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Tha Greatest 01-14-2005, 12:13 AM I just ordered his whole career on DVD off ebay
I think this guy is a dangerous guy, i saw his fights with Vargas and Joppy, tha knockouts were brutal. He has power in both hands, and his ko over mayorga was nice to.
I havent seen all his fights yet only like 6.
Tha thing i see in him is he doesnt really outbox tha ppl, usually it's even then he just lands some crazy **** and knocks them out, i saw the cherifi fight, i thought it was pretty close until tito knocked him out.
Powerpunch4u 01-14-2005, 12:20 AM I think he looks to good to be true against small welters like Mayorga and old shot fighters like Joppy, but looks horrible against a real middleweight (Hopkins). Sad but true. Dont' believe the hype, just look at the facts.
Viva Puerto Rico!!!
Cow head 01-14-2005, 12:30 AM I think he looks to good to be true against small welters like Mayorga and old shot fighters like Joppy, but looks horrible against a real middleweight (Hopkins). Sad but true. Dont' believe the hype, just look at the facts.
Viva Puerto Rico!!!
What a idiot. Joppy wasn't shot nor old when Trinidad faught him.
I think he looks to good to be true against small welters like Mayorga and old shot fighters like Joppy, but looks horrible against a real middleweight (Hopkins). Sad but true. Dont' believe the hype, just look at the facts.
Viva Puerto Rico!!!
Tito is for real man. Hopkins is an all time great fighter. Besides your point makes no sense when you say that Tito beats up on smaller guys but you say he's no good when he lost to a guy who is naturally bigger
Who doesn't look horrible against Hopkins? Simply because Trinidad was dominated by Hopkins doesn't mean he isn't a viable and dangerous middleweight.
Early in his career, Trinidad outboxed and blew people away with his power. It was later in his career, where he fell in love with his power and somewhate neglected his boxing ability. In his early days, Trinidad was a treat to watch...still.
Who doesn't look horrible against Hopkins? Simply because Trinidad was dominated by Hopkins doesn't mean he isn't a viable and dangerous middleweight.
Early in his career, Trinidad outboxed and blew people away with his power. It was later in his career, where he fell in love with his power and somewhate neglected his boxing ability. In his early days, Trinidad was a treat to watch...still.
How early are we talking? I didnt watch him early in his career but Kellerman used to say that he wasnt that impressive early on and he was suprised how good he turned out to be
mic573 01-14-2005, 12:43 AM I think Tito is a great fighter and is actually one of my favorite fighters of all time along side Roberto Duran.
ThaGreatest you thought the Cheriffi fight was close? I thought the fight was one-sided in favor of Tito. I also thought Tito tried to do a little too much in that fight.
Sir_Jose 01-14-2005, 12:45 AM Good fighter who can look amazing when he has the right guy in front of him.
If you come right at him he might kill you, but he has never shown the ability to cut off the ring.
Look at fights like DLH, Hopkins and Reid.
People forget but David Reid was making Tito look foolish. Reid won the first 6 rounds and dropped Tito in the 3rd, then Tito caught Reid flush and the fight was over.
mic573 01-14-2005, 12:46 AM How early are we talking? I didnt watch him early in his career but Kellerman used to say that he wasnt that impressive early on and he was suprised how good he turned out to be
Tito actually fought well behind a good hard jab early in his career. I think he needs to do that more as well as put more bodyshots into his arsenal more. He is actually a good bodypuncher but it gets overshadowed by his punches upstairs.
Knicksman20 01-14-2005, 12:58 AM Tito is an average boxer with abnormal power. Like what was said, if you stay in front of him he looks amazing. You box Tito & hit him from angles, he looks looks ordinary because he seems limited.
SweetScience 01-14-2005, 01:01 AM I really liked when Tito moved up to 154, he seem to be more stronger and comfortable. At 147 Tito had no legs what so ever. Whitaker backed him up in their fight in one of the rounds with his potshots. In the DLH fight, Tito could've been KO'd if DLH sat down on his punches more. Tito was off balanced threw most of the first couple rounds.
However, Tito looked SCARY when he moved up by just wrecking mofos. I had him at #1 P4P during that stretch run. Exciting fighter no doubt about it.
MlLkMan 01-14-2005, 01:09 AM I think he looks to good to be true against small welters like Mayorga and old shot fighters like Joppy, but looks horrible against a real middleweight (Hopkins). Sad but true. Dont' believe the hype, just look at the facts.
Viva Puerto Rico!!!
yea, thats what i think too.
jswa17 01-14-2005, 02:10 AM Tito is not a good boxer, but his punches are pretty accurate and have devastating power. Good boxers like Hopkins, Delahoya never had any trouble staying away from those punches tho...If he works on his boxing skills a lil more, i think he could be p4p king
Dkknight 01-14-2005, 02:36 AM Tito's strength is in his power and accuracy of his punches. He throws very technically sound punches and gets tremendous power from that left hook. However, when fighting with boxers of superior skill he seems to have problems, as was the case with Hopkins and Delahoya. Tito has been known for getting knocked down early in fights, but after that it seems to get him focused more and he generally ends up knocking the other guy out. He is definitely one of the best boricua fighters of all time.
average_expert 01-14-2005, 02:46 AM [QUOTE=jose]Good fighter who can look amazing when he has the right guy in front of him.
If you come right at him he might kill you, but he has never shown the ability to cut off the ring.
Look at fights like DLH, Hopkins and Reid.
People forget but David Reid was making Tito look foolish. Reid won the first 6 rounds and dropped Tito in the 3rd, then Tito caught Reid flush and the fight was over.[/QUOTE
yes hes a plodder
allround good technique, not exceptional but still good.
A little slow on his feet and not overly agile
but ...........BIG PUNCH
tri4ben2 01-14-2005, 07:51 AM All fighters have have parts of their games that are a little weak, it is all about how you maximise your strenghs and minimise your weaknesses.
Trinidad's weaknesses are footspeed and chin.
That is why Wright would have been such a good matchup.
There is no such thing as the perfect fighter, but I would give trinidad a shot with anybody 175 and down.
if tito were a super hero you could select on a video game, his strengths/weaknesses on a scale from 1 to 10 (1 being bad, 10 being good) his stats would read like this
Conditioning - 9
Power - 15
Accuracy - 10
Foot Speed - 5
Technique - 8
Hand Speed - 9
Chin - 7 (its really not that bad as people make it out to be, just like JMM was put on his ass against PAC, flash KD's)
i agree w/ the guy that said that as long as your strengths outweigh your weaknesses by a lot, then you're in a good position. he lost to arguably the best middle weight in the last 20 years. not too shabby. kellerman has always disliked tito, he prefers the mayweathers, sweet pea's and roy jones' of the world. he has an obsession w/ fighters who fight w/ fluidity, which tito is not, atleast never on his legs. but his arms move like no one else in the game if you ask me, except for JMM w/ his combos.
brownhw 01-14-2005, 08:51 AM Tito has boxing skills. If you watch his early fights before and soon after he became a welter champ you would see Tito moving in and out, up and down constantly. He used his jab to come in and he went to the body every round. He became to dependent on his power and overconfident in his KO style winning. Against Mayorga he made a concerted effort to move from side to side. He used his jab consistanty to get in on Ricardo and showed his cat like reflexes are still there by getting under and away from punches. The only thing I wanted to see more of was the body work, hopefully his camp will see that to. The power will always be there. The resolve will always be there. If Tito uses his boxing skills to control the fight and works the body a little each round, he can't be beaten. At least not as he was against Hopkins. As far as Tito beating smaller, older guys, Joppy was in his prime and had never taken a beating. Reid did not win the first six rounds (what fight did you see?), yes he did make Tito miss, but Tito kept coming and Tito made him pay! He did not fall down and writhe in pain or moan like DLH did against BH. He always gives his all and is a great fighter. An all time great. All fighters have weakneses, but the great ones win anyway and that is what Tito has done. JUST WIN BABY!
jack_the_rippuh 01-14-2005, 10:15 AM Big puncher, good finisher, but somewhat one-dimensional, and is a ***** for retiring.
That's how I see it..
ferociouso 01-14-2005, 10:43 AM I seen almost all trinidads fight and I must say. He has extraordinary power and has one off the best left hooks off the scene. Bernard hopkins just came with the best game plan and overpowered him every round. Against Vargas Tito knocked down vargas twice in the 1st if that didn't happen I could see Vargas winning the fight. In his fight with De La Hoya he was dominated from beginning till end it's absurd tito went home with a victory that day cause Oscar was giving him a boxing lesson. The future looks bright for tito (hopkins 40 years old) I think he will take over the middleweight division at the end of this or maybe next year. I don't see Hopkins continuing till he is 45. I hope Vargas is any good at 160 and quartey and it could really become the best division in the sport: quartey, Sturm, Vargas, Joppy, Taylor, Tito, I just hope it lives up to the expectations who will tell what's gonna happen?
bigdlb12 01-14-2005, 12:15 PM What a idiot. Joppy wasn't shot nor old when Trinidad faught him.ET I mean Joppy went 12 rounds with hopkins, and trinidad ko joppy in what 4 or 5 rounds. so yeah I agree joppy wasnt shot, what bothers me is if tito can ko joppy in 4 or 5 while hopkins went 12 rounds, how was hopkins able to ko DLH, has tito's power improved that much? :confused:
it is clear that tito hit harder
i love watching tito..... he's limited and you'll never mistake him for sugar ray, but he's usually a blast to watch, win or lose....
puppy_dogg 01-14-2005, 12:41 PM i love watching tito..... he's limited and you'll never mistake him for sugar ray, but he's usually a blast to watch, win or lose....
i feel the same way. hes a good warrior to watch, i can understand if someone does'nt like tito but its hard to understand how someone could not like to watch tito.
johnson for #5.......come on guru, you can do better than that :D
jack_the_rippuh 01-14-2005, 01:47 PM ET I mean Joppy went 12 rounds with hopkins, and trinidad ko joppy in what 4 or 5 rounds. so yeah I agree joppy wasnt shot, what bothers me is if tito can ko joppy in 4 or 5 while hopkins went 12 rounds, how was hopkins able to ko DLH, has tito's power improved that much? :confused:
it is clear that tito hit harder
Styles make fights and their outcomes..
m00ks 01-14-2005, 01:58 PM Very good fighter who puts his punchers well. Has tremendous power when he connects. Can't deal with boxers and movers. Can be badly outboxed as it has been proven in the past. I don't think anybody can out-trade him though, the other guy will be sleeping before he does.
m00ks 01-14-2005, 02:01 PM ET I mean Joppy went 12 rounds with hopkins, and trinidad ko joppy in what 4 or 5 rounds. so yeah I agree joppy wasnt shot, what bothers me is if tito can ko joppy in 4 or 5 while hopkins went 12 rounds, how was hopkins able to ko DLH, has tito's power improved that much? :confused:
it is clear that tito hit harder
Hokins KO'd DLH because the latter didn't moved as much as he did against Tito. B-hop POUNCED on him when he did move and trapped him. He got in good short shots, while Tito chased. Tito hits harder.
Mr. Ryan 01-14-2005, 02:54 PM Trinidad, in my 17 years on this planet, is the greatest fighter I have ever seen. Keep in mind, though, that I only started watching boxing seriously in 1999. The way he fights is just amazing. He was headed to the Hall of Fame by 1999, but the fight that made him a great was the Vargas fight. The way he finished so strong is amazing.
borikua 01-14-2005, 03:42 PM Great fighter and one of the most exciting fighters of all time...
And to the guy that started this thread...chek out:
Tito-Campas
Tito-Blocker
Tito-Lovato
Tito-Garcia
Tito-Oba Carr
Tito-Troy Waters
Tito-Thiam
He is one of the best fighters of this era, others would have to be roy jones and dlh. just my opinion dont shoot me over it
borikua 01-14-2005, 04:34 PM ET I mean Joppy went 12 rounds with hopkins, and trinidad ko joppy in what 4 or 5 rounds. so yeah I agree joppy wasnt shot, what bothers me is if tito can ko joppy in 4 or 5 while hopkins went 12 rounds, how was hopkins able to ko DLH, has tito's power improved that much? :confused:
it is clear that tito hit harder
Hop was able to KO DLH cuz DLH stand in front of him much more that he did against Tito....Come on ppl, DLH moved and boxed the first 7-8 rds against Tito but the last 4-5 rounds he was running, not boxing, running scared of being hit by Tito...
Tha Greatest 01-14-2005, 04:47 PM Great fighter and one of the most exciting fighters of all time...
And to the guy that started this thread...chek out:
Tito-Campas
Tito-Blocker
Tito-Lovato
Tito-Garcia
Tito-Oba Carr
Tito-Troy Waters
Tito-Thiam
thx a lot man i'll watch em tonite
m00ks 01-14-2005, 05:25 PM Hop was able to KO DLH cuz DLH stand in front of him much more that he did against Tito....Come on ppl, DLH moved and boxed the first 7-8 rds against Tito but the last 4-5 rounds he was running, not boxing, running scared of being hit by Tito...
No he wasn't scared buddy. He just tried to take insurance. If he was TRULLY scared, he wouldn't have won that many rounds early and would hav estarted running from the sound of the bell.
borikua 01-14-2005, 06:03 PM No he wasn't scared buddy. He just tried to take insurance. If he was TRULLY scared, he wouldn't have won that many rounds early and would hav estarted running from the sound of the bell.
"I would love to fight Tito again and I will even move up in weight to fight him. This time it will be different I will not run like I did in our first fight. I ran because I thought I had it won and, of course, because Tito hits very hard and I didn't want to get hit by him, but next time I will fight smarter." said De La Hoya during a press conference after the Shane Mosely fight.
Powerpunch4u 01-14-2005, 07:27 PM Originally Posted by borikua
Hop was able to KO DLH cuz DLH stand in front of him much more that he did against Tito....Come on ppl, DLH moved and boxed the first 7-8 rds against Tito but the last 4-5 rounds he was running, not boxing, running scared of being hit by Tito...
When have you seen a boxer that stands infront of another to get knocked out. Get real buddy, ofcourse ODLH wouldn't stand infront. He uses movement and footwork to avoid punches just like any other good fighter. Tito is fun to watch against other brawlers his size. He got overhyped because he beat Joppy, but Joppy was clearly not at Hopkins level. Tito can still have a great career but he should forget about Hopkins.
AeroSixxDynamite 01-14-2005, 07:32 PM My assesment on Trinidad:
Thremendous puncher, partially because he is accurate with his punches, and partially his power is a gift from mother nature. I study fitness and nutrition in college and asses that Trinidad is a fast-twitch athlete. His muscle fiber makeup (not mass) enables him are able to generate much more power and explosion than most. Some people are born with this, some aren't. Trinidad was.
One notices that he is a slow starter. Usually in the first/early round(s) his workrate is low because he is feeling out his opponent. What is he going to throw? What is his stance like when he's going to throw a jab, hook, uppercut etc.? Usually, by the second round he knows and usually lands a perfectly timed bomb of a counterpunch on his usually wide-open opponent that rattles him and shifts the momentum of the match.
Trinidad's physique is relatively unimpressive. Yet he is in phenominal condition. The guy's a marathon runner w/ the explosiveness of a powerlifter. Opponents see his skinny upper-body and think that they can stand toe to toe against him, until they get hit by a powerhouse left hook, or a bomb of a right cross. Perhaps this is one of Trinidad's assets: Deception.
Trinidad did carry his power up with him to Middleweight, and probably even improved it, but he did not bring his chin. He still has a welterweight chin, hence his tendency to get knocked down.
Trinidad is a very good boxer. Yes, I said boxer. He is smart, knows his strengths. Studys his opponents. Not at Bernard Hopkins' level in this category, but is very smart. People who come after him will swallow counterpunch after counterpunch.
He will have trouble with movers. Why? Because he simply has problems with movers, fact is a fact. He cannot set on the move, and cannot throw punches at angles, prefers to throw punches one at a time instead of in combination, and has trouble hitting a moving target.
Trinidad is older, wiser, & probably in better physical condition since his 2 year layoff. He had time to heal whatever cumulative wear and tear he had recieved throughout his career and begin with a fresher mindset. He has nothing but good things ahead of him. I give him a puncher's chance against Bernard Hopkins if they ever rematch, but he will not be the favorite, and deservedly so.
borikua 01-14-2005, 07:38 PM My assesment on Trinidad:
Thremendous puncher, partially because he is accurate with his punches, and partially his power is a gift from mother nature. I study fitness and nutrition in college and asses that Trinidad is a fast-twitch athlete. His muscle fiber makeup (not mass) enables him are able to generate much more power and explosion than most. Some people are born with this, some aren't. Trinidad was.
One notices that he is a slow starter. Usually in the first/early round(s) his workrate is low because he is feeling out his opponent. What is he going to throw? What is his stance like when he's going to throw a jab, hook, uppercut etc.? Usually, by the second round he knows and usually lands a perfectly timed bomb of a counterpunch on his usually wide-open opponent that rattles him and shifts the momentum of the match.
Trinidad's physique is relatively unimpressive. Yet he is in phenominal condition. The guy's a marathon runner w/ the explosiveness of a powerlifter. Opponents see his skinny upper-body and think that they can stand toe to toe against him, until they get hit by a powerhouse left hook, or a bomb of a right cross. Perhaps this is one of Trinidad's assets: Deception.
Trinidad did carry his power up with him to Middleweight, and probably even improved it, but he did not bring his chin. He still has a welterweight chin, hence his tendency to get knocked down.
Trinidad is a very good boxer. Yes, I said boxer. He is smart, knows his strengths. Studys his opponents. Not at Bernard Hopkins' level in this category, but is very smart. People who come after him will swallow counterpunch after counterpunch.
He will have trouble with movers. Why? Because he simply has problems with movers, fact is a fact. He cannot set on the move, and cannot throw punches at angles, prefers to throw punches one at a time instead of in combination, and has trouble hitting a moving target.
Trinidad is older, wiser, & probably in better physical condition since his 2 year layoff. He had time to heal whatever cumulative wear and tear he had recieved throughout his career and begin with a fresher mindset. He has nothing but good things ahead of him. I give him a puncher's chance against Bernard Hopkins if they ever rematch, but he will not be the favorite, and deservedly so.
damn...great post...ASD
m00ks 01-14-2005, 07:45 PM "I would love to fight Tito again and I will even move up in weight to fight him. This time it will be different I will not run like I did in our first fight. I ran because I thought I had it won and, of course, because Tito hits very hard and I didn't want to get hit by him, but next time I will fight smarter." said De La Hoya during a press conference after the Shane Mosely fight.
lol well then...ehemm...good day. :D
But hnoestly it doesnt make sense. I think he meant different. How do you take on a fight and expect NOT to get hit?
AeroSixxDynamite 01-14-2005, 08:10 PM damn...great post...ASD
thanks, borikua.
Say, that video clip on your sig....kinda reminds me of Judah's chicken dance vs. Tzysu. Funny *****. :D
nelsoncm 01-14-2005, 08:31 PM I see Tito as a phenomenal athlete.
His frame is unimpressive but packs one of the biggest two-fisted punch pound for pound.
He has a lot of natural stamina, as exhibited by his fight against Mayorga after months of inactivity.
His heart is unquestionable.
ottoevans 01-14-2005, 09:08 PM Tito is one dimentional, and if he was promoted by someone else besides King we wouldnt be talking about him. The only time Tito has been put against a fighter who can challange him he lost. B-Hop and Oscar. B-hop dominated him all night, and Oscar did the same until he backed off. And even when Oscar backed off Tito didnt do anything to win the rounds, Oscar just gave them away. People are also confused in beleiving Tito is back better than ever. It took him over 7 rounds to get rid of a out of shape welterweight fighting at Middle who didnt no how to box but just stick is face to block his punches. Also Tito got hit was to many times against a fighter who throw very wide shots that can be seen from a mile away. The only problem was that Mayorga didnt have the power to do damage at Middleweight although he did stunned Tito just once in the fight (not the knockdown). But since Tito is Don Kings son, he wont fight anyone who could pose a threat against him. So he will proably fight a few guys whos styles are made for Tito and end his career as a hero.
BrooklynBomber 01-14-2005, 09:18 PM Trinidad is a great fighter with some flaws but with the potential to become an all-time great. I enjoy watch him fight mainly because he is more of a warrior than boxer-puncher.
He has good boxing ability but sometimes seems to forget to use it. He can trade with almost anyone, but when he fights with someone who has good footwork and skill he can be outboxed. So besides his poor footwork and so-so chin he is a VERY good fighter and future Hall of Famer.
(Tszyu Crew)
adeelr 01-14-2005, 10:09 PM Tito is an average boxer with abnormal power. Like what was said, if you stay in front of him he looks amazing. You box Tito & hit him from angles, he looks looks ordinary because he seems limited.
Tito is not just an average fighter. he has fought everyone and beat them convincingly. As for the hopkins fight, hopkins was just too big for him, Tito still looked and fought like a welterweight. you can see the size difference clearly when you see the fight. Tito should get another chance with hopkins and it is quite probable that he will prove himself this time. what also makes this fighter great is that after coming from such a long period of inactivity, he took a fight with Mayorga (who is known for his freakish chin, power and knockout of vernon forest) and made him look like nothing and knocked him out with total domination. Now how many fighters have come back from retirement and shown this kind of ring generalship. Trinidad is one of the very few, and he is back to take his belts.
Truth 01-14-2005, 10:15 PM Trinidad is great without a doubt
BrooklynBomber 01-14-2005, 10:23 PM Hopkins did not beat tito just because he was bigger. It was more of a combination of size, skill, power and ring experience which Hopkins undoubtly posseses on a highest level. Titi is damn good but not as good as Hopkins.
(Tszyu Crew)
Pullcounter 01-14-2005, 10:34 PM Tito is a very exciting and strong one dimensional fighter.
SweetScience 01-15-2005, 12:09 AM Trinidad, in my 17 years on this planet, is the greatest fighter I have ever seen. Keep in mind, though, that I only started watching boxing seriously in 1999. The way he fights is just amazing. He was headed to the Hall of Fame by 1999, but the fight that made him a great was the Vargas fight. The way he finished so strong is amazing.
You need alot of catching up to do, to actually have some idea what's boxing.
IwatchBoxing 01-15-2005, 02:34 AM In simple terms( unlike "one dimensional" and his "foot work sucks"), He is a great fighter, who fights the best, beats the best, while giving people there moneys worth. Having bad footing, ain't stoped him yet.
nelsoncm 01-15-2005, 03:24 AM Tito is one dimentional, and if he was promoted by someone else besides King we wouldnt be talking about him. The only time Tito has been put against a fighter who can challange him he lost. B-Hop and Oscar. B-hop dominated him all night, and Oscar did the same until he backed off. And even when Oscar backed off Tito didnt do anything to win the rounds, Oscar just gave them away. People are also confused in beleiving Tito is back better than ever. It took him over 7 rounds to get rid of a out of shape welterweight fighting at Middle who didnt no how to box but just stick is face to block his punches. Also Tito got hit was to many times against a fighter who throw very wide shots that can be seen from a mile away. The only problem was that Mayorga didnt have the power to do damage at Middleweight although he did stunned Tito just once in the fight (not the knockdown). But since Tito is Don Kings son, he wont fight anyone who could pose a threat against him. So he will proably fight a few guys whos styles are made for Tito and end his career as a hero.
Can you name a fighter in his prime whom Tito didn't take on?
kadyo 01-15-2005, 03:32 AM The best fighter beaten by Hopkins? :D
Floydmayweather 01-15-2005, 04:08 AM I dont care for Tito at all but i admit he is a real good fighter. He has great punching power, a pretty solid chin, and he puts his punches together nicely. He struggles against real stylistic boxers but he has my respect. I say a 7 out of 10.
Sue_B 01-15-2005, 11:08 AM I think he is good. :o
Powerpunch4u 01-17-2005, 12:37 AM I love to watch Tito fight and I think he is great fighter but some of you guys are pathetic. His KO power is greater than Hopkins which is obvious when comparing their fight against, but thats where his advantage ends. He is not a better boxer than Oscar nor Hopkins and his power did not increase after his layoff. The Mayorga KO only proved that anyone who drops their hands against a strong and accurate puncher is an idiot. Hopkins and Oscar's advantage over Tito is that they both have better skills and a better chin that him. His punching power was neutralized by Hopkin's strong chin and great boxing skills and it will happen again if they box again.
triggerhappy 01-17-2005, 01:28 AM tito sucks
I love to watch Tito fight and I think he is great fighter but some of you guys are pathetic. His KO power is greater than Hopkins which is obvious when comparing their fight against, but thats where his advantage ends. He is not a better boxer than Oscar nor Hopkins and his power did not increase after his layoff. The Mayorga KO only proved that anyone who drops their hands against a strong and accurate puncher is an idiot. Hopkins and Oscar's advantage over Tito is that they both have better skills and a better chin that him. His punching power was neutralized by Hopkin's strong chin and great boxing skills and it will happen again if they box again.
Good Psot! Tito is a great fighter there is no doubt however I don't know if there is a fighter with his kind of flaws that will ever be as great as Tito.
The guy can't box...he eats jabs for breakfast and routinely takes a seat on the canvas...when he was a young champion he was repeatedly outboxed the first four rounds of every fight...you would wonder what the **** the hype is all about and then in the fifth the left hook would finally come and would change the entire fight if not end it.
With Tito if you know how to box and move you can disconnect his power...he can't throw punches while moving...he just becomes an inactive follower.
Not to bash Tito too much, he is as good a puncher as anyone I have ever seen (Ill Take the Hawk)and that power has made him great...again with Tito's skills it is amazing to me how great he truly is...but if we are taking a 360 degree look at Felix and being straight up as objective as possible the guy has and always will have serious holes in his game...his power is such that most of the holes are covered up.
Hopkins and Oscar both exsposed him NArd finished what he had started and Oscar cruised...Tito will be outclassed again and I have a feeling it won't be by a guy who's name is as big as the above mentioned...I think Felix Sturm has some chance of beating Tito...he must move better than he did against Oscar but Sturm's jab is really good and if you watch the Joppy fight and the ten million jabs that bounced off Tito's face you know Sturm will at least equal that...hopfeully he knows how to keep his hands up.
Soundtraveler 01-17-2005, 03:26 PM Here is exactly what I think of Trinidad:
And that's about it....
jabsRstiff 01-17-2005, 03:37 PM "All Trinidad has..is power"
Wrong.
All Pipino Cuevas had was power. All Earnie Shavers, Cyclone Hart, John Mugabi had, was power.
Trinidad is a brilliant offensive fighter.
Unlike those mentioned above....he's patient...he throws beautiful punches.....he's economical....he's accurate...he sets his shots up...
His defense is his biggest liabilty...but has obviously been good enough to make him one of the most successful (not just monetarily) fighters of the last twenty years.
Name one PURE PUNCHER who has acheived what he has....
"He has trouble with slick boxers"
Uhhhh, what fighter doesn't ?
He is a brilliant offensive fighter but as you said he has problems with slick fighters...he is not a great offensive fighter against slick boxers....against Oscar and Nard he was anything but great...they moved around and gave him different looks and his power was disconnected...
Tito is one of the greatest fighters of my lifetime, my point is that it is incredible to me to think about all of his holes and in the same breath think about is dominance as a fighter...ok you got me he has more than power, but power is the reason why he is great...if Tito had a good punch and not a great punch he would not be a great fighter.
Pinoy_Texan 01-17-2005, 04:28 PM Tito has got to be one of the best finisher today, maybe even all time. The kid can smell a KO from a mile away. He ain't the most graceful but he alway comes to fight. That's why I like the kid.
Knicksman20 01-17-2005, 07:18 PM Tito is not just an average fighter. he has fought everyone and beat them convincingly. As for the hopkins fight, hopkins was just too big for him, Tito still looked and fought like a welterweight. you can see the size difference clearly when you see the fight. Tito should get another chance with hopkins and it is quite probable that he will prove himself this time. what also makes this fighter great is that after coming from such a long period of inactivity, he took a fight with Mayorga (who is known for his freakish chin, power and knockout of vernon forest) and made him look like nothing and knocked him out with total domination. Now how many fighters have come back from retirement and shown this kind of ring generalship. Trinidad is one of the very few, and he is back to take his belts.
Read my post again. I said average boxer not fighter. 2nd, he fought a blown up welterweight that had no business figting at 160lbs. Mayo has no defense & stood in front of Tito all night & it took him a while before fianlly getting him out of there. If Tito was confident he could take Bhop, then they'd be in talks for a future fight. Bhops would still give Tito the beat-down of his life because of his versatility.
LittleBigMan 01-17-2005, 09:16 PM Trinidad is amazing. Without a doubt, one of the greatest, if not the greatest, boxers of my generation. His resume beats any current fighter in the world today if you ask me.
gustang1969 01-17-2005, 09:40 PM someone said tito doesnt do much in the ring but what he does do he does it great and with great accuracy you know yeah we all know he has power but still he has only lost once even though i thought de la hoya took him to school i wonder if in the rematch if it ever happens tito will beat de la hoya down i really hope there is a rematch and de la hoya finally finishes the job so they will finally consider de la hoya the great boxer that i believe him to be
LittleBigMan 01-17-2005, 10:44 PM Trinidad, in my 17 years on this planet, is the greatest fighter I have ever seen. Keep in mind, though, that I only started watching boxing seriously in 1999. The way he fights is just amazing. He was headed to the Hall of Fame by 1999, but the fight that made him a great was the Vargas fight. The way he finished so strong is amazing.
we are in the same boat, brotha
m00ks 01-18-2005, 07:02 PM can anybody translate what trinidad was saying during his entrance in the de la hoya fight?
LittleBigMan 01-18-2005, 07:04 PM probably "De La Hoya is a little girl. I will show him how a man fights"
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