hat Ruiz, he has the most annoying style, i want to see him get knockedout..i hope james toney is the man for the job...cuz that Ruiz bum has been around for too long now.

man i hat Ruiz, he has the most annoying style, i want to see him get knockedout..i hope james toney is the man for the job...cuz that Ruiz bum has been around for too long now.


You ain't lyin'

And I still owe Nautilus and Neuraxis 1,000,000 each if Vitali legitimately KOs Rahman...

Which should be a pretty safe bet as Vitali has had 2 legitimate KOs in his past 20 fights.

Which should be a pretty safe bet as Vitali has had 2 legitimate KOs in his past 20 fights.

Lennox was able to do it...

Lennox was able to do it...

And Vitali is not as good as a prime Lewis...

And Vitali is not as good as a prime Lewis...

I'm surprised you admit that. Change of heart?

Ruiz beat Rahman and Oquendo, Toney beat Holyfeild, so did Ruiz.
I could see it going either way.

I am no nutlicker toney is not even in my top 3 favorite fighters i like him but i just have a different view of how a fight with Vitali would unfold, we will see.

Toney has a great shot at beating Ruiz and I think he can work him with that same right hook body/uppercut combo that he killed Booker with when Ruiz is coming in. toney won't let that holding **** go on for long without making Ruiz pay everytime he tries it.

As for Toney/Vitali, time isn't helping James and if the fight ever does come off it would be a big time mismatch in size for sure. I highly doubt James could KO Vitali...maybe with severe body punishment but I wouldn't see it happenin. Toney would have to win a decision. It is my dream fight of the year however so I hope that they meet up.

I think Toney would have a great shot against Byrd too. Rahman/Toney would look like Holy/Toney cept we'd see James get rocked more and he'd really have to be on top of his game for the whole fight.

I'm surprised you admit that. Change of heart?

No its just a lot of people apparently yourself included think that just because I think Vitali is the best current heavyweight, that I think that he is a top 5 all time great.

Toney and Goossen are two of a kind. I have never heard a boxer and promoter talk as much **** and never back it up the way these two ****heads do. Toney needs to fight someone legit in the heavyweight division because sooner or later everyone will get tired of hearing him running his diarrhea mouth.

there is pretty much no way king is letting ruiz fight toney...... this fight aint happening

Is James Toney About to Turn the Lights Out on John Ruiz?
By Darren Nichols and G. Leon

January 17, 2005 - If you are ********** member then you have already heard this in his latest interview on **********, but according to Freddie Roach, James “Lights Out” Toney is in talks with John Ruiz to vie for the Quiet Man’s WBA title. Roach went on further to share that a victory against Ruiz would then set up a fight between Toney and the winner of Vitali Klitschko-Hasim Rahman which is slated for May. "There's a few different options out there for James and by the end of the week we should have eliminated all of them, but one," said Toney's promoter Dan Goossen. -**********.net
Ruiz is a BUM!

hi, welcome to boxing. I'm sure once you learn a thing or two, you'll become an expert on the sport. But since you're not, I'll tell you that your punching power comes from your legs. Without your legs, you cannot win.

then how does VK beat up on his opponents the entire fight with arm punches, eventually KO'ing them??
if he actually put his shoulders, hips, feet, etc into a powershot, the effects would be crushing...

I think people underesimate Toney way to much. Vitali is good but he was sucking air against Williams if Toney can hold on for the first few rounds he is in much better shape than Williams and Vitali will be fighting for his life. Vitali is definitly the favorite but it will be close i think. Toney is much faster than any oppenents Vitali has fought, he also has better reflexes, and his chin will hold. Also Vitali likes to come foward if Toney can use his counter punching in the phone booth he has a chance to ko Vitali in the late rounds i think. (im not saying toney will win but he has a better chance than anyone seems to think)

RUiz sucks toney in 8

I think that if VK and Toney fight, VK will just need to lean against him and use his weight against Toney, especially against the ropes, for these 'first few rounds' or even for the first 6 or so rounds..
then when the end of the fight nears, VK won't have to worry about Toney's 2nd wind or lightning speed.
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james toney is a badass boxer, but he's never gonna get to the top of the heavyweight division at his age. he should drop back down to light heavy and end his carrear by winning a title there, go out in style instead of trying this suicide mission for the heavyweight title.

These are words of wisdom.. :)

I can see James Toney possibly winning a close decision against Ruiz but I don't see him winning against Byrd, Vitali or even Rahman.
Vitali is a big question mark as far as I'm concerned, but not the other two. Rahman have both been inconcistent in their careers, but when they're in top form, Toney had been better, challenging for a pound for pound spot, which Rahman has never come close to doing. Furthermore, Rahman is more consistently inconsistent, even missing the point in the middle of fights. Against Byrd, Toney will benefit from a more solid frame and in-fighting skills that are just as good as the titlist's if not better. In the end some folks will think back to the Michael Nunn win, though the only true resmblance will be that he beat a slick boxer with a late rounds ko. And Ruiz will quit like the ***** he is.

This is something I've never understood, the only ref that stopped Ruiz from holding was the one in his fight against RJJ. In that fight, RJJ kept away from him for most of the fight, but at the end, Ruiz was getting him on theropes every so often and every time that happened, the ref broke it up before anyone even had a chence to grab the others' arm or anything. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Ruiz, and I'm glad he lost that fight, I'm just saying why was that ref the only one to ever take any action whatsoever?

This may be a bad move for Toney. He is not nearly as mobile as Roy Jones was.

Toney will easily lose to Ruiz, but not one person here will bet money against Ruiz. They know deep down Toney is not a threat at heavy and are just waiting to see what happens

Toney will easily lose to Ruiz, but not one person here will bet money against Ruiz. They know deep down Toney is not a threat at heavy and are just waiting to see what happens
I'm not so sure. Toney is a solid fighter and ruiz is a joke. If it weren't for the size difference i'd easily hand the win to toney, and rjj proved that ruiz can go down to a smaller guy.

Toney will easily lose to Ruiz, but not one person here will bet money against Ruiz. They know deep down Toney is not a threat at heavy and are just waiting to see what happens

still no takers on your bet?
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