When was the last time you saw a fighter completely dominate a ranked fighter and get a title shot shortly after? The fighters getting title shots all look beatable. Fighters like Meehan, Golata, and McCline all get title shots. This showing may give Brewster or Byrd to look for a rematch with Wlad. Sadly the way to get title shots is too win closely or lose closely. Plan two would be to knock-out a older champ like Holyfield or Tyson. I by no means think Wlad planned this, that would be stupid, but it may very well work out in his favor.

I hope Wladimir gets a rematch soon with Byrd or Brewster. Byrd and Brewster may actually give him a rematch now. It may work in Wladimir's favor. Wladimir is so good to watch. He deserves a rematch. Everyone will want to watch. Wladimir proved today he has heart. He came back so quickly in the same round against a top 15 fighter. I hope he gets a title shot soon.

Wlad would have lost tonight if the fight had gone on. Williamson's plan was working, boring as it was. My opinion of Klitschko was positive even after the Brewster fight, but tonight sealed the deal for me - this guy belongs in 4-rounders like Butterbean, not in world title matches.

I am glad you do not write articles. If you are looking at the Mesi fight in comparison, it is then easy to not be pleased and criticise, you were probably then thinking that a knockout was a must for Wladimir. But, if you realise that Williamson went into the Mesi fight with the wrong strategy, and went into Wladimir's fight with the right strategy of staying away and moving, then you realise that the Mesi fight is not a good judge of Williamson. Wladimir fought a good opponent today. Williamson is a top 15 fighter, and he has a big punch. He is tall and moves quickly for his size. Williamson is better than Brewster. Toney should fight Williamson next. Let us see how Toney fairs against Williamson. Wladimir showed great heart today, coming back very quickly against a top 15 fighter. Wladimir was not even his best, and yet still won against a top 15 fighter with a big punch. It should have been a unanimous decision. Wladimir showed great stamina too.

Well it all about politic and to be honest this fight will not help Wlad as he is still a threat to any champion and currently his stocks are down. He needs to fight a top 10 and go back to his orginal trainer. Williamson is a good fighter and credit is well deserved for the win for Wlad.

After he went down he did not fold, he actually went after Williamson even harder which prompted two judges to call it a 10-9 round instead of a 10-8. Williamson played it smart in this fight, after he saw that Wlad came back at him late in the 4th he stayed away from Wlad in the 5th until the bell when he headbutted Wlad.

Wlad did not look astonishing, but dont overlook the fact he got the job done. He may not have looked as superior as he should have been he did what he had to. I was suprised that after he got knocked down he went right after williamson. Wlad destroys Brewster or Byrd if he gets rematches. Bottom line.

considering that Wlad was the only one to actually go down during the fight, and on my card (I know, it doesnt count) I gave Williamson the last 2 round's, I think Wlad was very lucky indeed that it got stopped when it did. Does anyone else see the irony here? All the Klit fan's said that if the Lewis-Klitschko fight hadnt been stopped cause of the cut, Vitali would have won ( I disagree) seem's like the exact same could possibly be said for his bro.

I am sure HBO will be contacting you to replace Harold Lederman any decade now......better sharpen your crayons.

Wlad would have lost tonight if the fight had gone on. Williamson's plan was working, boring as it was. My opinion of Klitschko was positive even after the Brewster fight, but tonight sealed the deal for me - this guy belongs in 4-rounders like Butterbean, not in world title matches.

What are you talking about. He wasn't tiring at all.

considering that Wlad was the only one to actually go down during the fight, and on my card (I know, it doesnt count) I gave Williamson the last 2 round's, I think Wlad was very lucky indeed that it got stopped when it did. Does anyone else see the irony here? All the Klit fan's said that if the Lewis-Klitschko fight hadnt been stopped cause of the cut, Vitali would have won ( I disagree) seem's like the exact same could possibly be said for his bro.

Well that's not surprising. Keep on hating.

She is biased against ejumahkayted menfolk.....

What are you talking about. He wasn't tiring at all.


NO? Someone should tell him that breathing through his mouth unnecessairly can get his jaw broken and gives off the false impression that he is a bit tired. :rolleyes:

NO? Someone should tell him that breathing through his mouth unnecessairly can get his jaw broken and gives off the false impression that he is a bit tired. :rolleyes:

Apparently you missed the fact that he had a nose bleed right before the fight. Please keep on hating.

What are you talking about. He wasn't tiring at all.

He was breathing out of his mouth at the end of the first round.

He was breathing out of his mouth at the end of the first round.

See above post. Do you people even listen to what's going on during the fight.

See above post. Do you people even listen to what's going on during the fight.

Sorry Mr. Bias, but that nosebleed didnt start til after the fight got going...but any excuse will do, huh? Pathetic

By the way, you havent excused the knockdown yet...please, I cant wait to hear this

considering that Wlad was the only one to actually go down during the fight, and on my card (I know, it doesnt count) I gave Williamson the last 2 round's, I think Wlad was very lucky indeed that it got stopped when it did. Does anyone else see the irony here? All the Klit fan's said that if the Lewis-Klitschko fight hadnt been stopped cause of the cut, Vitali would have won ( I disagree) seem's like the exact same could possibly be said for his bro.


I see no Irony at all. I like most Wlad fans wanted the fight that he was dominating for all but a few seconds of, to continue. Wlad was not fading or showing that he was losing pop on his punches. The stop hurt Wlad more than it hurt Williamson. Williamson was expected to get knocked out, yet he survived for 5 rounds by running and holding his guard high.

Sorry Mr. Bias, but that nosebleed didnt start til after the fight got going...but any excuse will do, huh? Pathetic

By the way, you havent excused the knockdown yet...please, I cant wait to hear this

Keep on hating, now the Showtime crew is lying. When they were talking about the nosebleed BEFORE the fight even started. You are really amazing. Where does all of this hate come from?

Sorry Mr. Bias, but that nosebleed didnt start til after the fight got going...but any excuse will do, huh? Pathetic

By the way, you havent excused the knockdown yet...please, I cant wait to hear this

No he is right here. There was talk of a nose bleed before the fight even started. He was not being biased, just stating a fact.

She was still running her hijack wire over from her neighbour's cable hook-up...she missed that part.

No he is right here. There was talk of a nose bleed before the fight even started. He was not being biased, just stating a fact.

Okay, I'll accept that. But, anything else he say's I just cant take seriously cause he cant be objective at all.

Ware wuz u skooled?

Keep trying jackass; apparently you don't even know when you're being ignored.

Somebody is in dire need of Summer's Eve......

I am so happy Wladimir won. I am enjoying his victory. I am not insulting other people or their fighters while I am enjoying this. I don't ever want to insult other fighters and their fans. I am not like that. I only want to talk about Wladimir and enjoy his victory. But, I have noticed there are people on this forum that I think do not want me to enjoy Wladimir's victory. They want to insult Wladimir and his victory, and make it seem there really was no victory and nothing to be happy about. I am happy and I feel very good. Wladimir won yesterday! He won it fair, it was not given to him. He beat a good fighter, Williamson is a top 15 fighter with a big punch. Williamson is better than Brewster and Ruiz. Wladimir showed he has great heart when he came back so quickly in the same round against a top 15 fighter. I am enjoying Wladimir's victory, and no one can take this joy from me. Wladimir will be champion.

I am so happy Wladimir won. I am enjoying his victory. I am not insulting other people or their fighters while I am enjoying this. I don't ever want to insult other fighters and their fans. I am not like that. I only want to talk about Wladimir and enjoy his victory. But, I have noticed there are people on this forum that I think do not want me to enjoy Wladimir's victory. They want to insult Wladimir and his victory, and make it seem there really was no victory and nothing to be happy about. I am happy and I feel very good. Wladimir won yesterday! He won it fair, it was not given to him. He beat a good fighter, Williamson is a top 15 fighter with a big punch. Williamson is better than Brewster and Ruiz. Wladimir showed he has great heart when he came back so quickly in the same round against a top 15 fighter. I am enjoying Wladimir's victory, and no one can take this joy from me. Wladimir will be champion.


I wouldnt want to say anything to ruin this victory for any fan; especially a female fan. I'd not want to do anything to turn any fan off of the sport. However, I will stick up for myself with facts when I'm told repeatedly that I hate someone (which I dont) and that I cant score a fight because of that hatred. That is what this forum is for; debating fights and boxers in general. I'm not trying to spoil it for you and I really hope you dont think I am. I was simply posting my opinion, but not just to upset Wlad's fan base. Just doing what posters do; post. :)

I am glad you do not write articles. If you are looking at the Mesi fight in comparison, it is then easy to not be pleased and criticise, you were probably then thinking that a knockout was a must for Wladimir. But, if you realise that Williamson went into the Mesi fight with the wrong strategy, and went into Wladimir's fight with the right strategy of staying away and moving, then you realise that the Mesi fight is not a good judge of Williamson. Wladimir fought a good opponent today. Williamson is a top 15 fighter, and he has a big punch. He is tall and moves quickly for his size. Williamson is better than Brewster. Toney should fight Williamson next. Let us see how Toney fairs against Williamson. Wladimir showed great heart today, coming back very quickly against a top 15 fighter. Wladimir was not even his best, and yet still won against a top 15 fighter with a big punch. It should have been a unanimous decision. Wladimir showed great stamina too.

winter did you write that article or someone else from your family???
I sometimes notice that some of your posts are written very differently to others :confused:

See, this is where you get silly and show that all of your protesting about not being a hater becomes a major joke. Williamson winning the 5th?? Come on Tracylee, your the biggest hater ever. And no, I'm not trying to tell you how you feel, I'm telling you what you say and imply with every post about Wlad and Vit. Don't even try to say your not a hater after the bull**** your spout. You should worry more about The Vols season going up in smoke than sitting around thinking of ways to defend your hate for the Klits. I would have much more respect for you if you would just come out and say "yeah I hate em and I hope they lose every fight and my opinion of their fights will always be biased".

She was still running her hijack wire over from her neighbour's cable hook-up...she missed that part.


....lol lol lol That's damn funny!!!! I can see the whole thing going down now.

Enjoy the victory Winter. Wlad is my favorite fighter and i get a lot of bullsh** for it. Good Job Wlad

How could anyone have scored a round for Williamson in which he did almost nothing? I mean yeah, it was a little boring, but Wlad was trying to initiate something at least. And yes it was technically a knockdown, but it wasn't one where he was hurt or anything, and if he would stop lunging with that right so much, that problem would be alleviated.

How could anyone have scored a round for Williamson in which he did almost nothing? I mean yeah, it was a little boring, but Wlad was trying to initiate something at least. And yes it was technically a knockdown, but it wasn't one where he was hurt or anything, and if he would stop lunging with that right so much, that problem would be alleviated.

Yeah it seems like he was throwing way too many hooks against Brewster and way too many rights against Williamson. He really needs to mix it up better.

See, this is where you get silly and show that all of your protesting about not being a hater becomes a major joke. Williamson winning the 5th?? Come on Tracylee, your the biggest hater ever. And no, I'm not trying to tell you how you feel, I'm telling you what you say and imply with every post about Wlad and Vit. Don't even try to say your not a hater after the bull**** your spout. You should worry more about The Vols season going up in smoke than sitting around thinking of ways to defend your hate for the Klits. I would have much more respect for you if you would just come out and say "yeah I hate em and I hope they lose every fight and my opinion of their fights will always be biased".

He did more than Wlad did in that round in my opinion. Call it whatever you want; only a jerk would be so insulting while trying to make a point ( the Vos' up in smoke?)..
I'll debate with just about anyone, but I will not debate with complete dickheads.
You'd respect me if...? Please, dont bother. Youre getting none from me anyway just because you cant make a point without being a pig. I dont want your respect, thank you.

She was still running her hijack wire over from her neighbour's cable hook-up...she missed that part.


....lol lol lol That's damn funny!!!! I can see the whole thing going down now.

That's because youre in the same class as he is. NO CLASS at all. My cable is legal and expensive; not that it's any of your business. Get a life

He did more than Wlad did in that round in my opinion. Call it whatever you want; only a jerk would be so insulting while trying to make a point ( the Vos' up in smoke?)..
I'll debate with just about anyone, but I will not debate with complete dickheads.
You'd respect me if...? Please, dont bother. Youre getting none from me anyway just because you cant make a point without being a pig. I dont want your respect, thank you.

You really need to watch more boxing then.

*rolleyes*

You really need to watch more boxing then.

Sure, and you need to remove your head from Wlad's ass. when you finish, you need to go and judge a few more people too. ( Like Wlad did anything in that round himself ! ) :rolleyes:

Sure, and you need to remove your head from Wlad's ass. when you finish, you need to go and judge a few more people too. ( Like Wlad did anything in that round himself ! ) :rolleyes:

He probably outlanded him 2-1 at the least. As for the rest of your post...Ouch talking about Klitschko fans offending you, and then you talk like that. Shame on you.

He probably outlanded him 2-1 at the least. As for the rest of your post...Ouch talking about Klitschko fans offending you, and then you talk like that. Shame on you.

Oh, so when the judgemental Torino and the rest of the gang insult me I'm supposed to just lay down and take it?? Dont think so. That is the way you guy's like it; you can critize any fighter or poster, but when a poster critizes you or your fighter its all hell (you hate him, you hate him, I KNOW it!!!!) right? It doesnt work that way

Tracylee, if you do not mind telling, who were you rooting for, Wladimir or Williamson? I was rooting for Wladimir.

Oh, so when the judgemental Torino and the rest of the gang insult me I'm supposed to just lay down and take it?? Dont think so. That is the way you guy's like it; you can critize any fighter or poster, but when a poster critizes you or your fighter its all hell (you hate him, you hate him, I KNOW it!!!!) right? It doesnt work that way

That's not exactly true. The only time I called you a hater was when you were saying that Manny is only training Wlad for the money.

Tracylee, if you do not mind telling, who were you rooting for, Wladimir or Williamson? I was rooting for Wladimir.

I dont mind at all Winter (your rational). I wasnt rooting for either. Neither of them are on my favorite list, and I like it (occasionally) when its that way cause then I know I'm scoring it as objectively as I can and I'm never disappointed with the outcome. But, there is nothing like rooting for your favotite sometimes!! :)

That's not exactly true. The only time I called you a hater was when you were saying that Manny is only training Wlad for the money.

That is not exactly true. How about the "you MUST hate him if you scored it a draw", and a few more...(dont forget all the little 'thrown in' "keep hating")

I dont mind at all Winter (your rational). I wasnt rooting for either. Neither of them are on my favorite list, and I like it (occasionally) when its that way cause then I know I'm scoring it as objectively as I can and I'm never disappointed with the outcome. But, there is nothing like rooting for your favotite sometimes!! :)

Yes Tracylee. You are right. There is nothing like rooting for your favorite! I was so nervous, and I was jumping up and down rooting for Wladimir! What is your favorite?

Yes Tracylee. You are right. There is nothing like rooting for your favorite! I was so nervous, and I was jumping up and down rooting for Wladimir! What is your favorite?

If only for you I'm glad Wlad won...it really made no difference to me. Sometimes I can enjoy a fight even more that way cause theres no nerves-anxiety over it...but then again, that's half the fun! :D

My 'always will be favorite' is Holyfield (although for obvious health reasons it wouldnt bother me one bit if he retired). Arturo Gatti is also one of my fav's. I have many that I really, really like for many different reasons, but Gatti is definately my favorite "active" fighter! See, I have many "likes" and many "dislikes" but honestly only two true "hates".

who is the other one tracy? i know you hate jones

who is the other one tracy? i know you hate jones


I just love you people....where would I be without you telling me what I feel? Garrett, you know better; weve discussed this before. I dont hate Jones. I despise James Toney and Pig Mayorga...betcha didnt see that coming!! Ha! :p

who is the other one tracy? i know you hate jones

Hey Garrett, I donated enough to get you out of the (red) negative.......and youre welcome! :p