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I think this article raises some good points, and although it showed doubt that Naz would come back, Naz has already spoken out on terrestrial TV over here (UK) that he is coming back. He said this after the undercard of Williams - Harris (Amir Khan - Gethin i believe) not long ago..

After three and a half years of empty promises and phantom commitments, Prince Naseem Hamed's talk of a 2006 comeback has been lent an air of credibility by Hall of Famer Emanuel Steward, who believes the former featherweight champion willnot only conquer the world all over again but also knock out rivals Erik Morales and 2001 conqueror Marco Antonio Barrera.

His two former promoters are advising the Prince to remain in exile but ex-trainer Steward, who has guided over 30 fighters to world championships including Tommy Hearns and Lennox Lewis, states that he would be 'very interested' in working with the Prince again 'under the right circumstances'.

The Hall of Fame trainer told SecondsOut: "I'd like the chance to train Naseem again, yes, if he comes back. He can be world champion again, absolutely, he's a great talent, very, very skilful and is one of the two or three hardest punchers, pound-for-pound I've ever seen in my career."

Steward coached Hamed for five fights, from the KO over future IBF champion Paul Ingle in 1999 to the defeat to Barrera in April of 2001.

Hamed has not fought since May of 2002, when he first filled the London Arena with boos and then emptied it of fans with a dreadful 12 round performance against the abundantly average Manuel Calvo. Worse, prior to that points win, the Prince had not fought for another 13 month period, not since his April 2001 pistol-whipping by Marco Antonio Barrera in the only defeat of his 36 fight career.

Even in his prime,the switch-hitting showman from Sheffield was loath to do roadwork and there is a distinct impression in the trade that the Steel City man, after four years of spicy food and daytime TV, just won't have the mettle to graft in the gym.

Notwithstanding these factors, Steward is optimistic that Hamed can re-discover his old form at the age of (by fight time) 32. "People don't realise that Naseem always went up in weight between fights. He often weighed up to 154lbs (11stone) in between fights. Yeah, it will be hard to get down to the weight but I think it will only take about three months.

"I don't think he should go down all the way to featherweight anyway. What I'd like to do is have him come back and have an easier fight at lightweight before settling in at super-featherweight."

Steward said he hadn't spoken to his former charge in a year. "The last time I spoke on the phone to him he was saying he was enjoying his time off but he was still talking about coming back and winning titles again. He was boxing, training, almost every day from the age of seven to the age of 27, 28 and he just needed a break."

The Kronk gym taskmaster also opined Hamed's rivals Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales, who have completely eclipsed Hamed's legacy in his absence, are genuine targets for an in-shape Prince.

"Naz's punching power is such that he could always knock these guys out," Steward said. "His power is unlike anything I've ever seen and I've seen many thousands of fighters in my career. That power will still be there, Naz was born with it, you either have it or you don't.

He added: "Barrera and Morales are slipping now. Their defences are leaking. They are getting hit more often, they've been hurt in fights and Naz would only need one opening to end the fight. If Naz came back in April he could potentially be in a position to fight and beat a Barrera within four fights."

And yet, despite this resounding and somewhat surprising endorsement, Steward was careful to add that Naz would have to be completely insulated from the blizzard of hangers-on who swirled around his final few camps.

He warned: "That's a situation Naseem cannot afford to have ever again. That is the reason he lost to Barrera in that one fight, the only loss in his entire career. I was supposed to be the head coach but the other guy (co-trainer Oscar Suarez) was telling Naz he didn't need to do that, take it easy here, take it easy there and so he got in Naz's ear more than me and eventually had more influence than I did.

"Because the other guy (Suarez) was making training such a comfortable thing for Naseem, Naseem wanted to train with him rather than work with me.

"If Naz comes back, he needs to have the right attitude and not listen to yes-men and (hangers-on)."

That is a concern shared by Frank Warren, who promoted Naz for 12 of his 18 'world' title fights in the mid to late 1990s.

"The lunatics took over the asylum," Warren told SecondsOut. "Naz was basically allowed to train whenever he wanted and you can't do that when you've got a Barrera training like a lunatic for you. But don't take my word for it: just look at the documentary that Naz's own brother produced (which was broadcast on UK television four years ago) and you'll see that Naz was getting beat up by sparring partners but all the people allegedly in charge were doing is arguing who's going to have the biggest room (in the fight hotel)."

Warren, who has also promoted Barrera for a brief time, added: "It's a shame because Naz was a tremendous fighter who generated a lot of excitement. I said at the time and I'll say it now that he was one of the very best fighters I've ever been involved with. He could have done more. Before Barrera got beat by Junior Jones (November 1996) I offered Barrera very good money to fight Naz and he just didn't want to know. At that time Naz was streets ahead of Barrera, Morales, all of them. But that time has gone. I've told Naz to stay retired."

And Barry Hearn, who promoted Hamed along with Naz's own Prince Promotions after the Warren split, told SecondsOut that he is also strongly against any Hamed return.

"Well, that's if we are to believe there will be a comeback," the Matchroom boss scoffed.

"Every now and then for the last four years we've heard these stories but for him to say he's coming back age 32 after four years off is an insult to our intelligences. Naz is a wonderful guy and I hope he's happy but even if he was serious I wouldn't want to be a part of any comeback. Yes, we'd sell tickets but if I put on Benn v Eubank III at the MEN Arena (the biggest indoor venue in the UK) it would sell out in 5 minutes and I'm not interested in that, either.

"I'm not interested in promoting Naz at this stage of his life. No. It just wouldn't be how I'd want to remember someone who was such a star and such an attraction. Prince Naseem is a great memory, he was a fantastic fighter and we all did well out of him. But he's a memory."

Fight Academy Promotion's Dennis Hobson vehemently disagrees.

"I've spoken to Naz and I told him that he's got to do interviews and talk to people so they believe that he's coming back this time," Hobson told SecondsOut. "We're putting Naz's protégé Billy Dib on our big show at the Sheffield Arena (Hatton v Maussa, Nov 26) and I think Naz is very serious about coming back and boxing again."

Hobson added: "I'm really a boxing fan from Sheffield who has become a successful promoter and, speaking as a fan as much as a promoter, I want to see Prince Naseem come back and set the record straight. I know boxing fans feel the same and would be right behind him."

Hobson's partner Robert Waterman, the other half of Fight Academy, is also cautiously optimistic.

"Naseem Hamed is not old," Waterman began. "He retired prematurely and I think he can come back and achieve big things again. But it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks: the real issue is what Naz wants to come back for.

"Why does he want to come back and what does he want to achieve? And - most importantly - how badly does he want to achieve it?"

Waterman added: "It's going to be very difficult for him to get into ring shape again and to get down in weight, but if he wants it badly enough he can do it. If he really wants to do it he could emulate Muhammad Ali, who also came back at this age after a similarly lengthy lay-off.

"I think Naseem can return and complete his legacy as one of the best British fighters of the modern era."

A lot of people like to quote Manny Steward, when he praises a certain fighter.
Well, as much as Manny knows about boxing, his opinions on these fighters shouldn't even be considered because he is biased...he trains them.

Find quotes from other very well-regarded fight people, who have no attatchment to the fighter in question.....& then their quotes will have validity.

A lot of people like to quote Manny Steward, when he praises a certain fighter.
Well, as much as Manny knows about boxing, his opinions on these fighters shouldn't even be considered because he is biased...he trains them.

Find quotes from other very well-regarded fight people, who have no attatchment to the fighter in question.....& then their quotes will have validity.
You raise a good point, and i have actually found some nice quotes from other respected boxing writers/historians and such, but people recognise Manny Steward a lot...

Also the quote isnt really "bigging up" Naz (the one in my sig at least). Its saying he may not have reached the History books yet, but he still has that to do...

Im looking forward to a Naz comeback and i truly believe he is one of the most exciting fighters to watch...

Soon im going to upload an hour long documentary on him, basically talking about his fight with MAB. It follows him for about 2 months before the fight i think, and is all exclusive footage from a friend of Naz's filming him training in all the lead up to the Barrerra fight. Its a great watch, even for those who dont like Naz. Insightful.

if ever NAZ will comeback, I want to see him against PACMAN along the way...

if ever NAZ will comeback, I want to see him against PACMAN along the way...

that will be the ****!

naz wont be back, if he does he wont last long at british level never mind world

exig give me your reasons why you think he could make a true impact if he came back and dont forget hes a fat 32 year old who hasnt boxed in four years :D

exig give me your reasons why you think he could make a true impact if he came back and dont forget hes a fat 32 year old who hasnt boxed in four years :D
Make that 3 because we have only started 06... :D

His power gives him a chance against anyone...He has taken his break and if he applies himself in the gym, a commited in shape Naz will not be stopped. Talent comes to him, and if the determination does too, he wont be stopped I dont think. Its all based on that really...

He also has to choose a good trainer and a good promotor. I know for sure that if he goes back to Ingle-Warren he will definetly make an impact on the world stage again...

Also he is not that old. Some boxers can prime at his age, and if he primes now i dont even want to think about some of the Knockouts he is possible of... :boxing:

pac will kick his ass

pac will kick his ass
Pac wouldnt need to go to the dictionary to find out the meaning of the word "served" if he fought Naz. :D

Naz was almost untouchable back in the glory days (94-95), probably the best young prospect ever seen.

Naseem Hamed will be destroyed by Manny Pacquiao.
Hamed will never reach a level where he'd compete with someone like Pacquiao.

Naseem looked like trash against Calvo...that's C-A-L-V-O, & that was almost 4 years ago.

He is finished.

I won't believe it till I see it....

Make that 3 because we have only started 06... :D

His power gives him a chance against anyone...He has taken his break and if he applies himself in the gym, a commited in shape Naz will not be stopped. Talent comes to him, and if the determination does too, he wont be stopped I dont think. Its all based on that really...

He also has to choose a good trainer and a good promotor. I know for sure that if he goes back to Ingle-Warren he will definetly make an impact on the world stage again...

Also he is not that old. Some boxers can prime at his age, and if he primes now i dont even want to think about some of the Knockouts he is possible of... :boxing:
It's cool that you're a loyal fan, and being optimistic is not a bad thing, but I just don't see it. He and Steward can blame whoever they want, but Naz is the guy who puts on the gloves, and ultimately wins or loses. A great champion must have the discipline to train hard on his own, so getting your ass whipped, and then pointing the finger at everyone else in your camp shows me that Naz hasn't matured, and never will. He is one of the most exciting fighters in the world when he's on, but saying he'll KO Morales or Barrera- please. Barrera destroyed him, and he has been fighting for the last 4 years- tough fights at that. The Princess needs to forget about ever being a champion again because it ain't gonna happen. Can you see him fighting at Lightweight? Do you honestly think he could hang with Corrales or any of the other elite lightweights? If you do, the you're fooling yourself.

Naseem Hamed will be destroyed by Manny Pacquiao.
Hamed will never reach a level where he'd compete with someone like Pacquiao.

Naseem looked like trash against Calvo...that's C-A-L-V-O, & that was almost 4 years ago.

He is finished.
He dominated Calvo.....

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I think this article raises some good points, and although it showed doubt that Naz would come back, Naz has already spoken out on terrestrial TV over here (UK) that he is coming back. He said this after the undercard of Williams - Harris (Amir Khan - Gethin i believe) not long ago..

After three and a half years of empty promises and phantom commitments, Prince Naseem Hamed's talk of a 2006 comeback has been lent an air of credibility by Hall of Famer Emanuel Steward, who believes the former featherweight champion willnot only conquer the world all over again but also knock out rivals Erik Morales and 2001 conqueror Marco Antonio Barrera.

His two former promoters are advising the Prince to remain in exile but ex-trainer Steward, who has guided over 30 fighters to world championships including Tommy Hearns and Lennox Lewis, states that he would be 'very interested' in working with the Prince again 'under the right circumstances'.

The Hall of Fame trainer told SecondsOut: "I'd like the chance to train Naseem again, yes, if he comes back. He can be world champion again, absolutely, he's a great talent, very, very skilful and is one of the two or three hardest punchers, pound-for-pound I've ever seen in my career."

Steward coached Hamed for five fights, from the KO over future IBF champion Paul Ingle in 1999 to the defeat to Barrera in April of 2001.

Hamed has not fought since May of 2002, when he first filled the London Arena with boos and then emptied it of fans with a dreadful 12 round performance against the abundantly average Manuel Calvo. Worse, prior to that points win, the Prince had not fought for another 13 month period, not since his April 2001 pistol-whipping by Marco Antonio Barrera in the only defeat of his 36 fight career.

Even in his prime,the switch-hitting showman from Sheffield was loath to do roadwork and there is a distinct impression in the trade that the Steel City man, after four years of spicy food and daytime TV, just won't have the mettle to graft in the gym.

Notwithstanding these factors, Steward is optimistic that Hamed can re-discover his old form at the age of (by fight time) 32. "People don't realise that Naseem always went up in weight between fights. He often weighed up to 154lbs (11stone) in between fights. Yeah, it will be hard to get down to the weight but I think it will only take about three months.

"I don't think he should go down all the way to featherweight anyway. What I'd like to do is have him come back and have an easier fight at lightweight before settling in at super-featherweight."

Steward said he hadn't spoken to his former charge in a year. "The last time I spoke on the phone to him he was saying he was enjoying his time off but he was still talking about coming back and winning titles again. He was boxing, training, almost every day from the age of seven to the age of 27, 28 and he just needed a break."

The Kronk gym taskmaster also opined Hamed's rivals Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales, who have completely eclipsed Hamed's legacy in his absence, are genuine targets for an in-shape Prince.

"Naz's punching power is such that he could always knock these guys out," Steward said. "His power is unlike anything I've ever seen and I've seen many thousands of fighters in my career. That power will still be there, Naz was born with it, you either have it or you don't.

He added: "Barrera and Morales are slipping now. Their defences are leaking. They are getting hit more often, they've been hurt in fights and Naz would only need one opening to end the fight. If Naz came back in April he could potentially be in a position to fight and beat a Barrera within four fights."

And yet, despite this resounding and somewhat surprising endorsement, Steward was careful to add that Naz would have to be completely insulated from the blizzard of hangers-on who swirled around his final few camps.

He warned: "That's a situation Naseem cannot afford to have ever again. That is the reason he lost to Barrera in that one fight, the only loss in his entire career. I was supposed to be the head coach but the other guy (co-trainer Oscar Suarez) was telling Naz he didn't need to do that, take it easy here, take it easy there and so he got in Naz's ear more than me and eventually had more influence than I did.

"Because the other guy (Suarez) was making training such a comfortable thing for Naseem, Naseem wanted to train with him rather than work with me.

"If Naz comes back, he needs to have the right attitude and not listen to yes-men and (hangers-on)."

That is a concern shared by Frank Warren, who promoted Naz for 12 of his 18 'world' title fights in the mid to late 1990s.

"The lunatics took over the asylum," Warren told SecondsOut. "Naz was basically allowed to train whenever he wanted and you can't do that when you've got a Barrera training like a lunatic for you. But don't take my word for it: just look at the documentary that Naz's own brother produced (which was broadcast on UK television four years ago) and you'll see that Naz was getting beat up by sparring partners but all the people allegedly in charge were doing is arguing who's going to have the biggest room (in the fight hotel)."

Warren, who has also promoted Barrera for a brief time, added: "It's a shame because Naz was a tremendous fighter who generated a lot of excitement. I said at the time and I'll say it now that he was one of the very best fighters I've ever been involved with. He could have done more. Before Barrera got beat by Junior Jones (November 1996) I offered Barrera very good money to fight Naz and he just didn't want to know. At that time Naz was streets ahead of Barrera, Morales, all of them. But that time has gone. I've told Naz to stay retired."

And Barry Hearn, who promoted Hamed along with Naz's own Prince Promotions after the Warren split, told SecondsOut that he is also strongly against any Hamed return.

"Well, that's if we are to believe there will be a comeback," the Matchroom boss scoffed.

"Every now and then for the last four years we've heard these stories but for him to say he's coming back age 32 after four years off is an insult to our intelligences. Naz is a wonderful guy and I hope he's happy but even if he was serious I wouldn't want to be a part of any comeback. Yes, we'd sell tickets but if I put on Benn v Eubank III at the MEN Arena (the biggest indoor venue in the UK) it would sell out in 5 minutes and I'm not interested in that, either.

"I'm not interested in promoting Naz at this stage of his life. No. It just wouldn't be how I'd want to remember someone who was such a star and such an attraction. Prince Naseem is a great memory, he was a fantastic fighter and we all did well out of him. But he's a memory."

Fight Academy Promotion's Dennis Hobson vehemently disagrees.

"I've spoken to Naz and I told him that he's got to do interviews and talk to people so they believe that he's coming back this time," Hobson told SecondsOut. "We're putting Naz's protégé Billy Dib on our big show at the Sheffield Arena (Hatton v Maussa, Nov 26) and I think Naz is very serious about coming back and boxing again."

Hobson added: "I'm really a boxing fan from Sheffield who has become a successful promoter and, speaking as a fan as much as a promoter, I want to see Prince Naseem come back and set the record straight. I know boxing fans feel the same and would be right behind him."

Hobson's partner Robert Waterman, the other half of Fight Academy, is also cautiously optimistic.

"Naseem Hamed is not old," Waterman began. "He retired prematurely and I think he can come back and achieve big things again. But it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks: the real issue is what Naz wants to come back for.

"Why does he want to come back and what does he want to achieve? And - most importantly - how badly does he want to achieve it?"

Waterman added: "It's going to be very difficult for him to get into ring shape again and to get down in weight, but if he wants it badly enough he can do it. If he really wants to do it he could emulate Muhammad Ali, who also came back at this age after a similarly lengthy lay-off.

"I think Naseem can return and complete his legacy as one of the best British fighters of the modern era."

how long did that take u ? to type!!! **** man!!! :eek: :eek:

Make that 3 because we have only started 06... :D

His power gives him a chance against anyone...He has taken his break and if he applies himself in the gym, a commited in shape Naz will not be stopped. Talent comes to him, and if the determination does too, he wont be stopped I dont think. Its all based on that really...

He also has to choose a good trainer and a good promotor. I know for sure that if he goes back to Ingle-Warren he will definetly make an impact on the world stage again...

Also he is not that old. Some boxers can prime at his age, and if he primes now i dont even want to think about some of the Knockouts he is possible of... :boxing:his last contest was may 02 its jan 06 nearer to 4 than 3 son :D okay by the time he fights (if he does of course) it be 4 FULL years is that better.

i see what your trying to say but its all based on major ifs and we need to look at his track record and be realistic, dont get me wrong id love for him to make a good comeback but i think he has much chance as vander does being crowned king of dance!!!
just say for arguements sake he gets a top trainer, what really can they do to his style, the answer is nothing, yes they can get him puunching sharp and fit (to a degree) but i honestly dont think the man has it in him.
Hes been out too long, his skills had eroded to the degree that he looked half shot against calvo, hes too heavy, hes too old and i dont think hes mentally strong enough or hungry enough to get back in decent shape to be competative at higher levels.
Yes his power was great and he was very naturally heavy handed but what made his kos so good was the angles,speed and accuracy from which they were delivered, if they landed great he usually hurt his opponants but when they missed (and he did alot of that in his last few fights) he was terribly off balance and wide open for almost any counter. Now his balance has always been ropey but when he was truly dedicated and young he could get away with it alot cos of his defence but that went out the window and the older he got the slower he got and since he relied on reflexes he was to put it bluntly - ****ed. thats why he turned into a one bomb thrower and negleted his body and work the older he got.

Juy is right circa 94 - 95 imo 97 he was (as you kids put it) ze **** boi.
but this is 2006 and its time to say goodnight sweet prince

the thing i dont understand is how can all you ppl say he is going to getted owned of Pac and barrera etc.... when you aint seen him fight for like 3 years ;)

nazfan do you really think hed have a better chance NOW rather than then, he isnt going to be better hes going to be worse, barrera would stop him late and pac would just be far too quick firing for him and would be out in a handful of rounds

the thing i dont understand is how can all you ppl say he is going to getted owned of Pac and barrera etc.... when you aint seen him fight for like 3 years ;)

That's funny actually.
He hasn't fought in 3 years....exactly. And, he hasn't looked good in over FIVE years.

Do you think he has become a better fighter, by eating everything in sight ?

That's funny actually.
He hasn't fought in 3 years....exactly. And, he hasn't looked good in over FIVE years.

Do you think he has become a better fighter, by eating everything in sight ?
You talk some amount of ****e by the way.

Try responding to a sensible and interesting post with some sensible answers man

You talk some amount of ****e by the way.

Try responding to a sensible and interesting post with some sensible answers man
The truth hurts all you Princess fans, huh? Jabs points are precise. Barrera beat his ass, and now he's miraculously gonna beat MAB down? Whatever. Pacquiao would make the beatdown Barrera put on him look like ballet- talk about a massacre.

You talk some amount of ****e by the way.

Try responding to a sensible and interesting post with some sensible answers man


Excuse me ?
"Sensible" ? I pointed out why Hamed isn't going to make it back to the level he was once at, & how the highest level he reached he had dropped from BEFORE he was retired.

This man is not Ray Leonard. He will not get back to where he was....he's damaged goods.
just because that's not what you want to hear, doesn't make it "****e"
"****e' = "Miguel Cotto is the most complete fighter in history"

who the **** said that jabs aboot cotto

who the **** said that jabs aboot cotto


Kerminator, himself.
He said it back before Cotto almost lost to Torres

naseem is an exposed out of shape clown.
but sympathize with the idiot naz nutthuggers.

only because i would like to see an idiot no holds barred 4rounder in thailand match between 300lb tua/derranged tyson. ;)

Kerminator, himself.
He said it back before Cotto almost lost to Torres
its true he is complete, well apart from his chin :D

you cant say this , maybe if you had some training videos to back it up or somthing , anyways time will tell
The Prince will Return ;)

its true he is complete, well apart from his chin :D


....& his defense, & his mecahnical style.

wtf nazfan, its called nature or father-time or as in nazs case the butty shop ;)

there are no training vids available cos he aint been training baby, hes a bad invisable no training hog eating mutha ****a
:D

Pac wouldnt need to go to the dictionary to find out the meaning of the word "served" if he fought Naz. :D

im from philippines ur from uk

nuff said

you cant say this , maybe if you had some training videos to back it up or somthing , anyways time will tell
The Prince will Return ;)


Actually....I think the Naz supporters have to produce evidence to support their beliefs.

Hamed has not looked good in many, many years......agreed ?

Take his fight with Augie Sanchez-
Sanchez didn't deserve a title shot...was a basic neophyte, & one who had been knocked unconscious (one shot) prior to facing Hamed.
Yet, there he was....giving Hamed hell, including an obvious knockdown (not a balance shot, either) that the ref ridiculously called a slip. Hamed took a lot of shots, before KOing the weak-chinned Sanchez.
Hamed was ready to be taken then, & that was August of 2000.

I was reffering to the eat everything he see's statement jabs

I just get frustrated by the way people just trashtalk all the time on here

I did'nt say Cotto was most complete in history ( that would be ****e considering he hasn't retired yet) however I said I though he was the most complete fighter I have seen and I doubt we can really question his chin as he has always came through his dodgy moments with a win and with Torres he showed he knows how to dig deep and produce results even when the chips are down.

This site could really be a great place to discuss boxing but its full of people who just want to sit in there homes and act the big man,

I would love to see this happen if these discussions took place in person.

There's too many young twats here who's sole purpose is to smacktalk people.

And there's always an idiot on hand to join in.

I was reffering to the eat everything he see's statement jabs

I just get frustrated by the way people just trashtalk all the time on here

I did'nt say Cotto was most complete in history ( that would be ****e considering he hasn't retired yet) however I said I though he was the most complete fighter I have seen and I doubt we can really question his chin as he has always came through his dodgy moments with a win and with Torres he showed he knows how to dig deep and produce results even when the chips are down.

This site could really be a great place to discuss boxing but its full of people who just want to sit in there homes and act the big man,

I would love to see this happen if these discussions took place in person.

There's too many young twats here who's sole purpose is to smacktalk people.

And there's always an idiot on hand to join in.


Well, if you choose to scour the archives, you will see that I mix trash talk in with true discussion. Not always, but here & there. This would be a boring, very un-manly place if everyone was pleasant & sweet all the time. I don't know what kind of guys many others, on here, hang around with, but I know my friends & I break each others' balls. Especially in sports debates.

you just talkin about jabs.
kerm u need to chill out he came across to me as just having a laugh with the eating everything line.
your last post u whinge about people talking **** then you go and do it????

I was reffering to the eat everything he see's statement jabs

I just get frustrated by the way people just trashtalk all the time on here

I did'nt say Cotto was most complete in history ( that would be ****e considering he hasn't retired yet) however I said I though he was the most complete fighter I have seen and I doubt we can really question his chin as he has always came through his dodgy moments with a win and with Torres he showed he knows how to dig deep and produce results even when the chips are down.

This site could really be a great place to discuss boxing but its full of people who just want to sit in there homes and act the big man,

I would love to see this happen if these discussions took place in person.

There's too many young twats here who's sole purpose is to smacktalk people.

And there's always an idiot on hand to join in.

it would be boring without all the smack talk, if you want a scholarly debate on anything go to a cafe, or get a blog and stay there, its all yours, you can talk all the cotto you want

Jabs you mentioned that you thought the Naz KD in Sanchez fight should have been counted... the one where he apparently slipped, but you didnt mention the way Sanchez got completely dismantled in that fight. That KO is so ****ing good its untrue, and that combo that finished him off what sweet beyond belief.

About the Calvo fight, i just watched it, and by far Naz's best round is the second and also the eleventh. He wasnt on form but the reflexes and power were still there. The hand speed was questionable, but still there. The only thing was that he went in there with a gameplan to box Calvo, (set up by Oscar Suarez as Manny Steward was sacked), and that plan got him the fight, but it wasnt exciting to watch. Seriously, go and watch that fight, you will see that Naz is still ducking in and out, the power is good and so is Calvo's chin. He slips once in the corner (perhaps water?), and wins every single round. It was "trash" by Hamed's standards, for sure. But winning every round and making a mess of the other dudes face, when he is at least European standard, in a comeback fight, with over a year out of the ring, is pretty good going if you ask me...

Jabs you mentioned that you thought the Naz KD in Sanchez fight should have been counted... the one where he apparently slipped, but you didnt mention the way Sanchez got completely dismantled in that fight. That KO is so ****ing good its untrue, and that combo that finished him off what sweet beyond belief.

About the Calvo fight, i just watched it, and by far Naz's best round is the second and also the eleventh. He wasnt on form but the reflexes and power were still there. The hand speed was questionable, but still there. The only thing was that he went in there with a gameplan to box Calvo, (set up by Oscar Suarez as Manny Steward was sacked), and that plan got him the fight, but it wasnt exciting to watch. Seriously, go and watch that fight, you will see that Naz is still ducking in and out, the power is good and so is Calvo's chin. He slips once in the corner (perhaps water?), and wins every single round. It was "trash" by Hamed's standards, for sure. But winning every round and making a mess of the other dudes face, when he is at least European standard, in a comeback fight, with over a year out of the ring, is pretty good going if you ask me...


No need to mention it....because there's no reason that Hamed should have struggled with Sanchez.
Big deal, he KO'd a guy who has something neurologically wrong with him. Did you read my post, where I mention Augie getting knocked unconscious early in his career ? Did you see his fight with JM Johnson / Knocked unconscious then, as well.
Snchez did not belong in a title fight, at that stage....so any good things you saw in Hamed, that night, are overshadowed by the low level of comp he faced then.

...& it should not have been ruled a slip. Hamed was NAILED by a straight right, & dropped.
Terrible, bull**** call by the referee.

No need to mention it....because there's no reason that Hamed should have struggled with Sanchez.
Big deal, he KO'd a guy who has something neurologically wrong with him. Did you read my post, where mention Augie getting knocked unconscious early in his career ? Did you see his fight with JM Johnson / Knocked unconscious then, as well.
Snchez did not belong in a title fight, at that stage....so any good things you saw in Hamed, that night, are overshadowed by the low level of comp he faced then.
Fair point....

Do you think Naz ever ducked anyone?

Im a member in alot of boxing forums but this one is the only one you cant actually have a decent boxing debate.

As for breaking your friends ball, well fair enough but thats your friends and they know you

every other site I go to people get a feel for which posters like a laugh etc etc then you can exchange some ball breaking and what not.

Although your stuff wasn't too bad jabs, it was not really needed and was not funny in the slightest and the post would have been a better post without it.

This is a forum for all ages guys, not all of us are tenagers.

Fair point....

Do you think Naz ever ducked anyone?


I don't think he had any interest in facing Marquez.

...& it should not have been ruled a slip. Hamed was NAILED by a straight right, & dropped.
Terrible, bull**** call by the referee.
I will conceed that KD..

I don't think he had any interest in facing Marque z.
I dont know about this, explain? Whilst i go to training... :D

Either way, he went for better though, right?

Im a member in alot of boxing forums but this one is the only one you cant actually have a decent boxing debate.

As for breaking your friends ball, well fair enough but thats your friends and they know you

every other site I go to people get a feel for which posters like a laugh etc etc then you can exchange some ball breaking and what not.

Although your stuff wasn't too bad jabs, it was not really needed and was not funny in the slightest and the post would have been a better post without it.

This is a forum for all ages guys, not all of us are tenagers.


If your idea of "adult discussion" is everyone agreeing & playing nice....then you have a problem. Save that angle for when you want to impress your lady friends with your supposed "maturity". You must not spend a whole lot of time around normal guys. You sound like a stiff.

This is BOXING, not chess. Have you ever gone to a boxing gym ? Lots of niceties & politeness in there, isn't there ?

Augie Sanchez beat Floyd Mayweather in 1996.

Augie Sanchez beat Floyd Mayweather in 1996.
I was actually going to mention that... although wasnt it a controversial decision or something? Like an olympic qualifier that backfired on PBF?

at the time marquez was high risk low money so i wouldnt say avoided but id say he was probly glad marquez lost to norwood, it justified him not fighting him to a degree

Augie Sanchez beat Floyd Mayweather in 1996.


Yet, Mayweather went to the Olympics...
Has won titles in three divisions.....is undefeated....& has never even been knocked down, much less knocked unconscious 3 times.

Thank you for showing us how pointless your constant amateur references are, JuyJuy.

I was actually going to mention that... although wasnt it a controversial decision or something? Like an olympic qualifier that backfired on PBF?
Not that I know of. He beat Mayweather fair and square but then lost a close decision to Mayweather at the Olympic Trials, is how I've heard it.

at the time marquez was high risk low money so i wouldnt say avoided but id say he was probly glad marquez lost to norwood, it justified him not fighting him to a degree
High Risk, Low Money...

**Sniffs around room** is that you Floyd Mayweather? :D

Yet, Mayweather went to the Olympics...
Has won titles in three divisions.....is undefeated....& has never even been knocked down, much less knocked unconscious 3 times.

Thank you for showing us how pointless your constant amateur references are, JuyJuy.
Mayweather has never been punched by Naseem Hamed.

Not that I know of. He beat Mayweather fair and square but then lost a close decision to Mayweather at the Olympic Trials, is how I've heard it.
Ah ok. I read something or saw something somewhere which mentioned a controversial decision between Sanchez and PBF at an olympic qualifier/trial, whatever you wanna call it. :)

High Risk, Low Money...

**Sniffs around room** is that you Floyd Mayweather? :D
haw haw haw thats how it seemed to me

just for your info i do think if naz had fought JMM back then 98-99 he would of won

Mayweather has never been punched by Naseem Hamed.


Hamed would have been horribly schooled by Mayweather. ridiculous to think otherwise.

haw haw haw thats how it seemed to me

just for your info i do think if naz had fought JMM back then 98-99 he would of won
Cant say i know much on Juan Manuel Marquez, but i do know that Naz is a little ****, with Middleweight power.

Only jokin' :o

some one said beofe Naz haddt been training on these 3 years off , i doubt he is just going to get back in the ring after 3 years having done no training , i reckon he wouldnt have stoped training maybe not as hard but i bet he stil trained ;)

have you seen how heavy hes looked nazfan, come on stop taking the piss

have you seen how heavy hes looked nazfan, come on stop taking the piss
i aint taking the piss im just saying he will have trained on his 3 years off

he dont look tht big , he looks bigger but mind you so does MAB
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/Croney9/Barrera_Hamed_meetagain_WILL1.jpg

he looks very roly poly to me

he looks very roly poly to me
ya he does look a bit larger than in my sig and tht but we will just need to wait and see ;) :D

Dude, I stopped reading Naz comeback articles in 2004.

Dude, I stopped reading Naz comeback articles in 2004.
he will be back ;) dont worry about tht one ;)

i have 160mil with suckapunch saying he will return :D

Whats your point? You think his "comeback" is actually going to mean something don't you? Kids...

And exactly what is the point of quoting Manny Steward when Hamed got hopelessly outclassed that night?

And exactly what is the point of quoting Manny Steward when Hamed got hopelessly outclassed that night?
At least if you are going to come on this thread, make sense.

it pisses me off how barerra passed up an opportunity to fight naz when he was in his prime "94-95", he passed it up back then cus he knew he would have gotten his ass served,

if naz indeed makes a comeback, look out for him, all he needs is a good trainer, a good promoter, and determination.

hes already got a very powerful punch, its crazy to think of the knockouts he can do if he comes back fit.

and just for the record

Naz In His Prime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pacqiao In His Prime

Real talk, naz cud own pacqiao, and still can if he comes back.

Exig....

Is that the latest picture of Naz in your avatar ?

i am tired of getting excited for naseem to come back. the prince has let me down too many times so i cant do it anymore. i would like him to come back but dont want to get set myself up for disappointment again.

mark my word if hamed comes back eventually hell become a promoter whether or not he fights.

It's cool that you're a loyal fan, and being optimistic is not a bad thing, but I just don't see it. He and Steward can blame whoever they want, but Naz is the guy who puts on the gloves, and ultimately wins or loses. A great champion must have the discipline to train hard on his own, so getting your ass whipped, and then pointing the finger at everyone else in your camp shows me that Naz hasn't matured, and never will. He is one of the most exciting fighters in the world when he's on, but saying he'll KO Morales or Barrera- please. Barrera destroyed him, and he has been fighting for the last 4 years- tough fights at that. The Princess needs to forget about ever being a champion again because it ain't gonna happen. Can you see him fighting at Lightweight? Do you honestly think he could hang with Corrales or any of the other elite lightweights? If you do, the you're fooling yourself.

That is what they told to the cinderalla man Roddrick

it pisses me off how barerra passed up an opportunity to fight naz when he was in his prime "94-95", he passed it up back then cus he knew he would have gotten his ass served,

if naz indeed makes a comeback, look out for him, all he needs is a good trainer, a good promoter, and determination.

hes already got a very powerful punch, its crazy to think of the knockouts he can do if he comes back fit.

and just for the record

Naz In His Prime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pacqiao In His Prime

Real talk, naz cud own pacqiao, and still can if he comes back.
In his prime Princess would've gotten rocked, and he wouldn't make it out of the 1st round if he came back and tried his hand, unless Manny was toying with him. RIDICULOUS!!!

naz is a freak (not in a good way, either). he plays to the crowd and IMO hes not that entertaining. his high KO percentage is mainly due to the poor quality of competition. and as soon as he fought a real fighter in barerra, MAB exposed him.

dont even think about him moving up past 126. hes 5'4", for god's sake. hes too small to move up. besides, if barerra so handily defeated naz, can you imagine what pacquiao would do to him?

Luisito Espinosa....Espi was calling out Naz like mad for a unification fight when he was WBC featherweight champ.

A lot of people like to quote Manny Steward, when he praises a certain fighter.
Well, as much as Manny knows about boxing, his opinions on these fighters shouldn't even be considered because he is biased...he trains them.

Find quotes from other very well-regarded fight people, who have no attatchment to the fighter in question.....& then their quotes will have validity.


Intelligently put....that's exactly right.

Returning to the ring again? :p 3 years, yes 3 years of talk.

Too much blah, blah, blah just go out there and fight for christ sake.

Blast You All.

if ever NAZ will comeback, I want to see him against PACMAN along the way...

I agree; I'd love to see this fight, even though Hamed is past his prime.

If it ever happens, it should be quite exciting.

Naz isnt the type who would you call a pure boxer but rather part-comic and part clown. he has very insane marches towars the ring with production numbers and fireworks. By the way he may also be a part-wrestler look at what he did with Cesar Soto. if he ever comes back then he should do away with these considering he's coming off as fat and hybernated 32 year old. On the other hand, it'll fun to have a clown at the very bust SF weight. :D

Luisito Espinosa....Espi was calling out Naz like mad for a unification fight when he was WBC featherweight champ.

yeah i remember this i think it was in a local channel that louie is howling crazy for naz and the princess just wouldnt want to hear anythin coz he's busy looking for lesser quality boxers to showcase his so-called "punching power". he prolly saw louie's famed "bolo" punch which got him scared. :D

Nas ain't comin back ladies. c'mon :rolleyes:

wow hamed isnt that entertaining huh okay is that evilsaint guy always this annoying? look at his list of favorite fighters and he says prince naseem isnt exciting. danny green, come on get real who has danny green ever fought and beat you want to talk about opposition.

hamed was exciting as heck to watch. anyone saying otherwise is just lying.

yes ur absolutely right ace kicker! prince naz duck luisito espinosa coz espinoza is calling him for a unification fight when he still the wbc featherweight champ, but naz keep on ignoring but when espinosa loss to cesar sotto in a decision the prince immediately fight sotto and bring a wrestling match with sotto. although the prince get the dicision against sotto the wbc featherweight belt was stripped to him bcoz he dont want to defend it to the no.1 challenger luisito espinosa. his reason "the wbo belt is my priority and more important"

Naz was beat up but he can come back. He is one of the most entertaining fighters I ever watched. I think he should give it another shot.

the only way he could do really do it at them small weights is to be in supreme condition.. then nobody could rush and out work him becuase of his power..

prince nnIseemto Vomet every time I here him run his big mouth

Would like to see Naz fella back..

Isn't he still in Jail? If not will be really come back. Who will he fight.. Hmmmm.

Isn't he still in Jail? If not will be really come back. Who will he fight.. Hmmmm.

Hes out...and as for his 06 comeback, hes running out of days.

your sig as sick as ****.you probably think a defenceless man being shot in the head is cool.....

you arse for a face

Naz is kinda like Roy Jones. They're both shot after the speed and reflexes slow.

Naz was almost untouchable back in the glory days (94-95), probably the best young prospect ever seen.

Take a reality check, dude. "probably the best young prospect ever seen"? You're just about nine or ten million miles out. Hamed fought three good fighters, one knocked him down, one kicked his ass, the other we won't worry about...

your sig as sick as ****.you probably think a defenceless man being shot in the head is cool.....

you arse for a face

Who said I thought it was cool?

and as for his 06 comeback, hes running out of days.

I agree...

His fat ass aint cumin back! If he did he'd get murdered, He was a reflex fighter and they were on the slide BEFORE he retired! He was a hell of a fighter for a while tho

naz had great natural talent but avoided tough fights until pushed into a corner and then lost

nuff said

naz had great natural talent but avoided tough fights until pushed into a corner and then lost

nuff said
What you talkin' about son?

Barrera avoided Naseem Hamed from 1995 right up until 2001. In 2000 he still wasn't ready for Naseem Hamed as he sat ringside at the Augie Sanchez fight. Naseem mentions that the only one who would get in the ring was Augie, which was just as well since he had the same knockout percentage as him with only one loss. Morales and Barrera both ringside were spectating.

The night Barrera won the title of Richie Wenton, Barrera's management team came to the conclusion that he still wasn't ready for Naseem as they watched Naseem on the same card; the main event.

So don't bring that Bs anywhere near this thread.

What you talkin' about son?

Barrera avoided Naseem Hamed from 1995 right up until 2001. In 2000 he still wasn't ready for Naseem Hamed as he sat ringside at the Augie Sanchez fight. Naseem mentions that the only one who would get in the ring was Augie, which was just as well since he had the same knockout percentage as him with only one loss. Morales and Barrera both ringside were spectating.

The night Barrera won the title of Richie Wenton, Barrera's management team came to the conclusion that he still wasn't ready for Naseem as they watched Naseem on the same card; the main event.

So don't bring that Bs anywhere near this thread.

lol dont bring that bull**** here, naseem avoided most big names , larry merchant even said it himself, when mayweather called him out

lol dont bring that bull**** here, naseem avoided most big names , larry merchant even said it himself, when mayweather called him out
Ok, whatever you say.

I'm actually bored of arguing with people on here that have absolutely no idea what the **** they are talking about.

Avoided most big names and unified every belt in the division. Nice one.

I havent bothered to go back and read some of the 100 posts from other posters but if Naz comes back in shape , focused and healthy he stands a very good chance IMO at beating Manny Pacquaoi. It's Naz's style and cleverness and big punches out of nowewhere that pose as his advantages. He was always good at beating guys who came straight forward trying to knock him out.

The only thing is he would have to tag Manny before he gets tagged repeatedly cuz I highly doubt that Naz's chin will hold up against Pac's power punches.

i think that If Naz had fought and beaten the other top featherweight during his reign, luisito espinosa & Freddie Norwood, then people wouldnt be questioning him. i think he would have beaten both but we'll never know, kinda like roy jones with eubank and benn

Hamed fell out of love with boxing in 1998.

I wonder if he's getting in shape?

that will be the ****!

totally agreed