Both at their peaks, motivated, who wins?

Joe Louis 196-207lb, 6'2, 76" reach.
Lennox Lewis 225-245lb, 6'5, 84" reach.

Their looses to Max S., McCall and Rahman weren't peak in motivation or training.

Lennox Lewis would outweigh Joe Louis by aprox. 50 lbs, and he would also outreach him by a mile.

I don't think the above mentioned would matter at all. Lewis was way too slow and plodding to even stand a ghost of a chance against Louis. I believe that Louis would easily find his way under Lewis' jab and deliver a monsterous beating to the head and body. Lewis would be too slow to avoid the punishment, and considering his weak chin and Louis' superb punch, I don't think this fight would go very far.

Joe Louis by ko5.

lewis' weak chin would have louis winning in 6.

Joe would do him good.

Lennox is too skilled for his size to lose to Joe. LL has just about every conceivable advantage over JL. I see this one playing out alot like Lewis-Tyson. Lewis KO 9 :boxing:

Lennox is too skilled for his size to lose to Joe. LL has just about every conceivable advantage over JL. I see this one playing out alot like Lewis-Tyson.

besides size and a little punching power, such as what?

IMO foot speed, a better jab, and he was almost as, if not more, skilled.

IMO foot speed, a better jab, and he was almost as, if not more, skilled.

footwork was basically the same, chin goes to louis, defense goes to louis, handspeed goes to louis. and since lewis' chin is weak, louis would probably knock him out. if the fight goes the distance, louis definetely wins also.

Louis had a weak chin too..

I disagree. I think Lewis was faster afoot, had the better chin, defense and power. He also had the better jab which would be the key in this fight. Louis had faster hands but that's about it IMHO.

Louis had a weak chin too..

not as weak as lewis.

both had average chin about 6.5/10

Teenagers schooling us about Joe Louis' chin! :rolleyes:

How fukking long??!

Teenagers schooling us about Joe Louis' chin! :rolleyes:

How fukking long??!

feel intimidated? ;)

Yeah....that's it.

Yeah....that's it.

well, don't feel bad, it happens all the time!! :D

I dont think you guys know really what a weak chin is. Yeah, Lewis went down a couple times but he was never seriously hurt (except when Rahman lucky punch KOed his ass). Someone like Frank Bruno never goes down but when he gets hit his brain scrambles has a weak chin while someone like Chico Corrales has a good chin because when he does go down he is never seriously hurt and is still throwing with power.

Lewis would see Louis as a threat, therefore Lewis would train hard and use his scientific approach to break Louis down and stop him late.

Lewis would see Louis as a threat, therefore Lewis would train hard and use his scientific approach to break Louis down and stop him late.

wouldn't do him any good, cause louis would train hard too.

lewis outweighs him by a tonne and hes taller and has longer reach. lewis chin is better seeing he got knocked by shots theat were devastating and not expected, louis got knocked down many times. lewis is a very smart fighter, a strategist. lewis wins for sure

Come on, even if Lennox's chin is stronger than Joe's, it wouldn't last him the distance. Louis had better handspeed, more accuracy, and a better jab. Lennox's big swings would leave Louis a chance to get inside and kill him (just as Louis did to Baer's big swings).

Louis KO 5.

lewis wudnt let him get close and when he did, a clinche wud be on the way

Just like he did to Tyson.

I can't believe people actually think that Lewis can beat Louis. Different levels, very different. I see Lewis being KOed in 7 or 8 by the heavy handed louis.

Joe Louis would always be in with a chance but i'd have to favour lewis based on the massive size difference!

Joe Louis would always be in with a chance but i'd have to favour lewis based on the massive size difference!

I think this match would be reminisence of the second B. Baer fight or second Simon fight.

i like joe louis and all, i have him second all time, but thats only for his record, truthfully out of the rest of the 9 that make up my top 10, all of them would KO joe, lewis is way to big way to strong for the weak chinned, slow, small joe louis

i like joe louis and all, i have him second all time, but thats only for his record, truthfully out of the rest of the 9 that make up my top 10, all of them would KO joe, lewis is way to big way to strong for the weak chinned, slow, small joe louis

WTF?! Louis would kill that big mofo, no prob! I say ko by 2.

The only thing Lewis and Bear have in commen is size. Lewis was 100x more talented.

Lewis would blow Louis out in 1 or 2 and thats realistic people

The only thing Lewis and Bear have in commen is size. Lewis was 100x more talented.

Lewis would blow Louis out in 1 or 2 and thats realistic people

Heeeeelll no! Dat slow punk wouldnt stand no chance against the faster, harder hitting and more skilled Louis. He must fall, and fall hard.

Heeeeelll no! Dat slow punk wouldnt stand no chance against the faster, harder hitting and more skilled Louis. He must fall, and fall hard.


Couple things:

1. Lennox Lewis was NOT a slow fighter

2. Lewis was a highly skilled boxer. His ring genralship was as good as you'll ever see in a heavyweight.

Ok a few things, Lewis is a great physical specimen with skills power and intelligence. however a couple of times in his career he showed that he COULD be outjabbed. [Bruno and Mercer]. I do think Lewis is generally underrated though, and would beat most of the great heavyweights on his day.

Lewis has a chin of shit, Louis has awesome KO power and a better chin. I've watched the Mchall and punch a while ago and it wasn't even that much of a punch. Louis is way more accurate and precise with his punches, so i think he would get inside glass Lewis. Also, Joe Louis CAN outjab an opponent with the result of a late KO.

Joe Louis KO6

Lewis has a chin of shit, Louis has awesome KO power and a better chin. I've watched the Mchall and punch a while ago and it wasn't even that much of a punch. Louis is way more accurate and precise with his punches, so i think he would get inside glass Lewis. Also, Joe Louis CAN outjab an opponent with the result of a late KO.

Joe Louis KO6

joe louis reminds u of tyson maybe? and we all know what happened to tyson when lennox sparred him and in 2000 when they fought!

joe louis reminds u of tyson maybe? and we all know what happened to tyson when lennox sparred him and in 2000 when they fought!

2002 lol.
Tyson and Louis are totally diffirent fighter, plus Tyson was shit when he fought Lewis. Lewis ducked him when he was still fresh. I dont know why everybody alway brings up Tyson when i post.

It was Tyson who ducked Lewis, he paid him off not to fight him.
Anyway, people who say lewis' chin is terrible or garbage etc, are talking nonsense IMO, he was hit plenty of times without getting knocked out. his chin certainly isn't granite, but it's not bad either.
He underrated McCall and was caught with a blind right hand, and he also didn't take the Rahman fight seriously, didn't stay in Africa long enough to prepare and was caught by a huge right hand. so what? that's not a bad chin at all.

lewis didnt have bag chin at all. whoever truly believes louis could beat Lewis is living in the past. ive seen plenty Joe Louis to know taht he got knocked down and got hurt many more times then Lewis. Joe louis's defense was know where near lewis's. Lewis would outjab him anyday of the week and Lewis was the best strategist i ever saw in the ring. He would beat louis for sure

How is this even a question. Come on guys - I would be shocked if Louis even got a hand on Lennox. Has anyone actually seen video footage of Joe Louis? Maybe if they both had modern training methods and such, but straight up - Lewis just jabs the hell out of him. Lewis' weak chin wouldn't matter a bit. I think Antonio Tarver / Roy Jones stands a shot at Joe Louis (watch the Billy Conn fight), let alone Lennox, who pulverizes him. A few right hands and that's all she wrote.

How is this even a question. Come on guys - I would be shocked if Louis even got a hand on Lennox. Has anyone actually seen video footage of Joe Louis? Maybe if they both had modern training methods and such, but straight up - Lewis just jabs the hell out of him. Lewis' weak chin wouldn't matter a bit. I think Antonio Tarver / Roy Jones stands a shot at Joe Louis (watch the Billy Conn fight), let alone Lennox, who pulverizes him. A few right hands and that's all she wrote.

Louis has a better right hand than Lennox.

Louis has a better jab than Lennox.

Lennox takes those long, gaping swings, therefore leaving a chance for Louis to rip in with combinations to the body and head.

billy conn about to beat Louis, i rest my case

Louis by far had the better chin. His knockout losses were much more forgivable due to their nature (having the shit pounded out of him for several rounds before he was finally KO'ed), and the opponents he was facing. Losing by one punch knockout is incredibly damaging to a fighter's reputation and it happened to Lewis twice. That is what I call an awful chin. Let's not forget the times he was seriously hurt by lesser opponents like Briggs.

Louis might have been dropped and hurt by guys like Buddy Baer and Braddock but he always got right up, clear headed and pissed off, and continued to fight skillfully.

Louis by far had the better chin. His knockout losses were much more forgivable due to their nature (having the shit pounded out of him for several rounds before he was finally KO'ed), and the opponents he was facing. Losing by one punch knockout is incredibly damaging to a fighter's reputation and it happened to Lewis twice. That is what I call an awful chin. Let's not forget the times he was seriously hurt by lesser opponents like Briggs.

Louis might have been dropped and hurt by guys like Buddy Baer and Braddock but he always got right up, clear headed and pissed off, and continued to fight skillfully.

Right on, man!

When Lennox Lewis was focused and aware of his opponents danger, he let his boxing ability take care of business, his chin, regardless of how people view it, dosen't come into it.
Louis may well have recovered and got up from Braddock and Baer, but with all due respect, i can't see them having the power of Lennox Lewis.
I think the Briggs fight actually puts Lewis in a good light, beause it shows he could recover. and lets not forget him trading with the not light hitting Ray Mercer.
Lewis is a big modern day athlete with more skills than weaknesses, i think he would be too big too strong, and catch Louis with that right hand flush at some point.

I think there is this overcompensation for old time fighers by people with rose tinted glasses. thats not to say they're not legendary fighters, of course they are. but as i've said before, evolution would suggest most of the modern fighers would win because of size and better techniques. for example how many old time records still stand in athlectics or any other sports for that matter?

When Lennox Lewis was focused and aware of his opponents danger, he let his boxing ability take care of business, his chin, regardless of how people view it, dosen't come into it.
Louis may well have recovered and got up from Braddock and Baer, but with all due respect, i can't see them having the power of Lennox Lewis.
I think the Briggs fight actually puts Lewis in a good light, beause it shows he could recover. and lets not forget him trading with the not light hitting Ray Mercer.
Lewis is a big modern day athlete with more skills than weaknesses, i think he would be too big too strong, and catch Louis with that right hand flush at some point.

I think there is this overcompensation for old time fighers by people with rose tinted glasses. thats not to say they're not legendary fighters, of course they are. but as i've said before, evolution would suggest most of the modern fighers would win because of size and better tecniques. for example how many old time records still stand in athlectics?

doesn't matter, louis gets in his pulverizing punches before lennox does and stops lewis early in the 5th or 6th.

billy conn about to beat Louis, i rest my case

Anytime you ****ers bring this match up, it's always negative for Louis. You never seem to remember how bad Louis ****ed Conn up the second time around, and that he still won the first time. Hell, Louis had an off night. Louis was practically hydrated that fight. Nevertheless, these ****ers that point that match at always seem to forget who was standing at the end of the fight.

Here's one for ya: Hasim Rahman BEAT Lennox Lewis, I rest my case.

Louis was practically hydrated that fight.

Thats practically a good thing.

Thats practically a good thing.

i think he meant to say dehydrated.

rahman is 220 pounds plus, dont compare him to Billy Conn who was 170 pounds mate. If youse seen the way Louis fights, hes vulnerable to lead lead hooks, the one that lewis used to knock out rahman. lewis would throw a left hook to fuk up louis's guard and the rigth would come overtop like he did to rahman, SAY GOODBYE TO LOUIS. and if u dont believe me, watch Louis Vs Mauriello. Mauriello throws a left hook and a right hand after it and really hurts Louis, Louis was very close to falling. If that had been a Lewis 1-2 combo, Louis would be kissing teh canvas

rahman is 220 pounds plus, dont compare him to Billy Conn who was 170 pounds mate. If youse seen the way Louis fights, hes vulnerable to lead lead hooks, the one that lewis used to knock out rahman. lewis would throw a left hook to fuk up louis's guard and the rigth would come overtop like he did to rahman, SAY GOODBYE TO LOUIS. and if u dont believe me, watch Louis Vs Mauriello. Mauriello throws a left hook and a right hand after it and really hurts Louis, Louis was very close to falling. If that had been a Lewis 1-2 combo, Louis would be kissing teh canvas

come to think of it, it's very possible for lewis to ko louis like that.

Yes but Lewis was also an even bigger sucker for a right hand (see McCall and Rahman) and Louis threw it straighter and better than either man. Lewis had a terrible chin really, and was really at risk against any dangerous puncher he faced. Watch the Tyson fight where he cautiously beat down a shot ex champ for 8 rounds when he could have ended it in 3 or less. Lewis knew his chin sucked. Don't think that didn't weigh on his mind at all times. It's the reason for his "scientific" approach to David Tua as well.

this would be one-sided. lewis would crush poor joe.

People, dont look at a few seconds of old Joe Louis videos where he looks small. He was 6,2 so height wouldn't be such a big problem/

agreed joe was to skilled he would jab lewis repeatedly from the first bell and land one of those bombs by mid round

agreed joe was to skilled he would jab lewis repeatedly from the first bell and land one of those bombs by mid round

yeah, that's probably what would happen.

Bad Matchup for Joe. Lennox is too big for him, Louis had never seen such a fighter in his day, Lennox jab makes joe end up looking worse than Klitschko dide at the end, but this time Lennox will be ahead on the cards when its stopped.

louis by KO 6

Your out of your cracker! Lewis would stop him in 3!

i voted louis, as much as lewis is my favourite boxer, louis was just a classic boxer as we all know.

lewis's chin may not have been the best, but it certainly wasnt weak. watch the 2 fights he lost, he was messing around with them(taunting) thats why he got caught!