I know the Standing 8 rule wasn't in effect, but there has to be some way to call a knockdown when a guy gets shot across the ring as a cannonball and goes long periods of time without throwing a punch.

When Verno Phillips is all but sitting on the middle rope while being pummeled with shots, can't you call a knockdown.

Phillips took WAY too much punishment in the last 2 rounds. Twice he went down, and technically they were slips, but they were slips because the guy had NO LEGS.

I wouldn't want to be fighting with Cortez in the ring ; he's letting fighters beat fighters through the ropes.

I believe you are right, Cortez is really a irresponsible ref.... but it's not because of the incidents you quoted, those are debatable . . . argueable . . . the fact that until now he hasn't explained a **** on why he didn't deduct any point from Marquez after so many low blow warnings in that Pacquiao/Marquez fight I have reason to agree with you (or could we say bias?)

The rule is very clear on that and very simple for eveybody to understand . . . subsequent low blow after being given two earlier warnings should automatically result into a point deduction . . . I don't think that's argueable at all. Now watch that fight and count how many warnings Cortez gave Marquez :D.

Problem is the guy is still on the loose and nobody ever cares to investigate him on his questionable decissions and actions as a ref. I'll be DAMN.

That was Mills Lane that knocked Hopkins through the ropes

Joe Cortez is the one of the best.

And its funny how you failed to mention that he didnt warn manny when he hit JMM when he was already down. Manny could have been DQ'd for that.

Joe Cortez is the one of the best.

And its funny how you failed to mention that he didnt warn manny when he hit JMM when he was already down. Manny could have been DQ'd for that.

Thanks Nick. I was gonna "get 'em" but you did just fine. Cortez is a good ref. If the corner thought Phillips had taken enough, then they should have thrown in the towel.

Thanks Nick. I was gonna "get 'em" but you did just fine. Cortez is a good ref. If the corner thought Phillips had taken enough, then they should have thrown in the towel.


joe cortez is a hated man in many boxing circles.

he should'nt have stopped tha vargas-de la hoya fight
he should 've let oscar keep hittin him :D

That was Mills Lane that knocked Hopkins through the ropes

You're right. Cortez's deal with Hopkins was his Puerto Rican heritage and Bernard's Puerto Rico incident and Hopkins worried about fighting Allen with Cortez as referee. And it was in Allen I that the ropes incident happened.

I was exhausted last night rambling on a keyboard. Thanks for the info - I'll edit the post so I don't look retarded to the next guy...

he should'nt have stopped tha vargas-de la hoya fight
he should 've let oscar keep hittin him :D

thats what im sayin
lmao Vargas could have still won
he definatly should have let him keep goin
i would have loved to see Oscar beat Vargas's ass around the ring some more

Joe Cortez is the one of the best.

And its funny how you failed to mention that he didnt warn manny when he hit JMM when he was already down. Manny could have been DQ'd for that.

Joe Cortez an idiot.

Well he should have done something when JMM went down before Manny had a chance to hit him again. He just stood there in disbelief like an idiot. Marquez was holding on to the ropes trying to get up, so you bring him down :D . I don't think Manny saw his glove hit teh canvas.

Cortez is one of the 2 or 3 best in Boxing.

the thing with Hopkins was nothing but mind gamnes behing played by Hopkins

My main point was how he didn't protect Verno Phillips's safety last night while he couldn't defend himself.

No one else thought this?

My main point was how he didn't protect Verno Phillips's safety last night while he couldn't defend himself.

No one else thought this?

Well you also have to remeber Ouma is not a big power puncher. Its not like Ouma was just teeing off on him or anything. The doctor checked Phillips out between rounds 11 and 12 and felt he was fine so they let him finish.

I had no problem with it.

Joe Cortez is the one of the best.

And its funny how you failed to mention that he didnt warn manny when he hit JMM when he was already down. Manny could have been DQ'd for that.
Funny? No . . .no . . .no, the fact is . . . that was a very legal blow . . . none of Marquez’ globes were touching the canvas yet when the he was punched by Pacquiao. His right arm was clinging to the rope and his left hand was still hanging on the left side of the body trying to make a counter balance to prevent his back from touching the canvas. Are you not surprised that JMM’s corner didn’t made any fuzz about that incident? Beristain being a veteran handler should have known better and should made a protest if they really have a legal ground to do so, considering the stature of that fight wherein two titles were at stake. Watch it again friend, not necessarily the whole fight just the first round.

And maybe you are right I should have mentioned that too because that would show another of his blooper that night. He was no where near the action where he could have easily step in to prevent Pacquiao from throwing another punch. For the sake of argument if indeed that was an illegal blow . . . there is no way for Cortez could have warned Pacquiao because he didn’t see where JMM’s globes were at the time the punch was thrown. If that fight ended in Pacquiao being disqualified as you were saying, so be it. My point is why didn’t it happen? Because Cortez in not where he is supposed to be at that instant moment.

Cortez is one of the best? Well I have NO problem with that . . . considering the number of fights he has attended to . . . but that’s exactly the main reason why I find it very questionable and unbelievable for him to **** UP big time in a fight of such magnitude. And to think it’s not only him who committed as BLUNDER that night . . . there’s also this STUPID judge who openly admitted that he committed a scoring error because HE DOESN’T KNOW that he can score a round 10-6 if there were three K.D.s. Can you believe that? Just like that? :D Oh common . . .

Joe Cortez is the one of the best.

And its funny how you failed to mention that he didnt warn manny when he hit JMM when he was already down. Manny could have been DQ'd for that.

your stupid jmm was going down when manny hit him. he wasnt already down..

watch the video again dumbass!! even the annoucer said manny caught jmm going down...

jmm was stil up his arms was on the ropes when he hit him..

anyways that was the longest count ever even jmm thought it was over he put his head back down. then he notice cortez slow count so he got back up..

joe cortez is biased..

Cortez has a reputation for calling slow counts and biased officiating.

It's Richard Steele I don't like.

Steele is no better than COrtez, probably worse, Steele is notorious for those non-calls and clearly biased officiating.

I believe you are right, Cortez is really a irresponsible ref.... but it's not because of the incidents you quoted, those are debatable . . . argueable . . . the fact that until now he hasn't explained a **** on why he didn't deduct any point from Marquez after so many low blow warnings in that Pacquiao/Marquez fight I have reason to agree with you (or could we say bias?)

The rule is very clear on that and very simple for eveybody to understand . . . subsequent low blow after being given two earlier warnings should automatically result into a point deduction . . . I don't think that's argueable at all. Now watch that fight and count how many warnings Cortez gave Marquez :D.

Problem is the guy is still on the loose and nobody ever cares to investigate him on his questionable decissions and actions as a ref. I'll be DAMN.


Yeah and the way he didnt disqualify Manny for hitting Marquez when he was down. That Cortez!!!!! :D

Yeah and the way he didnt disqualify Manny for hitting Marquez when he was down. That Cortez!!!!! :D
Marquez was not down but merely on the wat down when he got hit. So it was a legitimate call.

No point deduction after more than 3 warnings is obvious sign of incompetence or a downright cheap cheat.

I think overall he is one of the best.I am not familiar with the Phillips fight being spoke of at the begining of the thread which one?

It's Richard Steele I don't like.

Same here. Steele has no business back in the ring, while Cortez is one of the very best there is.

sometime its not all about boxing.

It much more compilcated in some situation for the referee

Yeah and the way he didnt disqualify Manny for hitting Marquez when he was down. That Cortez!!!!! :D


Oh Yes he didn't buddy. :) Because he can't. One of JMM's arm is hanging over the ropes and the other still not touching the canvas when he was hit. And take note that JMM's back is not touching the canvas either because he is clinging to the ropes, how can you say he down? :D

And again for the sake of arguement, where is Cortez in the course of that action? He is too far buddy. :p