Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible

As much as everybody wants to see the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez rematch, we will rather see a good, if not better, classic match between Erik “El Terrible” Morales and Manny “The Destroyer” Pacquiao.
And as always, every classic battle between 2 of the most exciting fighters of the present time is preceded by much speculation and debate. So toi set things staright, let me sight some pro’s and con’s between these two great athletes.
I have divided this into categories so here goes:

POWER: These two are pretty much at par with regards to punching power. Manny is regarded to have the most devastating killer punch in boxing pound for pound, but on the contrary, he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right. His left is getting so much hype that people tend to underrate the power of his right, which also posseses some power as he displayed in the Barrera fight.
Erik on the other hand, has shown great and balanced punching power in both hands. He can knock opponents out with either hand and does so with tremendous precision and smooth style. Though he does not have that nasty killer blow that Pacquiao has, he greatly makes up for that with some brutal 1-2.

Advantage: DRAW

SPEED: This is quite obvious. With his fast-paced, come-what-may approach, Manny surely wins this category. His handspeed, footwork, bobbing and weaving all complement his attacking style and the early barrage of punches.
Erik is a slow-paced fighter, which may ezplain why he does not have such remarkable handspeed and footwork as Manny does. But it well fits his style of play.

Advantage: MANNY

SIZE AND REACH: Again, this is quite obvious. Erik is going to be the biggest opponent for Manny and may very well be a big factor in the fight. Erik is 2 inches taller than Manny, and has a whopping 4 inch advantage in reach. So this can greatly help the cause of the Mexican sensation.

Advantage: ERIK

ACCURACY: Due mainly to contrast of styles, Erik wins this category by a distance. With his think-now-attack-later approach, he will surely be more accurate in this fight. Manny is usually the aggressor in his fights and will still be in this one so it will probably spell a high number of total punches but very low landing rate.

Advantage: ERIK

STAMINA: This one is a close call. We know both fighters can go the distance. They have been in 10-12 round fights before and made it through. But I have to hand this out to Manny. With all that bobbing and weaving, he displays greater stamina than practically all of the fighters he faced.
Erik also has great stamina, but just like in his two loses to MAB, he tends to show fatigue after he is bombed with a barrage of punches. But this is still a close call.

Advantage: MANNY

EXPERIENCE: Erik’s 3 fights at 130 lbs to Manny’s none. Erik’s 149 championhip rounds to Manny’s 46.Whew! That’s a lot of difference! Experience is backing up Erik’s side without any question. He is more comfortable at the weight class and shown that by being the champion, before losing it to eventual champion, MAB. It will definitely be an advantage for him since he is well adsjusted to the weight class and will need less polishing compared to Pacquiao who is still fighting at 130 lbs for the first time.

Advantage: ERIK

HUNGER: I will have to give this to Erik once more. Coming off a loss, he will surely take it on Manny to regain his rightful place as one of the best, if not the best, featherweight in the world.

Advantage: ERIK

MINDSET: Erik is such an emotional fighter. He looks into battles as something personal and that is something he should win. That explains the hunger he has. But if he is not able to get over the MAB loss and rather take it on Manny, to prove something that he can beat the boxer that beat barrera, then it could a weakness. He displayed that well enough during the Barrera fight, he became too emotional and it became his downfall. Right now, Manny fights for flag and country, and not over some heated rivalry, so I will have to give this to him.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINER: Not that I am too much credit on reputation, but his success and experience speaks for itself. Freddie Roach is undoubtedly the best trainer in boxing industry today and Manny respects him like no other. Having the best trainer surely gives advantage to a fighter.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINING TIME: with both fighters starting early on, they should be in tip-top shape when they face each other.

Advantage: DRAW

Well there you have it guys, a split draw on paper. But certainly hope the real outcome won’t be this way. It should be ERIK or MANNY. No more no less. I just wish all the best of luck to both fighters and to all the fans.

Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible

As much as everybody wants to see the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez rematch, we will rather see a good, if not better, classic match between Erik “El Terrible” Morales and Manny “The Destroyer” Pacquiao.
And as always, every classic battle between 2 of the most exciting fighters of the present time is preceded by much speculation and debate. So toi set things staright, let me sight some pro’s and con’s between these two great athletes.
I have divided this into categories so here goes:

POWER: These two are pretty much at par with regards to punching power. Manny is regarded to have the most devastating killer punch in boxing pound for pound, but on the contrary, he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right. His left is getting so much hype that people tend to underrate the power of his right, which also posseses some power as he displayed in the Barrera fight.
Erik on the other hand, has shown great and balanced punching power in both hands. He can knock opponents out with either hand and does so with tremendous precision and smooth style. Though he does not have that nasty killer blow that Pacquiao has, he greatly makes up for that with some brutal 1-2.

Advantage: DRAW

SPEED: This is quite obvious. With his fast-paced, come-what-may approach, Manny surely wins this category. His handspeed, footwork, bobbing and weaving all complement his attacking style and the early barrage of punches.
Erik is a slow-paced fighter, which may ezplain why he does not have such remarkable handspeed and footwork as Manny does. But it well fits his style of play.

Advantage: MANNY

SIZE AND REACH: Again, this is quite obvious. Erik is going to be the biggest opponent for Manny and may very well be a big factor in the fight. Erik is 2 inches taller than Manny, and has a whopping 4 inch advantage in reach. So this can greatly help the cause of the Mexican sensation.

Advantage: ERIK

ACCURACY: Due mainly to contrast of styles, Erik wins this category by a distance. With his think-now-attack-later approach, he will surely be more accurate in this fight. Manny is usually the aggressor in his fights and will still be in this one so it will probably spell a high number of total punches but very low landing rate.

Advantage: ERIK

STAMINA: This one is a close call. We know both fighters can go the distance. They have been in 10-12 round fights before and made it through. But I have to hand this out to Manny. With all that bobbing and weaving, he displays greater stamina than practically all of the fighters he faced.
Erik also has great stamina, but just like in his two loses to MAB, he tends to show fatigue after he is bombed with a barrage of punches. But this is still a close call.

Advantage: MANNY

EXPERIENCE: Erik’s 3 fights at 130 lbs to Manny’s none. Erik’s 149 championhip rounds to Manny’s 46.Whew! That’s a lot of difference! Experience is backing up Erik’s side without any question. He is more comfortable at the weight class and shown that by being the champion, before losing it to eventual champion, MAB. It will definitely be an advantage for him since he is well adsjusted to the weight class and will need less polishing compared to Pacquiao who is still fighting at 130 lbs for the first time.

Advantage: ERIK

HUNGER: I will have to give this to Erik once more. Coming off a loss, he will surely take it on Manny to regain his rightful place as one of the best, if not the best, featherweight in the world.

Advantage: ERIK

MINDSET: Erik is such an emotional fighter. He looks into battles as something personal and that is something he should win. That explains the hunger he has. But if he is not able to get over the MAB loss and rather take it on Manny, to prove something that he can beat the boxer that beat barrera, then it could a weakness. He displayed that well enough during the Barrera fight, he became too emotional and it became his downfall. Right now, Manny fights for flag and country, and not over some heated rivalry, so I will have to give this to him.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINER: Not that I am too much credit on reputation, but his success and experience speaks for itself. Freddie Roach is undoubtedly the best trainer in boxing industry today and Manny respects him like no other. Having the best trainer surely gives advantage to a fighter.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINING TIME: with both fighters starting early on, they should be in tip-top shape when they face each other.

Advantage: DRAW

Well there you have it guys, a split draw on paper. But certainly hope the real outcome won’t be this way. It should be ERIK or MANNY. No more no less. I just wish all the best of luck to both fighters and to all the fans.



excellent,excellent thread...it's exactly what we all needed to sum up the story on these 2 fighters.

Yeah it's about time someone makes a Manny thread that makes sense. I was starting to get annoyed myself with all the pointless, let's just talk about Manny threads that really were pointless. This information is pretty accurate though I'd have to say some of it can go either way. Stamina is based on how well the fighter trains. Comparing the Manny vs MAB to the Manny vs Marquez was like two totally different ones. Manny looked really tired after the 11th. Hey wow, I just realized, vs Marquez was Manny's first full 12 round fight ever. That's amazing. Anyways, other than that, I think were in for one heck of a fight. The best thing when it comes down to it is that both fighters will have plenty of time to prepare and are going to be in the best shape they can be when they meet. Let's just remember what a best shaped Manny can do to you(vs MAB :) )

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i think manny's average round per fight is 4.8. most of his fights rarely went beyond round 6.

U know what i think
Pacquiao will start attackin rite away and that will shock erik like in tha barrera fight then he'll get frustrated cuz pacmans a southpaw, erik's gonna have a long night.

U know what i think
Pacquiao will start attackin rite away and that will shock erik like in tha barrera fight then he'll get frustrated cuz pacmans a southpaw, erik's gonna have a long night.

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U know what i think
Pacquiao will start attackin rite away and that will shock erik like in tha barrera fight then he'll get frustrated cuz pacmans a southpaw, erik's gonna have a long night.

Manny always starts out firing, with the exceptuion of the 3K battery fight where he test-fired his right on that poor thai boxer... well, anyway, morales-pacquiao is a fight of the year nominee, that's sure...

on paper both figthers have their advantages but sometimes advatages on paper becomes the total opposite come fight time ...

but i think only two advantages on paper will stick come fight night Manny's Speed and Erick's Size advantage ...

Air Keng's post makes a lot of sense indeed. Just to add...

Morales main trust is his reach and uses it from a distance where he is more dangerous. From my experience of watching Morales' fights, he throws more accurate punches from a distance where he could measure his opponent well. Morales also attacks effectively when you face him with your head down, he could dig you down in volume. On the other hand, when he fights close, the upper cut is his most lethal punch. But what is most admirable on Morales' offensive ability is when he sees an opening and hurt you, he would follow it up with fast combinations and no matter how you counter, he will stay on top of you to continue those volume of punches. Morales connecting punches from a distance and punches coming from the top because he is usually taller than his opponents were always easy for the judges to see, that is why he would usually get a decision. We could readily see such scenario on his victories against the smaller ones like Ayala, Chavez and Hernandez.

For Pacquiao to counter Morales' deadly arsenals, he need lots of head and feet movemen plus good defense, fast hands and staying close to Morales.Pac must make a relentless attack every round to throw off Morales from his rhytm. I usually see Morales having trouble fighting at a close distance especially when his opponent has quicker hands than him. He also has trouble dealing with relentless attacks but never to the body, only to the head. When Morales' engaged with In Jin Chi, the Korean would always force him to engage closer that allowed Chi to connect with clear shots to the head in most rounds, that is the reason why his fight with Chi was really competitve than expected. In his last fight with Barrera, Marco avoided a fight from a distance and would always engage Morales toe-to-toe, even though Morales would always be on top of Barrera up close, Barrera had the quicker hands, that is why Barrera won. One good thing that Pacquiao must do that he could follow from Barrera is that Barrera would first allow Morales to throw his deadly right, upon avoiding Morales' right, Barrera would immediately struck a left hitting Morales defenseless.

I believe with Pacquiao's speed, he could beat Morales better than what Barrera showed. The more danger here for Morales is that Pacquiao has powerful fists than Barrera and more relentless than Barrera. Pacquiao's ability in cutting the ring and speed would force Morales to fight close and toe-to-toe with Pacquiao. Besides, when Morales feels the painful blows of Pacquiao, his Mexican machismo instinct would come out and would really slambang with Pacquiao toe-to-toe, such match for sure would go Pacquiao's way.

I believe Morales has never seen such a fresh yet powerful and faster top opponent than Pacquiao. I never saw Zaragoza, but I saw Morales' fight with Ayala, Barrera, Hernandez, Chi, Espadas twice and Chavez and I could simply say no one comes close to Pac's power and speed. Barrera and Ayala might be more skillful than Pacquiao but Pac is getting more dangerous now with his improving skill that only complements his power and speed.

Pacquiao by late stoppage or decision.

Air Keng's post makes a lot of sense indeed. Just to add...

Morales main trust is his reach and uses it from a distance where he is more dangerous. From my experience of watching Morales' fights, he throws more accurate punches from a distance where he could measure his opponent well. Morales also attacks effectively when you face him with your head down, he could dig you down in volume. On the other hand, when he fights close, the upper cut is his most lethal punch. But what is most admirable on Morales' offensive ability is when he sees an opening and hurt you, he would follow it up with fast combinations and no matter how you counter, he will stay on top of you to continue those volume of punches. Morales connecting punches from a distance and punches coming from the top because he is usually taller than his opponents were always easy for the judges to see, that is why he would usually get a decision. We could readily see such scenario on his victories against the smaller ones like Ayala, Chavez and Hernandez.

For Pacquiao to counter Morales' deadly arsenals, he need lots of head and feet movemen plus good defense, fast hands and staying close to Morales.Pac must make a relentless attack every round to throw off Morales from his rhytm. I usually see Morales having trouble fighting at a close distance especially when his opponent has quicker hands than him. He also has trouble dealing with relentless attacks but never to the body, only to the head. When Morales' engaged with In Jin Chi, the Korean would always force him to engage closer that allowed Chi to connect with clear shots to the head in most rounds, that is the reason why his fight with Chi was really competitve than expected. In his last fight with Barrera, Marco avoided a fight from a distance and would always engage Morales toe-to-toe, even though Morales would always be on top of Barrera up close, Barrera had the quicker hands, that is why Barrera won. One good thing that Pacquiao must do that he could follow from Barrera is that Barrera would first allow Morales to throw his deadly right, upon avoiding Morales' right, Barrera would immediately struck a left hitting Morales defenseless.

I believe with Pacquiao's speed, he could beat Morales better than what Barrera showed. The more danger here for Morales is that Pacquiao has powerful fists than Barrera and more relentless than Barrera. Pacquiao's ability in cutting the ring and speed would force Morales to fight close and toe-to-toe with Pacquiao. Besides, when Morales feels the painful blows of Pacquiao, his Mexican machismo instinct would come out and would really slambang with Pacquiao toe-to-toe, such match for sure would go Pacquiao's way.

I believe Morales has never seen such a fresh yet powerful and faster top opponent than Pacquiao. I never saw Zaragoza, but I saw Morales' fight with Ayala, Barrera, Hernandez, Chi, Espadas twice and Chavez and I could simply say no one comes close to Pac's power and speed. Barrera and Ayala might be more skillful than Pacquiao but Pac is getting more dangerous now with his improving skill that only complements his power and speed.

Pacquiao by late stoppage or decision.


Welcome pareng Jawo!!

Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible

As much as everybody wants to see the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez rematch, we will rather see a good, if not better, classic match between Erik “El Terrible” Morales and Manny “The Destroyer” Pacquiao.
And as always, every classic battle between 2 of the most exciting fighters of the present time is preceded by much speculation and debate. So toi set things staright, let me sight some pro’s and con’s between these two great athletes.
I have divided this into categories so here goes:

POWER: These two are pretty much at par with regards to punching power. Manny is regarded to have the most devastating killer punch in boxing pound for pound, but on the contrary, he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right. His left is getting so much hype that people tend to underrate the power of his right, which also posseses some power as he displayed in the Barrera fight.
Erik on the other hand, has shown great and balanced punching power in both hands. He can knock opponents out with either hand and does so with tremendous precision and smooth style. Though he does not have that nasty killer blow that Pacquiao has, he greatly makes up for that with some brutal 1-2.

Advantage: DRAW

SPEED: This is quite obvious. With his fast-paced, come-what-may approach, Manny surely wins this category. His handspeed, footwork, bobbing and weaving all complement his attacking style and the early barrage of punches.
Erik is a slow-paced fighter, which may ezplain why he does not have such remarkable handspeed and footwork as Manny does. But it well fits his style of play.

Advantage: MANNY

SIZE AND REACH: Again, this is quite obvious. Erik is going to be the biggest opponent for Manny and may very well be a big factor in the fight. Erik is 2 inches taller than Manny, and has a whopping 4 inch advantage in reach. So this can greatly help the cause of the Mexican sensation.

Advantage: ERIK

ACCURACY: Due mainly to contrast of styles, Erik wins this category by a distance. With his think-now-attack-later approach, he will surely be more accurate in this fight. Manny is usually the aggressor in his fights and will still be in this one so it will probably spell a high number of total punches but very low landing rate.

Advantage: ERIK

STAMINA: This one is a close call. We know both fighters can go the distance. They have been in 10-12 round fights before and made it through. But I have to hand this out to Manny. With all that bobbing and weaving, he displays greater stamina than practically all of the fighters he faced.
Erik also has great stamina, but just like in his two loses to MAB, he tends to show fatigue after he is bombed with a barrage of punches. But this is still a close call.

Advantage: MANNY

EXPERIENCE: Erik’s 3 fights at 130 lbs to Manny’s none. Erik’s 149 championhip rounds to Manny’s 46.Whew! That’s a lot of difference! Experience is backing up Erik’s side without any question. He is more comfortable at the weight class and shown that by being the champion, before losing it to eventual champion, MAB. It will definitely be an advantage for him since he is well adsjusted to the weight class and will need less polishing compared to Pacquiao who is still fighting at 130 lbs for the first time.

Advantage: ERIK

HUNGER: I will have to give this to Erik once more. Coming off a loss, he will surely take it on Manny to regain his rightful place as one of the best, if not the best, featherweight in the world.

Advantage: ERIK

MINDSET: Erik is such an emotional fighter. He looks into battles as something personal and that is something he should win. That explains the hunger he has. But if he is not able to get over the MAB loss and rather take it on Manny, to prove something that he can beat the boxer that beat barrera, then it could a weakness. He displayed that well enough during the Barrera fight, he became too emotional and it became his downfall. Right now, Manny fights for flag and country, and not over some heated rivalry, so I will have to give this to him.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINER: Not that I am too much credit on reputation, but his success and experience speaks for itself. Freddie Roach is undoubtedly the best trainer in boxing industry today and Manny respects him like no other. Having the best trainer surely gives advantage to a fighter.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINING TIME: with both fighters starting early on, they should be in tip-top shape when they face each other.

Advantage: DRAW

Well there you have it guys, a split draw on paper. But certainly hope the real outcome won’t be this way. It should be ERIK or MANNY. No more no less. I just wish all the best of luck to both fighters and to all the fans.

very good analysis! :D

Welcome pareng Jawo!!

Pre, we miss you there at Pacland!

Pre, we miss you there at Pacland!


Oo nga ano...busy right now with this forum and MAB....maraming racists eh...LOL.

One thing that people misunderstand about mann is that one he throws his straight left he leaves himself wide open for an uppercut. anotherthing is that Erik fought Barrera and didn't box him because he just didn't like berrera but with pac man i think he will box him and at times they will exchange. OH YEAH HEY MANNY DIDN'T LOOK THAT PRETTY AFTER THE MARQUEZ FIGHT EITHER HE LOOKED PRETTY FUKED UP 2.

Congrats to Air Keng for a balanced and sensible analysis, this type of post are what we need.

I'm a Filipino and I think manny is much stronger and can punch harder than Morales...Pacman will KO Morales in the 4th round!

I'm a Filipino and I think manny is much stronger and can punch harder than Morales...Pacman will KO Morales in the 4th round!


Like Air Keng said...only in the left hand while Morales has power on both. Even is the right choice. :)

Oo nga ano...busy right now with this forum and MAB....maraming racists eh...LOL.


Bro, your RUN CHICKEN RUN signature is the funniest I've seen so far in this forum, he-he. :p

One thing that people misunderstand about mann is that one he throws his straight left he leaves himself wide open for an uppercut. anotherthing is that Erik fought Barrera and didn't box him because he just didn't like berrera but with pac man i think he will box him and at times they will exchange. OH YEAH HEY MANNY DIDN'T LOOK THAT PRETTY AFTER THE MARQUEZ FIGHT EITHER HE LOOKED PRETTY FUKED UP 2.

but marquez's face looked uglier...pac basically rearranged his face...lol :D

One thing that people misunderstand about mann is that one he throws his straight left he leaves himself wide open for an uppercut. anotherthing is that Erik fought Barrera and didn't box him because he just didn't like berrera but with pac man i think he will box him and at times they will exchange. OH YEAH HEY MANNY DIDN'T LOOK THAT PRETTY AFTER THE MARQUEZ FIGHT EITHER HE LOOKED PRETTY FUKED UP 2.

I believe this as well. I highly doubt Morales will exchange with Manny. He said it himself that he respects Manny's power and obviously won't make the mistake to trade with someone stronger than you and has put everyone in his title fights on the floor. He said it himself that it will be more of a technical fight and that he's going to prepare very hard for it. I think he's going to do some research as Team Pac will be doing to find flaws within each other's defenses. I think Morales will review the Barrera fight over the Marquez fight because even Morales knows, the Marquez fight was almost like saying Manny's right hand was broken the entire fight that night(and never in the past fights). So it will be a technical fight though I think after the 1st rd of sizing each other up, technicality will go out the window and it's going to be one of the best featherweight fights we'll ever see!!! :D

I believe this as well. I highly doubt Morales will exchange with Manny. He said it himself that he respects Manny's power and obviously won't make the mistake to trade with someone stronger than you and has put everyone in his title fights on the floor. He said it himself that it will be more of a technical fight and that he's going to prepare very hard for it. I think he's going to do some research as Team Pac will be doing to find flaws within each other's defenses. I think Morales will review the Barrera fight over the Marquez fight because even Morales knows, the Marquez fight was almost like saying Manny's right hand was broken the entire fight that night(and never in the past fights). So it will be a technical fight though I think after the 1st rd of sizing each other up, technicality will go out the window and it's going to be one of the best featherweight fights we'll ever see!!! :D

i think morales didn't mean what he said. how can he respect pac's power when he hasn't tasted it yet? this was apparent in his recent interview when he said he wanted to know who is the stronger puncher between them. besides his machismo mentality is his weakness, so all indication point to him going toe-to-toe with pac in the early rounds.

i think morales didn't mean what he said. how can he respect pac's power when he hasn't tasted it yet?



I think Pacquiao KO over MAB and 3 devastating KDs of JMM had something to do with it. :D

I think Pacquiao KO over MAB and 3 devastating KDs of JMM had something to do with it. :D

he thinks he gotta steel chin...i'm pretty sure he'll try to test it against pac's power.

Air Keng's post makes a lot of sense indeed. Just to add...

Morales main trust is his reach and uses it from a distance where he is more dangerous. From my experience of watching Morales' fights, he throws more accurate punches from a distance where he could measure his opponent well. Morales also attacks effectively when you face him with your head down, he could dig you down in volume. On the other hand, when he fights close, the upper cut is his most lethal punch. But what is most admirable on Morales' offensive ability is when he sees an opening and hurt you, he would follow it up with fast combinations and no matter how you counter, he will stay on top of you to continue those volume of punches. Morales connecting punches from a distance and punches coming from the top because he is usually taller than his opponents were always easy for the judges to see, that is why he would usually get a decision. We could readily see such scenario on his victories against the smaller ones like Ayala, Chavez and Hernandez.

For Pacquiao to counter Morales' deadly arsenals, he need lots of head and feet movemen plus good defense, fast hands and staying close to Morales.Pac must make a relentless attack every round to throw off Morales from his rhytm. I usually see Morales having trouble fighting at a close distance especially when his opponent has quicker hands than him. He also has trouble dealing with relentless attacks but never to the body, only to the head. When Morales' engaged with In Jin Chi, the Korean would always force him to engage closer that allowed Chi to connect with clear shots to the head in most rounds, that is the reason why his fight with Chi was really competitve than expected. In his last fight with Barrera, Marco avoided a fight from a distance and would always engage Morales toe-to-toe, even though Morales would always be on top of Barrera up close, Barrera had the quicker hands, that is why Barrera won. One good thing that Pacquiao must do that he could follow from Barrera is that Barrera would first allow Morales to throw his deadly right, upon avoiding Morales' right, Barrera would immediately struck a left hitting Morales defenseless.

I believe with Pacquiao's speed, he could beat Morales better than what Barrera showed. The more danger here for Morales is that Pacquiao has powerful fists than Barrera and more relentless than Barrera. Pacquiao's ability in cutting the ring and speed would force Morales to fight close and toe-to-toe with Pacquiao. Besides, when Morales feels the painful blows of Pacquiao, his Mexican machismo instinct would come out and would really slambang with Pacquiao toe-to-toe, such match for sure would go Pacquiao's way.

I believe Morales has never seen such a fresh yet powerful and faster top opponent than Pacquiao. I never saw Zaragoza, but I saw Morales' fight with Ayala, Barrera, Hernandez, Chi, Espadas twice and Chavez and I could simply say no one comes close to Pac's power and speed. Barrera and Ayala might be more skillful than Pacquiao but Pac is getting more dangerous now with his improving skill that only complements his power and speed.

Pacquiao by late stoppage or decision.

Good post. WELCOME JAWO ;)

very good analysis! :D
thanks for the copmplement dude...

Congrats to Air Keng for a balanced and sensible analysis, this type of post are what we need.
pinoy ka ba pare? salamat sa karma... saka salamat sa complement... it's always nice to look at bouts on both sides...

Air Keng's post makes a lot of sense indeed. Just to add...

Morales main trust is his reach and uses it from a distance where he is more dangerous. From my experience of watching Morales' fights, he throws more accurate punches from a distance where he could measure his opponent well. Morales also attacks effectively when you face him with your head down, he could dig you down in volume. On the other hand, when he fights close, the upper cut is his most lethal punch. But what is most admirable on Morales' offensive ability is when he sees an opening and hurt you, he would follow it up with fast combinations and no matter how you counter, he will stay on top of you to continue those volume of punches. Morales connecting punches from a distance and punches coming from the top because he is usually taller than his opponents were always easy for the judges to see, that is why he would usually get a decision. We could readily see such scenario on his victories against the smaller ones like Ayala, Chavez and Hernandez.

For Pacquiao to counter Morales' deadly arsenals, he need lots of head and feet movemen plus good defense, fast hands and staying close to Morales.Pac must make a relentless attack every round to throw off Morales from his rhytm. I usually see Morales having trouble fighting at a close distance especially when his opponent has quicker hands than him. He also has trouble dealing with relentless attacks but never to the body, only to the head. When Morales' engaged with In Jin Chi, the Korean would always force him to engage closer that allowed Chi to connect with clear shots to the head in most rounds, that is the reason why his fight with Chi was really competitve than expected. In his last fight with Barrera, Marco avoided a fight from a distance and would always engage Morales toe-to-toe, even though Morales would always be on top of Barrera up close, Barrera had the quicker hands, that is why Barrera won. One good thing that Pacquiao must do that he could follow from Barrera is that Barrera would first allow Morales to throw his deadly right, upon avoiding Morales' right, Barrera would immediately struck a left hitting Morales defenseless.

I believe with Pacquiao's speed, he could beat Morales better than what Barrera showed. The more danger here for Morales is that Pacquiao has powerful fists than Barrera and more relentless than Barrera. Pacquiao's ability in cutting the ring and speed would force Morales to fight close and toe-to-toe with Pacquiao. Besides, when Morales feels the painful blows of Pacquiao, his Mexican machismo instinct would come out and would really slambang with Pacquiao toe-to-toe, such match for sure would go Pacquiao's way.

I believe Morales has never seen such a fresh yet powerful and faster top opponent than Pacquiao. I never saw Zaragoza, but I saw Morales' fight with Ayala, Barrera, Hernandez, Chi, Espadas twice and Chavez and I could simply say no one comes close to Pac's power and speed. Barrera and Ayala might be more skillful than Pacquiao but Pac is getting more dangerous now with his improving skill that only complements his power and speed.

Pacquiao by late stoppage or decision.
astig pareng jawo! buo tayo ng grupo, ang mga analitico, hehe... o kaya ang mga matyagang mag type, hehe...

Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible

As much as everybody wants to see the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez rematch, we will rather see a good, if not better, classic match between Erik “El Terrible” Morales and Manny “The Destroyer” Pacquiao.
And as always, every classic battle between 2 of the most exciting fighters of the present time is preceded by much speculation and debate. So toi set things staright, let me sight some pro’s and con’s between these two great athletes.
I have divided this into categories so here goes:

POWER: These two are pretty much at par with regards to punching power. Manny is regarded to have the most devastating killer punch in boxing pound for pound, but on the contrary, he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right. His left is getting so much hype that people tend to underrate the power of his right, which also posseses some power as he displayed in the Barrera fight.
Erik on the other hand, has shown great and balanced punching power in both hands. He can knock opponents out with either hand and does so with tremendous precision and smooth style. Though he does not have that nasty killer blow that Pacquiao has, he greatly makes up for that with some brutal 1-2.

Advantage: DRAW

SPEED: This is quite obvious. With his fast-paced, come-what-may approach, Manny surely wins this category. His handspeed, footwork, bobbing and weaving all complement his attacking style and the early barrage of punches.
Erik is a slow-paced fighter, which may ezplain why he does not have such remarkable handspeed and footwork as Manny does. But it well fits his style of play.

Advantage: MANNY

SIZE AND REACH: Again, this is quite obvious. Erik is going to be the biggest opponent for Manny and may very well be a big factor in the fight. Erik is 2 inches taller than Manny, and has a whopping 4 inch advantage in reach. So this can greatly help the cause of the Mexican sensation.

Advantage: ERIK

ACCURACY: Due mainly to contrast of styles, Erik wins this category by a distance. With his think-now-attack-later approach, he will surely be more accurate in this fight. Manny is usually the aggressor in his fights and will still be in this one so it will probably spell a high number of total punches but very low landing rate.

Advantage: ERIK

STAMINA: This one is a close call. We know both fighters can go the distance. They have been in 10-12 round fights before and made it through. But I have to hand this out to Manny. With all that bobbing and weaving, he displays greater stamina than practically all of the fighters he faced.
Erik also has great stamina, but just like in his two loses to MAB, he tends to show fatigue after he is bombed with a barrage of punches. But this is still a close call.

Advantage: MANNY

EXPERIENCE: Erik’s 3 fights at 130 lbs to Manny’s none. Erik’s 149 championhip rounds to Manny’s 46.Whew! That’s a lot of difference! Experience is backing up Erik’s side without any question. He is more comfortable at the weight class and shown that by being the champion, before losing it to eventual champion, MAB. It will definitely be an advantage for him since he is well adsjusted to the weight class and will need less polishing compared to Pacquiao who is still fighting at 130 lbs for the first time.

Advantage: ERIK

HUNGER: I will have to give this to Erik once more. Coming off a loss, he will surely take it on Manny to regain his rightful place as one of the best, if not the best, featherweight in the world.

Advantage: ERIK

MINDSET: Erik is such an emotional fighter. He looks into battles as something personal and that is something he should win. That explains the hunger he has. But if he is not able to get over the MAB loss and rather take it on Manny, to prove something that he can beat the boxer that beat barrera, then it could a weakness. He displayed that well enough during the Barrera fight, he became too emotional and it became his downfall. Right now, Manny fights for flag and country, and not over some heated rivalry, so I will have to give this to him.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINER: Not that I am too much credit on reputation, but his success and experience speaks for itself. Freddie Roach is undoubtedly the best trainer in boxing industry today and Manny respects him like no other. Having the best trainer surely gives advantage to a fighter.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINING TIME: with both fighters starting early on, they should be in tip-top shape when they face each other.

Advantage: DRAW

Well there you have it guys, a split draw on paper. But certainly hope the real outcome won’t be this way. It should be ERIK or MANNY. No more no less. I just wish all the best of luck to both fighters and to all the fans.
Wow this is great! But u forgot the main thing,they both have power and what do need to take that power....... a strong chin and that goes to .....Morales easy. Still i think Manny has a very good chance. U can analyze the size of theis booty holes if u want but it all comes down to fight night. Who will be the better that night? We have to wait and see may the best fighter win.

Wow this is great! But u forgot the main thing,they both have power and what do need to take that power....... a strong chin and that goes to .....Morales easy. Still i think Manny has a very good chance. U can analyze the size of theis booty holes if u want but it all comes down to fight night. Who will be the better that night? We have to wait and see may the best fighter win.
i just had the urge to at least put in a fair analysis of the fighters and what i thought of them. booty holes? i was quite objective, i think, and i somehow know some boxing so i am not that stupid to include it... but on the contrary, nice of you to point out... i will be including such comparisons when i write some more of these posts, hehe...

p.s. i didn't say who was going to win, i am leaving that to destiny...

i just had the urge to at least put in a fair analysis of the fighters and what i thought of them. booty holes? i was quite objective, i think, and i somehow know some boxing so i am not that stupid to include it... but on the contrary, nice of you to point out... i will be including such comparisons when i write some more of these posts, hehe...

p.s. i didn't say who was going to win, i am leaving that to destiny...
Didnt mean anything in a bad way bro.Your post if they r this good r welcome to my eyes anytime.We need more of this,really.
Yes u can tell u know boxing cause this thread is great.keep up the good work.

P.s by destiny u r saying Pac wins right? Just a hunch bro. ;)

i dont thing erik would be that foolish to mix it up with pac in the opening bell, but pac will surely hit hard and waste no time. if and does erik get hurt, he'll probably mix it up coz he wont let his pride be bullied like that. pac should put him away no later than the sixth or seventh round, else erik will dance him away. forget about the granite chin. dig the body and remember, erik easily gets his face swollen, so work on the jabs.

Didnt mean anything in a bad way bro.Your post if they r this good r welcome to my eyes anytime.We need more of this,really.
Yes u can tell u know boxing cause this thread is great.keep up the good work.

P.s by destiny u r saying Pac wins right? Just a hunch bro. ;)
ok, i did misinterpret you. i'm cool with that. can't say what destiny is going to do, but certainly hope pac wins. destiny is reletively different from hope...

i dont thing erik would be that foolish to mix it up with pac in the opening bell, but pac will surely hit hard and waste no time. if and does erik get hurt, he'll probably mix it up coz he wont let his pride be bullied like that. pac should put him away no later than the sixth or seventh round, else erik will dance him away. forget about the granite chin. dig the body and remember, erik easily gets his face swollen, so work on the jabs.
he will not mix it up, but he does not have a choice... pac's not going to sit there and let erik dictate the pace of the game... but size does matter, so erik will probably put pac in a relatively farther range...

not so sure.. if they bang it out they both have a good chance at catching each other. in the last mab/em fight, every time they went toe to toe erik looked much stronger physically. mab mostly boxed and found openings the whole fight.

i agree he looked stronger but also look more tired... that's what barrera's speed did to him and that's what gave him openings... much like the MAB-MP fight, MAB was caught waiting for pac and he erased his defense with his right then hit MAB in the face with his left... typical pac strategy...

hmm.. morales wont be stupid tho. he better work on speed cuz he has the power already.

I think Pacman should secretly hire MAB as a sparring partner.I mean,thats the best sparring partner out there if your getting ready to fight Morales.The crazy thing is,MAB just might do it since he hates EM so much,especially after EM threw a water bottle at his father.Seriously though,if Pac just watched tapes of MAB-EM,he'l realize that the blueprint on how to beat EM with ease is quite simple.

i think some people expect too much from manny. he will fight a good fight but come up short against a determined fighter that doesnt know when to quit. im not saying morales is going to fight a dumb fight its just that he is not going to be intimidated by a one dimisional fighter. erik is a slugger but people underestimare his boxing ability. he is not stupid he knows that manny can knock him out. he is not going to go in there and trade punches. he will box manny and look for the knockout is he sees it. i hope manny does not underestimate eriks power cause he might get knocked out.

I think Pacman should secretly hire MAB as a sparring partner.I mean,thats the best sparring partner out there if your getting ready to fight Morales.The crazy thing is,MAB just might do it since he hates EM so much,especially after EM threw a water bottle at his father.Seriously though,if Pac just watched tapes of MAB-EM,he'l realize that the blueprint on how to beat EM with ease is quite simple.


That's a very expensive sparring partner. What he's going to make in the EM fight will last him a few hours of training with MAB. LOL :D

I think Pacman should secretly hire MAB as a sparring partner.I mean,thats the best sparring partner out there if your getting ready to fight Morales.The crazy thing is,MAB just might do it since he hates EM so much,especially after EM threw a water bottle at his father.Seriously though,if Pac just watched tapes of MAB-EM,he'l realize that the blueprint on how to beat EM with ease is quite simple.

i think Pac missed a chance to spar with another guy who is definetly the next best thing to MAB as sparring partner,
INJIN CHI was in Cebu before Pac left the Philippines ....

i think some people expect too much from manny. he will fight a good fight but come up short against a determined fighter that doesnt know when to quit. im not saying morales is going to fight a dumb fight its just that he is not going to be intimidated by a one dimisional fighter. erik is a slugger but people underestimare his boxing ability. he is not stupid he knows that manny can knock him out. he is not going to go in there and trade punches. he will box manny and look for the knockout is he sees it. i hope manny does not underestimate eriks power cause he might get knocked out.

buddy if you have seen the press conference for the fight you would have seen that Manny was very respectful of EM, not making any prediction of KO, this just show that what you are hoping for the PAC will under estimate EM will never happen...

THIS WILL BE WAR...

i think Pac missed a chance to spar with another guy who is definetly the next best thing to MAB as sparring partner,
INJIN CHI was in Cebu before Pac left the Philippines ....

It would be tough to spar with a potential opponent. You don't wanna give away too much of your secrets...

buddy if you have seen the press conference for the fight you would have seen that Manny was very respectful of EM, not making any prediction of KO, this just show that what you are hoping for the PAC will under estimate EM will never happen...

THIS WILL BE WAR...
i agree, pac usually is outspoken when he knows he can beat the opposition easily, or when he does not have much respect for his opponent. he showed respect to morales and i think is being cautious not to fire the mexican too early... he might not have enough when he gets into the ring, hehe... anyway, bottomline is manny respects erik, and erik respects manny. period.

In the press conference, someone asked Manny a question and Manny replied there will be a knockdown or knockout in the fight for sure. He wasn't saying who though he said, he knows Eric has power though so does he, so he won't be surprised.

Air Keng's post makes a lot of sense indeed. Just to add...

Morales main trust is his reach and uses it from a distance where he is more dangerous. From my experience of watching Morales' fights, he throws more accurate punches from a distance where he could measure his opponent well. Morales also attacks effectively when you face him with your head down, he could dig you down in volume. On the other hand, when he fights close, the upper cut is his most lethal punch. But what is most admirable on Morales' offensive ability is when he sees an opening and hurt you, he would follow it up with fast combinations and no matter how you counter, he will stay on top of you to continue those volume of punches. Morales connecting punches from a distance and punches coming from the top because he is usually taller than his opponents were always easy for the judges to see, that is why he would usually get a decision. We could readily see such scenario on his victories against the smaller ones like Ayala, Chavez and Hernandez.

For Pacquiao to counter Morales' deadly arsenals, he need lots of head and feet movemen plus good defense, fast hands and staying close to Morales.Pac must make a relentless attack every round to throw off Morales from his rhytm. I usually see Morales having trouble fighting at a close distance especially when his opponent has quicker hands than him. He also has trouble dealing with relentless attacks but never to the body, only to the head. When Morales' engaged with In Jin Chi, the Korean would always force him to engage closer that allowed Chi to connect with clear shots to the head in most rounds, that is the reason why his fight with Chi was really competitve than expected. In his last fight with Barrera, Marco avoided a fight from a distance and would always engage Morales toe-to-toe, even though Morales would always be on top of Barrera up close, Barrera had the quicker hands, that is why Barrera won. One good thing that Pacquiao must do that he could follow from Barrera is that Barrera would first allow Morales to throw his deadly right, upon avoiding Morales' right, Barrera would immediately struck a left hitting Morales defenseless.

I believe with Pacquiao's speed, he could beat Morales better than what Barrera showed. The more danger here for Morales is that Pacquiao has powerful fists than Barrera and more relentless than Barrera. Pacquiao's ability in cutting the ring and speed would force Morales to fight close and toe-to-toe with Pacquiao. Besides, when Morales feels the painful blows of Pacquiao, his Mexican machismo instinct would come out and would really slambang with Pacquiao toe-to-toe, such match for sure would go Pacquiao's way.

I believe Morales has never seen such a fresh yet powerful and faster top opponent than Pacquiao. I never saw Zaragoza, but I saw Morales' fight with Ayala, Barrera, Hernandez, Chi, Espadas twice and Chavez and I could simply say no one comes close to Pac's power and speed. Barrera and Ayala might be more skillful than Pacquiao but Pac is getting more dangerous now with his improving skill that only complements his power and speed.

Pacquiao by late stoppage or decision.
i was going to post here but i think this just about covers the fight. being a morales fan i agree the worst thing he could do is stand toe-to-toe with pac, the power and speed of manny would be to much. for all his (considerable) skill, morales does tend to engage in wars when he could just box, the old "fight like a mexican" mindset. if he can establish his jab and get his right hand working from distance i can see morales winning, but if pac controls the pace like he did against barrera, he will win.

I'm a Filipino and I think manny is much stronger and can punch harder than Morales...Pacman will KO Morales in the 4th round!

This is the kind of clueless posts that annoys me. El Terrible has never been knocked out and his one knock down came on a quesionable call by the ref in the first Barrera fight. Yes, Pacman is hits like a mule. But Eric has shown he has a granite chin. So for someone to think he'll get knocked out in 4 rounds is kinda stupid.

Oh by the way, I'm Mexican. :)

This is the kind of clueless posts that annoys me. El Terrible has never been knocked out and his one knock down came on a quesionable call by the ref in the first Barrera fight. Yes, Pacman is hits like a mule. But Eric has shown he has a granite chin. So for someone to think he'll get knocked out in 4 rounds is kinda stupid.

Oh by the way, I'm Mexican. :)
there is nothing like a rivalry between two nations... but don't take it too seriously though, just enjoy the fight and let's see who wins... by the way, i am also a filipino, hehe...

Mexico has its most heated rivalry with Puerto Rico. Also Cuba in the old days.

But this Manny vs. the three headed Mexican monster (MAB, EM, JMM) could open space for a good rivalry between Mexico and the Filipinas.

As good as Manny is, I've seen him KO'd twice and knocked down several times. I don't think he has a great chin. Morales is as tough as they come and is a bigger fighter.
I think we all know that Erik will be able to take Manny's punches for twelve rounds if he has to, but will Manny be able to take Erik's power? I don't know, but I think this will be a big factor in the fight. Styles make fights, and Barerra just didn't have a good style to beat Manny and would probably always lose to him. Erik may not be as fast as Manny, but he has better fundamentals. Manny fades down the stretch and I see Morales catching up to him by the 9th or 10th round.

As good as Manny is, I've seen him KO'd twice and knocked down several times. I don't think he has a great chin. Morales is as tough as they come and is a bigger fighter.
I think we all know that Erik will be able to take Manny's punches for twelve rounds if he has to, but will Manny be able to take Erik's power? I don't know, but I think this will be a big factor in the fight. Styles make fights, and Barerra just didn't have a good style to beat Manny and would probably always lose to him. Erik may not be as fast as Manny, but he has better fundamentals. Manny fades down the stretch and I see Morales catching up to him by the 9th or 10th round.
though i agree that erik's chin is more proven than manny's, let us consider when was the last time manny was KO'd or knocked down. that was long before and the manny today is totally different. he might not have the strongest chin but surely makes up for that with his defense. manny's defense only gets better and better with every fight. morales is slow for manny and does not have a remarkable handspeed, so manny could probably block erik's punches at any time. on teh other hand, i strongly disagree that manny fades late in a fight. if he fades well in a fight, then what do you call erik's? vanishing in the later rounds? as many fights as i've seen manny, he is still making that patended bobbing and weaving style even in the 12th round. if that's fading for you then i'll be fine with it...

How could JMM come back to get a draw after he was down 3 times in the 1st? M-Pac faded. I can't say this is the case for most of his fights, but it was against JMM. Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov put M-Pac down back in 2003, a fighter with a 3-6-1 record, so did MAB and Nedal Hussein. He was kayoed by Medgoen Singsurat and Rustico Torrecampo. Morales has faded of his bout at lighter weights, but he has done well at 130 and I can't see this as a problem. I can say one thing, M-Pac has only fought one very good fighter, so the pressure will be on him to step up. We know what Morales will bring. Manny is going might be in trouble.

Eric's bravery will be his downfall. He will try to box but the 1st time he gets cracked.....provided it's not a lights out punch. He will stand and trade it is what he does. He has neither the hand speed to out box Paq nor the power to keep Paq off of him. Don't get me wrong I like Erik and think he is a great fighter. I give him major props for taking this fight. But unless Osama Bin Laden kidnaps Paq's family I see no way Erik can win.

How could JMM come back to get a draw after he was down 3 times in the 1st? M-Pac faded. I can't say this is the case for most of his fights, but it was against JMM. Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov put M-Pac down back in 2003, a fighter with a 3-6-1 record, so did MAB and Nedal Hussein. He was kayoed by Medgoen Singsurat and Rustico Torrecampo. Morales has faded of his bout at lighter weights, but he has done well at 130 and I can't see this as a problem. I can say one thing, M-Pac has only fought one very good fighter, so the pressure will be on him to step up. We know what Morales will bring. Manny is going might be in trouble.
he did not fade in the later rounds during that JMM fight, actually he kept on attacking JMM until the end. it is not fading out because he was not able to connect because of the counterpunching of JMM. fading out means you stop attcking and you are able to connect in anyway. they both finished the match strongly and i guess they did not fade out. ok, i agree with the knockdown by hussein and Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov, but MAB? that was a slip, clearly... did you watch the Medgoen Singsurat match? manny was obviously not in shape, i was so disgusted i that fight because he was not given the proper training and nutrition. be looked fat during that fight, so i won't count that as a legitimate KO on pac, he just wasn't in top form. and on erik fading out, he did at 130 in his last fight... and correction, i guess we can say pac has fought at least TWO good fighters, MAB and JMM...

JMM will never fight Paq again. He knows he defied the odds to survive in that fight so he priced himself out of a rematch...good luck paying your bills this year JMM.

JMM will never fight Paq again. He knows he defied the odds to survive in that fight so he priced himself out of a rematch...good luck paying your bills this year JMM.


"He priced himself out of the fight. So maybe its a good way of saying he doesn't want to fight again"." - Freddie Roach

he did not fade in the later rounds during that JMM fight, actually he kept on attacking JMM until the end. it is not fading out because he was not able to connect because of the counterpunching of JMM. fading out means you stop attcking and you are able to connect in anyway. they both finished the match strongly and i guess they did not fade out. ok, i agree with the knockdown by hussein and Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov, but MAB? that was a slip, clearly... did you watch the Medgoen Singsurat match? manny was obviously not in shape, i was so disgusted i that fight because he was not given the proper training and nutrition. be looked fat during that fight, so i won't count that as a legitimate KO on pac, he just wasn't in top form. and on erik fading out, he did at 130 in his last fight... and correction, i guess we can say pac has fought at least TWO good fighters, MAB and JMM...

Yes, excuse me, he did fight two good fighters, but he was being outclassed by JMM for about 10 rounds. Your telling me a bigger stronger fighter with a better resume can't do the same. Let's not for MAB also lost to Junior Jones.

well i don't see how it can happen. After all PAQ beat MAB up...MAB beat ERIK up...so logic tells us.....PAQ beats ERIK up.

well i don't see how it can happen. After all PAQ beat MAB up...MAB beat ERIK up...so logic tells us.....PAQ beats ERIK up.

Well, sir, logic tells me styles make fights. I guess a nuthugger is as a nuthugger does.

Well, sir, logic tells me styles make fights. I guess a nuthugger is as a nuthugger does.


Got a point there sister.

JMM-Pac showed that under the most intense counter fire, Pacquiao will still be able to land a lot of his power punches on his opponent.

Marquez only landed 10 more punches than Pac. If Pac can do that to a "perfect" counter puncher like JMM, then we don't have to wonder why Pac was able to pulverize MAB.

How could JMM come back to get a draw after he was down 3 times in the 1st? M-Pac faded. I can't say this is the case for most of his fights, but it was against JMM. Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov put M-Pac down back in 2003, a fighter with a 3-6-1 record, so did MAB and Nedal Hussein. He was kayoed by Medgoen Singsurat and Rustico Torrecampo. Morales has faded of his bout at lighter weights, but he has done well at 130 and I can't see this as a problem. I can say one thing, M-Pac has only fought one very good fighter, so the pressure will be on him to step up. We know what Morales will bring. Manny is going might be in trouble.


MAB? Are you halucinating friend? :D that's right officially DAMN ref Cole called that slip a K.D. but right there on that night during the course of the fight the panelist reviewed that segment over and over again and right there they declared that a Ref's mis call. Including that KD that Pac dealt MAB which again the ref called a slip. :D Common man let's deal with reality. Watch that fight over and over again watch that first round incident and listen to the panelist while that thing is being replayed in a slomo. :p

Yes, excuse me, he did fight two good fighters, but he was being outclassed by JMM for about 10 rounds. Your telling me a bigger stronger fighter with a better resume can't do the same. Let's not for MAB also lost to Junior Jones.
you said it yourself, fighitng styles make the difference. JMM is far more better than erik in terms of counterpunching so manny won't have any problem with that. MAB and manny have almost the same style and that should be a concern for erik. yes, erik is much bigger and stronger than JMM but on the other hand, he is much more slower than JMM. pacquiao had problems with marquez because he was constantly moving, erik does not do that... there goes my point...

Sister I am sure you are the expert on nut hugging. If you are so sure that Erik will win perhaps you can put some money where your mouth is...that is if you can get those nuts out 1st.

Yes, excuse me, he did fight two good fighters, but he was being outclassed by JMM for about 10 rounds. Your telling me a bigger stronger fighter with a better resume can't do the same. Let's not for MAB also lost to Junior Jones.

You said style makes fights and you throw MAB's loss on the table :rolleyes: . Jones got raped by Morales because the latter was quicker and JJ just didn't move when EM threw those overhand rights galore. He got tagged e-v-e-r-y single time.

Thing is, JMM not only gave "problems" to PacMan, he took him to school for 10 rounds. Marquez soundly outboxed Manny as soon as he figured the Filipino out (around the 3rd. round) Marquez made PacMan look like a one-dimensional fighter, showing off a lot of Manny's flaws in the process. You don't think Morales will watch that video?

Thing is, JMM not only gave "problems" to PacMan, he took him to school for 10 rounds. Marquez soundly outboxed Manny as soon as he figured the Filipino out (around the 3rd. round) Marquez made PacMan look like a one-dimensional fighter, showing off a lot of Manny's flaws in the process. You don't think Morales will watch that video?

1) Marquez didn't outbox Pac for TEN rounds. You're as bad as Guy Jutras.

2) Manny fought one-dimensional, Pac consistantly trying to finish JMM off with one hand and failed. Should be a different story come the rematch.

3) Morales can watch that fight over and over and over again. He can rewind, fast forward, put it in slow mo but he ain't Marquez and counterpunching ain't exactly teh basis of his style. If Morales bases his training on that last fight, the heck would happen if Manny would use two fists?

Thing is, JMM not only gave "problems" to PacMan, he took him to school for 10 rounds. Marquez soundly outboxed Manny as soon as he figured the Filipino out (around the 3rd. round) Marquez made PacMan look like a one-dimensional fighter, showing off a lot of Manny's flaws in the process. You don't think Morales will watch that video?
thing is, JMM took (as you saw it) 10 rounds to match what manny did in 1 round. he was outboxed alright, that's undeniable, but it is also a fact that counterpunchers usually outbox fighters who comes close and wants to fiight toe-to-toe. that's the maic of counterpunching. alright, erik is going to watch that tape, but do you think he will change his style just because of that? you can't be a power-puncher all your life and then switch styles that quick in 9 weeks... in response to your view as to manny being a 1-dimensional fighter, trying to finish off JMM only with his left, well i can say that that is what you call, "killer instincts"...

1) Marquez didn't outbox Pac for TEN rounds. You're as bad as Guy Jutras.

2) Manny fought one-dimensional, Pac consistantly trying to finish JMM off with one hand and failed. Should be a different story come the rematch.

3) Morales can watch that fight over and over and over again. He can rewind, fast forward, put it in slow mo but he ain't Marquez and counterpunching ain't exactly teh basis of his style. If Morales bases his training on that last fight, the heck would happen if Manny would use two fists?


1. OK so he outboxed him for 8 rounds out of 10 (after the first 2) I prefer the term "took him to school", because that's exactly what JMM did to Pac.

2. I don't know. Should it?

3. Guess we'll just have to wait for March 19th.

I'll repeat this post:

JMM-Pac showed that under the most intense counter fire, Pacquiao will still be able to land a lot of his power punches on his opponent.

Marquez only landed 10 more punches than Pac. If Pac can do that to a "perfect" counter puncher like JMM, then we don't have to wonder why Pac was able to pulverize MAB.

And add this:

Is Marquez a "pigeon puncher" (soft puncher) that Pacquiao just shrugged off his most powerful punches despite getting hit flush on the chin? And not just once but a couple of times?

1. OK so he outboxed him for 8 rounds out of 10 (after the first 2) I prefer the term "took him to school", because that's exactly what JMM did to Pac.

2. I don't know. Should it?

3. Guess we'll just have to wait for March 19th.

1) after seeing the fight 9 times, i had it 7-5 for marquez. you could have seen it differently. 10-6 round 1 should have given Pac the win. Everyone keeps getting caught up with the "DRAMA" of the comeback they forget to watch the fight. but some roudns were close, you couls have very well saw it 8-4 no fault.

2) Well when a fighter uses two hands instead of one, you usually get more success.

3) Yes we'll have to.

And also add these:

1. What are the punches that really hurt Marquez? Were they the punches that knocked him down?

Answer: Watch the fight again. Even in the first round. The punches that bloodied Marquez's nose were not the ones that knocked him down. They were punches that he was countering and which hit him hard.

2. Is Marquez idea of "thoroughly outboxing" his opponent the same as landing only 10 more punches than his opponent while getting hurt more than he could ever imagine.

the thing is, manny is to face his most powerful opponent yet in the person of erik so it's quite interesting how manny fairs with a power puncher...

Power + Power = Boxing History

Power + Power = Boxing History

Air keng, are you through with the assignment I gave you? Come on I'm dying to give you your grades.

idk why u r comparing marquez and morales. two different fighters two different styles. it makes no sense.

I think Pacman should secretly hire MAB as a sparring partner.I mean,thats the best sparring partner out there if your getting ready to fight Morales.The crazy thing is,MAB just might do it since he hates EM so much,especially after EM threw a water bottle at his father.Seriously though,if Pac just watched tapes of MAB-EM,he'l realize that the blueprint on how to beat EM with ease is quite simple.
Barrera and Manny have way different talents as a matter of fact Mannys is his left.Barrera has many more talents its just that....that damn left hand equalizes everything.This is the key to the fight. If Morales can stay away from the left and take the left when it lands. If he can its gameover Pacman!

And also add these:

1. What are the punches that really hurt Marquez? Were they the punches that knocked him down?

Answer: Watch the fight again. Even in the first round. The punches that bloodied Marquez's nose were not the ones that knocked him down. They were punches that he was countering and which hit him hard.

2. Is Marquez idea of "thoroughly outboxing" his opponent the same as landing only 10 more punches than his opponent while getting hurt more than he could ever imagine.
I see that he broke his nose when Marquez was down and Manny took a cheap shot when he was down already.

Correct. Stay away from the left Eric, better yet, don't fight pac at all....hehehe...

thing is, JMM took (as you saw it) 10 rounds to match what manny did in 1 round. he was outboxed alright, that's undeniable, but it is also a fact that counterpunchers usually outbox fighters who comes close and wants to fiight toe-to-toe. that's the maic of counterpunching. alright, erik is going to watch that tape, but do you think he will change his style just because of that? you can't be a power-puncher all your life and then switch styles that quick in 9 weeks... in response to your view as to manny being a 1-dimensional fighter, trying to finish off JMM only with his left, well i can say that that is what you call, "killer instincts"...
U r talking about your pride and joy right?.Cause we all know Morrales can box when he wants to.And he can do it 10 better than your pride and joy.okay so if he would of tried with his right waht would u call that one?

Correct. Stay away from the left Eric, better yet, don't fight pac at all....hehehe...
Then y r u people saying that the Mexicans r chicken gays,when u clearly r saying dont fight him at all.huummmm....

Then y r u people saying that the Mexicans r chicken gays,when u clearly r saying dont fight him at all.huummmm....

hes jealous obviously. its only cuz he looks like one. just look at the pic. his hair looks like feathers.

hes jealous obviously. its only cuz he looks like one. just look at the pic. his hair looks like feathers.
tell em bro. tell them how full of cheech they all r! :D

why do half the people on this message board have avatars that i can jerk off to? (note: i'm referring to the busty hotties not the shirtless welterweights)

Thing is, JMM not only gave "problems" to PacMan, he took him to school for 10 rounds. Marquez soundly outboxed Manny as soon as he figured the Filipino out (around the 3rd. round) Marquez made PacMan look like a one-dimensional fighter, showing off a lot of Manny's flaws in the process. You don't think Morales will watch that video?


Morales can watch that video a 100 times but he won't learn anything because that's an injured Pac he is watching. Do you really think Pac will go out there and do that "one arm bandit" style? You should know better dude.

JMM took Pacman to school? You are desperately lying. How can that be a draw if what you are saying is true?

Now where is JMM? Hiding? Avoiding that rematch? You're pathetic. Here look at JMM's face
http://www.applepics.com/6/userfiles/41e9c5e96584d.jpg
Pacman gave your JMM a "plus" . . . he used only his right hand for 10 rounds from round 3 to 12.

Barrera and Manny have way different talents as a matter of fact Mannys is his left.Barrera has many more talents its just that....that damn left hand equalizes everything.This is the key to the fight. If Morales can stay away from the left and take the left when it lands. If he can its gameover Pacman!


Yeah that's a big IF . . . . AND what IF Eric can't :D


Stop DREAMING Dude let's deal with reality.

Sister I am sure you are the expert on nut hugging. If you are so sure that Erik will win perhaps you can put some money where your mouth is...that is if you can get those nuts out 1st.

I bet you would love if I took my nuts out, but I don't swing that way Mr. Gay Foreskins. I don't bet for money, but if you want we can come up with something degrading to put on each others avatars.

what if this. what if that. WHAT IF ERIC BEATS MANNY?? i bet half the manny fans here dont ever post again.

what if this. what if that. WHAT IF ERIC BEATS MANNY?? i bet half the manny fans here dont ever post again.

wuttz up...cheeta-eh? :D you're messing with the pac-fans again - why so much hate, boy? this board is much better without a whining chihuahua around here - so stfu! :mad:

Then y r u people saying that the Mexicans r chicken gays,when u clearly r saying dont fight him at all.huummmm....

Did I say that? Sorry, you must have mixed me up with someone.

what if this. what if that. WHAT IF ERIC BEATS MANNY?? i bet half the manny fans here dont ever post again.


I did'nt know that you are also a magician. :D
What will you have after that? pigeons or doves?

i never thought two people could be more corny than u too. be proud. wtf did u get magic from? that made no sense..

and cheeta... real clever. i didnt see that one coming. im not surprised. i dont expect much intelligence from either of u.

I see that he broke his nose when Marquez was down and Manny took a cheap shot when he was down already.

See! You don't know WTF you're talking about. The punches that broke JMM's nose were not those who knocked him down.

And Pacquiao was tentative when he fired the shot when Marquez's glove touched the canvas. If it was a full force shot then Marquez wouldn't get up.

Look at the clock. It took JMM 12 seconds in the 3rd knock down.

If Cortez disqualified Pacquiao... then there wouldn't be a rematch because people will say it isn't needed because JMM is a ***** getting virtually knocked out.

you said it yourself, fighitng styles make the difference. JMM is far more better than erik in terms of counterpunching so manny won't have any problem with that. MAB and manny have almost the same style and that should be a concern for erik. yes, erik is much bigger and stronger than JMM but on the other hand, he is much more slower than JMM. pacquiao had problems with marquez because he was constantly moving, erik does not do that... there goes my point...

JMM clearly outboxed M-Pac. You can Debate on how many rounds Pac won, bet there is no debate that he was outboxed. Morales is a very good boxer and you can't just base his style on his fights with MAB. Erik is also a better fighter than JMM with a much better chin, who also hits harder. Morales is not slow and JMM is no speed demon. I'm not taking anything away from
M-Pac, but MAB has lost to a few fighters who were really elite. Just because Manny beat Barerra doesn't mean he is an elite fighter. Does he hit hard? Hell yeah! So could Junior Jones. But he didn't beat JMM and was clearly outboxed. I understand he is a fellow filipina, but before you annoint him god, let's see if he can perform another miracle

JMM clearly outboxed M-Pac. You can Debate on how many rounds Pac won, bet there is no debate that he was outboxed. Morales is a very good boxer and you can't just base his style on his fights with MAB. Erik is also a better fighter than JMM with a much better chin, who also hits harder. Morales is not slow and JMM is no speed demon. I'm not taking anything away from
M-Pac, but MAB has lost to a few fighters who were really elite. Just because Manny beat Barerra doesn't mean he is an elite fighter. Does he hit hard? Hell yeah! So could Junior Jones. But he didn't beat JMM and was clearly outboxed. I understand he is a fellow filipina, but before you annoint him god, let's see if he can perform another miracle

Define an elite fighter.

MAB? Are you halucinating friend? :D that's right officially DAMN ref Cole called that slip a K.D. but right there on that night during the course of the fight the panelist reviewed that segment over and over again and right there they declared that a Ref's mis call. Including that KD that Pac dealt MAB which again the ref called a slip. :D Common man let's deal with reality. Watch that fight over and over again watch that first round incident and listen to the panelist while that thing is being replayed in a slomo. :p

I know he slipped, but are you telling me he has a great chin. Do some research and watch Manny go down and then tell me how great he is.

what if this. what if that. WHAT IF ERIC BEATS MANNY?? i bet half the manny fans here dont ever post again.


Now that's a prediction that will never happen. Cause we are no sore losers. We will post whether or not Pac loses because we love boxing and not just our boy :rolleyes:

I know he slipped, but are you telling me he has a great chin. Do some research and watch Manny go down and then tell me how great he is.

whhooooooooooooooooooooooooo! i like..

Now that's a prediction that will never happen. Cause we are no sore losers. We will post whether or not Pac loses because we love boxing and not just our boy :rolleyes:

good then. we will see who the real fans are.

Define an elite fighter.

The best or most skilled. A superior fighter. He didn't prove that he was better than JMM and he hasn't even cleaned out his division, so how can one ascend themselves to elite status with only one good win? I don't even like Morales but nuthuggers make me more sick than El Terrible.

I know he slipped, but are you telling me he has a great chin. Do some research and watch Manny go down and then tell me how great he is.

You are a moronically stupid person. When somebody corrected you saying that Pac slipped... you agreed immediately coz you don't know ****.

Why don't you watch the fight again so that you can find out that MAB tripped Pac by stepping on his foot.

Thing is, JMM not only gave "problems" to PacMan, he took him to school for 10 rounds. Marquez soundly outboxed Manny as soon as he figured the Filipino out (around the 3rd. round) Marquez made PacMan look like a one-dimensional fighter, showing off a lot of Manny's flaws in the process. You don't think Morales will watch that video?

AND PAC WILL WATCH MORALES FIGHT VIDEO, TOO, THE ONE WITH BARRERA OUTPOINTING HIM. well, that's just the case, they're both going to study each other. although i think morales has the edge here, im still hoping pacman could make the difference because of pac's quickness and punching power!

I know he slipped, but are you telling me he has a great chin. Do some research and watch Manny go down and then tell me how great he is.


Well you do the researching buddy. Obviously you don't know Pacquiao and you don't know what you are talking about :p I'm I telling you that he has a great chin? Did you see that in my post? Pacquiao might not have the best chin but he doesn't have a "glass chin either". Watch how Pacquiao absorb the best punches that MAB and JMM had to offer, doesn't it show that the guy have a decent chin otherwise you'll be telling me that both MAB and JMM doesn't have power at all. Now if you are reffering to the guy's earlier KDs . . . how long ago was that? For your info after he lost his belt in Thailand due to weight problem he demolished and sent 12 of his last 14 opponents to the canvas with that fight with dirty Sanchez and JMM ending in controversial draws. :) Actually he sent 13 to the canvas that includes JMM, MAB, LUCERO and LEBWADA.

Now before you post something make sure you know what you are talking about . . . buddy. :D Who needs to do a research?

what if this. what if that. WHAT IF ERIC BEATS MANNY?? i bet half the manny fans here dont ever post again.


Yeah right what IF . .IF . . IF . . . you don't argue based on your dreams or halucinations :D you can say that to brown bomber.

You can bet your ASS, win or lose all these Pac fans will still be here . . . now you want a bet? Just confirm it buddy. :D

No matter what all of you people here say, it will surely be a fight to remember! Let's just wait and see.

It should not be overlooked that Morales does have a good and steady jab that he can rely on, if he chooses to that is. I'm pretty sure his trainer will hammer this point into his skull. The consequences would be dire if he chose not to use it.

Yeah right what IF . .IF . . IF . . . you don't argue based on your dreams or halucinations :D you can say that to brown bomber.

You can bet your ASS, win or lose all these Pac fans will still be here . . . now you want a bet? Just confirm it buddy. :D

confirmed *****. half of u asses wont be here.

confirmed *****. half of u asses wont be here.

I'll be here.

confirmed *****. half of u asses wont be here.


Confirmed? OK tough ASS . . . what's gonna be at stake? :D

All I know is IF Pac KOs Morales, cheech will be the first guy getting the bashing from me.

You are a moronically stupid person. When somebody corrected you saying that Pac slipped... you agreed immediately coz you don't know ****.

Why don't you watch the fight again so that you can find out that MAB tripped Pac by stepping on his foot.

Hey *****, how can you say I don't know ****? Because I don't agree with some of the things some people say. I have an opinion and it's that Pac doesn't have a great chin. How am I moronically stupid? Saying that just makes you sound ignorant, which you probably are.

Well you do the researching buddy. Obviously you don't know Pacquiao and you don't know what you are talking about :p I'm I telling you that he has a great chin? Did you see that in my post? Pacquiao might not have the best chin but he doesn't have a "glass chin either". Watch how Pacquiao absorb the best punches that MAB and JMM had to offer, doesn't it show that the guy have a decent chin otherwise you'll be telling me that both MAB and JMM doesn't have power at all. Now if you are reffering to the guy's earlier KDs . . . how long ago was that? For your info after he lost his belt in Thailand due to weight problem he demolished and sent 12 of his last 14 opponents to the canvas with that fight with dirty Sanchez and JMM ending in controversial draws. :) Actually he sent 13 to the canvas that includes JMM, MAB, LUCERO and LEBWADA.

Now before you post something make sure you know what you are talking about . . . buddy. :D Who needs to do a research?

I never said that you said he has a great chin, and I never said he has a glass chin. What I am saying is that he knocked out a bunch of ham and eggers. Sure he knocked out MAB, sure he knocked down JMM. But he was also outclassed by JMM after the first round. OUTSKILLED! You guys are downplaying Morales just because you want Pac to win and you are basing your decision that Pac will win solely on the Barerra-Morales fight. The Barerra-Morales fight wasn't even about boxing. It was about defending your turf and representing your people and your name. This fight is a totally different situation. It's not personal this time. Erik Morales is a very talented fighter, more talented than Manny. Manny is a quick fighter with a big punch, but what's going to happen when Erick doesn't go down? I don't know if Pac can last if he has to go to war with Morales, and he definately can't outbox him, so were just going to have to wait and see. Either way, I think Manny is a very good fighter, but Erik is a great fighter and that will be the difference in the fight. Good luck to them both. It should be a great fight

JMM clearly outboxed M-Pac. You can Debate on how many rounds Pac won, bet there is no debate that he was outboxed. Morales is a very good boxer and you can't just base his style on his fights with MAB. Erik is also a better fighter than JMM with a much better chin, who also hits harder. Morales is not slow and JMM is no speed demon. I'm not taking anything away from
M-Pac, but MAB has lost to a few fighters who were really elite. Just because Manny beat Barerra doesn't mean he is an elite fighter. Does he hit hard? Hell yeah! So could Junior Jones. But he didn't beat JMM and was clearly outboxed. I understand he is a fellow filipina, but before you annoint him god, let's see if he can perform another miracle
so you're saying that barrera was TKO'd by a very cheap fighter? then that means he is as cheap too... you can't be an "elite' fighter and be TKO'd, or outboxed by such a cheap fighter... and i have told this before: i admit that JMM outboxed manny, i am not going to deny that... because he outboxed manny by only ten punches... come on! there's no significant difference...

The best or most skilled. A superior fighter. He didn't prove that he was better than JMM and he hasn't even cleaned out his division, so how can one ascend themselves to elite status with only one good win? I don't even like Morales but nuthuggers make me more sick than El Terrible.
huh? you are considering erik and your beloved MAB elite fighters, but i'm going to throw your quesiton back to you, have they sweeped their divisions yet? MAB is avoiding JMM, erik is not going to face JMM, manny has beaten MAB, will have a possible rematch with JMM (i hope), and will be fighting erik. he's not going to fight threeof the best in that division if he was not among the best too. and who are you calling nuthuggers? you are the nuthugger, defending MAB like his d**k was your life...

I never said that you said he has a great chin, and I never said he has a glass chin. What I am saying is that he knocked out a bunch of ham and eggers. Sure he knocked out MAB, sure he knocked down JMM. But he was also outclassed by JMM after the first round. OUTSKILLED! You guys are downplaying Morales just because you want Pac to win and you are basing your decision that Pac will win solely on the Barerra-Morales fight. The Barerra-Morales fight wasn't even about boxing. It was about defending your turf and representing your people and your name. This fight is a totally different situation. It's not personal this time. Erik Morales is a very talented fighter, more talented than Manny. Manny is a quick fighter with a big punch, but what's going to happen when Erick doesn't go down? I don't know if Pac can last if he has to go to war with Morales, and he definately can't outbox him, so were just going to have to wait and see. Either way, I think Manny is a very good fighter, but Erik is a great fighter and that will be the difference in the fight. Good luck to them both. It should be a great fight
you are also downplaying manny because you want erik to win badly... and you now what manny can do... best killer punch in the business... discrediting manny is just not suited for his reputation...

so you're saying that barrera was TKO'd by a very cheap fighter? then that means he is as cheap too... you can't be an "elite' fighter and be TKO'd, or outboxed by such a cheap fighter... and i have told this before: i admit that JMM outboxed manny, i am not going to deny that... because he outboxed manny by only ten punches... come on! there's no significant difference...

Look, Manny is not a cheap fighter, he's very good. He just hasn't proven himself to be an elite fighter. The difference between him and JMM is ring generalship. Marquez has more ring generalship than Manny. It doesn't matter how many punches you landed, it's how you control the fight.

MAB is an elite fighter, but he just doesn't match up well with some people, and his chin has been reached.

Freddy Roach said Manny suffered a fracture in his left hand during the the fight with JMM which effected his performance badly. I'll believe him since he hasn't read all this forum nonsense to need to make up an excuse. There you have it, that is why Manny couldn't put away or perform as he does vs every other boxer he's faced. This is why JMM stayed away from the fire because he knew he'd get burned in the rematch.

you are also downplaying manny because you want erik to win badly... and you now what manny can do... best killer punch in the business... discrediting manny is just not suited for his reputation...

I'm not discrediting Manny, I'm just not gonna put him on a pedestal just yet. I'm not even a Morales fan. I just think that this will be Manny's toughest fight; tougher than the JMM fight. If he wins, I'll give him all the credit in the world.

Look, Manny is not a cheap fighter, he's very good. He just hasn't proven himself to be an elite fighter. The difference between him and JMM is ring generalship. Marquez has more ring generalship than Manny. It doesn't matter how many punches you landed, it's how you control the fight.

MAB is an elite fighter, but he just doesn't match up well with some people, and his chin has been reached.
JMM: counter puncher. Manny: toe-to-toe fighter... counterpuchers usually have better ring generalship becaus they only strike when they want to... and what do you mean landed punches do not count that much? the term "outbox" is directly related to punches landed... so it shows that manny wasn't left behind that much... considering a counterpuncher in JMM...

I'm not discrediting Manny, I'm just not gonna put him on a pedestal just yet. I'm not even a Morales fan. I just think that this will be Manny's toughest fight; tougher than the JMM fight. If he wins, I'll give him all the credit in the world.
i agree, toughest fight on paper, but i won't say this is tougher a fight for manny that with JMM... JMM is still the toughest for manny and will always be... but if ever manny loses to erik, only then would i change my mind, hehe... but i doubt it...

i agree, toughest fight on paper, but i won't say this is tougher a fight for manny that with JMM... JMM is still the toughest for manny and will always be... but if ever manny loses to erik, only then would i change my mind, hehe... but i doubt it...

Hey man. At least we agree to disagree.

Hey man. At least we agree to disagree.
yeah, right on...

I never said that you said he has a great chin, and I never said he has a glass chin. What I am saying is that he knocked out a bunch of ham and eggers. Sure he knocked out MAB, sure he knocked down JMM. But he was also outclassed by JMM after the first round. OUTSKILLED! You guys are downplaying Morales just because you want Pac to win and you are basing your decision that Pac will win solely on the Barerra-Morales fight. The Barerra-Morales fight wasn't even about boxing. It was about defending your turf and representing your people and your name. This fight is a totally different situation. It's not personal this time. Erik Morales is a very talented fighter, more talented than Manny. Manny is a quick fighter with a big punch, but what's going to happen when Erick doesn't go down? I don't know if Pac can last if he has to go to war with Morales, and he definately can't outbox him, so were just going to have to wait and see. Either way, I think Manny is a very good fighter, but Erik is a great fighter and that will be the difference in the fight. Good luck to them both. It should be a great fight


There you go Bro . . . now we are in a sensible arguement. That's how I like it.

I can't speak for all Pac fans, I can only speak for myself. I'm a MAB fan too and have a great respect for Eric for being the man. Now this is my take on the issue.

I'm not down playing Eric or the guy's skills, capabilities and accomplishments . . . it's just that I have seen Pac come from the scratch up to his present level and I've seen him step up and accomplish what he needs to accomplish in all his big fights. The guy at 26 is just starting to peak and always shows improvement evrytime he climbs the ring. As to Erik he has been a p4p fighter long before Pac came into the picture but his performance for the last two years is not really that impressive (at least in my eyes), reason why despite this fight being a 50/50 fight for both I'm picking Pac to make it.

It's going to be a very explosive fight which can go both ways.
May the best man win! ;)

pacman is a cut above the rest...he will win this fight. if pacman wins this fight, there's no shame on erik for losing to a great fighter. it can be said vice-versa.

All I know is IF Pac KOs Morales, cheech will be the first guy getting the bashing from me.

your point? u act as if i care. dont get too happy cuz pac will be on his ass and o yea the pics will be everywhere.


Confirmed? OK tough ASS . . . what's gonna be at stake? :D

wtf r u talking about/

your point? u act as if i care. dont get too happy cuz pac will be on his ass and o yea the pics will be everywhere.




wtf r u talking about/
This **** is tooooooo funny. lmao.............................................. .................................................. .............................................Pacma n !!!!!GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!

your point? u act as if i care. dont get too happy cuz pac will be on his ass and o yea the pics will be everywhere.




wtf r u talking about/


What am I talking about?:D Are you are getting lost in your own **** cheech. . .TAE? :p I thought you want a bet that half of the Pac fans won't be here after Pac lost. I guess your ****s have already contaminated your brain man.

Check your posts here in this thread and tell me what did you confirmed. :cool:

What am I talking about?:D Are you are getting lost in your own **** cheech. . .TAE? :p I thought you want a bet that half of the Pac fans won't be here after Pac lost. I guess your ****s have already contaminated your brain man.

Check your posts here in this thread and tell me what did you confirmed. :cool:

don't mind cheech-ongo, he was just jealous about the attention pac is getting right now. the guy is plainly stupid and has the intellect of a cucuracha... :D

What am I talking about?:D Are you are getting lost in your own **** cheech. . .TAE? :p I thought you want a bet that half of the Pac fans won't be here after Pac lost. I guess your ****s have already contaminated your brain man.

Check your posts here in this thread and tell me what did you confirmed. :cool:


u asking me whats at stake when i already said that half of u asses wont be here. check yourself u dumb ****.

don't mind cheech-ongo, he was just jealous about the attention pac is getting right now. the guy is plainly stupid and has the intellect of a cucuracha... :D

plainly stupid?? lol u have the intelligence of a monkey which equals that of a 3-4 yr old. and its cucaracha moron.

This **** is tooooooo funny. lmao.............................................. .................................................. .............................................Pacma n !!!!!GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!


man when morales wins we gonna have to photoshop some pics to re-enforce that pac really lost. lol

don't mind cheech-ongo, he was just jealous about the attention pac is getting right now. the guy is plainly stupid and has the intellect of a cucuracha... :D

:p I guess you are right buddy this **** HEAD is just desperate to post his craps and bull****s because he is jealous and insecure on the attention that Pac is getting . . . poor pathetic guy. :D Look at cheech_TAE's sig . . . obviously this moron wants attention

What a waste of time. :cool:

u asking me whats at stake when i already said that half of u asses wont be here. check yourself u dumb ****.


:D You said you want a bet right? Well I'm asking you what's gonna be at stake DICK HEAD. HALF of US?

Moron you are such a waste of time. :cool:

man when morales wins we gonna have to photoshop some pics to re-enforce that pac really lost. lol


Its not gonna happen Mr. Pachater :D

But thanks for that great idea....hehehe Morales kissing the canvas pix everywhere.

plainly stupid?? lol u have the intelligence of a monkey which equals that of a 3-4 yr old. and its cucaracha moron.

wuttever, who cares about spelling nowadays (even more if it's espanol). at least monkeys are only two notches away from humans, unlike the ****roach brain in you, dickhead. :cool:

funny how threads end up violently when the title of the thread is somehow for both sides, lol...

:p I guess you are right buddy this **** HEAD is just desperate to post his craps and bull****s because he is jealous and insecure on the attention that Pac is getting . . . poor pathetic guy. :D Look at cheech_TAE's sig . . . obviously this moron wants attention

What a waste of time. :cool:


yes call me all these words and how im a waste of time. dont answer back then. where does jealous and insecure come in and i want attention? i didnt know i was the only one that has a sig with pics lol. obviously i AM getting the attention right? i have a field day with simple minded fellas like u fine people. nuff said.

Its not gonna happen Mr. Pachater :D

But thanks for that great idea....hehehe Morales kissing the canvas pix everywhere.

wow u just thought of that now? well.. i, of course, had to let you know. im not surprised. i know you guys cant think on your own. its ok tho im used to it. i used to work with retarded kids.

wuttever, who cares about spelling nowadays (even more if it's espanol). at least monkeys are only two notches away from humans, unlike the ****roach brain in you, dickhead. :cool:

modern monkeys are 97.8% the same as humans. im not so sure how far back you go.

yes.. 3 on 1. i love it.

wow u just thought of that now? well.. i, of course, had to let you know. im not surprised. i know you guys cant think on your own. its ok tho im used to it. i used to work with retarded kids.


Oh you used to work with retarded? Or you came from that group? No wonder. :D I'm not suprised either. You don't have to explain, the way you alter Pac'S picture clearly answers that question. :p

Oh you used to work with retarded? Or you came from that group? No wonder. :D I'm not suprised either. You don't have to explain, the way you alter Pac'S picture clearly answers that question. :p

actually he was one of those retardates but he managed to escape from the mental asylum and now pretending to be a sane man! he probably missed his buddies so he worked there for a while. :D

actually he was one of those retardates but he managed to escape from the mental asylum and now pretending to be a sane man! he probably missed his buddies so he worked there for a while. :D


im so bored of u and pso already. u just repeat what i say and it dont even make sense. i knew u'd try to crack on me for working with retarded kids. u idiots are so predictable. 97.8% remember that stat. u'll get there in a few million yrs.

wuttever, who cares about spelling nowadays (even more if it's espanol). at least monkeys are only two notches away from humans, unlike the ****roach brain in you, dickhead. :cool:

if u dont care about spelling (especially in spanish) then dont give an attempt. your just proving how much intelligence u lack and ignorance you possess.

im so bored of u and pso already. u just repeat what i say and it dont even make sense. i knew u'd try to crack on me for working with retarded kids. u idiots are so predictable. 97.8% remember that stat. u'll get there in a few million yrs.

remember a ****roach has a tiny brain it has only less than 0.10% of human intelligence. it'll take eternity before you even surpassed a chongo's (monkey's) intelligence!

if u dont care about spelling (especially in spanish) then dont give an attempt. your just proving how much intelligence u lack and ignorance you possess.

an insect never tells a human what he is supposed to do. :D

im so bored of u and pso already. u just repeat what i say and it dont even make sense. i knew u'd try to crack on me for working with retarded kids. u idiots are so predictable. 97.8% remember that stat. u'll get there in a few million yrs.


So bored? Poor you . . . NO WONDER YOU KEEP POSTING CRAPS. :p

Well get some more pictures to alter and add it up to your sig MORON! :D

remember a ****roach has a tiny brain it has only less than 0.10% of human intelligence. it'll take eternity before you even surpassed a chongo's (monkey's) intelligence!


I know! :D But this one amazes me . . . A CROACH who can post and alter a picture?

DAMN, this one should be included in the GUINESS BOOK.

Hey *****, how can you say I don't know ****? Because I don't agree with some of the things some people say. I have an opinion and it's that Pac doesn't have a great chin. How am I moronically stupid? Saying that just makes you sound ignorant, which you probably are.

Because you said that you knew that Pac slipped while all the while he didn't. He was tripped by MAB. MAB stepped on Pac's foot.

This is how moronically stupid you are.

1. First you said that he got knocked down by MAB.
2. Then somebody corrected you by saying that Pac slipped.
3. Then you said that you knew Pac slipped.

So, you don't know **** man!

One thing is certain... In boxing, Pac is the official @$$-kicker of Mexicans and Americans... and they give him millions for doing that...

Mga bobong kano at chicano!!!

yeah thats a nice thread...........but i surely think that pacquiao's hadn speed and punching power will help him win this fight........i say a late round ko or stopage!!!!!!

Because you said that you knew that Pac slipped while all the while he didn't. He was tripped by MAB. MAB stepped on Pac's foot.

This is how moronically stupid you are.

1. First you said that he got knocked down by MAB.
2. Then somebody corrected you by saying that Pac slipped.
3. Then you said that you knew Pac slipped.

So, you don't know **** man!

OK, boy. You want to get personal and talk ****. OK! I can get just as ignorant as you.

On second thought. I don't think I'll waist my time playing with little boys like you. I'm pretty sure your busy playing with yourself anyway.

Hmmmm, looks like I missed the hottest part of the party, or is it just beginning?

Hmmmm, looks like I missed the hottest part of the party, or is it just beginning?
you are just in time bro, and it isn't beginning, it is beginning AGAIN...

OK, boy. You want to get personal and talk ****. OK! I can get just as ignorant as you.

On second thought. I don't think I'll waist my time playing with little boys like you. I'm pretty sure your busy playing with yourself anyway.

It seems you know a lot about him. Why? maybe just looking at an image in the mirror? :D

It seems you know a lot about him. Why? maybe just looking at an image in the mirror? :D

Defend your *****, Bro.

Defend your *****, Bro.
on the red corner, weighing in at 500 pounds, Sister "The Pac Hater" Sledge!!! on the blue corner, weighing so much i can't seem to get a figure, Prof "The Pac Fan" Kadyo!!! lol... prof, joke lang to ha, trip ko lang asarin tong si kumag, hehe...

on the red corner, weighing in at 500 pounds, Sister "The Pac Hater" Sledge!!! on the blue corner, weighing so much i can't seem to get a figure, Prof "The Pac Fan" Kadyo!!! lol... prof, joke lang to ha, trip ko lang asarin tong si kumag, hehe...

I may be only an up and comer now, but I will soon be champ. Talaga!

I may be only an up and comer now, but I will soon be champ. Talaga!
haha! are you a filipina sistah? lol... anyway, check on the Boxing Scene Awards thread at the Boxing Scene LOunge and participate. This will probabaly do more good things for this site. And by the way, maybe you can vote for this thread as the Best Overall Thread of the Month, hehe...

on the red corner, weighing in at 500 pounds, Sister "The Pac Hater" Sledge!!! on the blue corner, weighing so much i can't seem to get a figure, Prof "The Pac Fan" Kadyo!!! lol... prof, joke lang to ha, trip ko lang asarin tong si kumag, hehe...
i bet my points to prof.kadyo lolz.... :D

haha! are you a filipina sistah? lol... anyway, check on the Boxing Scene Awards thread at the Boxing Scene LOunge and participate. This will probabaly do more good things for this site. And by the way, maybe you can vote for this thread as the Best Overall Thread of the Month, hehe...

No. I live in Korea and work for the military. There are a lot of filipina entertainers here and a good-sized filipina community on the base. I've had a few girlfriends and I like your countries culture. I check out the loungs. Peace!

I may be only an up and comer now, but I will soon be champ. Talaga!

Hey sister! Good luck...with whatever you are doing right now... :D

I may be only an up and comer now, but I will soon be champ. Talaga!
hey sister you can change your custom title to buy in what title you want to change...

you must click the above botton Store and then choose custom title and then you know what next :D

hey sister you can change your custom title to buy in what title you want to change...

you must click the above botton Store and then choose custom title and then you know what next :D

Hey! You guys are ganging up on me. That's not fair. I don't care what you guys say; I won't be a nuthugger! But I will say that Manny is a very good fighter. He's just not as good as Morales.

Hey! You guys are ganging up on me. That's not fair. I don't care what you guys say; I won't be a nuthugger! But I will say that Manny is a very good fighter. He's just not as good as Morales.
sorry my lady if you think that i ganging you up...

i want only to help you what title u want to change...

Hey! You guys are ganging up on me. That's not fair. I don't care what you guys say; I won't be a nuthugger! But I will say that Manny is a very good fighter. He's just not as good as Morales.

no,no,no we are not ganging up on you. Morales is a good fighter of course and we will find out how good he is after march 19. Just kindly refrain from trash talk so you won't be trash talked in return. Peace bro sister! :D

U know what i think
Pacquiao will start attackin rite away and that will shock erik like in tha barrera fight then he'll get frustrated cuz pacmans a southpaw, erik's gonna have a long night.
he has been doing this ever since when he started on "Blow by Blow" and the result will also be the same... Morales' face will be destroyed to the ground, his team will be needing a stretcher to carry him out of the ring when he will be knocked out in the first round.

[QUOTE=air_keng]Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible
QUOTE]
CHIN: Morales, more than his ringmanship skills, is known for his chin. For all I know he was never downed before, not the least shaken his legs. Pacquiao's loses were both knockouts; but of course he was still starting then.

Advantage: Morales


CROWD: Pacquiao will be fighting on foreign land, again. Morales, though a Mexican fighter, is well-loved by Americans and undoubtly have more fans there. Crowd support is also a factor in uplifting an athlete's confidence.

Advantage: Morales


It seems like Morales has more advantages than Manny. Yet Manny is used to fighting is this condition where he is the underdog. He likes to be like this. Manny wants to fight without a monkey on his back and with all the expectations on him, Morales will be fighting with more pressure. He lost in his previous fight and he can't lose one fight after the other. Manny will be fighting loose while Morales will be there tight. Morales, in this fight, has everything to lose, while Manny has everything to gain.

I believe that the outcome of this fight will not depend on Manny for we all know he will be there... and he will be there to win. Eric's fate lies on this fight. After losing from a very emotional, heavily-contested championship match, recovery could be hard.

Remember Roy Jones, jr.?

No. I live in Korea and work for the military. There are a lot of filipina entertainers here and a good-sized filipina community on the base. I've had a few girlfriends and I like your countries culture. I check out the loungs. Peace!
hey, my cousins coming home here this feb to get my grandma before she goes to korea. she's also in the u.s. military. maybe you know honey mae osorio?

One thing is certain... In boxing, Pac is the official @$$-kicker of Mexicans and Americans... and they give him millions for doing that...

Mga bobong kano at chicano!!!

here goes the race card.. since when does he only beat mexicans and americans? hope it makes u feel better cuz ur not pacquiao and im not barrera. u can think of what im trying to say.

hey, my cousins coming home here this feb to get my grandma before she goes to korea. she's also in the u.s. military. maybe you know honey mae osorio?

I don't know her. What is she in? Army, Air Force? I'm not military by the way. I'm a civilian.
Your cousin should have a great time. Korea is a nice country and there is a lot of camraderie here.

sorry my lady if you think that i ganging you up...

i want only to help you what title u want to change...

I'm not a lady.

I'm not a lady.
ah ok! sorry bro. just ignored my previous post...

peace :D

So, the sister is not a lady eh? Very interesting. Anyway, a lot have been said, and most of them favoring Morales. Even the bookmakers are now picking Morales 6 to 5. My only wish is for all those who picked Morales to stay around after the fight without changing their handles.

My other wish is for Morales himself to fight Manny so he won't tell us its not me!

So, the sister is not a lady eh? Very interesting. Anyway, a lot have been said, and most of them favoring Morales. Even the bookmakers are now picking Morales 6 to 5. My only wish is for all those who picked Morales to stay around after the fight without changing their handles.

My other wish is for Morales himself to fight Manny so he won't tell us its not me!

It's all good. I'm not knocking Pac, but six pounds is a lot of weight for a little guy, Morales is the bigger fighter and he hits harder than MAB or JMM. Pac is the smaller guy. I know Morales can take Pac's power, but I don't know if Pac can take Erik's power. We shall see

It's all good. I'm not knocking Pac, but six pounds is a lot of weight for a little guy, Morales is the bigger fighter and he hits harder than MAB or JMM. Pac is the smaller guy. I know Morales can take Pac's power, but I don't know if Pac can take Erik's power. We shall see
Pac is to small in that weight but he has a power waiting to explode :D

So, the sister is not a lady eh? Very interesting. Anyway, a lot have been said, and most of them favoring Morales. Even the bookmakers are now picking Morales 6 to 5. My only wish is for all those who picked Morales to stay around after the fight without changing their handles.

My other wish is for Morales himself to fight Manny so he won't tell us its not me!

That weird in my recent poll most are picking Manny to win. My only wish is for all those who picked pacquiao to stay around after the fight period.

My other wish is for pacquiao to ask his wife for a good pair of socks so he dont blame his loss on them, and new pair of underwear so the **** stain dont show through his trunks. :D

That weird in my recent poll most are picking Manny to win. My only wish is for all those who picked pacquiao to stay around after the fight period.

My other wish is for pacquiao to ask his wife for a good pair of socks so he dont blame his loss on them, and new pair of underwear so the **** stain dont show through his trunks. :D

Hay bro, is that really you talking? I have respect for you bro, hope you respect us back. What about a friendly bet?

morales is the bigger man... and i think he will come hungry fighting pac man... but pac will juss use his speed to his advantage to take over morales...

Pac is to small in that weight but he has a power waiting to explode :D

This is like a see-saw. It's too bad the fight is over a month away, because I'd like to get this settled now. I guess well have to wait.

This is like a see-saw. It's too bad the fight is over a month away, because I'd like to get this settled now. I guess well have to wait.
Ok bro. lets see what happened peace :D

That weird in my recent poll most are picking Manny to win. My only wish is for all those who picked pacquiao to stay around after the fight period.

My other wish is for pacquiao to ask his wife for a good pair of socks so he dont blame his loss on them, and new pair of underwear so the **** stain dont show through his trunks. :D

haha what **** stain??

haha what **** stain??

**** i don't know that a roach has the faculty to laugh!

It's all good. I'm not knocking Pac, but six pounds is a lot of weight for a little guy, Morales is the bigger fighter and he hits harder than MAB or JMM. Pac is the smaller guy. I know Morales can take Pac's power, but I don't know if Pac can take Erik's power. We shall see

roach was saying pacquiao's weight wont go heavier than 127.

when pacquiao fought barrera my initial reaction was barrera's too good for pacquiao but i was wrong and look what happened, barrera was demolished! so this time i won't make the same mistake again and will say... morales has never fought anyone as strong as pacquiao. i will be very firm with my prediction now, pacquiao by ko round 7.

by the way, did you get your username from that all girls group in the 80's? they had a hit song here back then, the name of the song was Frankie.

That much weight will not affect him. He will move up a few pounds and carry his power.
Pac has more power
More speed
He is a southpaw

Morales
has more experience
and a better chin

Its gonna be a war :)

Hay bro, is that really you talking? I have respect for you bro, hope you respect us back. What about a friendly bet?

Hey man, nah man im just playing around. A response to Ispayder said. If you look at my post its basically exact same thing he said only i changed a few names and words ;) No disrespect to you or the other pac fans though.

About that friendly bet.. how much we talking about? :D

Hey man, nah man im just playing around. A response to Ispayder said. If you look at my post its basically exact same thing he said only i changed a few names and words ;) No disrespect to you or the other pac fans though.

About that friendly bet.. how much we talking about? :D
Good to hear that friend. What about 50 million? Are you on?

50 it is ;)

I don't know her. What is she in? Army, Air Force? I'm not military by the way. I'm a civilian.
Your cousin should have a great time. Korea is a nice country and there is a lot of camraderie here.
i just hope nothing flares up between the u.s. and north korea, can't remove the fear of losing her... one of my beloved cousins so that's how i feel... and i'm sorry, you posted that you were working for the military, i assumed you were in the military... by the way, she's with the army...

[QUOTE=air_keng]Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible
QUOTE]
CHIN: Morales, more than his ringmanship skills, is known for his chin. For all I know he was never downed before, not the least shaken his legs. Pacquiao's loses were both knockouts; but of course he was still starting then.

Advantage: Morales


CROWD: Pacquiao will be fighting on foreign land, again. Morales, though a Mexican fighter, is well-loved by Americans and undoubtly have more fans there. Crowd support is also a factor in uplifting an athlete's confidence.

Advantage: Morales


It seems like Morales has more advantages than Manny. Yet Manny is used to fighting is this condition where he is the underdog. He likes to be like this. Manny wants to fight without a monkey on his back and with all the expectations on him, Morales will be fighting with more pressure. He lost in his previous fight and he can't lose one fight after the other. Manny will be fighting loose while Morales will be there tight. Morales, in this fight, has everything to lose, while Manny has everything to gain.

I believe that the outcome of this fight will not depend on Manny for we all know he will be there... and he will be there to win. Eric's fate lies on this fight. After losing from a very emotional, heavily-contested championship match, recovery could be hard.

Remember Roy Jones, jr.?
i don't think erik has a distinct advantage with the crowd. if i remember it right, 1/3 of the voting population of the U.S. was composed of filipinos, and manny is also popular to some americans so i guess that isn't really a factor.

50 it is ;)

50 million then. Just remind me okay?

haha what **** stain??
dude, he's just looking for someone to notice him... maybe we can all posts by cheech-tae and let the good natured posting prevail again, oki? potang inang pota yang gagong hayup na yan! patayin na yan! lol...

**** i don't know that a roach has the faculty to laugh!
wrong quoted message, hehe...

dude, he's just looking for someone to notice him... maybe we can ignore all posts by cheech-tae and let the good natured posting prevail again, oki? potang inang pota yang gagong hayup na yan! patayin na yan! lol... (whispering: i think he will defend himself with another "the only one who's posting **** around here is all you pac nuthuggers!" and "i don't know that monkeys can blah blah blah..." same old story...)

50 million then. Just remind me okay?

ok will do. I already put it in my profile page so i can remind myself. Seems like forever till march 19th. Cant wait to see this fight.

ok will do. I already put it in my profile page so i can remind myself. Seems like forever till march 19th. Cant wait to see this fight.
hey ultimate, nice clip on manny and jmm... the beauty of counter-punching, especially in slow-mo...

hey ultimate, nice clip on manny and jmm... the beauty of counter-punching, especially in slow-mo...

Thanks dude. ;)

In my opinion it was the best combination thrown in the fight.

Thanks dude. ;)

In my opinion it was the best combination thrown in the fight.
it could very well be the best combo, just look at how manny's head jerk! just an answer to so many manny knocking down jmm clips outthere. i am a full blooded manny fan, but i really appreciate counter-punching...

wrong quoted message, hehe...

dude, he's just looking for someone to notice him... maybe we can ignore all posts by cheech-tae and let the good natured posting prevail again, oki? potang inang pota yang gagong hayup na yan! patayin na yan! lol... (whispering: i think he will defend himself with another "the only one who's posting **** around here is all you pac nuthuggers!" and "i don't know that monkeys can blah blah blah..." same old story...)

janno talks about roaches all day so ur wrong there AND how was asking a question looking for attention? i didnt say anything wrong and u guys still jumped on me so what does that say about u?

i don't think erik has a distinct advantage with the crowd. if i remember it right, 1/3 of the voting population of the U.S. was composed of filipinos, and manny is also popular to some americans so i guess that isn't really a factor.
now that's something I didnt know :)

read on the first message, hehe... trying to bring this up again...

i just wanna say that Pacman has greater power advantage against El Terrible. Morales never KO MAB in their 3 fights and it is obvious that only the devastating power of pacquiao can bring Barrera on the canvas just like what the Pacman will do to Morales in there March 19 match.

read on the first message, hehe... trying to bring this up again...

PACMAN by 5th round TKO

the referee will stop the fight due to devastating punches thrown at Morales

Morales will be left crying coz he knows his career is already over

hahaha

Since Mauricio doesn't like this kind of threads...Ima BUMP it!! :D

Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible

As much as everybody wants to see the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez rematch, we will rather see a good, if not better, classic match between Erik “El Terrible” Morales and Manny “The Destroyer” Pacquiao.
And as always, every classic battle between 2 of the most exciting fighters of the present time is preceded by much speculation and debate. So toi set things staright, let me sight some pro’s and con’s between these two great athletes.
I have divided this into categories so here goes:

POWER: These two are pretty much at par with regards to punching power. Manny is regarded to have the most devastating killer punch in boxing pound for pound, but on the contrary, he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right. His left is getting so much hype that people tend to underrate the power of his right, which also posseses some power as he displayed in the Barrera fight.
Erik on the other hand, has shown great and balanced punching power in both hands. He can knock opponents out with either hand and does so with tremendous precision and smooth style. Though he does not have that nasty killer blow that Pacquiao has, he greatly makes up for that with some brutal 1-2.

Advantage: DRAW

SPEED: This is quite obvious. With his fast-paced, come-what-may approach, Manny surely wins this category. His handspeed, footwork, bobbing and weaving all complement his attacking style and the early barrage of punches.
Erik is a slow-paced fighter, which may ezplain why he does not have such remarkable handspeed and footwork as Manny does. But it well fits his style of play.

Advantage: MANNY

SIZE AND REACH: Again, this is quite obvious. Erik is going to be the biggest opponent for Manny and may very well be a big factor in the fight. Erik is 2 inches taller than Manny, and has a whopping 4 inch advantage in reach. So this can greatly help the cause of the Mexican sensation.

Advantage: ERIK

ACCURACY: Due mainly to contrast of styles, Erik wins this category by a distance. With his think-now-attack-later approach, he will surely be more accurate in this fight. Manny is usually the aggressor in his fights and will still be in this one so it will probably spell a high number of total punches but very low landing rate.

Advantage: ERIK

STAMINA: This one is a close call. We know both fighters can go the distance. They have been in 10-12 round fights before and made it through. But I have to hand this out to Manny. With all that bobbing and weaving, he displays greater stamina than practically all of the fighters he faced.
Erik also has great stamina, but just like in his two loses to MAB, he tends to show fatigue after he is bombed with a barrage of punches. But this is still a close call.

Advantage: MANNY

EXPERIENCE: Erik’s 3 fights at 130 lbs to Manny’s none. Erik’s 149 championhip rounds to Manny’s 46.Whew! That’s a lot of difference! Experience is backing up Erik’s side without any question. He is more comfortable at the weight class and shown that by being the champion, before losing it to eventual champion, MAB. It will definitely be an advantage for him since he is well adsjusted to the weight class and will need less polishing compared to Pacquiao who is still fighting at 130 lbs for the first time.

Advantage: ERIK

HUNGER: I will have to give this to Erik once more. Coming off a loss, he will surely take it on Manny to regain his rightful place as one of the best, if not the best, featherweight in the world.

Advantage: ERIK

MINDSET: Erik is such an emotional fighter. He looks into battles as something personal and that is something he should win. That explains the hunger he has. But if he is not able to get over the MAB loss and rather take it on Manny, to prove something that he can beat the boxer that beat barrera, then it could a weakness. He displayed that well enough during the Barrera fight, he became too emotional and it became his downfall. Right now, Manny fights for flag and country, and not over some heated rivalry, so I will have to give this to him.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINER: Not that I am too much credit on reputation, but his success and experience speaks for itself. Freddie Roach is undoubtedly the best trainer in boxing industry today and Manny respects him like no other. Having the best trainer surely gives advantage to a fighter.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINING TIME: with both fighters starting early on, they should be in tip-top shape when they face each other.

Advantage: DRAW

Well there you have it guys, a split draw on paper. But certainly hope the real outcome won’t be this way. It should be ERIK or MANNY. No more no less. I just wish all the best of luck to both fighters and to all the fans.
Air Keng's post makes a lot of sense indeed. Just to add...

Morales main trust is his reach and uses it from a distance where he is more dangerous. From my experience of watching Morales' fights, he throws more accurate punches from a distance where he could measure his opponent well. Morales also attacks effectively when you face him with your head down, he could dig you down in volume. On the other hand, when he fights close, the upper cut is his most lethal punch. But what is most admirable on Morales' offensive ability is when he sees an opening and hurt you, he would follow it up with fast combinations and no matter how you counter, he will stay on top of you to continue those volume of punches. Morales connecting punches from a distance and punches coming from the top because he is usually taller than his opponents were always easy for the judges to see, that is why he would usually get a decision. We could readily see such scenario on his victories against the smaller ones like Ayala, Chavez and Hernandez.

For Pacquiao to counter Morales' deadly arsenals, he need lots of head and feet movemen plus good defense, fast hands and staying close to Morales.Pac must make a relentless attack every round to throw off Morales from his rhytm. I usually see Morales having trouble fighting at a close distance especially when his opponent has quicker hands than him. He also has trouble dealing with relentless attacks but never to the body, only to the head. When Morales' engaged with In Jin Chi, the Korean would always force him to engage closer that allowed Chi to connect with clear shots to the head in most rounds, that is the reason why his fight with Chi was really competitve than expected. In his last fight with Barrera, Marco avoided a fight from a distance and would always engage Morales toe-to-toe, even though Morales would always be on top of Barrera up close, Barrera had the quicker hands, that is why Barrera won. One good thing that Pacquiao must do that he could follow from Barrera is that Barrera would first allow Morales to throw his deadly right, upon avoiding Morales' right, Barrera would immediately struck a left hitting Morales defenseless.

I believe with Pacquiao's speed, he could beat Morales better than what Barrera showed. The more danger here for Morales is that Pacquiao has powerful fists than Barrera and more relentless than Barrera. Pacquiao's ability in cutting the ring and speed would force Morales to fight close and toe-to-toe with Pacquiao. Besides, when Morales feels the painful blows of Pacquiao, his Mexican machismo instinct would come out and would really slambang with Pacquiao toe-to-toe, such match for sure would go Pacquiao's way.

I believe Morales has never seen such a fresh yet powerful and faster top opponent than Pacquiao. I never saw Zaragoza, but I saw Morales' fight with Ayala, Barrera, Hernandez, Chi, Espadas twice and Chavez and I could simply say no one comes close to Pac's power and speed. Barrera and Ayala might be more skillful than Pacquiao but Pac is getting more dangerous now with his improving skill that only complements his power and speed.

Since the Manny Pacquiao-Morales Bout is getting closer and closer, I'd like to bring this up again... Any more ideas would be very welcome...

Pacman will KO Morales! Thats the way I see it!

any more outthere???

Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible

As much as everybody wants to see the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez rematch, we will rather see a good, if not better, classic match between Erik “El Terrible” Morales and Manny “The Destroyer” Pacquiao.
And as always, every classic battle between 2 of the most exciting fighters of the present time is preceded by much speculation and debate. So toi set things staright, let me sight some pro’s and con’s between these two great athletes.
I have divided this into categories so here goes:

POWER: These two are pretty much at par with regards to punching power. Manny is regarded to have the most devastating killer punch in boxing pound for pound, but on the contrary, he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right. His left is getting so much hype that people tend to underrate the power of his right, which also posseses some power as he displayed in the Barrera fight.
Erik on the other hand, has shown great and balanced punching power in both hands. He can knock opponents out with either hand and does so with tremendous precision and smooth style. Though he does not have that nasty killer blow that Pacquiao has, he greatly makes up for that with some brutal 1-2.

Advantage: DRAW

SPEED: This is quite obvious. With his fast-paced, come-what-may approach, Manny surely wins this category. His handspeed, footwork, bobbing and weaving all complement his attacking style and the early barrage of punches.
Erik is a slow-paced fighter, which may ezplain why he does not have such remarkable handspeed and footwork as Manny does. But it well fits his style of play.

Advantage: MANNY

SIZE AND REACH: Again, this is quite obvious. Erik is going to be the biggest opponent for Manny and may very well be a big factor in the fight. Erik is 2 inches taller than Manny, and has a whopping 4 inch advantage in reach. So this can greatly help the cause of the Mexican sensation.

Advantage: ERIK

ACCURACY: Due mainly to contrast of styles, Erik wins this category by a distance. With his think-now-attack-later approach, he will surely be more accurate in this fight. Manny is usually the aggressor in his fights and will still be in this one so it will probably spell a high number of total punches but very low landing rate.

Advantage: ERIK

STAMINA: This one is a close call. We know both fighters can go the distance. They have been in 10-12 round fights before and made it through. But I have to hand this out to Manny. With all that bobbing and weaving, he displays greater stamina than practically all of the fighters he faced.
Erik also has great stamina, but just like in his two loses to MAB, he tends to show fatigue after he is bombed with a barrage of punches. But this is still a close call.

Advantage: MANNY

EXPERIENCE: Erik’s 3 fights at 130 lbs to Manny’s none. Erik’s 149 championhip rounds to Manny’s 46.Whew! That’s a lot of difference! Experience is backing up Erik’s side without any question. He is more comfortable at the weight class and shown that by being the champion, before losing it to eventual champion, MAB. It will definitely be an advantage for him since he is well adsjusted to the weight class and will need less polishing compared to Pacquiao who is still fighting at 130 lbs for the first time.

Advantage: ERIK

HUNGER: I will have to give this to Erik once more. Coming off a loss, he will surely take it on Manny to regain his rightful place as one of the best, if not the best, featherweight in the world.

Advantage: ERIK

MINDSET: Erik is such an emotional fighter. He looks into battles as something personal and that is something he should win. That explains the hunger he has. But if he is not able to get over the MAB loss and rather take it on Manny, to prove something that he can beat the boxer that beat barrera, then it could a weakness. He displayed that well enough during the Barrera fight, he became too emotional and it became his downfall. Right now, Manny fights for flag and country, and not over some heated rivalry, so I will have to give this to him.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINER: Not that I am too much credit on reputation, but his success and experience speaks for itself. Freddie Roach is undoubtedly the best trainer in boxing industry today and Manny respects him like no other. Having the best trainer surely gives advantage to a fighter.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINING TIME: with both fighters starting early on, they should be in tip-top shape when they face each other.

Advantage: DRAW

Well there you have it guys, a split draw on paper. But certainly hope the real outcome won’t be this way. It should be ERIK or MANNY. No more no less. I just wish all the best of luck to both fighters and to all the fans.

your thread is graet. except for this part where you're sayin' "he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right (Pacquiao)". maybe we could consider his KO win over Rakkiatgym. it was more of Manny's right that devastated that fighter. it's even right in your signature...

but in general, you got an excellent thread. cheers! :bottle: :) :You_Rock_

your thread is graet. except for this part where you're sayin' "he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right (Pacquiao)". maybe we could consider his KO win over Rakkiatgym. it was more of Manny's right that devastated that fighter. it's even right in your signature...

but in general, you got an excellent thread. cheers! :bottle: :) :You_Rock_

I just want to get more opinons re pros and cons of the forthcoming pac-em fight so the reply! :)

your thread is graet. except for this part where you're sayin' "he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right (Pacquiao)". maybe we could consider his KO win over Rakkiatgym. it was more of Manny's right that devastated that fighter. it's even right in your signature...

but in general, you got an excellent thread. cheers! :bottle: :) :You_Rock_
i made this thread long before i got that .gif on my sig so explains the contradiction... thanks anyway...

I think that morales has a higher chance of winning this fight than Pacquio does. Marquez was knocked down three times in the first round, but after he watched out for the mannys left hand he outboxed manny. I agree that Morales plan should be not to trade,he should use his reach advantage early on and set the tempo. He should win if he just boxes manny. Not to say that manny doesn't have a chance, im sure a lot of people thought he didnt have a chance against barrera. One punch could change everything.

I think that morales has a higher chance of winning this fight than Pacquio does. Marquez was knocked down three times in the first round, but after he watched out for the mannys left hand he outboxed manny. I agree that Morales plan should be not to trade,he should use his reach advantage early on and set the tempo. He should win if he just boxes manny. Not to say that manny doesn't have a chance, im sure a lot of people thought he didnt have a chance against barrera. One punch could change everything.
did Marquez drop or even hurt Pacman? I dont think so...I think Morales will go down! Pacman will win it by 4th round KO or TKO!

Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible

As much as everybody wants to see the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez rematch, we will rather see a good, if not better, classic match between Erik “El Terrible” Morales and Manny “The Destroyer” Pacquiao.
And as always, every classic battle between 2 of the most exciting fighters of the present time is preceded by much speculation and debate. So toi set things staright, let me sight some pro’s and con’s between these two great athletes.
I have divided this into categories so here goes:

POWER: These two are pretty much at par with regards to punching power. Manny is regarded to have the most devastating killer punch in boxing pound for pound, but on the contrary, he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right. His left is getting so much hype that people tend to underrate the power of his right, which also posseses some power as he displayed in the Barrera fight.
Erik on the other hand, has shown great and balanced punching power in both hands. He can knock opponents out with either hand and does so with tremendous precision and smooth style. Though he does not have that nasty killer blow that Pacquiao has, he greatly makes up for that with some brutal 1-2.

Advantage: DRAW

SPEED: This is quite obvious. With his fast-paced, come-what-may approach, Manny surely wins this category. His handspeed, footwork, bobbing and weaving all complement his attacking style and the early barrage of punches.
Erik is a slow-paced fighter, which may ezplain why he does not have such remarkable handspeed and footwork as Manny does. But it well fits his style of play.

Advantage: MANNY

SIZE AND REACH: Again, this is quite obvious. Erik is going to be the biggest opponent for Manny and may very well be a big factor in the fight. Erik is 2 inches taller than Manny, and has a whopping 4 inch advantage in reach. So this can greatly help the cause of the Mexican sensation.

Advantage: ERIK

ACCURACY: Due mainly to contrast of styles, Erik wins this category by a distance. With his think-now-attack-later approach, he will surely be more accurate in this fight. Manny is usually the aggressor in his fights and will still be in this one so it will probably spell a high number of total punches but very low landing rate.

Advantage: ERIK

STAMINA: This one is a close call. We know both fighters can go the distance. They have been in 10-12 round fights before and made it through. But I have to hand this out to Manny. With all that bobbing and weaving, he displays greater stamina than practically all of the fighters he faced.
Erik also has great stamina, but just like in his two loses to MAB, he tends to show fatigue after he is bombed with a barrage of punches. But this is still a close call.

Advantage: MANNY

EXPERIENCE: Erik’s 3 fights at 130 lbs to Manny’s none. Erik’s 149 championhip rounds to Manny’s 46.Whew! That’s a lot of difference! Experience is backing up Erik’s side without any question. He is more comfortable at the weight class and shown that by being the champion, before losing it to eventual champion, MAB. It will definitely be an advantage for him since he is well adsjusted to the weight class and will need less polishing compared to Pacquiao who is still fighting at 130 lbs for the first time.

Advantage: ERIK

HUNGER: I will have to give this to Erik once more. Coming off a loss, he will surely take it on Manny to regain his rightful place as one of the best, if not the best, featherweight in the world.

Advantage: ERIK

MINDSET: Erik is such an emotional fighter. He looks into battles as something personal and that is something he should win. That explains the hunger he has. But if he is not able to get over the MAB loss and rather take it on Manny, to prove something that he can beat the boxer that beat barrera, then it could a weakness. He displayed that well enough during the Barrera fight, he became too emotional and it became his downfall. Right now, Manny fights for flag and country, and not over some heated rivalry, so I will have to give this to him.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINER: Not that I am too much credit on reputation, but his success and experience speaks for itself. Freddie Roach is undoubtedly the best trainer in boxing industry today and Manny respects him like no other. Having the best trainer surely gives advantage to a fighter.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINING TIME: with both fighters starting early on, they should be in tip-top shape when they face each other.

Advantage: DRAW

Well there you have it guys, a split draw on paper. But certainly hope the real outcome won’t be this way. It should be ERIK or MANNY. No more no less. I just wish all the best of luck to both fighters and to all the fans.
nice bro: you evaluate them fairly.
this fight will delivers awesome :boxing: head to head combat. both fighters are hungry for supremacy.... i hope this would not deliver a draw. both fighters are in shape,they had a lot of time in training...there's no excuses in both fighters...good luck and there is only one last man standing.....who it would be? :confused:

nice bro: you evaluate them fairly.
this fight will delivers awesome :boxing: head to head combat. both fighters are hungry for supremacy.... i hope this would not deliver a draw. both fighters are in shape,they had a lot of time in training...there's no excuses in both fighters...good luck and there is only one last man standing.....who it would be? :confused:
thank you for the compliment bombshell... any thoughts on who would win???

I just want to get more opinons re pros and cons of the forthcoming pac-em fight so the reply! :)
well then regarding the pros and cons i guess air_keng had mentioned them very well. i'l just simply go with his objective assessment. :)

i made this thread long before i got that .gif on my sig so explains the contradiction... thanks anyway...
ic. thanks for clearing that out. :)

I think that morales has a higher chance of winning this fight than Pacquio does. Marquez was knocked down three times in the first round, but after he watched out for the mannys left hand he outboxed manny. I agree that Morales plan should be not to trade,he should use his reach advantage early on and set the tempo. He should win if he just boxes manny. Not to say that manny doesn't have a chance, im sure a lot of people thought he didnt have a chance against barrera. One punch could change everything.

EM tried the same thing on MAB. but unfortunately, he failed. its not impossible that Pac will do anything to keep the the brawl in close range. my guess is, it'll be a KO by Pacman in the later rounds. this is coz EM is durable and it'll take time to work the wear and tear by Manny.

I think both have a fair chance.

In this fight i think there will be a different Manny.
He will be more powerful and faster as well as some new tech. he will show.

There is going to be a KO for sure.

As for Morales his style would be the same

This is what I think also. Morales with decent power, decent handspeed, decent footwork has to box and stay in the outside. Morales can never stand up to PAC toe to toe, if he does, he will put himself into a world full of pain.

Morales will be the same come Jan 21. There won't be too much surprises there. He will use his jab, use his size and try to box PAC and fight on the outside. I don't see Morales trying to trade or he will feel it bad.

The real surprise will be on PAC's side. They already know what to expect from Morales and what Morales will bring to them. It's up to PAC is he can avoid the jab using lateral movement. It's up to PAC if he can pursue a consistent body attack. Morales at 130 will mean a thinner Morales at the body section. It's up to PAC if he can set Morales up for steady right hooks and flush uppercuts.

If these are the things which PAC can do, then it will be a very different fight for Morales.

Pac should consistainly move around the ring and use the jab more.

Morals is the type of boxer who like to see a fight in front of him like Raheem fight.

He should take advantge of his(Pac)speed wear down Morals with a Jab and some bodypunch and then go for the kill

it depends on what gameplan pac brings into play.. if its the wrong one i see erik outboxing him.. its very close.. i cant wait till i see the fight..

I like morales better than pac, but i hope pac wins so he can battle it out with barrera.. this division is explosive..