Now that Roy Jones has gone over the hill on us, and quite rapidly at that, the former champion’s achievements and his standing as an all time great are being assessed. Finely balanced treatments are provided by various boxing writers concerning his speed, power, ring savvy and career highlights, and how his skills and achievements likely stack up against former greats of the squared circle. “Steroids,” however, are rarely—if ever—mentioned in the same sentence with “Roy Jones,” but perhaps they should be. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=2888)]

damn after all roy did for boxing people still hate on him, sure he tested postive....for nasal spray.
btw hall tested postive for steroids..


i cant believe how much hate that man gets, he was so good for so long people always love ways to knock him. its disgusting, especially when all theses athletes in other sports are glorified but are **** to fans and i know first hand that he cares about his fans. i met him and he didnt roll with no security no boddy gaurds, he was cool as hell. signed everything and took pictures.



btw i prob sound like a stan and i mightve rambled, my apologies. im kinda drunk.

its kinda funny how people will talk about vk being a steroid user when he was caught once as an ammature while healing from an injurie.

but not jones ore toney

its kinda funny how people will talk about vk being a steroid user when he was caught once as an ammature while healing from an injurie.

but not jones ore toney
its kinda funny that people still talk about vk, when he did nothing. didnt win no title, had it given to him. defended it against lames who had no chance .

its kinda funny that people still talk about vk, when he did nothing. didnt win no title, had it given to him. defended it against lames who had no chance .

dont chance the subject, the subject is steroid use in boxing

dont chance the subject, the subject is steroid use in boxing
yeah i know roy had nasal spray in him and vk admitted sterois use....

yeah i know roy had nasal spray in him and vk admitted sterois use....
than you probably know that vk was given it by his doctor to heal, and than you probably also know that jones tested positiv in the the fight with hall.

and if you knew about training you would know that its not possibel to gain 20lbs of muscle in that amount off time with out drugs.

i think the atheletes who are taking them do it because it'll help them financially. eventually in the future this will start to be more and more common. another thing they will find new harmful effects of this drug as the years come.

good article, can some one provide a link for the nasal spray jones thing, ive always been under the impression they both tested for steroids at the hall fight but it was brushed under the carpet

than you probably know that vk was given it by his doctor to heal, and than you probably also know that jones tested positiv in the the fight with hall.

and if you knew about training you would know that its not possibel to gain 20lbs of muscle in that amount off time with out drugs.
who cares if it was given to him to heal, it was still in his system.

roy tested positive for nasal spray in the hall fight, hall tested positive for something as well.

i know its hard to gain that much muscle in that time without drugs but there are legal supplements that you can buy over the counter that may help. roy never tested positive after the ruiz fight, why bring that up?

Vitali took steroids so he gains muscle advantage over opponents.

and if you knew about training you would know that its not possibel to gain 20lbs of muscle in that amount off time with out drugs.


I'm sure the roy probably used steroids in some parts of his career, but this statement is slightly more complex than you think.
You see, roy fought at 175, he's not naturally that weight, meaning in training he depletes alot of his muscle. After going through that depleting, your body rapidly absorbs anything you give it to make up for what you lost, AND stores more incase it happens again (evolutional survival gene).

When roy was at heavy, he was not solid, he was not fat, but he wasn't solid muscle either.

Most likely, his muscles were filled with a lot of nutritional fluid (also known as "water weight")since he fed himself more and didn't deplete them in training. Roy's goal was to gain muscle.

To do that, you have to eat and eat and eat, which he did, and it filled his muscles up with nutrition, not just new muscle. Therefore, it's quite easy to gain 20lbs in that time since roy was used to killing his body in training

who cares if it was given to him to heal, it was still in his system.

roy tested positive for nasal spray in the hall fight, hall tested positive for something as well.

i know its hard to gain that much muscle in that time without drugs but there are legal supplements that you can buy over the counter that may help. roy never tested positive after the ruiz fight, why bring that up?


BTW Hall tested postive too.... are you ****ing kidding me. did you read the article?


It talks about that **** in there. do you think you are bringing something new up. Why don't you read an entire article before you comment on it douche bag.

And because Roy says he tested postitive for nose spray does that mean it was nose spray? How ****ing stupid are you. Did you think Roy wouldn't have an excuse. And even if it went up his nose, do you think that means it can't help his preformance.


Does cocaine do nothing because it goes up your nose? The article makes a good point that Roys rise and fall was perfectly timed with the rise and fall of Balco Labs, which he has connections with.

But I guess that's all nose spray too right? :rolleyes:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/Croney9/steroids.jpg

Pacquiao.........:boxing:

He is one of the greatest athletes in the history of sports, and is still arguably one of the best light-heavyweights in the world right now.

There is just no need for such disrespectful rumours to be perpetuated.

Vitali took steroids so he gains muscle advantage over opponents.


lol

it is joker's hour

There are only 3 possibilities:

A) Boxers aren't on steroids because testing, though not perfect, is enough to deter boxers from risking multi-million dollar paydays.

B) All boxers are on steroids. Testing is too far behind to catch anybody. In which case any advantage to be gained is negated.

or

C) Only Pacquiao is getting away with it because he has special steroids that nobody else has.

There are only 3 possibilities:

A) Boxers aren't on steroids because testing, though not perfect, is enough to deter boxers from risking multi-million dollar paydays.

B) All boxers are on steroids. Testing is too far behind to catch anybody. In which case any advantage to be gained is negated.

or

C) Only Pacquiao is getting away with it because he has special steroids that nobody else has.

or D) There are just naturally gifted boxers out there that defines them among the rest, they're called ATGs.

I thought this was recent news, was bout to say!

thats a dumb article roy jones was still fast in the green fight....after tarver ko'd him he retreated into his shell and scarred to throw punches....you say he cheated against virgil hill but virgil hill cheated too....

It's a sad reality but the facts are, Roy Jones Jr. tested positive for steroids. And he - along with Richard Hall - got away because the ISAC didn't have any set laws in place for punishment. Whatever they did have was swept under the rug.

I know some will argue that the B sample came back negative (when did they re-test him?) and that what he was caught with wasn't terrible but it was illegal. The fact that both fighters got caught with their pants down shows what's cooking under the lid. Honestly, it should be obvious to all but baseball fans were just as oblivious as their stars got bigger (literally) while shattering every record. Will we continue to do the same? We can bury our heads in the sand or we can give this issue a proper burial.

One glaring note - I don't believe Roy Jones was involved in the BALCO scandal. That's quite an assertion. And the first time I've seen it on a credible site. Why was his name never mentioned before?

Huh. Interesting read.

Has the writer managed to verify the BALCO thing? That is an egregious error.

Has the writer managed to verify the BALCO thing? That is an egregious error.
Yeah it's circumstantial. Jones invincibility vanished at the same time as BALCO did. Coincidence? The writer believes there's a connection.

Yeah it's circumstantial. Jones invincibility vanished at the same time as BALCO did. Coincidence? The writer believes there's a connection.
The BALCO expose happened btween Jones's fights with Ruiz and Tarver, and he hasn't been the same since.I find it hard to believe that losing 15 lbs of muscle will make a fighter completely shot.

Yeah it's circumstantial. Jones invincibility vanished at the same time as BALCO did. Coincidence? The writer believes there's a connection.

There was no connection. The names came out already. So I'm not sure why he's inventing things. Roy Jones wasn't the only fighter to fall off in 2003. If the writer believes there's a connection...why not do your research and find out? There was none.

The BALCO expose happened btween Jones's fights with Ruiz and Tarver, and he hasn't been the same since.I find it hard to believe that losing 15 lbs of muscle will make a fighter completely shot.

BALCO labs were raided and the names taken. Shane Mosley was the only boxer on the list. End of story. Very, very bad fact-checking by the author. I can see how a message board poster might see "Jones" and assume it was Roy but it takes a simple click and a couple calls to verify that it was Marion.

There was no connection. The names came out already. So I'm not sure why he's inventing things. Roy Jones wasn't the only fighter to fall off in 2003. If the writer believes there's a connection...why not do your research and find out? There was none.
I never saw the BALCO list. Was it made public?

I've seen several list from the european BALCO counterparts (primarily cyclingrelated) and all the names were coded and not all was decrypted.

Funny how Roy Stans talk **** about Margarito being a cheater. Same with Mosley lol.

this article is stupid.

1) RJJ looked average against Tarver because he dropped 20 lbs of muscle. that dumbass said that he lost a couple lbs of fat and said it didn't do anything to him. big difference betweeen muscle and fat.

2) How does the writer know that Vargas would've been KOed sooner without roids against DLH? He's making arguments off hypothetical situations.

3) Even if toney was using steroid, how would it help him considering he's fat as ****?

I'm not a fan of steroid use in any sports, but IMHO steroids won't turn an average fighter into a great fighter.

I never saw the BALCO list. Was it made public?

I've seen several list from the european BALCO counterparts (primarily cyclingrelated) and all the names were coded and not all was decrypted.

Yes, they were made public. There weren't that many names but the most prominent had theirs draped on every sports page. And Roy Jones Jr. wasn't one of them. Author spent a lot of time harping on this conspiracy theory that is false. Why not stay with what you know? The fact that he tested positive in 2000 is good (or bad) enough. No need to make up more.

Funny how Roy Stans talk **** about Margarito being a cheater. Same with Mosley lol.

Margarito is not a cheat but a disgrace

Yes, they were made public. There weren't that many names but the most prominent had theirs draped on every sports page. And Roy Jones Jr. wasn't one of them. Author spent a lot of time harping on this conspiracy theory that is false. Why not stay with what you know? The fact that he tested positive in 2000 is good (or bad) enough. No need to make up more.
In that case you're right. Going out the BALCO tangent is a reach as far as Jones is concerned.

The sport of boxing needs random blood testing for drugs or whatever to stop fighters juicing and dangering lives. Floyd Mayweather is right when he says 'take the test'

The sport of boxing needs random blood testing for drugs or whatever to stop fighters juicing and dangering lives. Floyd Mayweather is right when he says 'take the test'

So you bump a 3 year old thread about it? Please tell me what the point of that is. Holy....:ban:

So you bump a 3 year old thread about it? Please tell me what the point of that is. Holy....:ban:I think he used the search function properly in this case...you would've been more annoyed if he started yet another new steroid thread to turn into a 30 page Pac/May *****fest.

20 years of weight lifting experience and you were not aware that you can NOT gain 25lbs of muscle in 5 months without steroids? LOL ok...

Naturally you can only look forward to gaining about 1.5 lbs per month.

The sport of boxing needs random blood testing for drugs or whatever to stop fighters juicing and dangering lives. Floyd Mayweather is right when he says 'take the test'

nice bump...thanks.

I think he used the search function properly in this case...you would've been more annoyed if he started yet another new steroid thread to turn into a 30 page Pac/May *****fest.

The post is totally pointless. That is MY point.

Great article.

Many here refuse to acknowledge the huge advantages a fighter on steroids has over his opponent who is not on roids.

Hit harder, with more speed, stamina, strength. If Margarito wanted an edge he could have just juiced.

I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd gets caught one day he's one fighter that has been looking out of the norm to his style.

Plaster of Paris or Steroids?. Both are meant to cause vital harm to your opponent and both do as they are intended to do, harm your opponent.

Is Delahoya the last great not useing steriods? He's has two fighters try to beat him while they were caught useing steriods.