» Pound For Pound Rankings
By Sammy Rozenberg

1. Floyd Mayweather - Former junior lightweight champion, former lightweight champion, current junior welterweight belt holder. Floyd Mayweather is one of the most naturally gifted fighters in the game. This past June, his cat-like reflexes, underestimated punching power and slick movement, helped him dominate the stronger Arturo Gatti on route to a six-round stoppage. Recently destroyed Sharmba Mitchell, looks towards clash with unified welterweight champion Zab Judah next.
Biggest wins: Diego Corrales TKO 8, Genaro Hernandez TKO 8, Arturo Gatti TKO 6

2. Winky Wright - Former undisputed junior middleweight champion. After besting Shane Mosley twice and dominating Felix Trinidad, Wright is looking to take his superstar status to next level by fighting only at the highest level. Decisioned Sam Soliman in his last outing. Looking to land a fight against middleweight champion Jermain Taylor.

Biggest wins: Shane Mosley 1 Win 12, Shane Molsey 2 Win 12, Felix Trinidad Win 12

3. Rafael Marquez - Current bantamweight champion. After cleaning out the competition by stopping both Mark Johnson and Tim Austin, Marquez has not been involved in a big fight since February of 2003. A recent win over undefeated Silence Mabuza showcased the enormous talent of Marquez. No longer in his brother's shadow and gaining recognition as the real star of the family.

Biggest wins: Mark Johnson TKO 8, Tim Austin TKO 8

4. Manny Pacquiao - Former two-time champion. Pacquiao put his name on the map with a dominating knockout of Marco Antonio Barrera. He tried to follow up his win over Barrera by facing every big name within his division. A disputed draw with Juan Manuel Marquez and a close decision loss to Erik Morales only made him more popular. The destruction of Erik Morales in their rematch has made in a superstar in America, and a bigger force on the pound for pound scale.

Biggest wins: Marco Antonio Barrera TKO 11, Lehlohonolo Ledwaba KO 6, Erik Morales II TKO 10

5. Marco Antonio Barrera - Triple division champion, picking up titles at 122, 126 and 130 pounds. Barerra recently dominated Robbie Peden in a one-sided fight to unify the IBF and WBC 130-pound titles. Barrera said that he is looking to fight six more times and retire, and he wants all of them to be big-money fights with big-name opponents. A rumored fight with lightweight champion Jesus Chavez could be the next move for Barrera.

Biggest wins: Erik Morales III MD, Kennedy McKinney TKO 12, Naseem Hamed Win 12

6. Ricky Hatton - Current WBC and WBA junior welterweight champion. Dominated junior welterweight legend Kostya Tszyu on route to an eleven round stoppage. Recently unified two-thirds of the junior welterweight title when he knocked out the always dangerous Carlos Maussa. Undefeated after 40 professional bouts, Hatton is looking to leave England in order to make a big splash in America.

Biggest wins: Kostya Tszyu TKO 11, Carlos Maussa KO 9, Ben Tackie UD

7. Jose Luis Castillo - Former WBC lightweight champion. After being stopped in a fight of the year thriller against Diego Corrales, Castillo gained a measure of revenge by knocking Corrales out in the rematch. Due to Castillo's inability to make weight for the Corrales rematch, he was unable to become a 3 time lightweight champion. A rubbermatch with Corrales is on tap to settle the debate over who the best fighter is at 135 pounds.

Biggest wins: Diego Corrales KO 4, Stevie Johnston MD 12, Joel Casamayor SD 12

8. Jermain Taylor - The young Olympian from Arkansas is finally coming into his own. Current WBO/WBA/WBC middleweight champion. Taylor became an overnight star after dethroning Bernard Hopkins - who was undefeated for 12 years, and held the middleweight championship for 10 years. Plans appear to be for an easy fight in Arkansas, and then Winky Wright in the Fall of 2006.

Biggest wins: Bernard Hopkins SD 12, Bernard Hopkins UD, William Joppy UD

9. Diego Corrales - Former junior lightweight champion and current WBO and WBC lightweight champion. Corrales has beaten the best of his division in three out of his last four fights by gaining a points win over Joel Casamayor and stopping Acelino Freitas and Jose Luis Castillo. The fight with Castillo made Corrales a superstar due to the brutality and drama of the bout. After being knocked out in his rematch with Castillo, Corrales is looking towards a rubbermatch to settle the score.

Biggest wins: Roberto Garcia TKO 7, Acelino Freitas TKO 10, Jose Luis Castillo TKO 10

10. Jeff Lacy - Current IBF super middleweight champion. The undefeated Lacy has been mauling through his competition by using brute strength and effective aggression. In 21 fights, Lacy has beaten a variety of current and former champions. The road has been set for a March showdown in England, against undefeated WBO super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe. A win against Calzaghe would make Lacy solidify Lacy's status as one of the best in the world.

Biggest wins: Syd Vanderpool TKO 8, Omar Sheika UD 12, Robin Reid TKO 8



do you agree with this? i have pac at 3 higher than rafa, i dont think rafa deserves to be that high on the ranking

this is bs.com's p4p btw

I think it's pretty good, nice to see Rafael Marquez holding down the #3 spot.

Hatton lower, Corrales Lower, Taylor 10.

I think it's pretty good, nice to see Rafael Marquez holding down the #3 spot.


rafa over pac? c'mon u must admit that in terms of opponents and overall achievements pac outweighs rafa's

rafa over pac? c'mon u must admit that in terms of opponents and overall achievements pac outweighs rafa's

Marquez hasn't lost in over 5 years all by rather impressive wins as well as having a great KO rato. Pac and him both have earned their spots near the top of the list.

rafa over pac? c'mon u must admit that in terms of opponents and overall achievements pac outweighs rafa's

I'd have no problems with Pac being above Rafael. But Pac is 2-1-1 in his last 4 fights, so I guess that nod goes to Little Marquez.

u guys ahve a point but shouldnt the qual;ity of opponents be something to be noted, he tkod barera and morales and had a very controversial draw

I'd have no problems with Pac being above Rafael. But Pac is 2-1-1 in his last 4 fights, so I guess that nod goes to Little Marquez.

pac is 3-1-0 in his 4 last fights.

pac is 3-1-0 in his 4 last fights.

Marquez-draw
Morales-loss
Velasquez-Win
Morales-Win

2-1-1

do you honestly believe that he lost to marquez? when the judge admitted they amde a mistake scoring the fight?

do you honestly believe that he lost to marquez? when the judge admitted they amde a mistake scoring the fight?

No he did not lose to Marquez. The fight was scored a draw. I didn't score the fight nor do I have the power to overturn the decision. It's official the Marquez fight was a draw.

it was a fluke, one judge scored it 10-7 :p
marquez got lucky

I think it's pretty good, nice to see Rafael Marquez holding down the #3 spot.
he doesnt belong there.

it was a fluke, one judge scored it 10-7 :p
marquez got lucky

It wasn't a fluke. It's official. Manny could have had a point taken away for hitting Marquez while down but he didn't. The referee is not REQUIRED to score it 10-6. They admitted to such on HBO.

Either way, the fight was a draw...OFFICIALLY.

It wasn't a fluke. It's official. Manny could have had a point taken away for hitting Marquez while down but he didn't. The referee is not REQUIRED to score it 10-6. They admitted to such on HBO.

Either way, the fight was a draw...OFFICIALLY.
who said the referee can score the fight? LOL

who said the referee can score the fight? LOL

My bad, a judge is not required.....

p4p was created not for technicality but to rank boxers universally barring ur technicalities, fucc being official he won that ****, and you know it

p4p was created not for technicality but to rank boxers universally barring ur technicalities, fucc being official he won that ****, and you know it

It's not MY technicalities, I have no say in it.
It's officially a draw. That's what we have to go by.

I have the utmost respect for Marquez, but he's too hight on this list.

His wins over Austin and Johnson earn him a spot, but he hasn't beaten anyone of note in years, when he could have moved up and fought Larios, Vasquez etc.

marquez settled for $34,000 to fight chris john when he could have fought pac by higher paycheck :p

marquez settled for $34,000 to fight chris john when he could have fought pac by higher paycheck :p

The p4p in question that you guys had a problem with was Rafael. Not Juan Manuel. Let's get back to him.

The p4p in question that you guys had a problem with was Rafael. Not Juan Manuel. Let's get back to him.


I was confused as to why you guys were talking about Juan Manuel, he's not on that list. :confused:

I was confused as to why you guys were talking about Juan Manuel, he's not on that list. :confused:
i misread that goddamn list LOL!

kahit na pare, tngna pa rin ni jmm!LOL!

kahit si rafa pa yun he dont deserve that spot, pac has beaten legends, rafa has beaten austin

kahit si rafa pa yun he dont deserve that spot, pac has beaten legends, rafa has beaten austin

But he hasn't lost in 5 years.

kahit na pare, tngna pa rin ni jmm!LOL!
tol maglagay ka kaya ng avatar para masaya :)

But he hasn't lost in 5 years.
against sparring partners?

against sparring partners?

he's ko'd 7 of his last 10 opponents. Thats a start.
And who were the sparring partners? Be specfic.

this is bs.com's p4p btw

Yeah that list is ok except for a couple of things:

1.) Taylor should not be included.

2.) Hatton should by no means rank higher than Castillo.

I think everyone else is a legitimate P4P top ten....hell in fact....I would rank Lacy higher than 10 ATM and granted he beats Calzaghe in impressive fashion: Top 5 material.

Yeah and I really dont understand something. How is Toney not considered "P4P" material? Simply because he is a heavyweight? I don't buy that. He is not a natural heavyweight and moving up to that class from super-middle should be some sort of "P4P" achievement....especially with the success he has had. I'm not his biggest fan to say the least, but give credit where it's due.

rafa over pac? c'mon u must admit that in terms of opponents and overall achievements pac outweighs rafa's

I don't necessarily agree with that. I would say they would rival eachother significantly. Marquez holds wins over two potential HOF fighters in Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson and Tim Austin, and as mentioned....has not lost in five years. Pac also holds wins over two potential HOF fighters in Morales and Barrera.

whose better morales and barera or johnson and austin?

whose better morales and barera or johnson and austin?

Regardless, he has two draws and a loss in his last 11 fights.
Marquez has been perfect in last 15, ko'ing 11.

It's alot closer than you think.

whose better morales and barera or johnson and austin?

Obviously Barrera and Morales.

However Pac lost to Morales. So he's 2-1 against those two.

Marquez is 3-0 against the other two most impressive.

yeah you have a point, why dont rafa step up one div and pac go down and they meet, wouldnt that be great

yeah you have a point, why dont rafa step up one div and pac go down and they meet, wouldnt that be great

Marquez hasn't had a problem making weight, or a need to move up... which are the 2 main reasons people change weights. Until one of those 2 occur I see no reason for him to alter his course of actions.

yeah you have a point, why dont rafa step up one div and pac go down and they meet, wouldnt that be great

Rafael would have to jump 2 divisions to make featherweight if that's what your implying.

yeah something like that, thank you for pointing that out

I don't necessarily agree with that. I would say they would rival eachother significantly. Marquez holds wins over two potential HOF fighters in Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson and Tim Austin, and as mentioned....has not lost in five years. Pac also holds wins over two potential HOF fighters in Morales and Barrera.


Consider this though:

Marquez's last big win was the stoppage of Tim Austin in 2003 at 118 (where he's fought his entire career).

In 2003, Manny moved up to featherweight from Super Bantam. Since that time he's stopped two Hall of Fame fighters who were more currently top pound for pound fighters themselves at 126 and 130.

Manny's beaten the better fighters more reccently and moved up in weight to do so.

Rafael Marquez deserves props for making defenses, but nothing's stopping him from moving up to 122 to make big fights with top fighters there. Instead he's defended against a list of average mandatories.

Manny deserves to be higher than Rafael until he does something significant again.

In 2003, Manny moved up to featherweight from Super Bantam. Since that time he's stopped two Hall of Fame fighters who were more currently top pound for pound fighters themselves at 126 and 130.


This is obviously true.

Consider this though. Marquez is Undefeated in the past 5 years. On the other hand Manny has 2 draws with J.M.M. and Sanchez.....not to mention his loss to Morales.

This is obviously true.

Consider this though. Marquez is Undefeated in the past 5 years. On the other hand Manny has 2 draws with J.M.M. and Sanchez.....not to mention his loss to Morales.


If Manny had stayed at 122 and fought Mandatories I think he'd be undefeated in that time as well.

The loss to Morales was by a round, and I don't think it should be held agaisnt him when he was moving up in weight and fighting stiffer opponents. The draw agaisnt Sanchez really should have been a DQ win, and there's no shame in a draw with JMM. That draw with Manny is the only reason JMM gets close to the top ten. It doesn't make sense that it's a plus for him but a knock against Manny. If anything, it adds to his case.

Marquez hasn't really been challenged since 2003, which was 3 years ago.

The stoppage wins over Barrera and Morales really put it out of reach imo.

but he came back from that loss and won convincingly and he has only 1 draw, and he was cheated on that fight

I think it's pretty good, nice to see Rafael Marquez holding down the #3 spot.
when you look at his biggest wins, it proves he should not be at 3. pacs resume blows his away

If Manny had stayed at 122 and fought Mandatories I think he'd be undefeated in that time as well.

The loss to Morales was by a round, and I don't think it should be held agaisnt him when he was moving up in weight and fighting stiffer opponents.

Marquez hasn't really been challenged since 2003, which was 3 years ago.

The stoppage wins over Barrera and Morales really put it out of reach imo.

In my opinion....Pacquiao's loss to Morales is not as unfavorable as the draws with Sanchez and Marquez. I never played the "who"s ducking who" game, but it was obvious both parties (J.M.M. and pacquiao) were guilty of not making the second fight happen. You could say J.M.M. chose to fight mandatories, while on the other hand....Pacquiao moved up in weight to fight the money fights.

I see those draws as red flags and the bottom line is this:

"If" Pacquiao would have rematched J.M.M....and won the featherweight belts, then made his fights with Morales and Barrera.....then no brainer.

Question:

"If" Marquez fights an Israel Vasquez or Oscar Larios and wins....where would you rank him at that point?

too many ifs, how bout the facts lets stay withe facts

too many ifs, how bout the facts lets stay withe facts

LOL!

fact is Manny Pacquiao > Barrera and Morales combined!

too many ifs, how bout the facts lets stay withe facts

It's funny you say that, because sticking with the facts...

Marquez hasn't lost or drew in his past 14-15 fights.

Pac on the other hand has. A draw wouldn't drop him too far but 1 loss and 2 draws don't shoot him up that high.

Question:

"If" Marquez fights an Israel Vasquez or Oscar Larios and wins....where would you rank him at that point?


If he moved up in weight and beat one or two of those fighters and gained titles at 122, I'd have him in my top 5, and would entertain arguments that he should be ranked higher than Manny. At this point, it's just been too long since he's done something significant. I'd have him between 5-10 right now. Still a helluva a fighter, and I don't want to give the impression I don't like or respect him. I think he's the hardest punching fighter pound for pound.



"I see those draws as red flags"

The first draw only ended the way it did because Sanchez was there to foul, and not fight. It was ugly, and his intention should have seen him DQ'd.

If you see those draws as a knock, where do you rate Juan Manuel? Without the draw against Pacquiao, he loses some serious clout.

I see nothing wrong with that fight. It was a plus for both guys imo.

It's funny you say that, because sticking with the facts...

Marquez hasn't lost or drew in his past 14-15 fights.

Pac on the other hand has. A draw wouldn't drop him too far but 1 loss and 2 draws don't shoot him up that high.


That's really selective thinking.

Reverse their roles.

Of course Rafael is undefeated in those 3 years, he hasn't been fighting anyone and is at the same weight he's been his entire career.

Manny's wins in the last 3 years include stoppages of guys that were firmly ranked in the top of pound for pound lists in five straight years.

The first draw only ended the way it did because Sanchez was there to foul, and not fight.

Of course true. I think Manny should have set wrongs from right and fought and knocked him out in legitimate form.


If you see those draws as a knock, where do you rate Juan Manuel?

J.M.M. should by no means be ranked higher than Pacquiao...and that draw is not so much a knock....but more a red flag or questionmark.

People's viewpoints simply differ.


I see nothing wrong with that fight. It was a plus for both guys imo.


Pac on the other hand has. A draw wouldn't drop him too far but 1 loss and 2 draws don't shoot him up that high.

That's really selective thinking.

Reverse their roles.

Of course Rafael is undefeated in those 3 years, he hasn't been fighting anyone and is at the same weight he's been his entire career.

Manny's wins in the last 3 years include stoppages of guys that were firmly ranked in the top of pound for pound lists in five straight years.

I agree.

Marquez have stayed in that division fo a looong ass time. If Pac stayed at 122lbs, Pac woulda owned Larios, Vasquez Macoulough all of them. Pac was a beast at 122lbs. And let's not forget, Manny Pacquiao was UNDEFEATED at 122lbs-126lbs!!!!!!!!!! That's crazy. Manny only lost to Morales by a slim margin in a weight class 130lbs many believe he shouldn't even be in.

Pac should be higher than Rafael Marquez SIMPLE AS THAT!!! The fact than Marquez is above Manny in this P4P list of Boxingscene PROVES THAT THEY ARE PISSED LIKE WOUNDED LIL GURLS becuz they picked Morales to put a shut out on Manny. THat's FACT. Put down the curtains *****es!!!! Manny_P has spoken!!!!

J.M.M. should by no means be ranked higher than Pacquiao...and that draw is not so much a knock....but more a red flag or questionmark.



I wasn't implying you thought he should be higher than Manny, its just that if that draw is a question mark, how close do you seem him to the top ten pound for pound?

Because if his only noteworthy big fight is a red flag, he shouldn't come close, and a lot of people rate him 10-15 based on that draw.

I know I'll cause controversy In stating this:

I watched Pac v.s. Marquez for the sixth time yesterday, and the case could be made that J.M.M. did enough to win the fight.

Some would argue to this day Pac lost.

its just that if that draw is a question mark, how close do you seem him to the top ten pound for pound?


I really dont know. I think I would rank him somewhere around 11 perhaps cracking the 10 spot.

I'd have to really think about constructing a "P4P" list...and usually dont adhere to them. I just think this is an interesting topic.

I'm not saying that having R Marquez above Pac is crazy, pound for pound lists are very subjective.

I just don't see it myslef, and think it's a very minority opinion.

I know I'll cause controversy In stating this:

I watched Pac v.s. Marquez for the sixth time yesterday, and the case could be made that J.M.M. did enough to win the fight.

Some would argue to this day Pac lost.


I watched it again last week as well and still had Manny winning.

He won the 1st 10-6, and clearly won the 2nd. If you give him 3 rounds from 3-12, he wins the fight.

If anything, JMM is lucky he escaped that fight with a draw, because a simple error in scoring that 1st round on the one judges' card (he later admitted he made a mistake and would have scored it 10-6 in retrospect) is all that seperated that from being a loss for JMM.

I really dont know. I think I would rank him somewhere around 11 perhaps cracking the 10 spot.



How does that work though Run?

You agree that his only significant win is a red flag and a question mark but you have him at 11?

I just don't get how your logic is working here. :confused:

I watched it again last week as well and still had Manny winning.

He won the 1st 10-6, and clearly won the 2nd. If you give him 3 rounds from 3-12, he wins the fight.

If anything, JMM is lucky he escaped that fight with a draw, because a simple error in scoring that 1st round on the one judges' card (he later admitted he made a mistake and would have scored it 10-6 in retrospect) is all that seperated that from being a loss for JMM.

The first couple of rounds were ugly and the three knockdows were definitely impressive in Manny's favor.

10-7 though....and I had J.M.M. winning enough middle rounds. My card ended up 115-114 in favor of Marquez with rounds even.

That fight was really tough to judge.

How does that work though Run?

You agree that his only significant win is a red flag and a question mark but you have him at 11?

I just don't get how your logic is working here. :confused:

He has other significant wins in my opinion.

I thought him beating Gainer was decent....Manuel Medina, Robbie Peden, and lets keep in mind he is recognized as the featherweight champion universally. Victor Polo was obviously no slouch either.

The first couple of rounds were ugly and the three knockdows were definitely impressive in Manny's favor.

10-7 though....and I had J.M.M. winning enough middle rounds. My card ended up 115-114 in favor of Marquez with rounds even.

That fight was really tough to judge.

I agree, but that 1st round was 10-6. That judge took heat from everyone around the boxing world for having it 10-7, and he admitted he was wrong and was quite embarassed.

I think too many people were caught up in the awe of JMM coming back from those knock downs.

To be winning that fight, one needs to score 8 out of 10 rounds for him inbetween rounds 3 and 12. I just don't think he swept that many.

HBO had it even wider than I remember:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/dantzu/LedermancardPacquiaoMarquez.jpg

He has other significant wins in my opinion.

I thought him beating Gainer was decent....Manuel Medina, Robbie Peden, and lets keep in mind he is recognized as the featherweight champion universally. Victor Polo was obviously no slouch either.


I wouldn't say those aren't significant, but pound for pound wise?

Gainer was completly washed up. The Medina and Peden wins were decent, but that was 3 and 4 years ago.

Most people that rate him near the top ten are basing it largely on the draw with Manny.

I just don't see how in most people's eyes the draw was a plus for Marquez but a knock for Manny.

I just don't see how in most people's eyes the draw was a plus for Marquez but a knock for Manny.

Yeah I thought it was a red flag for both fighters. It simply left question marks that have not been answered.

Pound for Pound lists are very questionable. Simply because it's tough to assess a fighter's capability based solely on the level of opposition they have faced.

Lacy has never beat a big name either. I also would be hard pressed to find too many people that argue with his standing in the rankings.

These items deal with aesthetic approval of fighters on a more personal level. Reflections of this can be seen in the sheer bias most of these lists exhibit.

Yeah I thought it was a red flag for both fighters. It simply left question marks that have not been answered.

Pound for Pound lists are very questionable. Simply because it's tough to assess a fighter's capability based solely on the level of opposition they have faced.

Lacy has never beat a big name either. I also would be hard pressed to find too many people that argue with his standing in the rankings.

These items deal with aesthetic approval of fighters on a more personal level. Reflections of this can be seen in the sheer bias most of these lists exhibit.


I agree with that. I always find it odd when guys are flaming eachother about pound for pound lists with how subjective they are. They're nothing like divisional rankings where there's criteria. Pound for pound lists are really opinion based.

Anyway, I respect your opinion Run. You know your stuff.

Anyway, I respect your opinion Run. You know your stuff.

Vice Versammmmmmmmm

Yeah that's more like it. This is more realistic and respectable .

Except for #3 and #4.

3. Biggest wins: Mark Johnson TKO 8, Tim Austin TKO 8

4. Biggest wins: Marco Antonio Barrera TKO 11, Lehlohonolo Ledwaba KO 6, Erik Morales II TKO 10

When did these fights happen? Since this is the latest rankings then latest events should be given more prefference. :)

I'd have no problems with Pac being above Rafael. But Pac is 2-1-1 in his last 4 fights, so I guess that nod goes to Little Marquez.
RAfa shouldn't be in the top 5. Being undefeated means nothing.

Destroying elites mean everything. ANd PAC has done just that.

Rafa has done nothing but have wins which is basically of no consideration.

roy jone had p4p on lock but he ducked quality opponents for a long time

I think Baldomir should replace Taylor.:rofl:

I think Baldomir should replace Taylor.:rofl:
I think ZAB should replace Baldomir.. :)

I think Baldomir should replace Taylor.:rofl:

LOL! so u think judah was better than hopkins?