I mean he got knocked down and looked very akward, had the fight continued there is no question that Williamson would have set Wlad up with another right hand. Very poor performance on Wlad's part, no doubt he won the fight up to that point but he didn not look like a man who wants to take over the HW division.

He got floored by a man who was KO'ed by Baby Joe in round 1, Wlad doesn't have it anymore, he needs to hang'em up.

did Wlad look as though he was running out of steam?

did Wlad look as though he was running out of steam?

It did to me, he was starting to open his mouth, but the difference was that he wasn't throwing as many punches as he did before. Still Wlad looked awkward and not that good. Had TOS been more active he could have easily won that spilt decision.

So Wlad looked horrible and awkward, yet he still beat a top 15 heavyweight 49-46 or 48-46 at the worst. I've been saying all along that I don't like the American style. Wlad looked awkward with it against Brewster and he looked awkward with it against Williamson. He needs to go back to the European style. He shouldn't be switching styles this far into his career like this. It was a legit KD, but its not like he was hurt at all from it. He was way off balance. He was throwing a straight right and had his feet way to wide apart, and only one knee touched the mat and his glove hit the mat first. Either way he came back to win the round. Its hard to look good when your opponent runs away the whole fight. Did you see Wlad v. Shufford? Shufford ran away the whole just like Williamson did, and it took Wlad 6 rounds to finish off Shufford, and Williamson is far more dangerous than Shufford.

It did to me, he was starting to open his mouth, but the difference was that he wasn't throwing as many punches as he did before. Still Wlad looked awkward and not that good. Had TOS been more active he could have easily won that spilt decision.

He had a nose bleed before the fight.

So Wlad looked horrible and awkward, yet he still beat a top 15 heavyweight 49-46 or 48-46 at the worst. I've been saying all along that I don't like the American style. Wlad looked awkward with it against Brewster and he looked awkward with it against Williamson. He needs to go back to the European style. He shouldn't be switching styles this far into his career like this. It was a legit KD, but its not like he was hurt at all from it. He was way off balance. He was throwing a straight right and had his feet way to wide apart, and only one knee touched the mat and his glove hit the mat first. Either way he came back to win the round. Its hard to look good when your opponent runs away the whole fight. Did you see Wlad v. Shufford? Shufford ran away the whole just like Williamson did, and it took Wlad 6 rounds to finish off Shufford, and Williamson is far more dangerous than Shufford.


Like I said he won but he did nothing to restablish himself as a top heavyweight.

Like I said he won but he did nothing to restablish himself as a top heavyweight.

Obviously its kind of hard to do that with a TD decision.

Obviously its kind of hard to do that with a TD decision.

Regardless, he didn't fight like a fighter ready to take over the division. If he fights Ruiz or Brewster he'll get KO'ed for sure. Byrd may even have a chance to do that. Wlad's confidence is shattered and he is very afraid to get hit. When he does get hit he goes down.

He showed nothing great and even the Showtime commentators said that.

Regardless, he didn't fight like a fighter ready to take over the division. If he fights Ruiz or Brewster he'll get KO'ed for sure. Byrd may even have a chance to do that. Wlad's confidence is shattered and he is very afraid to get hit. When he does get hit he goes down.

He showed nothing great and even the Showtime commentators said that.

Actually he was hit with punches that were much harder than KD punch tonight and he didn't go down.

Regardless, he didn't fight like a fighter ready to take over the division. If he fights Ruiz or Brewster he'll get KO'ed for sure. Byrd may even have a chance to do that. Wlad's confidence is shattered and he is very afraid to get hit. When he does get hit he goes down.

He showed nothing great and even the Showtime commentators said that.

And apparently you missed the game plan. Why after the Brewster fight would you come out with all guns blazing throwing a high number of punches?

Actually he was hit with punches that were much harder than KD punch tonight and he didn't go down.

So what, he got knocked down, balance shot or no balance shot,his bro wouldn't go down from a shot like that. Wlad is not the same fighter he used to be, he just doen't have it anymore.

So what, he got knocked down, balance shot or no balance shot,his bro wouldn't go down from a shot like that. Wlad is not the same fighter he used to be, he just doen't have it anymore.

That's because he is not comfortable with the American style. He almost looked more awkward than Vitali at times in there. If that is happening then you know something is wrong.

That's because he is not comfortable with the American style.

And yet another excuse from the Klit fans... Nobody is forcing Wlad to have Steward as his trainer, its his perogative to change hs style.

And yet another excuse from the Klit fans... Nobody is forcing Wlad to have Steward as his trainer, its his perogative to change hs style.

So are you saying he looks more fluid with the American style then.

Wlads fighting check list

Win fight = check
Test Chin = check (he seem to bounce up well from the flash knockdown

Test stamina = errr.... maybe next time, but he didn't colapse in round 5 :)

Sure He didn't look like a heir to the heavyweight thrown, but neither did Golata, Brewster, McCline, Meehan, Sanders, etc whom all got a title shot. I say the Wlad train will keep moving just fine.

So are you saying he looks more fluid with the American style then.

Maybe it isn't his style, maybe its his glass chin and shattered confidence. And suppose it is his style, don't you think that he would go with a trainer who would teach him a style with that would give him his best chance for victory. Nobody is holding a gun to Wlad's head and forcing him to be with Manny.

Maybe it isn't his style, maybe its his glass chin and shattered confidence. And suppose it is his style, don't you think that he would go with a trainer who would teach him a style with that would give him his best chance for victory. Nobody is holding a gun to Wlad's head and forcing him to be with Manny.

Well we'll have to wait and see how long he lasts with Manny.

Let it be known that TOS is garbage and he still managed to KD Wlad...sigh more disappointments. This is disturbing stuff. If anyone thinks he'd still beat Toney they are ****ing off their rocker. Anyone with an unbiased opinion anyway...

Let it be known that TOS is garbage and he still managed to KD Wlad...sigh more disappointments. This is disturbing stuff. If anyone thinks he'd still beat Toney they are ****ing off their rocker. Anyone with an unbiased opinion anyway...

Have you seen the fight?

Let it be known that TOS is garbage and he still managed to KD Wlad...sigh more disappointments. This is disturbing stuff. If anyone thinks he'd still beat Toney they are ****ing off their rocker. Anyone with an unbiased opinion anyway...

I agree completely with this statement

I agree completely with t.his statement

At least he is a top 15 fighter unlike Booker.

At least he is a top 15 fighter unlike Booker.

Wlad wasn't coming back from a serious achilles injury and a huge layoff...he was coming back from having his ass handed to him twice by subpar heavyweights. The outcome of this was very disappointing for me. Wlad needed a convincing win. James trounced Booker...Wladdy was KD'ed and may have been KO'd if the fight had lasted longer.

Yeah one cannot forget that TOS was extremely inactive, can you imagine if somebody were to bull rush Wlad, it would be Sanders all over again. Not only that but one of the very few shots TOS did throw, put Wlad down.

Wlad wasn't coming back from a serious achilles injury and a huge layoff...he was coming back from having his ass handed to him twice by subpar heavyweights. The outcome of this was very disappointing for me. Wlad needed a convincing win. James trounced Booker...Wladdy was KD'ed and may have been KO'd if the fight had lasted longer.

Yes I think that's much harder to come back from getting your ass handed to you twice than it is to come back from an injury. Thanks for proving my point. 49-46 Wlad. Keep on hating.

Yes I think that's much harder to come back from getting your ass handed to you twice than it is to come back from an injury. Thanks for proving my point. 49-46 Wlad. Keep on hating.

Since when is telling the truth hating?

Wlad wasn't coming back from a serious achilles injury and a huge layoff...he was coming back from having his ass handed to him twice by subpar heavyweights. The outcome of this was very disappointing for me. Wlad needed a convincing win. James trounced Booker...Wladdy was KD'ed and may have been KO'd if the fight had lasted longer.

I still say Toney would not have a shot against Wlad and I like Toney alot. Wlad's supposed weak chin seems to be a myth. Yes he got knocked down off balance, but anyone watching the fight could see he had a clear head and won the rest of the round. Toney just does not have the power or ability to avoid punches at heavyweight. Toney is the better all around fighter, but size matters, and even this Wlad would Ko any Toney. That is why there are weight devisions.

Yes I think that's much harder to come back from getting your ass handed to you twice than it is to come back from an injury. Thanks for proving my point. 49-46 Wlad. Keep on hating.

I wasn't proving your point...I was stating that it's harder to comeback from a bad injury and inactivity than to come back from being KO'd by two bums. The thing is...Toney actually came back and dominated his bum. Wlad got KD'ed by the skinniest joke of a heavyweight around. That off balance stuff is nonsense. Wlad didn't get the job done and yet people still have the cojones to say that he's some sort of threat in the HW division. I like Wlad...theres no hating here. He's just a huge disappointment.

Regardless, he didn't fight like a fighter ready to take over the division. If he fights Ruiz or Brewster he'll get KO'ed for sure. Byrd may even have a chance to do that. Wlad's confidence is shattered and he is very afraid to get hit. When he does get hit he goes down.

He showed nothing great and even the Showtime commentators said that.
You've got to be kidding right? Your blind hatred for Wladimir shows in everything you say. But hey, ignorance is bliss isn't it?

Oldwrinkle and Asschrist:

Why don't ya just get away before history and the upcoming fights prove you're wrong, don't have a clue about sport, and probably where molested as orphans..

Sod off, go commenting on fighters in the flyweights or something, come back when you have anything of value to contribute.

Do ya hear me?!!

I just have one question to the Byrd fan and this is in noway sticking up for Wlad but since you like to point out that Wlad did not look good in this fight I would like to know if you thought your boy Byrd looked good in LOSING to both Fres Oquendo and Golota?

I would like to know if you thought your boy Byrd looked good in LOSING to both Fres Oquendo and Golota?

He'll tell you as soon as he moves his preacher's nutsack off his chin...............

wlad, vitali, toney,ruiz, byrd, brewster, will never make a division like before

Since when is telling the truth hating?

How can it be the truth if it didn't happen?

I wasn't proving your point...I was stating that it's harder to comeback from a bad injury and inactivity than to come back from being KO'd by two bums. The thing is...Toney actually came back and dominated his bum. Wlad got KD'ed by the skinniest joke of a heavyweight around. That off balance stuff is nonsense. Wlad didn't get the job done and yet people still have the cojones to say that he's some sort of threat in the HW division. I like Wlad...theres no hating here. He's just a huge disappointment.

Could you be more off?

Could you be more off?

Could you elaborate?

I mean he got knocked down and looked very akward, had the fight continued there is no question that Williamson would have set Wlad up with another right hand. Very poor performance on Wlad's part, no doubt he won the fight up to that point but he didn not look like a man who wants to take over the HW division.

He got floored by a man who was KO'ed by Baby Joe in round 1, Wlad doesn't have it anymore, he needs to hang'em up.

This coming from a guy whose favorite fighter recently got a gift decision over a old, shot Golota and B level Oquendo. Now that's sad.

I wasn't proving your point...I was stating that it's harder to comeback from a bad injury and inactivity than to come back from being KO'd by two bums. The thing is...Toney actually came back and dominated his bum. Wlad got KD'ed by the skinniest joke of a heavyweight around. That off balance stuff is nonsense. Wlad didn't get the job done and yet people still have the cojones to say that he's some sort of threat in the HW division. I like Wlad...theres no hating here. He's just a huge disappointment.

No one is talking about Toney's shattered confidence like they are Wlad's. Coming back from an injury is nothing compared to coming back from being KO'd by two bums. Think about it. Williamson is a top 15 fighter. Booker is a top 100 fighter. You should know better. How is the off balance stuff nonsense. Have you even seen the fight? Keep on hating.

So what, he got knocked down, balance shot or no balance shot,his bro wouldn't go down from a shot like that. Wlad is not the same fighter he used to be, he just doen't have it anymore.


....CITA, STFU and go SCBC like you always wanted to. Be sure to wipe your chin when your finished!!!!

This coming from a guy whose favorite fighter recently got a gift decision over a old, shot Golota and B level Oquendo. Now that's sad.
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On November 13th 2004, Golota will prove that he is not old or shot. He will be the next WBA Heavyweight champ.

This coming from a guy whose favorite fighter recently got a gift decision over a old, shot Golota and B level Oquendo. Now that's sad.
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On November 13th 2004, Golota will prove that he is not old or shot. He will be the next WBA Heavyweight champ.


How does a win over Ruiz prove anything? A middle weight beat him. Ruiz has beaten nothing but shot fighters or trash recently besides his DQ win over Johnson.

I just think that you are not giving Golota any benefit of the doubt. I am a big Golota fan and I have been dissapointed numerous amounts of time by his actions, but he is definitely one of the most talented heavyweights out there.

Skinniest joke of a heavyweight around? He's still ****ing bigger than Byrd, and looked to have made an attempt at copying Byrd's style, as well as having a much better punch than Byrd. I wish it had gone on, Wlad was only trying to fight into the late rounds to prove his stamina, and this bull**** happens. He catches Wlad with one shot and everyone says Wlad was on his way to being KO'd, but no one is talking about when the ref had to force Williamson to let go of Wlad because he was in trouble. The only fighter that was ever in trouble was Williamson, period.

I just think that you are not giving Golota any benefit of the doubt. I am a big Golota fan and I have been dissapointed numerous amounts of time by his actions, but he is definitely one of the most talented heavyweights out there.

I thought we were talking about Ruiz.