View Full Version : Worst Referreeing Job?
Mr. Ryan 01-14-2005, 03:15 PM What was the worst job ever done by a referree? Here are some of my candidates:
1. Joe Cortez, in the fight with William Joppy-Roberto Duran. I think something is seriously wrong with Cortez.
2. Dale Grable, in the Prince Naseem Hamed-Cesar Soto fight. I've seen better refs at amateur shows. He had no business in there with champs. Incompetent.
3. Jersey Joe Walcott, in Ali-Liston II. Who the **** is the guy from a newspaper to tell Walcott the fight is over?
4. Jack Dempsey, in every fight he officiated.
rudy gonzalez (i think was his name) for the juarez vz. raheem fight
i'll never forget that attrocity.
Mr. Ryan 01-14-2005, 03:19 PM How about that idiot in the Burton-Augustas fight last year. Michigan has the worst referrees in the country.
jack_the_rippuh 01-14-2005, 03:20 PM Who was referreeing that Pernell Whitaker fight where he hit the guy(his opponent) with like 10 left hooks before he finally fell out of the ring?
That seemed to be a pretty bad job to me, the fight should have been stopped while he was out on his feet..
jack_the_rippuh 01-14-2005, 03:21 PM Mills Lane - Tyson vs. Holyfield II
He let the guy cheat..
Mr. Ryan 01-14-2005, 03:22 PM That was Diobelys Hurtado. That referree was another sick one. I bet he wishes he had that one back.
Mr. Violence 01-14-2005, 03:27 PM Who was referreeing that Pernell Whitaker fight where he hit the guy(his opponent) with like 10 left hooks before he finally fell out of the ring?
That seemed to be a pretty bad job to me, the fight should have been stopped while he was out on his feet..
That ref was probably Sweet Pea's cocaine dealer on the side(just a joke no offense to Sweet Pea fans.I like him too) :D
Getting back to the subject...whoever refereed the Ray Mercer/Tommy Morrison fight did a terrible job. Morrison could have been seriously hurt taking at least 7 unanswered blows while knocked out asleep on the ropes..
mic573 01-14-2005, 03:28 PM rudy gonzalez (i think was his name) for the juarez vz. raheem fight
i'll never forget that attrocity.
People say John Ruiz should be penalized for holding in his fights well Raheem was doing just as much holding in the Juarez fight. It was Raheem's fault those points were being deducted. I mean the ref kept warning him and warning him but he still kept holding behind the head. I don't think the ref did a great job or even close to a good job but to be fair if Ruiz should be penalized for holding so should Raheem.
People say John Ruiz should be penalized for holding in his fights well Raheem was doing just as much holding in the Juarez fight. It was Raheem's fault those points were being deducted. I mean the ref kept warning him and warning him but he still kept holding behind the head. I don't think the ref did a great job or even close to a good job but to be fair if Ruiz should be penalized for holding so should Raheem.
man, there is no way in hell that you can liken what raheem did in that fight to what ruiz has been doing his entire career.
mic - i've posted back and forth w/ you for a while, what nationality are you?
mic573 01-14-2005, 03:42 PM man, there is no way in hell that you can liken what raheem did in that fight to what ruiz has been doing his entire career.
mic - i've posted back and forth w/ you for a while, what nationality are you?
There is no way in hell you can say Raheem wasn't holding way too much in that fight.
Baya, I'm 100% Alabama-Coushatta Native American.
oldgringo 01-14-2005, 03:43 PM Last job I saw that pissed me off was Raheem/Juarez. It reminded me of basketball refs who call every litle gay, ticky tack foul imaginable. Juarez clearly can't deal with movers and the last 6 rounds would have looked drasically different had the ref not been a pansy.
Last job I saw that pissed me off was Raheem/Juarez. It reminded me of basketball refs who call every litle gay, ticky tack foul imaginable. Juarez clearly can't deal with movers and the last 6 rounds would have looked drasically different had the ref not been a pansy.
my sentiments exactly!
oldgringo 01-14-2005, 03:45 PM There is no way in hell you can say Raheem wasn't holding way too much in that fight.
Baya, I'm 100% Alabama-Coushatta Native American.
Come on Mic the ref was telling him NOT TO MEASURE! I mean WTF is that?!?! Raheem was barely placing his glove behind his head. Ruiz actually hugs and hold his guy...Raheem barely comes close to that.
There is no way in hell you can say Raheem wasn't holding way too much in that fight.
Baya, I'm 100% Alabama-Coushatta Native American.
here it goes, RAHEEM WASN'T HOLDING WAY TOO MUCH IN THAT FIGHT.
wudda never guessed u were american indian. i'll toke to that!
Come on Mic the ref was telling him NOT TO MEASURE! I mean WTF is that?!?! Raheem was barely placing his glove behind his head. Ruiz actually hugs and hold his guy...Raheem barely comes close to that.
i almost threw my plate full of rice and beans at the TV when i heard that **** sucker tell zahir to "not measure" ...
i actually even wrote an email so some dude in the texas state athletic commission. fuqqers never got back to me.
mic573 01-14-2005, 03:51 PM Come on Mic the ref was telling him NOT TO MEASURE! I mean WTF is that?!?! Raheem was barely placing his glove behind his head. Ruiz actually hugs and hold his guy...Raheem barely comes close to that.
Like I said I didn't think the ref did even close to a good job but the holding wasn't just barley placing a glove behind the head. He was pushing Juarez head down. As far as the measuring thing I think he was talking about how Raheem was holding out the right hand without throwing a punch. That wasn't a big deal because Raheem wasn't doing it through the entire fight and all the little things were just uncalled for but the holding was just too much.
mic573 01-14-2005, 03:53 PM here it goes, RAHEEM WASN'T HOLDING WAY TOO MUCH IN THAT FIGHT.
wudda never guessed u were american indian. i'll toke to that!
I'd say Raheem was holding too much.
oldgringo 01-14-2005, 03:54 PM i almost threw my plate full of rice and beans at the TV when i heard that **** sucker tell zahir to "not measure" ...
i actually even wrote an email so some dude in the texas state athletic commission. fuqqers never got back to me.
Seriously...I was like, "is this **** really boxing?" Roy Jones would be ****ed if you werent allowed to measure. I bet that ref is the head of the commission dude.
mic573 01-14-2005, 03:56 PM Seriously...I was like, "is this **** really boxing?" Roy Jones would be ****ed if you werent allowed to measure. I bet that ref is the head of the commission dude.
Measuring is an illegal tactic just not called too often.
Champoreeno 01-14-2005, 04:17 PM Certainly not the worst ever, but more recently, the ref in the Tyson - D Williams fight was pretty awful. Good thing it did'nt matter.
Toller 01-14-2005, 05:02 PM Roger Tilleman was responsible for probably the worst and most biased refereeing performance I've ever seen. When Robin Reid fought Sven Ottke, he was giving Reid warnings just for landing punches, and whenever Ottke got in trouble he made up some reason to stop the fight and warn Reid.
He penalised Reid for infringements he made, whilst only giving Ottke warnings for the same things (which were even more blatant). And when Ottke was knocked down legitimately (it was an obvious knockdown), he just ruled it a slip and basically forced the judges to score what should have been a 10-8 rd for Reid as a 10-8 round for Ottke due to a point deduction (or at best 9-9).
Basically the referee decided who he wanted to win the fight and did whatever was necessary to make it happen. That guy should never be allowed any involvement in boxing again.
tracylee 01-14-2005, 05:30 PM People say John Ruiz should be penalized for holding in his fights well Raheem was doing just as much holding in the Juarez fight. It was Raheem's fault those points were being deducted. I mean the ref kept warning him and warning him but he still kept holding behind the head. I don't think the ref did a great job or even close to a good job but to be fair if Ruiz should be penalized for holding so should Raheem.
I agree with this. I remember all that and how so many posted how wrong it was for the ref. to take the pt..however, if he was told repeatedly (and he was) to stop doing it, then common sense should have told him that he needed to quit. I mean, the ref. made it clear that that was the only problem he had with him..the only complaint, so that is all he had to do. Stop grabbing him behind the head..pretty simple.
Anyway, i still consider Richard Steele the worse ref out there..what he did wrong (Taylor vs. Chavez..enought said) was bad enough that so far nothing I've seen in the ring since comes close..even after all this time!
RobbieD 01-14-2005, 06:16 PM Roger Tilleman was responsible for probably the worst and most biased refereeing performance I've ever seen. When Robin Reid fought Sven Ottke, he was giving Reid warnings just for landing punches, and whenever Ottke got in trouble he made up some reason to stop the fight and warn Reid.
He penalised Reid for infringements he made, whilst only giving Ottke warnings for the same things (which were even more blatant). And when Ottke was knocked down legitimately (it was an obvious knockdown), he just ruled it a slip and basically forced the judges to score what should have been a 10-8 rd for Reid as a 10-8 round for Ottke due to a point deduction (or at best 9-9).
Basically the referee decided who he wanted to win the fight and did whatever was necessary to make it happen. That guy should never be allowed any involvement in boxing again.
Agree entirely with this one. It's one thing hearing about the hometown decisions Ottke was getting but seeing them was unreal. No wonder he was avoiding Calzaghe and never fighting outside Germany.
deuce_drop 01-14-2005, 06:37 PM most of jay nady fights are pretty bad, they man " i think is the worst", but i would like to see him ref a ruiz fight, so he could DQ him for holding"
marvdave 01-14-2005, 06:54 PM Joey Curtis- Weaver-Dokes I
Mr. Violence 01-17-2005, 03:44 AM i still question richard steele's stopping of many fights...he is known to stop a fight too early.
AIR_KENG 01-17-2005, 03:51 AM i still question richard steele's stopping of many fights...he is known to stop a fight too early.
worst refereeing job: manny pacquaio-3K battery fight. he was obviously rooting for pacman, hehe... and maybe i can add a new thread: worst ring side announcer of all-time! i would again say it was in yanig sa taguig, ronnie nathanielsz!!! haha!
gustang1969 01-17-2005, 10:21 PM richard steele in the chavez taylor fight he was a chavez fight and taylor was up on his feet and was cool to finish the last few seconds he was still there chavez was lucky meldrick deserved to finish the fight and some refree stole a fight from him usually its the judges who rob you not a the ref poor meldrick now he is messed up in the head because of that
LittleBigMan 01-17-2005, 10:49 PM thats bull****. you have to wave it off if they can't respond. otherwise, what is the point of going for a KO in the last 15 seconds of a fight?
Tha Greatest 01-18-2005, 02:20 AM thats bull****. you have to wave it off if they can't respond. otherwise, what is the point of going for a KO in the last 15 seconds of a fight?
It was all LOU DUVA!!!!!
TELLING HIM U NEED TO WIN THA LAST ROUND TO WIN THA FIGHT!?
BULL****!! Taylor could've stayed away from him in tha last round n he would've won with a lot less physical problems and his career would be complete
Mr. Ryan 01-18-2005, 11:05 AM I was watching the Gatti-Patterson rematch yesterday, that was simply the worst refereeing job ever. Rudy Battle took away a clean body shot knockdown from Patterson, and gave Gatti time to rest for a low blow call. He was just walking around the fighters telling them to keep their punches up, while they were throwing head shots. He warned Gatti about 20 times for low blows before he took a point away. He called a knockdown against Patterson when a punch didn't even connect. Battle is obviously Gatti's biggest fan.
Atwa_66 01-18-2005, 11:06 AM Any referee who witnessed John Ruiz hug the opposing fighter to death and didn't stop him from doing it or dq him, poor officiating
tracylee 01-18-2005, 11:48 AM thats bull****. you have to wave it off if they can't respond. otherwise, what is the point of going for a KO in the last 15 seconds of a fight?
If there had actaully been 15 sec's left, then sure I would agree with STeele stopping it. But, since there was only 2 sec's left then no, I dont think he should have stopped it. By the time the two met in the center of the ring the bell would have ended the fight.
LuKahnLi 01-18-2005, 12:01 PM The worst job I have seen lately is the guy who was reffing Emanuel Augustus-Courtney Burton.
ODBBOXING 01-18-2005, 10:42 PM I never understood why the TV media used to prop this guy...he was the worst I ever saw.
1. Totally lost control of Ali Wepner.
2. About got Ken Norton killed against Gerry Cooney; totally clear across ring.
3. Got Kostya Tszyu DQed against Leonardo Mas; again clear across ring.
4. I think he was the ref for Mercer and Morrison; Mercer almost murdered the guy; again out of position.
Lazy, out of position, arrogant.
The best; Arthur Sr; Larry Hazzard Sr; Stanley Christodoulu; Marty Denkin; Mitch Halpern
Mr. Ryan 01-19-2005, 02:24 PM How about Wayne Kelly in Roy Jones-Richard Hall. I bet Kelly was having a pretty good time watching the carnage, maybe should've spent more time stopping the fight. Kelly needs to get checked out seriously.
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