http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_bin_laden

By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer
31 minutes ago



CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Jazeera on Thursday aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, who says al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce "with fair conditions."

The tape's release came days after a U.S. airstrike in Pakistan that was targeting bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and reportedly killed four leading al-Qaida figures, including possibly al-Zawahri's son-in-law. There was no mention of the attack on the segments that were broadcast.

It was the first purported tape from the al-Qaida leader in more than a year — the longest period without a message since the Sept. 11 2001 suicide hijackings in the United States.

Al-Jazeera said the tape was recorded in the Islamic month that corresponds with December.

The speaker refers to an alleged comment by President Bush about bombing the Qatar headquarters of Al-Jazeera, which was first reported in the British press on Nov. 22.

He also refers indirectly to the July 7 bombings in London that killed 56 people and to poll numbers that showed a fall in Bush's popularity, as occurred in late 2005.

The voice on the tape said he was directing his message to the American people after polls showed that "an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq but (Bush) opposed that desire."

He said insurgents were winning the conflict in Iraq and warned that security measures in the West and the United States could not prevent attacks there.

"The proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of European nations," he said "The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your homes the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission."

The speaker did not give conditions for a truce in the excerpts aired by Al-Jazeera.

"We do not mind offering you a long-term truce with fair conditions that we adhere to," he said. "We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war.

"There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America," he said.

There was no immediate confirmation of the tape's authenticity, although the voice resembled that of bin Laden's in previous messages.

The last audiotape purported to be from bin Laden was broadcast in December 2004 by Al-Jazeera. In that recording, he endorsed Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi as his deputy in Iraq and called for a boycott of Iraqi elections.

He issued numerous tapes in 2003 and 2004, calling for Muslims to attack U.S. interests and threatening attacks against the United States.

In an April 15, 2004, audiotape, he vowed revenge against the United States for Israel's assassination of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin — and at the same time offered a truce to European countries.

Bin Laden appeared in a video released October 2004, just ahead of U.S. presidential elections, saying the United States can avoid another Sept. 11 attack if it stops threatening the security of Muslims.

Since December 2004, bin Laden's deputy in al-Qaida, al-Zawahri, has issued a number of video and audiotapes, including one claiming responsibility for the London attacks, which he said came after Europe rejected the terms of a truce al-Qaida had previously offered them.

Al-Jazeera's editor-in-chief Ahmed al-Sheik would not comment on when or where the tape was received. He said the full tape was 10 minutes long. The station aired four excerpts with what it "considered newsworthy," he said, but would not say what was on the remainder.




What a bunch of bull****.

I heard he was giving up this Bin Laden character after he released that greatest hits album :confused: .

Bin Laden's hiding abilities are very underrated.

if the american government wanted to find him they could do it in a second

Bin Ladens been dead for well over a year, all these audio tapes are not from him. If he was alive, he would be taunting GWB on video tapes, but the Bush adminastration knows it, hes dead. But they continue this war on terror because there is a lot in it for them.

America and Britain need to realise that they will lose the war on terror period....

Also they need to realise that they add fuel to the fire of terror....

Bin Laden's hiding abilities are very underrated.
Yeah man, I once offered him a game of "Hide 'n' Sikh" but he wouldnt agree to play.

He would have kicked my butt anyway. :(

I hear in the part Al-Jazeera didn't release he *****es about Evander Hoylfield's early departure from the ballroom dancing show.

Also they need to realise that they add fuel to the fire of terror....
So you're saying we bring the attacks on ourselves?

....I was going to post this very article. Sounds like that mother ****er is bending over to me. He is getting his ass kicked all over the place and wants a truce. ha ha ha Not until your turbin and the turbin of all of your kind is in flames mother ****er. Apparently he he has had enough of hiding like a ****roach, losing thousands of terrorists a day, and smelling his own ass that hasn't been washed in a civilized place for months at a time. This is what separates the American resolve from the Euro resolve. He knows we won't bend and bow to the rest of the liberal world and the terrorists and he is now prepared to kiss our ass. Good luck with that.

....I was going to post this very article. Sounds like that mother ****er is bending over to me. He is getting his ass kicked all over the place and wants a truce. ha ha ha Not until your turbin and the turbin of all of your kind is in flames mother ****er. Apparently he he has had enough of hiding like a ****roach, losing thousands of terrorists a day, and smelling his own ass that hasn't been washed in a civilized place for months at a time. This is what separates the American resolve from the Euro resolve. He knows we won't bend and bow to the rest of the liberal world and the terrorists and he is now prepared to kiss our ass. Good luck with that.

God damn I love this guy. :cool:

So you're saying we bring the attacks on ourselves?
We, as a western society, arent helping the situation and in fact we could be perceived as provoking violence.

I will say that much.

We, as a western society, arent helping the situation and in fact we could be perceived as provoking violence.

I will say that much.
We are provoking these bastards?

How?

By going balls to the wall in full retaliation for their heinous crimes against civilian targets? We could be another Sweden, and we'd still get attacked. The terrorists view us as capitalist infidels that shouldn't be allowed to draw another breath.

How would you go about helping the situation?

We, as a western society, arent helping the situation and in fact we could be perceived as provoking violence.

I will say that much.


...Your absolutely right. We should roll over for this guy and let him drop a couple more towers. We should invite them into our homes to rape our wives and stink up the joint. We should be singing and holding hands with these freedom fighters. Hell, they are just misunderstood that's all. In fact, just because he asked nicely, we should appologize for everything we have ever done to defend ourselves and our allies, kiss his hairy, smelly ass, and agree to all of his demands in any future situation. We, as a Western society, owe it to this poor man and his god fearing followers.

We are provoking these bastards?

How?

By going balls to the wall in full retaliation for their heinous crimes against civilian targets? We could be another Sweden, and we'd still get attacked. The terrorists view us as capitalist infidels that shouldn't be allowed to draw another breath.

How would you go about helping the situation?
Ok, firstly we armed half of these "bastards" that you speak of.

Second of all, we have a conflict going on in the middle east that is being funded by western powers.

And thridly i would solve it by getting the **** out of Iraq, after all we are in there for no reason whatsoever, and i would also try to rebuild the relations that we (as British, i dont know about Americans)once had with the Arab states... good relations.

Ok, firstly we armed half of these "bastards" that you speak of.

Second of all, we have a conflict going on in the middle east that is being funded by western powers.

And thridly i would solve it by getting the **** out of Iraq, after all we are in there for no reason whatsoever, and i would also try to rebuild the relations that we (as British, i dont know about Americans)once had with the Arab states... good relations.


you know that half the **** goin down in the middle east is because of british and french colonization. just a thought.

as for bin laden, ive got a truce for him right here ::unzips fly and shows one ball:: yeah, there it is, ya like that?

if the american government wanted to find him they could do it in a second

Remember when there was fighting in the mountains a year 1/2 ago, & the fighting was more intense than it had ever been?? Then we kept giving them time to negoiate??

I'd bet money he was there & escaping out the back way all while that deal making crap was going on, or destraction might be a better word.....

I will say this I am just disappointed that we have been in Iraq for nearly 3 years and ousted a brutal dicator yes but one who was not a direct threat to our homeland while we did not find bin Laden the one who already struck our homeland and that ****er is going to get us again (god forbid)but you ****ing watch and then maybe our leaders will get their **** straight and prioritize the "War on Terror" better all they did in Iraq is make more ****ers hate us regardless if the democracy works or not. :mad:

you know that half the **** goin down in the middle east is because of british and french colonization. just a thought.

as for bin laden, ive got a truce for him right here ::unzips fly and shows one ball:: yeah, there it is, ya like that?
Down to British and French colonization?

No, the problems in Israel and Palestine, and the illegal occupation of the Palestinian territory has nothing to do with that. And thats what i was referring to when i said "middle east"....

....I was going to post this very article. Sounds like that mother ****er is bending over to me. He is getting his ass kicked all over the place and wants a truce. ha ha ha Not until your turbin and the turbin of all of your kind is in flames mother ****er. Apparently he he has had enough of hiding like a ****roach, losing thousands of terrorists a day, and smelling his own ass that hasn't been washed in a civilized place for months at a time. This is what separates the American resolve from the Euro resolve. He knows we won't bend and bow to the rest of the liberal world and the terrorists and he is now prepared to kiss our ass. Good luck with that.

Come on, you know the truce is a bunch of bull****. There just waiting for our troops to leave the Middle East so they can bring more chaos to the area and control it again.

Dunno why we worried so much over Iraq, I always thought that the Al-Qaida were a much bigger threat than Saddam. Hell, we've gone about 15 years without any immediate threats from Saddam.

Although it was time for his bullying bull**** to end.

I will say this I am just disappointed that we have been in Iraq for nearly 3 years and ousted a brutal dicator yes but one who was not a direct threat to our homeland while we did not find bin Laden the one who already struck our homeland and that ****er is going to get us again (god forbid)but you ****ing watch and then maybe our leaders will get their **** straight and prioritize the "War on Terror" better all they did in Iraq is make more ****ers hate us regardless if the democracy works or not. :mad:

I totally agree. Iraq was never as much of a direct threat than bin Laden was.

sounds like BS to me.

if the american government wanted to find him they could do it in a second

o shut the hell up..thats so dumb..

why is is so dumb they have the technology it took them months after 9/11 to even start to look then they only looked for a bout 3 weeks then started a bull**** war in iraq

I think Bin Laden was killed during the Tora Bora bombing. How in the hell the whole world is looking for you & you still find a way to hide, it doesn't make any sense to me.

bin laden is an ******* and so are we for not catching him already.

i agree, there's no way that the US, which has satellites that can literally take a picture of the newspaper youre reading, couldnt find a 6'5'' turban wearing 65 year old on dialysis. hes either dead or in custody.

He's got some legitimate beefs. The USA does have a double standard in the ME, we have to accept that. Ie Israel can have WMD's but Iran cant?

On the other side, his methods of expressing his anger are dead wrong. He should just write a book about it, not harm innocents.

I wish Bin Laden would do some drum and bass mixes or something.

:D

So long as me and mine are safe, I dont give a flying f*ck what happens.

I wish Bin Laden would do some drum and bass mixes or something.
Perhaps Punjabi MC is Bin Laden in disguise? :confused:

Ok, firstly we armed half of these "bastards" that you speak of.

Second of all, we have a conflict going on in the middle east that is being funded by western powers.

And thridly i would solve it by getting the **** out of Iraq, after all we are in there for no reason whatsoever, and i would also try to rebuild the relations that we (as British, i dont know about Americans)once had with the Arab states... good relations.
So because we armed a nation roughly 20-30 years ago, so they could represent our common goal in the region, in turn it's fair for them to attack us? Because afterall, they're using our own majorly out-dated weapons against us. :confused:

That conflict isn't just funded by the West, we're the major players who're directly involved over there, so I don't see your point.

Basically, you think the way to get out of this war, and accomplish what needs to be done, is to tuck tail and leave Iraq before they're ready to stand alone as a soverign nation? That could possibly be the single worst thing we could do right now.

So because we armed a nation roughly 20-30 years ago, so they could represent our common goal in the region, in turn it's fair for them to attack us? Because afterall, they're using our own majorly out-dated weapons against us. :confused:


It's not right, but it shouldn't come as a suprise. You feed a rabid dog some raw meat then you shouldn't be surprised that it breaks down your door looking for more.

It's not right, but it shouldn't come as a suprise. You feed a rabid dog some raw meat then you shouldn't be surprised that it breaks down your door looking for more.
It doesn't come as a shock to me at all, not many things do, but that doesn't make any of this **** right. Just because these backwards ****s got armed by us when they where our allies over a period of time, that doesn't justify them in doing what they do.

Usually, I try to say reasonable things and appear to be cordial. But:

**** Bin Laden.
**** a "truce".
**** terrorists.
**** people who sympathize with terrorists and try to make moral equivalence between them and us.

Usually, I try to say reasonable things and appear to be cordial. But:

**** Bin Laden.
**** a "truce".
**** terrorists.
**** people who sympathize with terrorists and try to make moral equivalence between them and us.
All very true statements.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060120/ap_on_go_ot/us_al_qaida_tape_26

By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer
Fri Jan 20, 8:10 AM ET



WASHINGTON - Rejecting a suggestion by Osama bin Laden of a negotiated truce in the war on terror, Vice President Dick Cheney said there was only one way to deal with terrorists. "I think you have to destroy them," Cheney said.

The vague offer of a truce — coupled with a threat of another attack on the U.S. — was made in an audiotape released by the Arab television network Al-Jazeera. It brought new attention to the al-Qaida leader after a yearlong lull in his public statements.

U.S. security officials said Thursday there were currently no plans to raise the nation's security threat level because of the new tape.

Counterterror officials said they have seen no specific or credible intelligence to indicate an upcoming al-Qaida attack. Nor have they noticed an uptick in terrorist communications "chatter" — although that can dramatically increase or decrease immediately before an attack.

On the tape, bin Laden warned that his fighters are preparing new attacks in the United States but offered the American people a "long-term truce" without specifying the conditions.

But Cheney, in a television interview, rejected that suggestion, saying "We don't negotiate with terrorists."

"I think you have to destroy them," he told Fox News Channel. "It's the only way to deal with them."

The tape prompted increased security at Los Angeles International Airport and other precautions at the city's port and water and power facilities.

The FBI has asked the 103 joint terrorism task forces and intelligence units at its 56 field offices to re-examine its cases and investigative leads in light of the bin Laden tape. "Do you see something in your area of operation that might be assessed as more significant than it was the day before?" said an FBI official on condition of anonymity because he was discussing an internal FBI communication.

The national terror threat level currently stands at yellow, the middle of five grades, signifying an elevated risk of attack. The government has raised the alert level to orange, signaling a high threat risk, seven times since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"At this time, we lack corroborating information suggesting that al-Qaida is prepared to attack the United States in the near term," said Homeland Security spokeswoman Michelle Petrovich. "But we recognize that al-Qaida remains committed to striking the homeland."

The tape, which Al-Jazeera said was recorded this month, represents bin Laden's first public communication since December 2004. Since then, al-Qaida's No. 2 leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, has served as the terror network's public face.

The recording was released only days after U.S. missile attacks in Pakistan that Pakistani officials said killed four senior al-Qaida operatives.

CIA analysts verified the recording as bin Laden's voice. They offered no details about how they reached that conclusion, but in the past the agency has verified authenticity in part by comparing new recordings to earlier messages.

In the tape, bin Laden spoke in a soft voice, as he has in previous recordings, but his tone was flatter than in the past and had an echo, as if recorded indoors. He presented his message with a combination of threats, vows his followers can fight forever and a tone of reconciliation, insisting he wants to offer a way to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He even recommended a book for Americans to read — "The Rogue State," apparently a book of the same title by American author William Blum. He said it offers the path to peace — that America must apologize to victims of the wars and promise never to "interfere" in other nations — though it was not clear if these were conditions for the truce.

Cheney said the tape showed that al-Qaida has been hobbled, because "they didn't have the ability to do anything on video" and because it had been so long since bin Laden had been heard from.

Still, "I think we have to assume that the threat is going to continue for a considerable period of time." the vice president said. "Even if bin Laden were no longer to be a factor, I still think we'd have problems with al-Qaida."

Homeland Security officials alerted states about bin Laden's comments in a routine call Thursday morning, Petrovich said.

In Los Angeles, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said city police deployed additional resources at their airport and "posted signage indicating that bomb sniffing dogs and searches will occur frequently." He described the measures as precautionary.

Sharon Gang, a spokeswoman for District of Columbia Mayor Anthony A. Williams, said the capital was not raising its terror alert level.

___

Associated Press Writer Mark Sherman contributed to this story.


Is there anybody out there that doesn't agree with the stance presented in this article?

If so, then why?

i agree, there's no way that the US, which has satellites that can literally take a picture of the newspaper youre reading, couldnt find a 6'5'' turban wearing 65 year old on dialysis. hes either dead or in custody.

Not to mention help from many other countries.

I wont enter this thread anymore i dont think....

Smack let me just say, you have your view, i have mine... thats all.






































but i am right though. :D :p

I wont enter this thread anymore i dont think....

Smack let me just say, you have your view, i have mine... thats all.






































but i am right though. :D :p

Hey, I love to argue, feel free to continue it.



P.S. I'm always right.
:cool:

I can't stand all these ****in terrorist. I hope they find bin laden and kill that bastard once and for all.

Bin Laden is NOT dead. That tape last year was also not fake.

Seriously, if you hide in a ****ing desert, nobody will find you.

Bin Ladens been dead for well over a year, all these audio tapes are not from him. If he was alive, he would be taunting GWB on video tapes, but the Bush adminastration knows it, hes dead. But they continue this war on terror because there is a lot in it for them.

Hey guess what!?! Another new tape....We'll show you 28 percent approval...

<img src="http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/july2007/160707osama.jpg"><br /> <br />Another Dubious Osama Tape Appears When The Neo-Cons Need It Most<br /> <br />If Osama Bin Laden really is still alive then the CIA owe him a pay rise for his continued sterling efforts to bail out USS Bush every time the administration is about to capsize, but the reality is that this is just another crude propaganda ploy and the latest installment in a series of hoax terror tapes edited and released by the Neo-Cons at the most politically expedient time.

Whether it's to justify a war, win an election or divert from a scandal, Bin Laden can always be relied upon to come up with the goods and save Bush's bacon.

As soon as the 6 month wait and see period for the "surge" is up and right when Bush's last remaining Republican cheerleaders desert him on Iraq, Bin Laden pops up to remind us all of the necessity of "staying the course" and winning the war on terror by feeding more troops into the meatgrinder.

It's so transparent, a three-year-old could see through the hoax, but the media barely even question it.

In another development over the weekend, ABC News reports that, "Taliban military commander Mansour Dadullah, in an interview broadcast on ABC News' "World News With Charles Gibson," said the London attacks were "not enough" and that bigger attacks were coming."

Right on time, when Homeland Security head Chertoff says there will be an attack, and top Neo-Cons as well as military analysts are inviting one in order to "save a doomed foreign policy," the Taliban, Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda pop up and promise to deliver for their bosses.

"Osama bin Laden stresses the importance of martyrdom for Muslim causes in a videotape that purportedly contains a 50-second message from the al Qaeda leader," reports CNN.

"The videotape, titled "A Special Surprise from As-Sahab. Heaven's Breeze Part I," was made in the last four weeks, but the clips appear to be old, said Octavia Nasr, CNN's senior editor for Arab affairs. There is no indication of where it was shot, and CNN cannot verify its authenticity."

But don't for a minute take the media's claim of "authenticity" as anything other than a worthless platitude, because every time a new tape is released they fail to even mention the fact that the majority of these videos in the past have been at best slapped together old footage or in some cases outright hoaxes that led directly back to the federal government, the Pentagon and the CIA.

The most obvious example of this occurred in October last year, when footage depicting two of the alleged 9/11 hijackers laughing as well as a Bin Laden speech was purportedly released by Al-Qaeda's media arm.

In reality, as our report outlined, the U.S. government had been in possession of the footage since 2001. How? Because they filmed it!

Segments of the video that were interspersed with footage of the "laughing hijackers," Jarrah and Atta, showing Bin Laden giving a speech to an audience in Afghanistan on January 8 2000, were culled from what terror experts described as surveillance footage taken by a "security agency."

Furthermore, film of the Bin Laden speech, reported by the dominant media as new footage, was previously broadcast in the UK docudrama The Road to Guantanamo, which was first seen on British television nearly seven months before the release of the tape in March 2006.

News reports at the time contained the admission that the U.S. government had been in possession of the footage since 2002, while others said it was found when the United States invaded Afghanistan in 2001, and yet it was still bizarrely reported that the tape, bearing all the hallmarks of having been filmed and edited by undercover US intelligence and having admittedly been in US possession for five years, was released over the weekend of October 1st 2006 by "Al-Qaeda".

IntelCenter, the group which is also behind the latest Bin Laden tape, is the middleman between Al-Qaeda's alleged media arm, As-Sahab, and the mainstream media - they acquire the tapes and pass them on to the press, and have occasionally even predicted when tapes would be released beforehand.

All the more interesting therefore, as our previous investigation discovered, that IntelCenter is run by Ben Venzke, who used to be the director of intelligence at a company called IDEFENSE, which is a Verisign company. IDEFENSE is a web security company that monitors intelligence from the Middle East conflicts and focuses on cyber threats among other things.

It is also heavily populated with long serving ex-military intelligence officials.

The Director of Threat intelligence, Jim Melnick, served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and worked in psychological operations. From the IDEFENSE website:

Prior to joining iDefense, Mr. Melnick served with distinction for more than 16 years in the U.S. Army and the Defense Intelligence Agency. During this period, Mr. Melnick served in a variety of roles, including psychological operations, international warning issues with emphasis on foreign affairs and information operations and Russian affairs. He also served in active political/military intelligence roles with an emphasis on foreign affairs. Mr. Melnick is currently a U.S. Army Reserve Colonel with Military Intelligence, assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Mr. Melnick has been published in numerous military and foreign affairs journals, and has received numerous military and DIA awards. Mr. Melnick has a Master of Arts in National Security and Strategic Studies from the U.S. Naval War College, a Master of Arts in Russian studies from Harvard University, and a Bachelor of Arts with Honors in Political Science from Westminster College.

So here we have a company that by its own admission has a senior military psy-op intelligence officer who has worked directly for the Pentagon and Donald Rumsfeld. As Intelcenter and Ben Venzke are directly connected to IDEFENSE, this puts the Pentagon just three small steps away from the Al Qaeda propaganda videos - including the latest Bin Laden "martyrdom" hoax.

Al-Qaeda have a long and fruitful history of miraculously releasing video tapes at the most opportune political time for the Bush administration. Both Kerry and Bush attributed the President's 2004 re-election to Osama Bin Laden's appearance in a video tape just days before the vote. Veteran newsman Walter Cronkite mused that the whole farce was a Karl Rove orchestrated set-up.

On the eve of the Iraq war during Colin Powell's infamous presentation to the UN, an audio tape in which bin Laden claimed he was allied with Saddam Hussein surfaced, a gift-wrapped present for the Neo-Cons who had consistently been proven wrong in their assertion that there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11.

Ayman Al-Zawahiri appeared right on cue at the exact same time two years running, days before the State of the Union, to slam Bush as a "butcher" and a "failure." His timing is impeccable! Right when Bush needs to reinforce the fear of the shadowy enemy each January to mute his critics before the big speech, al-Zawahiri pops up with the goods.

Previous tapes which featured Ayman al-Zawahiri were found to be cobbled together from old footage but that doesn't bother a lapdog media well versed in manufacturing consent and never offering retractions when said tapes turn out to be questionable frauds.

Too numerous to divulge in one article, linked below are a plethora of articles about past "Al-Qaeda tapes" and how in every instance they were highly questionable at best if not completely fraudulent.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/160707dubioustape.htm

Hey guess what!?! Another new tape....We'll show you 28 percent approval...

<img src="http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/july2007/160707osama.jpg"><br /> <br />Another Dubious Osama Tape Appears When The Neo-Cons Need It Most<br /> <br />If Osama Bin Laden really is still alive then the CIA owe him a pay rise for his continued sterling efforts to bail out USS Bush every time the administration is about to capsize, but the reality is that this is just another crude propaganda ploy and the latest installment in a series of hoax terror tapes edited and released by the Neo-Cons at the most politically expedient time.

Whether it's to justify a war, win an election or divert from a scandal, Bin Laden can always be relied upon to come up with the goods and save Bush's bacon.

As soon as the 6 month wait and see period for the "surge" is up and right when Bush's last remaining Republican cheerleaders desert him on Iraq, Bin Laden pops up to remind us all of the necessity of "staying the course" and winning the war on terror by feeding more troops into the meatgrinder.

It's so transparent, a three-year-old could see through the hoax, but the media barely even question it.

In another development over the weekend, ABC News reports that, "Taliban military commander Mansour Dadullah, in an interview broadcast on ABC News' "World News With Charles Gibson," said the London attacks were "not enough" and that bigger attacks were coming."

Right on time, when Homeland Security head Chertoff says there will be an attack, and top Neo-Cons as well as military analysts are inviting one in order to "save a doomed foreign policy," the Taliban, Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda pop up and promise to deliver for their bosses.

"Osama bin Laden stresses the importance of martyrdom for Muslim causes in a videotape that purportedly contains a 50-second message from the al Qaeda leader," reports CNN.

"The videotape, titled "A Special Surprise from As-Sahab. Heaven's Breeze Part I," was made in the last four weeks, but the clips appear to be old, said Octavia Nasr, CNN's senior editor for Arab affairs. There is no indication of where it was shot, and CNN cannot verify its authenticity."

But don't for a minute take the media's claim of "authenticity" as anything other than a worthless platitude, because every time a new tape is released they fail to even mention the fact that the majority of these videos in the past have been at best slapped together old footage or in some cases outright hoaxes that led directly back to the federal government, the Pentagon and the CIA.

The most obvious example of this occurred in October last year, when footage depicting two of the alleged 9/11 hijackers laughing as well as a Bin Laden speech was purportedly released by Al-Qaeda's media arm.

In reality, as our report outlined, the U.S. government had been in possession of the footage since 2001. How? Because they filmed it!

Segments of the video that were interspersed with footage of the "laughing hijackers," Jarrah and Atta, showing Bin Laden giving a speech to an audience in Afghanistan on January 8 2000, were culled from what terror experts described as surveillance footage taken by a "security agency."

Furthermore, film of the Bin Laden speech, reported by the dominant media as new footage, was previously broadcast in the UK docudrama The Road to Guantanamo, which was first seen on British television nearly seven months before the release of the tape in March 2006.

News reports at the time contained the admission that the U.S. government had been in possession of the footage since 2002, while others said it was found when the United States invaded Afghanistan in 2001, and yet it was still bizarrely reported that the tape, bearing all the hallmarks of having been filmed and edited by undercover US intelligence and having admittedly been in US possession for five years, was released over the weekend of October 1st 2006 by "Al-Qaeda".

IntelCenter, the group which is also behind the latest Bin Laden tape, is the middleman between Al-Qaeda's alleged media arm, As-Sahab, and the mainstream media - they acquire the tapes and pass them on to the press, and have occasionally even predicted when tapes would be released beforehand.

All the more interesting therefore, as our previous investigation discovered, that IntelCenter is run by Ben Venzke, who used to be the director of intelligence at a company called IDEFENSE, which is a Verisign company. IDEFENSE is a web security company that monitors intelligence from the Middle East conflicts and focuses on cyber threats among other things.

It is also heavily populated with long serving ex-military intelligence officials.

The Director of Threat intelligence, Jim Melnick, served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and worked in psychological operations. From the IDEFENSE website:

Prior to joining iDefense, Mr. Melnick served with distinction for more than 16 years in the U.S. Army and the Defense Intelligence Agency. During this period, Mr. Melnick served in a variety of roles, including psychological operations, international warning issues with emphasis on foreign affairs and information operations and Russian affairs. He also served in active political/military intelligence roles with an emphasis on foreign affairs. Mr. Melnick is currently a U.S. Army Reserve Colonel with Military Intelligence, assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Mr. Melnick has been published in numerous military and foreign affairs journals, and has received numerous military and DIA awards. Mr. Melnick has a Master of Arts in National Security and Strategic Studies from the U.S. Naval War College, a Master of Arts in Russian studies from Harvard University, and a Bachelor of Arts with Honors in Political Science from Westminster College.

So here we have a company that by its own admission has a senior military psy-op intelligence officer who has worked directly for the Pentagon and Donald Rumsfeld. As Intelcenter and Ben Venzke are directly connected to IDEFENSE, this puts the Pentagon just three small steps away from the Al Qaeda propaganda videos - including the latest Bin Laden "martyrdom" hoax.

Al-Qaeda have a long and fruitful history of miraculously releasing video tapes at the most opportune political time for the Bush administration. Both Kerry and Bush attributed the President's 2004 re-election to Osama Bin Laden's appearance in a video tape just days before the vote. Veteran newsman Walter Cronkite mused that the whole farce was a Karl Rove orchestrated set-up.

On the eve of the Iraq war during Colin Powell's infamous presentation to the UN, an audio tape in which bin Laden claimed he was allied with Saddam Hussein surfaced, a gift-wrapped present for the Neo-Cons who had consistently been proven wrong in their assertion that there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11.

Ayman Al-Zawahiri appeared right on cue at the exact same time two years running, days before the State of the Union, to slam Bush as a "butcher" and a "failure." His timing is impeccable! Right when Bush needs to reinforce the fear of the shadowy enemy each January to mute his critics before the big speech, al-Zawahiri pops up with the goods.

Previous tapes which featured Ayman al-Zawahiri were found to be cobbled together from old footage but that doesn't bother a lapdog media well versed in manufacturing consent and never offering retractions when said tapes turn out to be questionable frauds.

Too numerous to divulge in one article, linked below are a plethora of articles about past "Al-Qaeda tapes" and how in every instance they were highly questionable at best if not completely fraudulent.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/160707dubioustape.htm

......More gay conspiracy theory bull**** from the nutjobs in this country.

I love all of these ideas about where Bin laden is. But lets not lose sight of the fact that the Bin Laden Family is in very tight with the white house and our comander in Chief. Also they are invested in U.S corporations in amounts measured by trillions.
Their Prince is safe.

So you're saying we bring the attacks on ourselves?
we actually brought the attacks up on ourselves.. your crazy if you think they hate us because our freedom.

So because we armed a nation roughly 20-30 years ago, so they could represent our common goal in the region, in turn it's fair for them to attack us? Because afterall, they're using our own majorly out-dated weapons against us. :confused:

That conflict isn't just funded by the West, we're the major players who're directly involved over there, so I don't see your point.

Basically, you think the way to get out of this war, and accomplish what needs to be done, is to tuck tail and leave Iraq before they're ready to stand alone as a soverign nation? That could possibly be the single worst thing we could do right now.
We funded Bin Laden and his people, gave him much money too. 2 mil I believe.
Then we turned our backs on them and supported their enemies along with a bunch of other shady deals and decisions in the middle east.

If we would have left the area alone in the first place, 9-11 would have never happened and they would not be chanting death to america. But the **** happened and we had to fight back, I was all for that.. But you racist conservative ****s can't tell a sunni from a shiet and a Afghani from a ****ing Iraqi and we went to war in a country we have no business in that possed no threat to America. Now they sure as **** do! We just made some more enemies! All for what? For the interests of the rich white elite who saw dollar signs in Iraq. So now we are ****ed into staying in Iraq and focusing our attention on that, while Bin Laden does what he wants unnoticed in another country [if he still alive]

......More gay conspiracy theory bull**** from the nutjobs in this country.
You really have to consider some things when it comes to questioning our government as well as others. If you believe your government can do no wrong then you give them power to do what the **** they want. Look @ Germany or the U.S.S.R. with Stalin, they thought this could never happen to us its all conspiracy but next thing you know Germany is a fascist country and the laws and constitution of the U.S.S.R. has been over turned and they had become what they were fighting against. Just because this is America does not mean we are all high and mighty and it will never happen to us, Every country runs the risk of some loon ****ing their **** up. I'm sure if Bush had been able to do what he wanted and everybody was like you and all the other conservatives who just sit there and go yes master, he would have gone way further then the patriot act. He already violating the constitution.

You really have to consider some things when it comes to questioning our government as well as others. If you believe your government can do no wrong then you give them power to do what the **** they want. Look @ Germany or the U.S.S.R. with Stalin, they thought this could never happen to us its all conspiracy but next thing you know Germany is a fascist country and the laws and constitution of the U.S.S.R. has been over turned and they had become what they were fighting against. Just because this is America does not mean we are all high and mighty and it will never happen to us, Every country runs the risk of some loon ****ing their **** up. I'm sure if Bush had been able to do what he wanted and everybody was like you and all the other conservatives who just sit there and go yes master, he would have gone way further then the patriot act. He already violating the constitution. What your referring to is-
“Ignorance Is Strength”
-1984

Though I agree with PBDS because your conspiracy theories are flawed to say the least, considering that even if Bin Laden was/is in tight with our government that whole section of the world has been a target since at least the Bush Sr. So its not like Bush (Jr.) just decided to go on this venture but hide bin laden so he could make out. Also 9/11 was completely avoidable had Clinton not been afraid of action. Either way the whole thing played out it would have definitely ended up with a war in the middle east.

You really have to consider some things when it comes to questioning our government as well as others. If you believe your government can do no wrong then you give them power to do what the **** they want. Look @ Germany or the U.S.S.R. with Stalin, they thought this could never happen to us its all conspiracy but next thing you know Germany is a fascist country and the laws and constitution of the U.S.S.R. has been over turned and they had become what they were fighting against. Just because this is America does not mean we are all high and mighty and it will never happen to us, Every country runs the risk of some loon ****ing their **** up. I'm sure if Bush had been able to do what he wanted and everybody was like you and all the other conservatives who just sit there and go yes master, he would have gone way further then the patriot act. He already violating the constitution.

This Bin Laden thing is going to be the biggest laugh on our country ever. Does anybody really think the next generation is going to fall for the bull**** the large part of this one did?
Bin Laden's whole family is the ass our president loves to kiss most. Has been since before he was in office, way before. The Bin Laden family is invested in thie trillions in American Companies. Some of which The Bush Family are directly involved with.
2+2 still =4 genlemen. put it together.

Our CIA has used Bin Laden in the past to set up attacks on other enemies we have. He's one of ours. And he's the single figurehead we use to scare the public.

We won't "kill" him until he's no longer necessary to control the people through fear.

Our CIA has used Bin Laden in the past to set up attacks on other enemies we have. He's one of ours. And he's the single figurehead we use to scare the public.

We won't "kill" him until he's no longer necessary to control the people through fear.

People don't fear Bin Laden...You describe him as some sort of "boogie monster" that people fear when they see. People fear things that have happened, and could happen. Such as large scale terrorist attacks. You all seem to over look the fact that he actually was a terrorist.

I'm almost laughing to hard to type because your too wrapped up with your own conspiracy theories to see straight. I'm not saying what your saying is wrong or stupid I'm just saying that given what has happened, what your saying really isn't applicable anymore..

Why don't we start talking about who the Patriots are going to go to war with next. :lol1: (MGS2 reference)

What your referring to is-
“Ignorance Is Strength”
-1984

Though I agree with PBDS because your conspiracy theories are flawed to say the least, considering that even if Bin Laden was/is in tight with our government that whole section of the world has been a target since at least the Bush Sr. So its not like Bush (Jr.) just decided to go on this venture but hide bin laden so he could make out. Also 9/11 was completely avoidable had Clinton not been afraid of action. Either way the whole thing played out it would have definitely ended up with a war in the middle east.
How you gonna blame this on Clinton when the ni99a had a meeting and breifing on Bin Laden every week and at least tried, as soon as George Bush stepped in to office, what did he do to combat Bin Laden in his people?? **** until 9-11 happened! Clinton has fault in this **** too, but Bush has the bigger portion of it.

Our CIA has used Bin Laden in the past to set up attacks on other enemies we have. He's one of ours. And he's the single figurehead we use to scare the public.

We won't "kill" him until he's no longer necessary to control the people through fear.

I love your mind Neils. I must confess

How you gonna blame this on Clinton when the ni99a had a meeting and breifing on Bin Laden every week and at least tried, as soon as George Bush stepped in to office, what did he do to combat Bin Laden in his people?? **** until 9-11 happened! Clinton has fault in this **** too, but Bush has the bigger portion of it.

I do blame Clinton, Clinton could have avoided this whole thing, and its not like he couldn't have. Hey out of curiousity does anyone remember the U.S.S. Cole? There's a tip-off right there.

Look it up, thats what I'm talking about, Clinton new damn well what was going on but was afraid/didn't want to act. People hate war, but war is at times necessary therefore making the decision to go to war is a crippling thing.

Its almost certain that if you go to war you will end up a villian. The only president who had a positive public appearance during war was FDR during WWII.

I do blame Clinton, Clinton could have avoided this whole thing, and its not like he couldn't have. Hey out of curiousity does anyone remember the U.S.S. Cole? There's a tip-off right there.

Look it up, thats what I'm talking about, Clinton new damn well what was going on but was afraid/didn't want to act. People hate war, but war is at times necessary therefore making the decision to go to war is a crippling thing.

Its almost certain that if you go to war you will end up a villian. The only president who had a positive public appearance during war was FDR during WWII.

Spending thousands of lives and Trillions of Dollars to prove no point sure does seem necessary to me.
**** educating our kids, creating more jobs and helping our sick. Lets go to war

Spending thousands of lives and Trillions of Dollars to prove no point sure does seem necessary to me.
**** educating our kids, creating more jobs and helping our sick. Lets go to war

If you think this war is pointless you are Naive.

I think people miss the point, and nobody will ever fully understand the purpose of this war. The only way the relevance of this war could have been realized is if it never happened.

If it never happened, or we if we had pulled out in 2004 people would realize the importance of staying, but instead they would be complaining about how cruel we were for leaving.

As of right now the purpose of staying has nothing to do with whether we have won or lost, but from further preventing a bigger problem. The point is Sadaam was a large problem and to think that it was Bush's idea to take him out is naive. The idea has been around much longer then Bush has been in office.

By taking out Sadaam (which was needed) we inturn stirred up the civil war which had been suppressed by Sadaam. Sadaam was Sunni so he used his power to suppress the Civil war by "suppressing" the shi'ites. Once Sadaam was taken out this gave the shi'ites the ability to continue the war in full force.

Had we left Iraq it would leave Iraq as a warring nation which in turn will be weak. And even in modern times land still translates into power. Had we left we basically would have left Iraq up for grabs. Considering we're on less then good terms with most of the middle eastern countries it wouldn't be a good idea to basically hand Iraq over to them.

Hypothetically had we left whats stopping Iran from coming in and taking Iraq. And don't think that it would be hard for them, they don't try and figure out who's a civilian or not like us. Hell no, they'd come in guns blazing. Now because we pulled out, Iran (which is a big enough problem) has now doubled in size.

Not to mention all the **** that would be said because we let these innocent people die.

People are ignorant by nature thus debating tends to be frivolous. But in the end I suppose everyone deserves their own opinion.

If you think this war is pointless you are Naive.

I think people miss the point, and nobody will ever fully understand the purpose of this war. The only way the relevance of this war could have been realized is if it never happened.

If it never happened, or we if we had pulled out in 2004 people would realize the importance of staying, but instead they would be complaining about how cruel we were for leaving.

As of right now the purpose of staying has nothing to do with whether we have won or lost, but from further preventing a bigger problem. The point is Sadaam was a large problem and to think that it was Bush's idea to take him out is naive. The idea has been around much longer then Bush has been in office.

By taking out Sadaam (which was needed) we inturn stirred up the civil war which had been suppressed by Sadaam. Sadaam was Sunni so he used his power to suppress the Civil war by "suppressing" the shi'ites. Once Sadaam was taken out this gave the shi'ites the ability to continue the war in full force.

Had we left Iraq it would leave Iraq as a warring nation which in turn will be weak. And even in modern times land still translates into power. Had we left we basically would have left Iraq up for grabs. Considering we're on less then good terms with most of the middle eastern countries it wouldn't be a good idea to basically hand Iraq over to them.

Hypothetically had we left whats stopping Iran from coming in and taking Iraq. And don't think that it would be hard for them, they don't try and figure out who's a civilian or not like us. Hell no, they'd come in guns blazing. Now because we pulled out, Iran (which is a big enough problem) has now doubled in size.

Not to mention all the **** that would be said because we let these innocent people die.

People are ignorant by nature thus debating tends to be frivolous. But in the end I suppose everyone deserves their own opinion.



do you take sugar with the **** they feed you??

do you take sugar with the **** they feed you??

Non of it was fed, thats all the truth. This theory is in fact completely plausible and I've never heard any of it spoken on any news (and yes I watch/read both Right and Left news). Its not like you can sit there and say to me that I'm copying it from Bill O'Reilly or some other Right wing guy.

Are you seriously that blinded by Liberal non-sense. I mean at least I can admit that there may be motivation about Oil to stay in Iraq except for the fact that we don't get Oil from Iraq.

I could also believe some ideas about staying in Iraq except for the fact that there was plenty of pressure on Clinton to go into the middle east but he had other things he needed to accomplish. Now I blame Clinton for whats going on now but thats not a bad thing. The Clinton to Bush was a good balance. Clinton focused on the homeland and Bush focus' on Security/Foreign Affairs.

Why would you think I'm being fed this? Most of the teachers/friends I've had in my life were Liberal I just chose to point out the holes in their theories, likewise they did it to me. It was a good check and balance system.




*Also everything I stated about Sadaam Supressing the civil war is accurate.

I do blame Clinton, Clinton could have avoided this whole thing, and its not like he couldn't have. Hey out of curiousity does anyone remember the U.S.S. Cole? There's a tip-off right there.

Look it up, thats what I'm talking about, Clinton new damn well what was going on but was afraid/didn't want to act. People hate war, but war is at times necessary therefore making the decision to go to war is a crippling thing.

Its almost certain that if you go to war you will end up a villian. The only president who had a positive public appearance during war was FDR during WWII.
Clinton could have prevented it.. But couldn't Bush have prevented it as well??
You have many many countries and also the CIA warning you of an attack in New York on American soil involving airplane hi-jackings and you just shrug it off, don't even bother to read it or at least look into it.. Very very intelligent ! Was Clinton president @ the time of the attacks?? No, I dont believe he was.

Non of it was fed, thats all the truth. This theory is in fact completely plausible and I've never heard any of it spoken on any news (and yes I watch/read both Right and Left news). Its not like you can sit there and say to me that I'm copying it from Bill O'Reilly or some other Right wing guy.

Are you seriously that blinded by Liberal non-sense. I mean at least I can admit that there may be motivation about Oil to stay in Iraq except for the fact that we don't get Oil from Iraq.

I could also believe some ideas about staying in Iraq except for the fact that there was plenty of pressure on Clinton to go into the middle east but he had other things he needed to accomplish. Now I blame Clinton for whats going on now but thats not a bad thing. The Clinton to Bush was a good balance. Clinton focused on the homeland and Bush focus' on Security/Foreign Affairs.

Why would you think I'm being fed this? Most of the teachers/friends I've had in my life were Liberal I just chose to point out the holes in their theories, likewise they did it to me. It was a good check and balance system.




*Also everything I stated about Sadaam Supressing the civil war is accurate.
Using the words conservative and liberal in your arguments about a news story shows that you're still not processing the story without bias.

When it comes to the elite, there is no Republican, there is no Democrat...

do you take sugar with the **** they feed you??
I always find it hillarious when the right wingers [such as rockymarcianofan] call everything they disagree with or dislike "Liberal non-sense" as if the conservative bunch are any better... Like the conservatives don't get feed and eat propaganda all the ****ing time, but ay they love it. the right is always right after all :rolleyes:

Clinton could have prevented it.. But couldn't Bush have prevented it as well??

How long can you keep putting something off. Honestly though Bush probably would have prevented it. Why go to war if you don't have to and stay popular. Then again that was Post 9/11


You have many many countries and also the CIA warning you of an attack in New York on American soil involving airplane hi-jackings and you just shrug it off, don't even bother to read it or at least look into it.. Very very intelegant! Was Clinton president @ the time of the attacks?? No, I dont believe he was.
Yea but the CIA was warning Clinton to. You keep coming back to the assumption that all this **** with the middle east started when Bush came into office. America's had problems with the middle-east since before the first Gulf war.

Had Clinton takin the warnings the CIA was giving him 9/11 wouldn't have happened. Forget the CIA, like I stated before wasn't the USS Cole a good enough Clue as to what was going on. Clinton ignoring signs from the enemy, very very intelligent.

I always find it hillarious when the right wingers [such as rockymarcianofan] call everything they disagree with or dislike "Liberal non-sense" as if the conservative bunch are any better... Like the conservatives don't get feed and eat propaganda all the ****ing time, but ay they love it. the right is always right after all :rolleyes:

I love you too hun

I'm not really right wing, I'm more independent cause there are many key things I disagree with the right on.
I just find the left more filled with Propaganda. Like I'm gunna sit there and listen to Al Gore talk about the problems with Global Climate when his 4 houses together produce about as much Green House gases as I do in 4 months.

:kiss:

How long can you keep putting something off. Honestly though Bush probably would have prevented it. Why go to war if you don't have to and stay popular. Then again that was Post 9/11


Yea but the CIA was warning Clinton to. You keep coming back to the assumption that all this **** with the middle east started when Bush came into office. America's had problems with the middle-east since before the first Gulf war.

Had Clinton takin the warnings the CIA was giving him 9/11 wouldn't have happened. Forget the CIA, like I stated before wasn't the USS Cole a good enough Clue as to what was going on. Clinton ignoring signs from the enemy, very very intelligent.
The U.S. has had problems in the middle east since before Reagans era, only Reagan stirred the **** up a lil more and added some more wood to the fire, but every president we have had has added a lil more and a lil more..

But anyway what does this have to do with Iraq?? Iraq didn' have ****, they couldn't attack us if they had wanted to! Again, just because someone is muslim doesn't mean they are all the same or in cahoots with each other.

I love you too hun

I'm not really right wing, I'm more independent cause there are many key things I disagree with the right on.
I just find the left more filled with Propaganda. Like I'm gunna sit there and listen to Al Gore talk about the problems with Global Climate when his 4 houses together produce about as much Green House gases as I do in 4 months.

:kiss:
Why because you add up how much he spends on electricity and you figure it must be 4 times the amount I spend when in fact he spends more money on energy because he tries to have clean and efficient energy in his house that lets of less green house gases then a normal house that size would?? [that ****s not cheap] By what you just said shows that you only to one side of the argument. Have you seen what systems he uses in his houses.. I don't know too many rich folk with solar panels and such.

People don't fear Bin Laden...You describe him as some sort of "boogie monster" that people fear when they see. People fear things that have happened, and could happen. Such as large scale terrorist attacks. You all seem to over look the fact that he actually was a terrorist.

I'm almost laughing to hard to type because your too wrapped up with your own conspiracy theories to see straight. I'm not saying what your saying is wrong or stupid I'm just saying that given what has happened, what your saying really isn't applicable anymore..

Why don't we start talking about who the Patriots are going to go to war with next. :lol1: (MGS2 reference)


....I'm laughing out loud at the implication that Bin Ladin is some sort of pawn for us currently. Anyone in this thread that believes that is a ****ing idiot. And that's no laughing matter. Don't make me call Drewcyfer, ShoNuff, and Dr. Freecloud into this thread *****es.

LOL Bin Laden Pwned you fat yanks

Osama was so small time during the Afghan / Russian war he's not worth mentioning. Granted we supported Afghanistan during that fight, but to think that we showed up and paid Bin Laden to fight off Russia is absurd.
The CIA has always had questionable bed fellows. Its cheaper and smarter to divide and conquer rather than fight everybody we have issues with.
The reason I think we were attacked is because of the religious differences. Every one not Islamic to to Islamic extremist are the enemy. They see the U.K. USA and Israel as godless empires living in excess. Also they still have the mindset of the Crusades, Christians vs Islam.

....The Bin Ladins have been a powerful family for many many years and our interests have crossed during that time in the course of normal business. At one time it served our interests to have Bin Ladin as a quasi ally. Osama has since become a rogue pariah who went out on his own to start his bull****. The fat **** Michael Moore tried to connect dots that do not connect and some of you fools have fallen for it. To insist that the Bush administration and Bin Ladin are somehow "in on 9/11 together" and in bed together is insanity. Anyone who believes that is either an idiot or an anti Bush hack. End of.


Several members of the Bush family are investors in the Carlyle Group, a defense contractor and investment fund with numerous interests in the Mideast, run by former Bush administration Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci.[2] The media noted that former President George H. W. Bush attended an investment meeting at the Washington, D.C. Ritz-Carlton hotel on September 10, 2001 and in particular a meeting with Shafiq bin Laden, representing joint interests of the Saudi Binladin Group and Carlyle.[3] (Bush did not attend the morning of September 11, although it has been alleged that the meeting took place during the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Former Secretary of State James Baker was present, along with Carlucci.[3]) The Carlyle and Binladin groups mutually severed their business relationship on October 26, 2001.[3]

[edit] Family members

American and European intelligence officials estimate that all the relatives of the family may number as much as 600, The Saudi government revoked his passport and the bin Laden family officially disowned Osama in 1994.[4] The Saudi government also stripped Osama bin Laden of his citizenship,[4] for publicly speaking out against them, after they permitted U.S. troops to be based in Saudi Arabia in preparation for the 1991 Gulf War.[specify]

The groupings of the family, based on the nationalities of the wives, include the most prominent "Saudi group", a "Syrian group", a "Lebanese group," and an "Egyptian group". The Egyptian group employs 40,000 people as that country's largest private foreign investor. Osama bin Laden was born the only son of Muhammed bin Laden's tenth wife,[5] Hamida al-Attas, who was of Syria origin,[6] making Osama a member of the Syrian group.

Osama was so small time during the Afghan / Russian war he's not worth mentioning. Granted we supported Afghanistan during that fight, but to think that we showed up and paid Bin Laden to fight off Russia is absurd.
The CIA has always had questionable bed fellows. Its cheaper and smarter to divide and conquer rather than fight everybody we have issues with.
The reason I think we were attacked is because of the religious differences. Every one not Islamic to to Islamic extremist are the enemy. They see the U.K. USA and Israel as godless empires living in excess. Also they still have the mindset of the Crusades, Christians vs Islam.


......Right on cue, some intelligent and rational posting takes place. We are a target for the Muslim world folks and sooner or later this whole battle is going to have to go to another level.

to b honest if your a saudi and rich then Britain and America suck up to you, te company my dad works for were recently in the **** because they bribed a Saudi prince so that he would accept an arms trade

to b honest if your a saudi and rich then Britain and America suck up to you, te company my dad works for were recently in the **** because they blew a Saudi prince so that he would accept an arms trade


....Damn, that's hardcore **** right thur.

Bin Ladin is so hot. I love the beard motif. Thats hot.

he is a dashing bloke like, I dno with a few beers down me I probably would

he is a dashing bloke like, I dno with a few beers down me I probably would
the sexiest thing about him is that he never ages a day

Take a look at 2001 & 2007 (alleged) pics of him compared to 2001 & 2007 pics of Bush & Blair:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/160707secretformula.htm

the sexiest thing about him is that he never ages a day

Take a look at 2001 & 2007 (alleged) pics of him compared to 2001 & 2007 pics of Bush & Blair:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/160707secretformula.htm

He must use "Nivea Visage" anti-ageing lotion.

Either that or he borrows it from one of his many wives.

definatly that or the taleban's new age defiance foundation, I hear it takes years of you

the sexiest thing about him is that he never ages a day

Take a look at 2001 & 2007 (alleged) pics of him compared to 2001 & 2007 pics of Bush & Blair:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/160707secretformula.htm

.....Ha!!! Those ****ty pics don't show me ****. You can't really tell how much he's aged in those shots. Prison planet!!!!! Bwaaaaahahaha!!!

Bin Laden did Pwn America though peanut right

<img src="http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/august2007/020807tape.jpg"><br /> <br />Analyst: Al-Qaeda Videotapes Digitally Doctored<br /> <br />An expert computer analyst has presented evidence that so-called "Al-Qaeda" tapes are routinely digitally doctored and has also unwittingly exposed an astounding detail that clearly indicates a Pentagon affiliated organization in the U.S. is directly responsible for releasing the videos.<br />

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/020807tapesdoctored.htm

Neils I take it you keep your conspiracy bull**** strictly to the net, I mean you don't go around dropping the bull**** you mention on here on the street do you?

bin laden has been "planning" more attacks since 2001.