Let me just say that if Lennox Lewis comes out of his brief retirement to fight WBC Champ Vitali Klitschko, nobody will have been more wrong than me! If Lewis fights Klitschko, I will have completely misjudged him. I for one felt that Lewis got out of boxing at the perfect time. He is one of the few heavyweight champions who came out on top in every way possible. I really believed and thought he was different then the others and could resist the lies that his healed body and mind are whispering to him. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=535)]

Maybe something inside his retired body is itching and only another fight can satisfy him. It happens all the time to all great fighters so it would'nt be surprising if he does.

I agree...and the 6M US$ makes the itch more difficult to ignore...he has to scratch it. :)

itch or no itch, this is a non-sense fight for him... $6M is cheap considering how much he has right now... i don't think pride is on the line either since he beat vitali convincingly, and proved to be too much for him... so why take the fight? money? i don't think so. he's so damn rich to think of the money this time... pride? nope. you beat him before and will probably beat him again. just for the fun of it? come on lennox, jordan almost lost the title of the all-time highest scoring average when he came back, when he should have not, somehow lowered his status upon his exit. so i agree, don't do it...

Lewis is a little ***** if he doesn't come out to fight VK. Everyone knows he retired after their last fight to duck a rematch. Until he steps up to honor a rematch he's just a little ***** and has no legacy whatsoever. And he won't, so don't bother waiting for the girlscout.

I agree...and the 6M US$ makes the itch more difficult to ignore...he has to scratch it. :)

$6 million?? The article says 30-40 million: that would easily motivate someone to come out of retirement.

i don't think pride is on the line either since he beat vitali convincingly, and proved to be too much for him... ...

interesting opinion...

I just wish we could take a closer look at what actually cut VK's eye... too bad I don't have the video.

Either way, it's up to LL if he truly wants to come back or not.. just like questioning VK and his giving up against Byrd, no one can judge his actions, as no one is in HIS SHOES... so same with LL..
we'll see ..
:D

I hope he gets KO'd by VK.

Call Lennox out, call him a *****, say he's got no legacy, but please don't say he's got anything to prove against Vitali.

Put any two guys in the ring and give one of them that same cut. The fight ends with a TKO. It might not be satisfying, but it's the right decision.

I just watched the video again today and still have Vitaly up 5 rounds to 1 at the stoppage. Lennox easily won Round 3, but Vit was busier in all other rounds and was consistently landing. Lennox got almost all the power shots in this fight, but they were limited. Sure Lennox almost decapitated Vitali, but then Vitaly took that round also by being busier and connecting, even though china-chinned Lennox kept coming forward.

By the way, the replay shows a very clean right hand ripped opened Vitali's eye and the blood was freely flowing immediately after contact. In the same round, Lennox jabs the left side of Vit's head very effectively. In the following round though, Lennox does push Vitali back using the palm side of his wrist aginst Vit's head. Lennox also continued in all rounds to rub his head on Vit's left side, whenever they clinched. Despite the palming and head grinding, it was a classic Lennox right hand that ripped his head open. If Vitali had not been moxing backward when Lennox connected, the cut probably would have been from his eye to his chin.

Sure it was ****ty showing (overall) by Lennox, but he did bust up Viali to the point where the fight was rightfully stopped.

Sorry Frank, going out at the perfect time for Lewis would have been after the Tyson fight. The last time I checked a grazing blow is not the same thing as a solid punch. Once again another so so article from Frank. Keep up the bad work.

Lewis is a little ***** if he doesn't come out to fight VK. Everyone knows he retired after their last fight to duck a rematch. Until he steps up to honor a rematch he's just a little ***** and has no legacy whatsoever. And he won't, so don't bother waiting for the girlscout.

Thats bull****.."everybody knows"..speak for yourself. Lennox has nothing to prove to a great deal of us although I'd love for him to whip Vitali's ass just one more time and shut people like you up..next time you feel like speaking for the general public, dont!

I'd love for him to whip Vitali's ass just one more time ....

Serious question Tracylee, really. When you say whip ass one more time, did you see Lennox doing that in fight #1? Or, are you simply refering to Lennox's win?

If I hadn't watched the fight, but got a glimpse of the fighters at the end of the 5th or 6th round, I'd say Lennox musta' whipped Vit's ass! But, having watched the entire fight more than a couple times, while trying to keep an unbiased scorecard, I figure Vitali assumed the "ass whooper" role, even in losing.

Did you see it alot closer?

By the way, I'm not a Vit hater. Although I was hoping to see Lennox cement his legacy with a decisive win. I've just recently seen this fight for the first time and have been watched it fours times trying to better understand the different views that have been represented during the many months since the fight.

Lewis is a little ***** ... Everyone knows he retired after their last fight to duck a rematch ... has no legacy whatsoever.

Thanks for your view and welcome to Boxingscene.

In case you haven't noticed yet, this is a boxing forum. The people who contribute are generally quite knowledgeable on the topics of boxing and boxers. Most posters seem to accept that they know less than others, and possibly more than some.

On the issue of Lennox's legacy and retirement, you clearly fall into the "know practically nothing about boxing" category. Unless, of course, you'd like to offer something more?

The purse involved will be the only deciding factor whether Lennox returns or not.

If he does, with VK, it would again be anybody's ballgame, just like the first fight. I think they're the most evenly matched heavyweight pair in a long time - same height, built, skills, power. :cool:

The purse involved will be the only deciding factor whether Lennox returns or not.

If he does, with VK, it would again be anybody's ballgame, just like the first fight. I think they're the most evenly matched heavyweight pair in a long time - same height, built, skills, power. :cool:

Anybody's ballgame? I don't think too many people would pick Lewis to win the rematch.

Thats bull****.."everybody knows"..speak for yourself. Lennox has nothing to prove to a great deal of us although I'd love for him to whip Vitali's ass just one more time and shut people like you up..next time you feel like speaking for the general public, dont!

I also am confused by your use of the phrase "whip Vitali's ass just one more time".

common sense says lennox coming back is stupid, but he kinda left things unsettled between him and vitali klitchko after he promised to give klitchko a rematch after their first fight.

Serious question Tracylee, really. When you say whip ass one more time, did you see Lennox doing that in fight #1? Or, are you simply refering to Lennox's win?

If I hadn't watched the fight, but got a glimpse of the fighters at the end of the 5th or 6th round, I'd say Lennox musta' whipped Vit's ass! But, having watched the entire fight more than a couple times, while trying to keep an unbiased scorecard, I figure Vitali assumed the "ass whooper" role, even in losing.

Did you see it alot closer?

By the way, I'm not a Vit hater. Although I was hoping to see Lennox cement his legacy with a decisive win. I've just recently seen this fight for the first time and have been watched it fours times trying to better understand the different views that have been represented during the many months since the fight.

I honestly think that Lennox was well on the way to knocking him out when the fight was stopped. I've been called stupid, spouseless, and dragged thru the mud for that opinion, but I stand by it anyway! Vitali was lucky that his eye was in such bad shape, and a win is a win..if Vitali had won under the same circumstances, I'm sure I wouldnt keep reading all the crap about "unclean punch" and tape, etc. ;) The win would have been more than good enough for Klit fans, but somehow it falls short in their eyes when Lewis is the one that got the W!

I also am confused by your use of the phrase "whip Vitali's ass just one more time".

NO youre not..you and I have "hashed" this one out til its a dead horse, and I wont go there again. You know my opinion on this so you must be wanting to restart the whole argument again..look elsewhere for that ok..cause I'm not interested

..if Vitali had won under the same circumstances, I'm sure I wouldnt keep reading all the crap about "unclean punch" and tape, etc. ;) The win would have been more than good enough for Klit fans, but somehow it falls short in their eyes when Lewis is the one that got the W!

Truth is truth.. I have no reason to fight truth, only to defend it. If that situation was presented and clearly visible for any other figher, than it would be supported and observed as truth.

Truth is truth.. I have no reason to fight truth, only to defend it. If that situation was presented and clearly visible for any other figher, than it would be supported and observed as truth.

I'm not usually so "slow" when it comes to getting someones point, but honestly I'm having trouble figuring out if youre agreeing with my comment or disagreeing?? :confused:

you were blasting a previous concept that I have felt since the fight and championed on this forum, and that is that the severe injury that cut VK's eye was not a clean punch... I've been trying to get ahold of the fight to watch closer and pull the clip from it. If it were just a glancing blow where the glove grazed VK, then that could still be considered a punch... but if it were the tape or another portion of the glove, then there could possibly be the arguement of incidental stoppage, that would go to the cards..

it's obviously way late and quite irrelevant at this point, I was just defending what I saw.. both in the fight and in your post.

:)
sorry for the confusion.

you were blasting a previous concept that I have felt since the fight and championed on this forum, and that is that the severe injury that cut VK's eye was not a clean punch... I've been trying to get ahold of the fight to watch closer and pull the clip from it. If it were just a glancing blow where the glove grazed VK, then that could still be considered a punch... but if it were the tape or another portion of the glove, then there could possibly be the arguement of incidental stoppage, that would go to the cards..

it's obviously way late and quite irrelevant at this point, I was just defending what I saw.. both in the fight and in your post.

:)
sorry for the confusion.

Regardless, if the win had been with Vitali under the same circumstances then there wouldnt be all this talk of unclean blows and tape. I believe that the cut was caused more from the power that Lewis possesses in his right hand than any tape. Their hands are taped by pro's to avoid that type of thing, but I'm also very use to Klit fans making it out to be anything other than Lennox delivering hard punches. Nothing new there :rolleyes: I just dont see 'tape' doing the amount of damage that was done to Vitalis eye..he had to have reconstructive surgery on it and I just wont contribute that to a piece of tape!

Regardless, if the win had been with Vitali under the same circumstances then there wouldnt be all this talk of unclean blows and tape. I believe that the cut was caused more from the power that Lewis possesses in his right hand than any tape. Their hands are taped by pro's to avoid that type of thing, but I'm also very use to Klit fans making it out to be anything other than Lennox delivering hard punches. Nothing new there :rolleyes: I just dont see 'tape' doing the amount of damage that was done to Vitalis eye..he had to have reconstructive surgery on it and I just wont contribute that to a piece of tape!

you must think i'm an ignorant pompous fool. Like i said above, I have no reason not to support truth. so what you replied is really worthless. whatever truly happened is truth, whom it happened to is irrelevant, if it was from LL' immense power, so be it. I just didn't think it was power that cut skin.

you must think i'm an ignorant pompous fool. Like i said above, I have no reason not to support truth. so what you replied is really worthless. whatever truly happened is truth, whom it happened to is irrelevant, if it was from LL' immense power, so be it. I just didn't think it was power that cut skin.

Actually, I didnt think anything of the kind...if anything I thought you might be yet another Klit fan. And, far as I know, nothing anybody posts here is worthless..so I'm real sorry if my opinion doesnt rank real high with you :rolleyes: but I'll recover from that soon enough.
considering that there is bone under that skin, sure a good, strong blow can and will cut the skin..just ask Gatti, who sports more cuts than any fighter alive or had one hell of a run in with some tape on a regular basis.
You dont have to like or agree with my opinion, but you dont have to be a jerk and call it worthless either.
Opinions are like *******s..everyone has one and you can post yours without being one, you know.

NO youre not..you and I have "hashed" this one out til its a dead horse, and I wont go there again. You know my opinion on this so you must be wanting to restart the whole argument again..look elsewhere for that ok..cause I'm not interested

Next time just post this instead:

http://www.moragalleries.com.au/seastaugh/white_flag.jpg

Actually, I didnt think anything of the kind...if anything I thought you might be yet another Klit fan. And, far as I know, nothing anybody posts here is worthless..so I'm real sorry if my opinion doesnt rank real high with you :rolleyes: but I'll recover from that soon enough.
considering that there is bone under that skin, sure a good, strong blow can and will cut the skin..just ask Gatti, who sports more cuts than any fighter alive or had one hell of a run in with some tape on a regular basis.
You dont have to like or agree with my opinion, but you dont have to be a jerk and call it worthless either.
Opinions are like *******s..everyone has one and you can post yours without being one, you know.

I'm sorry if I came off that rude. Yes, I am a Klitschko fan, sorry to dissapoint you :) I was just suggesting that you had replied in a way that seemingly missed what I had already said.. that truth is truth and that if it happened to Lenox Lewis instead, I have no reason to defy truth. If presented, truth will stand for itself. I just didn't appreciate how it seemed you inferred that I would just be pompous and ignore truth if it happened to be on the side of LL not VK, that's all.
:)

Next time just post this instead:

http://www.moragalleries.com.au/seastaugh/white_flag.jpg

Never happen..see, in order for me to surrender, I would have to think that you might be right. There is one hell of a difference in me thinking that and me refusing to bang my head against that oh so familiar wall. But, if it makes you feel better to think that I would actually surrender to your way of thinking (the most rediculous thing I've read so far..just ask anyone here that knows me) then you go right ahead and think that..and pat yourself on the back while youre at it. I mean, you have convinced yourself that Lennox not only lost to Vitali, but is afraid of him..so you making the leap from that to me surrendering isnt so hard to imagine. Just shows that you didnt learn anything about me from all the debates we had in the past.

I'm sorry if I came off that rude. Yes, I am a Klitschko fan, sorry to dissapoint you :) I was just suggesting that you had replied in a way that seemingly missed what I had already said.. that truth is truth and that if it happened to Lenox Lewis instead, I have no reason to defy truth. If presented, truth will stand for itself. I just didn't appreciate how it seemed you inferred that I would just be pompous and ignore truth if it happened to be on the side of LL not VK, that's all.
:)

I'm still not certain what youre trying to say here. I dont think youre pompous..and I'm not disappointed that youre a Klit fan..I actually could care less who you like.
My only point was that if it had been Vitali that won under those circumstances, his fans would have been more than happy and supportive of the win..and I stand by that.
Not sure how we're completely "missing" each other here....or what you mean by 'truth', etc. All I know is there is always a good excuse for Vitali's losses, and I'm sure a victory is a good, well earned one for him no matter how it happens..the same does not apply to Lennox, not where Klit fans are concerned.
Some of them act like theres some shame in winning a fight on cuts, and/or he is a dirty fighter for working the cut...give me the name of just one fighter that wouldnt do that.

My only point was that if it had been Vitali that won under those circumstances, his fans would have been more than happy and supportive of the win..and I stand by that.
Not sure how we're completely "missing" each other here....or what you mean by 'truth', etc. All I know is there is always a good excuse for Vitali's losses, and I'm sure a victory is a good, well earned one for him no matter how it happens..the same does not apply to Lennox, not where Klit fans are concerned.
Some of them act like theres some shame in winning a fight on cuts, and/or he is a dirty fighter for working the cut...give me the name of just one fighter that wouldnt do that.

we would all prefer to see VK either get KO'd or KO someone... with less decisive outcomes (a cut is still a cut and a viable way to win and exposing a cut is every fighter's right and every cutman's job to prevent) it leaves a craving to see a decisive outcome. If LL KO'd VK, then there would be no room for the passionate Klit fans to argue (at least reasonably with some sort of ground to stand on)

I'm talking "truth" meaning that no matter what fans claimed what, opinion is instilled in there... with facts, truth stands and cannot be argued, that's all i meant regarding that.

Pno .... such a big Klit fan and never seen the fight!

Well, I just saw the fight for the first time this week and watched it four times within a couple days. Your guy Klit was busier and more accurate than Lewis, so he was winning rounds for that simple reason. I gave him 4 or 5 rounds at the stoppage.

Trouble is Vitali only landed a couple real power shots over six rounds. Round 3 Lewis landed a classic Lennox right hand (clean) that exploded Vit's eye. Immediately after the shot the guys clinched and you can see the blood flowly very nicely from the eye area. No laces, no palm, no forearm, nothing but padded glove broke him wide open. Vitali didn't respond very well to that shot, but Lennox did. Lewis focussed with sharp jabs right on that eye throughout the round. Sure the cut got worse over the remaining three rounds, but the real damage was done in Round 3.

The very bad cut = TKO. That's boxing for you. No haters there.

Pno .... such a big Klit fan and never seen the fight!

Well, I just saw the fight for the first time this week and watched it four times within a couple days. Your guy Klit was busier and more accurate than Lewis, so he was winning rounds for that simple reason. I gave him 4 or 5 rounds at the stoppage.

Trouble is Vitali only landed a couple real power shots over six rounds. Round 3 Lewis landed a classic Lennox right hand (clean) that exploded Vit's eye. Immediately after the shot the guys clinched and you can see the blood flowly very nicely from the eye area. No laces, no palm, no forearm, nothing but padded glove broke him wide open. Vitali didn't respond very well to that shot, but Lennox did. Lewis focussed with sharp jabs right on that eye throughout the round. Sure the cut got worse over the remaining three rounds, but the real damage was done in Round 3.

The very bad cut = TKO. That's boxing for you. No haters there.

I saw the fight twice back when it aired. I thought I remembered it a certain way, but I wanted to see it again to verify...
:D

Pno .... such a big Klit fan and never seen the fight!

Well, I just saw the fight for the first time this week and watched it four times within a couple days. Your guy Klit was busier and more accurate than Lewis, so he was winning rounds for that simple reason. I gave him 4 or 5 rounds at the stoppage.

Trouble is Vitali only landed a couple real power shots over six rounds. Round 3 Lewis landed a classic Lennox right hand (clean) that exploded Vit's eye. Immediately after the shot the guys clinched and you can see the blood flowly very nicely from the eye area. No laces, no palm, no forearm, nothing but padded glove broke him wide open. Vitali didn't respond very well to that shot, but Lennox did. Lewis focussed with sharp jabs right on that eye throughout the round. Sure the cut got worse over the remaining three rounds, but the real damage was done in Round 3.

The very bad cut = TKO. That's boxing for you. No haters there.
dude, i am also a klit fan, ow sorry, wrong spelling, that should be clit, haha! i am a CLIT fan! anyway, save the heavyweight division! lennox do it! but VK-toney should be fine, hehe...

[/B]Dont be stupid the cut was not caused by a punch it was a headbutt klitschko said it and i saw it.

[/B]Dont be stupid the cut was not caused by a punch it was a headbutt klitschko said it and i saw it.

Stupid? I'm just telling it like I saw it. A huge right hand that brought instant gushing in the clinch that followed. Very simple.

Stupid is more like ..... agressive name-calling without providing anything to back yourself up! Oh, excuse me, I forgot, you Klit fans just need to hear Klit say it was a headbutt and your'e convinced? Klit might have been confused regarding what he "saw" also, since he had a big flap of meat blocking his view.

Name the round and time and I'll post it in this thread.

Stupid? I'm just telling it like I saw it. A huge right hand that brought instant gushing in the clinch that followed. Very simple.

Stupid is more like ..... agressive name-calling without providing anything to back yourself up! Oh, excuse me, I forgot, you Klit fans just need to hear Klit say it was a headbutt and your'e convinced? Klit might have been confused regarding what he "saw" also, since he had a big flap of meat blocking his view.

Name the round and time and I'll post it in this thread.
oohhh, you're making someone angry, hehe...

without this bickering and questioning, boxing wouldn't be what it is today...
they must have planned it like this to get everyone interested in the rematch :D

Lenox Lewis needs to be a man and say one of a few things...
"i'm gettin too old/tired/out-of-shape/scared/bored/fat (pick one) for this, sorry, I retire for good."
"i won that fight and i won't give a rematch because i don't think i need to prove anything"
"even though i said i would give the rematch, I change my mind for this reason: ____________________ "
"due to the fact that the cut stopped the fight and I said i would rematch, I will be honorable and give him a rematch"
"even though the cut stopped the fight, I have sealed my legacy and done what i set out to do, so I retire"
"_________________________________________ "




or use your imagination..

The way I see it, Lewis-Klit II would look very much like #1. Lewis walked into a few of Klit's best right hands and, except for the second round, he kept moving forward. In the rematch, Vitali would probably connect again, and the survivior Lewis would do it again. There would also be a repeat of one or more Lewis right hands, which would open that gory hole over Vitali's eye again. This time all the old scar tissue opens all at once and we instantly get what took 4 rounds to produce last time. Difference is, Lewis throws more jabs on that spot and really messes up Vitali, again, for the TKO.

must be that Canuck loyalty coming out :p

I'd say if they go at it again, they will both be much more cautious, waiting for their chance. I think it will last longer, and each one will do their best to make it a bout, not a fight.

Stupid? I'm just telling it like I saw it. A huge right hand that brought instant gushing in the clinch that followed. Very simple.

Stupid is more like ..... agressive name-calling without providing anything to back yourself up! Oh, excuse me, I forgot, you Klit fans just need to hear Klit say it was a headbutt and your'e convinced? Klit might have been confused regarding what he "saw" also, since he had a big flap of meat blocking his view.

Name the round and time and I'll post it in this thread.

both Klitschko bro's are famous for SAYING alot of things..OF COURSE he would have said it was a head butt..he sure wouldnt want anyone to think that he actually got tagged by a LL right hand, now would he?? Other than some of the fans being so damn disrespectful when debating, the bro's excuses and/or false accusations are the very reasons I dont care for them! I mean, look at Wlad..who only loses cause of vaseline, low sugar, etc..(actually, there were so many rediculous claims over that I cant remember them all!!) so hearing that Vitali claimed the cut was caused by anything other than Lewis' massive right hand isnt very shocking. I'll continue to hold that against him, and his and Wlad's behavior in Lennox's corner after the fight was over is another thing I'll always hold against both of them..I lost what little respect for them I had when they ganged up on Lewis cause the doc. stopped the fight ..I keep seeing Vitali (looking like he was gonna cry or something!) nudging Lewis on the arm OVER AND OVER..running that mouth, and I kept thinking "Lennox knock him on his ass already and shut him up"! Vitali had no right to lay a hand on him after the fight was over..not ONE right, and he should be ashamed of his "manly" behavior! :rolleyes:
I cant be the only one that saw and was appalled by their behavior! Asking the CHAMP for a rematch is one thing...what Vitali and Wlad did in Lennox's corner was something else all together!

I cant be the only one that saw and was appalled by their behavior! Asking the CHAMP for a rematch is one thing...what Vitali and Wlad did in Lennox's corner was something else all together!

Just try for once to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

you are someone that has wanted this fight for a LONNNGGG TIME!!
someone who isn't a stranger to holding a belt.
but somone that has dreamt of fighting big HWs like Tyson & Lewis for quite a while..
you get in there, have the fight of your life, seeing your dreams right in front of you.. as they quickly get yanked due to a cut above your eye.
in all the pandimonium, knowing the fight due between you and this champ was in by no means over,
that the chance to prove yourself better than that champ was ended prematurely at best..
a rematch in no way was guranteed you
would you try and ask him on the spot?
would it be in a calm mannor?

granted 2 dudes up in your face isn't quite fair, if it was that serious of a threat, some manager or security would have acted ..

VK had the right to want a rematch or to at least ask it under the circumstances..

I lost what little respect for them I had when they ganged up on Lewis cause the doc. stopped the fight ..I keep seeing Vitali (looking like he was gonna cry or something!) nudging Lewis on the arm OVER AND OVER..running that mouth, and I kept thinking "Lennox knock him on his ass already and shut him up"!

But, he has a history. Within seconds of Sanders KO's his little brother, Vitali was in Sanders' corner mouthing off. The guy is a no-class to wander around in the ring, not giving the victor a few seconds to savour things.

Against Lennox, it was amateur night again.

well i thought vitali could have taken lewis if the fight had gone the distance you know and hey the crowd loved vitali but hey lewis was out of shape the night and stuff you know really who knows how the fight would have ended so why not have a rematch

But, he has a history. Within seconds of Sanders KO's his little brother, Vitali was in Sanders' corner mouthing off. The guy is a no-class to wander around in the ring, not giving the victor a few seconds to savour things.

Against Lennox, it was amateur night again.

As opposed to Lennox acting like an amateur ever since that night.

As opposed to Lennox acting like an amateur ever since that night.
Don't understand that Neuro. Amateur since then? For not rematching?

Right now Lennox is outside the fight game. Vitali's team has informally approached Lennox, so he's done the smart thing there. It's now Lennox's decision and Vitali has got to move on. Vitali should start considering things that are immediately available, like current belt holders, to show that he is The Man and establish himself as the new lineal champ.

If anything might get Lennox into a rematch, it's Vitali proving himself as new Lineal Champ. Unfortunately, this will take awhile and Lenny will too old. He might still fight, but it on't be pretty.

By the way, I'm not a Vitali fan (hasn't done enough yet) and Lennox's committment to the fight game has always been questionable, which made me love-hate the guy from fight to fight.

Just watched the fight again, stopping video between rounds to summarize .......

Round 1 – Vitali (V) definitely busier than Lewis (L) but neither fighter very effective. Most V’s punches not getting through L’s guard, but scores without any damage. L moving forward a bit more than K, but not bringing jab with him.

Vitali gets this round for being slightly busier. Neither fighter made a statement of any kind, except V showed he’s ready to get busy early.

Round 2 – V eats a good hard jab early, looking susceptible. Soon after, L eats a good right hand and clinches tightly. V shakes off a wobbly legged L and continues to throw but not too effectively. L’s legs looking weak. L's stiff jab backs-up K at 0:58 remaining, but doesn’t follow up. K immediately starts throwing everything and outlands Lewis 11-3 in the final 45 secs.

An easy Vitali round. V beat on Lewis at end of round. L not seriously hurt though. V looking fresher at round end. Both fighters with a good sized mouse under left eye. V spittin’ blood. Replay of V’s big right hand clearly shows that the “sleepy” version of Lewis has shown-up for the fight. Lewis being cleanly beat to the punch on that right hand.

Round 3 – L’s right hand connects in first few seconds, followed by another in the clinch. Gory cut flowing from over K’s eye, but not bleeding into eye. K’s pace slows immediately after cut but still throwing more and landing more than L in the middle of the round. Lewis gets many clean effective jabs over last minute, but K still getting right through guard, but without much effect.

Lewis’ round based on early big shot. L's jab definitely the most effective punch of both fighters over remainder of round. K still looking busier, but no power shots to offset L’s right hand early.

Round 4 – Dullest round of the fight. K definitely less speedy and not throwing as much, but agin busier than Lewis for the entire round. L throwing very little and looks like he’s decided to bicycle this one. Nice stiff jab in final ½ minute that stops K coming in, but K resets and keeps the pace.

Vitali gets this round easily. V threw much more and connected more. Not much power though, but connecting. Easy round for both fighters, especially Lewis who didn’t do a whole lot of anything.

Round 5 – L comes out looking better and connects two good uppercuts very early, but V not too hurt. Fighters are starting to stand in front of each other now. K still throwing more and landing more, but L gets the much heavier shots but very few. Lewis looking wobbly in the legs at mid-round. Lewis very ineffective with jab over last minute. V clearly busier and some shots getting around/through L’s stand-still defense.

V’s round for making more contact, it’s that simple. It's not pretty though. Although most of K’s punches were slipped or blocked, he still threw a **** load more than Lewis and connected more. Lewis was not getting to his man.

Going back their corners, Lewis looked tired but Vitali looks like a gasping corpse covered in thin red jam.

Round 6 – V starts the round looking very ****ty tired, but Lewis not jumping on him. V sneaks a beautiful jab thru the guard and snaps L’s head back, but no follow-up. Lewis almost removes K’s head at 2:00 with a trademark uppercut. V gets in his own uppercut at mid-round but he’s very tired and pushed the punch. V stays busier than L over the remaining time and gets a good right hand thru causing Lewis lean on the ropes. L gets a nice uppercut in near the bell but nothing follows.

Vitali’s round, despite the big uppercut he ate early. This round was a repeat of earlier rounds. V was busier and connected more.

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In rounds #5 and #6, Vitali was clearly beginning to look very wobbly legged and heavy armed in the last minute. In the following rounds, it would make sense that his round-winning pace would cause him to tire a bit earlier each round. He looked at bit like his brother, almost falling under his own weight, near the end of #6.

Lewis, on the other hand, looked about the same at end #6 as he did at end #2. Not saying he was "fresh" by any means, but he was still moving forward and landing the power shots.

My Guess? Lewis would have worked the left eye more and caused Vitalis' entire upper lid fall over that eye, causing stoppage. Or, Lewis connects late in round 8 with clean uppercut as Klit tries to clich. Vitali falls, not entirely from the shot, but from lack of balance and tiredness. Klit tries to save himself in another clinch over the last 30 seconds, but Lennox slips a huge uppercut that drops the giant ala Michael Grant.

Closing Note ..... where's that HEADBUTT?

Just try for once to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

you are someone that has wanted this fight for a LONNNGGG TIME!!
someone who isn't a stranger to holding a belt.
but somone that has dreamt of fighting big HWs like Tyson & Lewis for quite a while..
you get in there, have the fight of your life, seeing your dreams right in front of you.. as they quickly get yanked due to a cut above your eye.
in all the pandimonium, knowing the fight due between you and this champ was in by no means over,
that the chance to prove yourself better than that champ was ended prematurely at best..
a rematch in no way was guranteed you
would you try and ask him on the spot?
would it be in a calm mannor?

granted 2 dudes up in your face isn't quite fair, if it was that serious of a threat, some manager or security would have acted ..

VK had the right to want a rematch or to at least ask it under the circumstances..

Man, I can try and put myself in his shoes, the problem is I think I would have a touch more class. Like I said, asking the champ (hell, even demanding it is fine) is just fine..but since when does it take 2 Klitschko giants to get that done? And it's just my opinion, but I'd think that Vitali might have a bit more luck getting that rematch by showing the champ his due respect; not nudging him on the arm and getting in his face ..with big bro lurking in the background. I posted it before and I'll do it again..it got to the point where I honestly wondered if they were gonna jump him. And tell me this, if Lennox was not the class act that he is, and if he has responded to their bullying tatics like most other fighters would have, and had punched Vitali in the mouth one of the many times he nudged him on the arm, do you think a brawl would have broken out?? Of course it would..which Klitschko bro do you think would have backed awaw and stayed out of it?? Neither one..they both would have jumped in there, and the funny thing is by the next day, every Klitschko fan would have Lennox at fault for the whole thing. I realize that didnt happen, cause Lennox does have class..and another thing (man did you mess up! I could go with the "what if's" all day! :p ) if the situation had been reversed, and Vitali got the win and Lennox was in his corner..running his mouth and nudging him on the arm..do you wanna take a guess as to how Vitali and his bro would have handled that? I sure dont!
Like I said, ask him for one..but dont try to bully and intimidate (there is NO intimidating Lennox Lewis) him..along with big bro., into it..just makes you look bad!

But, he has a history. Within seconds of Sanders KO's his little brother, Vitali was in Sanders' corner mouthing off. The guy is a no-class to wander around in the ring, not giving the victor a few seconds to savour things.

Against Lennox, it was amateur night again.

Thats pathetic..God forbid that Sanders might want to take a min. to soak it all in before some bully jumps in his face..running his mouth and just asking for it!! Some of these men have loads of class, cause I dont know what keeps them from flooring one of them when they pull that ****! :confused:

Thats pathetic..God forbid that Sanders might want to take a min. to soak it all in before some bully jumps in his face..running his mouth and just asking for it!! Some of these men have loads of class, cause I dont know what keeps them from flooring one of them when they pull that ****! :confused:

Worst part of it is that Vitali was not wearing gloves that night. Meaning, he was nothing more than a spectator (from his brother's corner) but literally ran to Sander's corner demanding a "fight".

Sound familar?

Don't understand that Neuro. Amateur since then? For not rematching?

Right now Lennox is outside the fight game. Vitali's team has informally approached Lennox, so he's done the smart thing there. It's now Lennox's decision and Vitali has got to move on. Vitali should start considering things that are immediately available, like current belt holders, to show that he is The Man and establish himself as the new lineal champ.

If anything might get Lennox into a rematch, it's Vitali proving himself as new Lineal Champ. Unfortunately, this will take awhile and Lenny will too old. He might still fight, but it on't be pretty.

By the way, I'm not a Vitali fan (hasn't done enough yet) and Lennox's committment to the fight game has always been questionable, which made me love-hate the guy from fight to fight.

Not so much for not giving Vitali the rematch, more so how he has conducted himself with his picking Vitali's opponent to win in every one of his fights. Especially how he conducted himself with his Williams/Vitali predictions.

An old, out of shape, and unprepared Lewis beat Vitali

Nuff said

Worst part of it is that Vitali was not wearing gloves that night. Meaning, he was nothing more than a spectator (from his brother's corner) but literally ran to Sander's corner demanding a "fight".

Sound familar?

Actually he said that the belt belonged in the family and that he would get it back.

I think I would have a touch more class.
I'd think that Vitali might have a bit more luck getting that rematch by showing the champ his due respect; not nudging him on the arm and getting in his face
if Lennox was not the class act that he is, and if he has responded to their bullying tatics like most other fighters would have, and had punched Vitali in the mouth one of the many times he nudged him on the arm, do you think a brawl would have broken out??
Of course it would..which Klitschko bro do you think would have backed awaw and stayed out of it?? Neither one..they both would have jumped in there, and the funny thing is by the next day, every Klitschko fan would have Lennox at fault for the whole thing. I realize that didnt happen, cause Lennox does have class..and another thing (man did you mess up! I could go with the "what if's" all day! :p ) if the situation had been reversed, and Vitali got the win and Lennox was in his corner..running his mouth and nudging him on the arm..do you wanna take a guess as to how Vitali and his bro would have handled that? I sure dont!
Like I said, ask him for one..but dont try to bully and intimidate (there is NO intimidating Lennox Lewis) him..along with big bro., into it..just makes you look bad!


this is all hearsay and conjecture... I really don't think you are that all-knowing or foreseeing, or maybe you have a crystal ball. Nothing but assumptions, which you're entitled to :)

Worst part of it is that Vitali was not wearing gloves that night. Meaning, he was nothing more than a spectator (from his brother's corner) but literally ran to Sander's corner demanding a "fight".

Sound familar?

Unfortunately, it does sound familiar! I'm sorry, but that kind of behavior, and then the behavior of SOME of their fans..it's just too much for me to overlook :confused: I think youre kinda new around here, but one day you'll come across a fella named Nautilus..hes a big klit fan too, but so full of respect it makes some of the other fans look real, real bad! I'll debate with him anyday, all day long. He is a fan, but is also honest and realistic about the bro's limitations, etc. ;) One cool guy..hopefully you'll get to "meet" him one day soon!

this is all hearsay and conjecture... I really don't think you are that all-knowing or foreseeing, or maybe you have a crystal ball. Nothing but assumptions, which you're entitled to :)

Now thats a shame..up to this point you were a little different than some of their other fans. How disappointing! Now, just like some of them, youre putting words in my mouth, and I can do without that since I can speak for myself. I DID NOT say for sure how those possible situations would have turned out..I said WHAT IF..matter of fact, I even attempted to joke with you about how I could go on with the what ifs all day..my mistake, but it wont happen again. I didnt predict one thing, man, just forget it..not worth the damn time

Lewis is a little ***** if he doesn't come out to fight VK. Everyone knows he retired after their last fight to duck a rematch. Until he steps up to honor a rematch he's just a little ***** and has no legacy whatsoever. And he won't, so don't bother waiting for the girlscout.

wow, worst post ever

Now thats a shame..up to this point you were a little different than some of their other fans. How disappointing! Now, just like some of them, youre putting words in my mouth, and I can do without that since I can speak for myself. I DID NOT say for sure how those possible situations would have turned out..I said WHAT IF..matter of fact, I even attempted to joke with you about how I could go on with the what ifs all day..my mistake, but it wont happen again. I didnt predict one thing, man, just forget it..not worth the damn time


I think all fans are individually different, we're people with uniqueness. I guess you missed some of the 'joking' of mine as well :)

whether or not they deserve the treatment ; VK, WK, and their fans get trash talked all the time, so I understand where you're coming from.

I think the actual show of passion and dedication that makes the Klitschko's overact should be refreshing.. to see desire to be champion so strong, it's gotta be good for the HW division... even though they may not have have been so 'classy' about it..
:p