some dude mentioned this in the patterson-marciano thread, and he was right it is more interesting.

so how do you see this fight going?

marciano 5.10 and 185
liston 6.1 and 210.

Yeah I thought this would be a great match up. As soon as the opening bell is rung these guys would be on it each other.

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Both were tremendous fighters of their age and it would be a huge bloodbath as they could both hit hard.

Liston had the best jab in the business and Marciano had brilliant staying power.

Marciano hated Liston and wanted to come out of retirement to fight him. A friend of Marciano talked him out of it.

Both in their primes in a 15 round war would be a close call. Liston has the height, weight and reach advantage whilst Marciano had the better chin and heart. Both could hit very hard.

I'd say Liston could win with a mid to early TKO, or Marciano could win with a late KO.

yes this would be a great fight but i see a ko for marciano by about the 7th

The longer the fight goes on, the more chance Maricano has of winning. Liston liked to take out his opponents early, if he failed to do this then he resorted to dirty tactics or giving up.

The first 3 rounds will be dangerous for Marciano, Liston could score an early TKO if he went for Marciano full throttle.

Rocky Marciano is my alltime favorite fighter, and I can envision him surviving Listons early bombs, to come back and kayo Liston later on. After all, he had more heart, better stamina, a solid chin and an incredible punch.

Still, Liston was the better boxer, and would be the most skilled fighter Marciano ever fought (Louis and Moore included, as they were both way past their best). He would also be the most powerful puncher Marciano ever faced, and even though Marciano sure had a cast iron chin, he never got it tested at this level of punishment.
Including Listons superior reach and weight advantage, he would present Marciano with a tremendous challenge.

I say Liston wins this one. The ref is forced to step in as the always game Marciano keeps getting slammed to the canvas, but refusing to quit, jumps back up to run into that jab and thundering right hand.

Sonny Liston by tko5.

i see marciano wearing liston down and koing him late, a tko victory for liston is also pretty likely to happen, kinda depends on how long the ref would let it go on.

if the fight was by the stardard of stoppage of the day marciano wins by late ko. it it was by todays standards liston by tko.

Lets see. Liston was bigger, stronger, faster, could hit at marcianos level, a better boxer and with superior reach. rocky was ****in marvelous considering his many flaws, but liston would own his ass.

Lets see. Liston was bigger, stronger, faster, could hit at marcianos level, a better boxer and with superior reach. rocky was ****in marvelous considering his many flaws, but liston would own his ass.


lets see some more, marciano was by no means a weaker puncher, had a better chin, more stamina and way more heart.

had a better chin, more stamina and way more heart.

Need more than that to beat Liston. (You need to have chemical resistant eyes)

Need more than that to beat Liston. (You need to have chemical resistant eyes)

lol yeah


i must admit listons long stiff jabb on the outside and right uppercut on the inside would be hard to face.

just saw a tribute to liston and man, was he muscled his arms, lats and shoulder where insane, that being said his legs wasnt so thick.

Lets see. Liston was bigger, stronger, faster, could hit at marcianos level, a better boxer and with superior reach. rocky was ****in marvelous considering his many flaws, but liston would own his ass.

bigger,faster, yes

stronger,ahahahaha no way was liston stronger then Marciano the only man to match marciano's strength was foreman alrite so there's no way Liston was stronger then marciano
i give this to marciano, round 7-9 KO

Liston stronger no way :boxing:

bigger,faster, yes

stronger,ahahahaha no way was liston stronger then Marciano the only man to match marciano's strength was foreman alrite so there's no way Liston was stronger then marciano
i give this to marciano, round 7-9 KO

Liston stronger no way

I think Marciano is stronger than Liston. I wouldn't say it was just Foreman who hit harder than Marciano. Shavers hit ****ing hard too! Shavers and Foreman were like wrecking balls, lol.

i didn't say Foreman hit harder then Marciano i said he matched his strength but with shavers i don't know i never seen him fight but from what i hear foreman hit harder then shavers so

You can't say Foreman hit exactly the same as Marciano though. That is scientificly unlikely. But I don't want to turn this into a who hit harder, Foreman - Marciano debate. This is about Liston and Marciano knocking the shit out of each other! lol.

You can't say Foreman hit exactly the same as Marciano though. That is scientificly unlikely. But I don't want to turn this into a who hit harder, Foreman - Marciano debate. This is about Liston and Marciano knocking the shit out of each other! lol.
no i know its pretty much impossible to say they were the same i mean nobody has the same strength for there entire career but i don't want to turn it into a debate just saying that liston wasn't stronger the Rocky

you saved this thread from being
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How do you guys think Marciano would have reacted if Liston used his old chemical tricks on him? I think Marciano would fight on blind because he had some heart, but do you think he could win blind like Ali (Clay) did?

heh Marciano would never quit, and thats not me saying that he said that, he said that. Marciano's the kind of person would not quit he either had to be knocked out completely or have the fight stopped cause the 2 times he did get knocked down he got back up and knocked his opponents out

How do you guys think Marciano would have reacted if Liston used his old chemical tricks on him? I think Marciano would fight on blind because he had some heart, but do you think he could win blind like Ali (Clay) did?

As far as I know, rocky did fight blinded for a few rounds against jersey joe. and no way did he ever quit. he would come after liston, even if he got one arm chopped off. ****in heart on that guy! but liston still ****s him up though :boxing:

lol Marciano fought like he was blind sometimes. If Liston did cheat, Marciano would get pissed off and keep coming. A tough fight! But I think Marciano by late ko.

As far as I know, rocky did fight blinded for a few rounds against jersey joe. and no way did he ever quit. he would come after liston, even if he got one arm chopped off. ****in heart on that guy! but liston still ****s him up though :boxing:
i don't know what your talking about man
Liston would ktfo, even if marciano had to wear him down until the 8th round makes no difference The Rock's punches would catch up with him and he would get ktfo (liston) :boxing:

but your entitled to your opinion i ain't taking away from you just saying what i think

I think Liston would stick him with the jab from the outside like Louis tried, except a young Liston would have the stamina and quickness to keep it up and not let Marciano catch up. Marciano never fought a man who had both Liston's dimensions (82" reach)and skill level.

If it becomes a dogfight, Liston gets the worst of it. I think Liston was an animal, and had a punch like a sledgehammer but Marciano was one of the greatest pure fighters boxing has seen. His stamina and punching power were unbelievable. No one at that weight comes close to Marciano in hitting ability.

The only guys I see beating Marciano in an out and out slugfest are Foreman (and that's a maybe) and perhaps Mike Tyson because of his ridiculous handspeed and headmovement. He would technically be standing in front of Marciano and trading without getting hit. If Marciano lands though, hell he could take the fight out of Tyson as well.

So to recap, I can see Liston staying outside and boxing Marciano, winning a decision or stopping him on cuts, but I can also see Marciano catching up in the later rounds and forcing Liston to fight at close distance, where he would go through him like a buzzsaw through timber.

Put a gun to my head and I say Marciano. Heart and pure fighting instinct usually wins out over a trained fighter of bigger size. Marciano is the bigger warrior, Liston being a reformed leg breaker trained in the noble science of pugilism.

well what i think you said is either liston by decision/stoppage on cuts
or Marciano by KO

and i can actually agree with that, if marciano didn't ko liston, then yea liston would probably win by stoppage or decision

and i agree with completely with what you said above that

wow, the things people say on this forum. do you actually think marciano has a chance? this would be like foreman-frazier I, only worse, cause marciano is way smaller, weaker, and slower than frazier. liston takes marciano out in one round probably before the first minute ends. liston would floor marciano at least five or six times with his jab alone, and sonny's straight right would have rocky dizzier than frazier was in '73.

People underestimate Liston, which is a shame because he was a great heavyweight with probrably the best jab in history.

liston takes marciano out in one round probably before the first minute ends. liston would floor marciano at least five or six times with his jab alone, and sonny's straight right would have rocky dizzier than frazier was in '73.

Perhaps the worst post I've ever read on this forum. Congratulations.

wow, the things people say on this forum. do you actually think marciano has a chance? this would be like foreman-frazier I, only worse, cause marciano is way smaller, weaker, and slower than frazier. liston takes marciano out in one round probably before the first minute ends. liston would floor marciano at least five or six times with his jab alone, and sonny's straight right would have rocky dizzier than frazier was in '73.

I think not
cause Frazier is up there with the best/strongest heavyweight sluggers but marciano is stronger then frazier and yea liston was good and would have probably been more recognized as a good champ if ali hadn't beat him but the point is Marciano's shots would catch up with liston and KO him

I think not
cause Frazier is up there with the best/strongest heavyweight sluggers but marciano is stronger then frazier and yea liston was good and would have probably been more recognized as a good champ if ali hadn't beat him but the point is Marciano's shots would catch up with liston and KO him

this is a bad style matchup at it's worst. marciano takes shots to deliver them, which is suicide against someone with liston's style and punching power. liston wouldn't be worn down, cause there wouldn't be enough time. just watch foreman-frazier. only this would end quicker.

ok i'm gunna tell ya something that your not gunna wanna believe but its true, Marciano when he was on the defensive and even sometimes when he was on the offensive was not as easy to hit as you believe cause his whole style (the whole crouch) was all about evading punches, and with Marciano's granite chin absobing punches from greats like Walcott and Charles and even Moore there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to wear down Liston in the first 6 rounds and then KO him

i don't see how its like Frazier-Foreman cause like the way your saying is it Frazier is Marciano and Foreman is Liston.

Marciano's style is closer to Foremans then it is to Fraziers and listons style is closer to Fraziers then it is to forman so i'm alittle confused

Foreman-Frazier<---good fight

wow, the things people say on this forum. do you actually think marciano has a chance? this would be like foreman-frazier I, only worse, cause marciano is way smaller, weaker, and slower than frazier. liston takes marciano out in one round probably before the first minute ends. liston would floor marciano at least five or six times with his jab alone, and sonny's straight right would have rocky dizzier than frazier was in '73.


ive been expecting you.

firstly
liston aint foreman
and marciano aint liston.

secondly you say that frazier who was 1inch taller and had 20lbs more fat was waaaaay bigger.

thirdly you say that frazier was waaaay stronger....where did that come from?

and saying marciano would be kd by a jabb is just plain silly

Some how I can't see Marciano losing to a round 1 KO by jab... :rolleyes:

I think that Liston will be Marciano's toughest fight though and it could go either way.

yea
but didn't larry holmes have a better jab then liston?

I think Listons was better, but some would disagree with me.

i'm not disagreeing just telling you what i heard

I think Listons was better, but some would disagree with me.

holmes was faster but liston was harder

liston knock down marciano two or three rounds before the ref stop it in the four or mariano making it past the 5th round to ko liston in a stunning comeback with a 7thround tko in the fight of the year

ok i'm gunna tell ya something that your not gunna wanna believe but its true, Marciano when he was on the defensive and even sometimes when he was on the offensive was not as easy to hit as you believe cause his whole style (the whole crouch) was all about evading punches, and with Marciano's granite chin absobing punches from greats like Walcott and Charles and even Moore there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to wear down Liston in the first 6 rounds and then KO him

i don't see how its like Frazier-Foreman cause like the way your saying is it Frazier is Marciano and Foreman is Liston.

Marciano's style is closer to Foremans then it is to Fraziers and listons style is closer to Fraziers then it is to forman so i'm alittle confused

Foreman-Frazier<---good fight

do you realize that frazier copied marciano's style and that foreman was liston's sparring partner? so how is marciano like foreman and liston like frazier? that doesn't make any sense. marciano's best win came aginst jersey joe walcott the first time. liston is way better than watcott, and anybody who says jersey joe is better needs to have his head examined. liston's jab could floor a hw with ease and his straight right is even worse! marciano would not make it out of the first round with liston. it would be worst than the patterson fights, because at least patterson was fast enough to dodge listons blows the first two minutes, but marciano has no speed to speak of, so marciano would most likely get hit with almost all the punches liston throws, and the fight would end in a minute or so IMO.

do you realize that frazier copied marciano's style and that foreman was liston's sparring partner? so how is marciano like foreman and liston like frazier? that doesn't make any sense. marciano's best win came aginst jersey joe walcott the first time. liston is way better than watcott, and anybody who says jersey joe is better needs to have his head examined. liston's jab could floor a hw with ease and his straight right is even worse! marciano would not make it out of the first round with liston. it would be worst than the patterson fights, because at least patterson was fast enough to dodge listons blows the first two minutes, but marciano has no speed to speak of, so marciano would most likely get hit with almost all the punches liston throws, and the fight would end in a minute or so IMO.

agree with liston being better than walcot.

and now marciano would not be hit by every thing his defence was pretty decent.

i agree patterson is way faster but marciano still has a lot better chin, hence he would by no means be koed in the first.

your overrating liston

agree with liston being better than walcot.

and now marciano would not be hit by every thing his defence was pretty decent.

i agree patterson is way faster but marciano still has a lot better chin, hence he would by no means be koed in the first.

your overrating liston

well, watcott and moore knocked him down, so liston would keep him down.

well, watcott and moore knocked him down, so liston would keep him down.

caught him off balance and kd him yes, and rocky was upp in about 3 sec both times.

besides knocking someone down isnt by far the same as koing someone.

caught him off balance and kd him yes, and rocky was upp in about 3 sec both times.

besides knocking someone down isnt by far the same as koing someone.

well, marciano probably would get up the first time, but by then liston would have marciano hurt and sonny would make sure marciano doesn't recover and liston will keep flooring him until marciano stays down.

listen all i'm saying is that i can't see liston beating Marciano cause i mean i'm watching the Marciano walcott fight right now and its very obvious as i've stated before marciano's not nearly as easy to hit as everyone says

the only time he gets hit is when he goes in for the really close shots and just throws it then he gets hit and he'll give you the hit back 2x the strength

i mean even if Walcott wasn't as good as liston that doesn't matter cause they wouldn't do everything the same, i mean Frazier beat a prime ali and yet Foreman beat frazier and Ali beat foreman so not all fighters are gunna think the same becasue by rites if i'm using your logic foreman should've beat ali

i mean even if Walcott wasn't as good as liston that doesn't matter cause they wouldn't do everything the same, i mean Frazier beat a prime ali and yet Foreman beat frazier and Ali beat foreman so not all fighters are gunna think the same becasue by rites if i'm using your logic foreman should've beat ali

well logically foreman should have beaten ali, thats why its so great that he won.

i mean Frazier beat a prime ali

You can't say Ali was in his absolute prime for that fight, but yeah he did win fair and square.

listen all i'm saying is that i can't see liston beating Marciano cause i mean i'm watching the Marciano walcott fight right now and its very obvious as i've stated before marciano's not nearly as easy to hit as everyone says

the only time he gets hit is when he goes in for the really close shots and just throws it then he gets hit and he'll give you the hit back 2x the strength

marciano barely beat walcott cause walcott had a weak chin. do you think liston would be ko'd from a shot like that? and don't use the ali fight as a crutch, because we all know liston took a dive on that one. liston and marciano is just a bad style matchup, that's all.

marciano barely beat walcott cause walcott had a weak chin. do you think liston would be ko'd from a shot like that? and don't use the ali fight as a crutch, because we all know liston took a dive on that one. liston and marciano is just a bad style matchup, that's all.

dude that is argueble the hardest shot in the history off the sport, walcot wasnt just ko0ed he looked like rock had shot.

and for the record YES that punch would have koed liston and probably every sigle other boxer who has ever lived.

dude that is argueble the hardest shot in the history off the sport, walcot wasnt just ko0ed he looked like rock had shot.

and for the record YES that punch would have koed liston and probably every sigle other boxer who has ever lived.

yeah sure? so that punch would have ko'd chuvalo, or foreman, or frazier, or even ali? the punch didn't look thast hard to begin with, and we all know that walcott chin is glass. he got ko'd by fighters nobody has ever heard of. i doubt liston would be even floored with that shot, maybe but not likely. and he definetely wouldn't be ko'd, so that punch is overrated.

yeah sure? so that punch would have ko'd chuvalo, or foreman, or frazier, or even ali? the punch didn't look thast hard to begin with, and we all know that walcott chin is glass. he got ko'd by fighters nobody has ever heard of. i doubt liston would be even floored with that shot, maybe but not likely. and he definetely wouldn't be ko'd, so that punch is overrated.

laid dead on the floor for minutes.

with out a doubt that punch would have koed liston

laid dead on the floor for minutes.

with out a doubt that punch would have koed liston

don't sell the guy short cause ali made him look stupid. ali makes everyone look stupid.

don't sell the guy short cause ali made him look stupid. ali makes everyone look stupid.

i dont, i think liston is underrated by the common fan, i myself rank him at 6th, however based on the fact that he was koed by leotis mratin(whoever the **** he is) who is no more than 6ft tall, pluss that he was koed by a not very hard hitting ali, i say he could not take rocks best shots

dude that is argueble the hardest shot in the history off the sport, walcot wasnt just ko0ed he looked like rock had shot.

That punch was VERY hard! It had more effect because Walcott was up against the ropes with no route of escape. Marciano could easily offload all of his strength there. That punch would only be half as effective if both fighters were moving around in the center of the ring.

I doubt that Marciano could beat Liston onto the ropes and then land that punch to ko Liston with his guard down.

i dont, i think liston is underrated by the common fan, i myself rank him at 6th, however based on the fact that he was koed by leotis mratin(whoever the **** he is) who is no more than 6ft tall, pluss that he was koed by a not very hard hitting ali, i say he could not take rocks best shots

liston was close to 40 against martin, and he took a dive against ali, that was no real ko punch.

liston could take a punch. he took cleveland williams best, eddie machen's best, folley's best and ali's best. that rocky punch couldn't keep liston down for ten seconds or more, that's for sure.

cleveland williams best

Williams put up a great fight in the first round. In the second, Williams eyes started to burn (What a surprise) Williams was then KO'd in the 3rd.

Williams put up a great fight in the first round. In the second, Williams eyes started to burn (What a surprise) Williams was then KO'd in the 3rd.

wasn't liston's fault. his corner did that.

liston was close to 40 against martin, and he took a dive against ali, that was no real ko punch.

liston could take a punch. he took cleveland williams best, eddie machen's best, folley's best and ali's best. that rocky punch couldn't keep liston down for ten seconds or more, that's for sure.


uuuuum the chin is one off those things that stays with you a long time and shouldndt have declined much at age 38.

that liston took a dive is an opinion not a fact.

and its actually sure that he would be koed by that punch

The punch that nearly killed Walcott would destroy Frazier and likely KO Foreman and Liston (or at least put them to the point where Marciano would finish them a few seconds later). That was a harder punch than the left hook Frazier floored Ali with. Absolutely hellacious punch. You need to get your eyes checked.

The punch that nearly killed Walcott would destroy Frazier and likely KO Foreman and Liston (or at least put them to the point where Marciano would finish them a few seconds later). That was a harder punch than the left hook Frazier floored Ali with. Absolutely hellacious punch. You need to get your eyes checked.


We're talking about 1 punch in the whole of Marciano's career. Heavier blows have been landed by the likes of Dempsey, Foreman, Frazier and possibly Liston. It was a surprise shock right hand that landed on a vulnerable spot on the head of an exhausted, worn down, cornered light heavyweight. It wouldn't have the same effect on other heavyweights, although it was still an unbelievably hard punch, the circumstances in which it was landed is very hard to repeat.

We're talking about 1 punch in the whole of Marciano's career. Heavier blows have been landed by the likes of Dempsey, Foreman, Frazier and possibly Liston. It was a surprise shock right hand that landed on a vulnerable spot on the head of an exhausted, worn down, cornered light heavyweight. It wouldn't have the same effect on other heavyweights, although it was still an unbelievably hard punch, the circumstances in which it was landed is very hard to repeat.

plus walcott was ko'd counless other times by nobody's anyways.

yea but when Rocky fought him the first time that was Walcott's absolute prime and all the experts say that was the fight of walcott's life

there's no way you can tell me that Ali,Foreman,Frazier, and especially Liston wouldn't get ktfo by punch this hard, and even if it only broke there jaw there's no way they would win a fight after taking that hard of a hit

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yea but when Rocky fought him the first time that was Walcott's absolute prime and all the experts say that was the fight of walcott's life

there's no way you can tell me that Ali,Foreman,Frazier, and especially Liston wouldn't get ktfo by punch this hard, and even if it only broke there jaw there's no way they would win a fight after taking that hard of a hit

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watcott only looked that good cause marciano made him look good. he was better against louis IMO.

thats what i thought but its not true because if you knew anything about jersey joe walcott his fights got better all the way up to the Marciano fight after that fight he started going downhill, that was his absolute prime

We're talking about 1 punch in the whole of Marciano's career. Heavier blows have been landed by the likes of Dempsey, Foreman, Frazier and possibly Liston. It was a surprise shock right hand that landed on a vulnerable spot on the head of an exhausted, worn down, cornered light heavyweight. It wouldn't have the same effect on other heavyweights, although it was still an unbelievably hard punch, the circumstances in which it was landed is very hard to repeat.

a lightheavy who was lean at 195lbs :rolleyes:

its funny how moore,charles and walcot are considered light heavys and middleweights when they weighed that at age 16 in their pro career, your not blown upp for weiging more in your 30s than when your 16.

damn by that logic ali is a blown upp lightheavy since he won the olympics at light heavy.

watcott only looked that good cause marciano made him look good. he was better against louis IMO.

dude thats a hopeless arguement in which you can use against any fighter

dude thats a hopeless arguement in which you can use against any fighter

seriously and i really don't care what anybody says because if Marciano landed that punch on somebody who had the best chin in history that punch (if it didn't ko the person) would tilt the fight in marciano's favor and marciano would put on the pressure and he would win :boxing:

seriously and i really don't care what anybody says because if Marciano landed that punch on somebody who had the best chin in history that punch (if it didn't ko the person) would tilt the fight in marciano's favor and marciano would put on the pressure and he would win :boxing:

marciano wouldn't have that ability to land that punch on liston, cause he would keep him at bay with his jab.

marciano would have that ability to land that punch on liston, cause he would keep him at bay with his jab.


OK THAN ITS SETTLED

OK THAN ITS SETTLED

no, it was a typo. i meant marciano wouldn't have the ability.

no, it was a typo. i meant marciano wouldn't have the ability.

said is said

lol

said is said

lol

whatever, man.

marciano wouldn't have that ability to land that punch on liston, cause he would keep him at bay with his jab.
trust me he would do the same thing he did to walcott

wear him down then give him hard punches at the end of the fight for a lay round ko

marciano had alot of things on his side, things like,strength,smarts,heart,stamina,and he never punched himself out
but the one thing that would make marciano ko liston is his relentlessness he would keep the pressure on and wear liston down then boom ko'd :boxing:

trust me he would do the same thing he did to walcott

wear him down then give him hard punches at the end of the fight for a lay round ko

marciano had alot of things on his side, things like,strength,smarts,heart,stamina,and he never punched himself out
but the one thing that would make marciano ko liston is his relentlessness he would keep the pressure on and wear liston down then boom ko'd :boxing:

again liston is not watcott. liston is not a 190lb. old geezer. liston has an 84" reach, marciano won't be able to get through that.

he did it with carmine vingo

here's the link i've been looking for
the one that explains why not to downplay Marciano's competition which you've been doing

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=4488&more=1

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I think you should stop relying on websites to explain everything Marciano did and who he fought. Look at their stats and records man and then compare those to the quality of 70's heavyweights. Joes Louis is the only decent heavy on that list, and he was old and in dreadful shape when he fought Marciano.

Marciano was the best out of a bad bunch. (Much like Lennox Lewis)

Did you even read it?

Did you even read it?

Course I did. Even though there were some long words in it.....

he did it with carmine vingo

here's the link i've been looking for
the one that explains why not to downplay Marciano's competition which you've been doing

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=4488&more=1

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nice article, but no way charles or watcott could give ali any trouble.

in ther prime they would have, i mean the articles not saying it would go to decision, its saying those guys would have been fighters that would take ali at least over 7 rounds to ko

If you think Ali has no problem with a prime Ezzard Charles, one of the best P4P fighters of all time, and one of the most complete fighters of all time, you just don't know Ezzard Charles.

If you think Ali has no problem with a prime Ezzard Charles, one of the best P4P fighters of all time, and one of the most complete fighters of all time, you just don't know Ezzard Charles.

he wouldn't have as much problems to jeopardize the outcome of the fight, though.

don't you think your downplaying them even alittle?

don't you think your downplaying them even alittle?

not really, ali would still beat them by a fairly comfortable margin.

eh, its hard to compare fighters as it is but when there from two different time periods it makes it really hard so its opinions but they were good fighters either way-
Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott

eh, its hard to compare fighters as it is but when there from two different time periods it makes it really hard so its opinions but they were good fighters either way-
Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott

yeah, they were good, but not on the calibur of muhammad ali.

but to you very few are but got to stick with who you like i suppose

but to you very few are but got to stick with who you like i suppose

but they certainly aren't.

but they certainly aren't.

did enyone here say that charles and wacot were as good as ali?

did enyone here say that charles and wacot were as good as ali?

I think someone said it but never typed it! ;)

I think someone said it but never typed it! ;)
well if your referring to me i really didn't think that, i try not to make it sound like i hug my favorite fighters nuts because i'm quite aware of the skill that is Muhammad Ali and i know that it takes a really good fighter to beat him, (for example Joe Frazier)

so its not like i thought they were better then them i just thought they would give him a pretty good fight
or at the very least an interesting one
:D

well if your referring to me i really didn't think that, i try not to make it sound like i hug my favorite fighters nuts because i'm quite aware of the skill that is Muhammad Ali and i know that it takes a really good fighter to beat him, (for example Joe Frazier)

so its not like i thought they were better then them i just thought they would give him a pretty good fight
or at the very least an interesting one
:D

they wouldn't be extremely easy, but they wouldn't be very hard either.

they wouldn't be extremely easy, but they wouldn't be very hard either.


well

i see ali winning by points ore late ko.

very hard to tell though.

but easy fight naaaaah