View Full Version : Cotto vs Harris: Who Wins


DLT
01-13-2005, 12:26 AM
One minute I think Cotto and the next I think Harris, so basicly im 50/50 on it. I also think thats how the fight would be. A close down to the wire somewhat contreversial ending. I believe it will be cause for a rematch but if Cotto wins then he might try to move on for bigger fights while Harris will be saying that he is scared because he knows what really happened the first time

LiveNBleedBoxing
01-13-2005, 12:42 AM
Cotto by UD

Tha Greatest
01-13-2005, 12:43 AM
I dont know i would love to see them fight

i think it would be a great fight

SweetScience
01-13-2005, 01:01 AM
Cotto has trouble with tall ranging fighters. Pinto was doing good in his fight with Cotto, WHEN he was fighting on the outside. That's were Harris comes in. Harris will give Cotto BIG problems. Harris has a punch that Cotto might not handle. With Manny Stewart on Harris side, I really think he will beat Cotto as of right now. Cotto is still green, that plays into my prediction as well. To top it off, Harris is HUNGRY dying for attention! He won't let this opportunity past him by. This fight needs to be done.

borikua
01-13-2005, 01:09 AM
I've never seen Vivian fight...but if he is not better than Tszyu or Floyd I think that Cotto should have no problem in beating him...Btw I just saw the fight btw Cotto and Abdulaev(?) in Sydney and Cotto got rob big time…

Saint3605
01-13-2005, 01:13 AM
would be a good fight, I think it will be a big test for Cotto. Cotto by ud

phallus
01-13-2005, 01:14 AM
Harris is a good fighter, i don't think Cotto is ready for him, now, especially not if Vivian brings his A game to the fight
AND, if Harris really is bankrupt, man is he gonna be hungry, he'll be desperate to beat Cotto so he can get more big $$$$ fights, it all adds up to bad news for Cotto

borikua
01-13-2005, 01:24 AM
Harris is a good fighter, i don't think Cotto is ready for him, now, especially not if Vivian brings his A game to the fight
AND, if Harris really is bankrupt, man is he gonna be hungry, he'll be desperate to beat Cotto so he can get more big $$$$ fights, it all adds up to bad news for Cotto

good point, but Cotto's hungry too...he ain't in the mills yet.

elveiel
01-13-2005, 03:36 AM
Cotto UD

Harris is a good fighter but his style isnt suited for Cotto, I doubt he could close range to land the big right and Cotto's combo speed would be too much for him.

Harris would be better fighting Tszyu, Hatton or Gatti.

DLT
01-13-2005, 03:43 AM
Cotto UD

Harris is a good fighter but his style isnt suited for Cotto, I doubt he could close range to land the big right and Cotto's combo speed would be too much for him.

Harris would be better fighting Tszyu, Hatton or Gatti.
He throws his right from long range

elveiel
01-13-2005, 06:04 AM
He throws his right from long range

I know but Cotto's pretty mobile and has a good defence at range, the right will obviously hit sometimes but the styles make it less likely. Maybe Harris will beat Cotto but my money on Cotto.

Cotto hasnt shown to many weaknesses but i'd say fighter like Tszyu and Hatton would have the best chance against him, i think Cotto's defence(high hands, movement) could struggle against a mobile pressure fighter would can bang to the body.

I also think Mayweathers in and out tactics could earn a UD over Cotto.

But like i said Cotto not shown any weakness, maybe because of the level of opposition but it means i'm only guessing.

psychopath
01-13-2005, 06:58 AM
I don't know guys I'm not sure . . . but I'm definitely rooting for Cotto. :D

Dkknight
01-13-2005, 07:50 AM
I have never seen the guy Vivian Harris fight, but I have seen Cotto. Pinto is a good fighter, and sad to say he made Pinto look bad. Remember, Pinto had beat Cotto twice in their amauter careers, and he said that Cotto was not the same fighter. I did notice that when Pinto boxed him and stayed on the outside that he did manange to do a little better vs. Cotto. But as soon as he started trading shots with him, it was over. So I guess Cotto CAN be outboxed. If there's a fighter out there who can be disciplined enough to box the entire time and not trade punches with him, then they might have a chance. But Cotto will be very hard to stop, IMO. I have not seen a fighter with such explosiveness in a long time. Maybe I'm not watching the right fights. :o

Fareastwarrior
01-13-2005, 07:54 AM
I predict it will be a victory for Miguel Cotto and there's big chance that this fight will go to distance with Cotto winning on unanimous decision. I'am not really impressed by Vivian Harris, although I considered him a good fighter. Let's wait if this fight will happen.

DLT
01-13-2005, 09:41 AM
I know but Cotto's pretty mobile and has a good defence at range, the right will obviously hit sometimes but the styles make it less likely. Maybe Harris will beat Cotto but my money on Cotto.

Cotto hasnt shown to many weaknesses but i'd say fighter like Tszyu and Hatton would have the best chance against him, i think Cotto's defence(high hands, movement) could struggle against a mobile pressure fighter would can bang to the body.

I also think Mayweathers in and out tactics could earn a UD over Cotto.

But like i said Cotto not shown any weakness, maybe because of the level of opposition but it means i'm only guessing.
He has shown his biggest weakness by getting boxed from the outside

DLT
01-13-2005, 09:43 AM
I have never seen the guy Vivian Harris fight, but I have seen Cotto. Pinto is a good fighter, and sad to say he made Pinto look bad. Remember, Pinto had beat Cotto twice in their amauter careers, and he said that Cotto was not the same fighter. I did notice that when Pinto boxed him and stayed on the outside that he did manange to do a little better vs. Cotto. But as soon as he started trading shots with him, it was over. So I guess Cotto CAN be outboxed. If there's a fighter out there who can be disciplined enough to box the entire time and not trade punches with him, then they might have a chance. But Cotto will be very hard to stop, IMO. I have not seen a fighter with such explosiveness in a long time. Maybe I'm not watching the right fights. :o
The level of opposition has alot to do with how good he has looked. We will find out alot about Cotto after the Corley fight

PRboxingfan
01-13-2005, 09:52 AM
Cotto has trouble with tall ranging fighters. Pinto was doing good in his fight with Cotto, WHEN he was fighting on the outside. That's were Harris comes in. Harris will give Cotto BIG problems. Harris has a punch that Cotto might not handle. With Manny Stewart on Harris side, I really think he will beat Cotto as of right now. Cotto is still green, that plays into my prediction as well. To top it off, Harris is HUNGRY dying for attention! He won't let this opportunity past him by. This fight needs to be done.
Well, Carlos Mausa was having trouble with Cotto and he was trying to fight from the outside, too. Pinto had one good round, that's it. Cotto has no problem with rangy fighters that I can see. Just because one fighter fought at range for a round and won it doesn't imply trouble with them. Maybe it took Cotto a round to figure out how to close the distance, ever think of it that way?

I think Cotto's devastating body attack (especially on a taller fighter with so much torso) would be the difference in him winning by late KO or by UD.

DLT
01-13-2005, 09:56 AM
Well, Carlos Mausa was having trouble with Cotto and he was trying to fight from the outside, too. Pinto had one good round, that's it. Cotto has no problem with rangy fighters that I can see. Just because one fighter fought at range for a round and won it doesn't imply trouble with them. Maybe it took Cotto a round to figure out how to close the distance, ever think of it that way?

I think Cotto's devastating body attack (especially on a taller fighter with so much torso) would be the difference in him winning by late KO or by UD.
Mausa and Pinto are not on Harris level. The stuff that works against those weaker opponents dont always work against the best. If Harris hit's him with one of those big rights he will be in trouble

elveiel
01-13-2005, 10:12 AM
He has shown his biggest weakness by getting boxed from the outside

I dont understand why people say Pinto was outboxing Cotto :confused:

Pinto used his extra reach a couple of times and landed with the jab, it was Pinto's willingness to trade&pressure that unsettled Cotto.

IMO the only person who could outbox Cotto from the outside is Mayweather, Using in and out tactics and mixing jab to head and body, maybe a couple of lead rights.

Floydmayweather
01-13-2005, 10:21 AM
Cotto had trouble with Pinto, right. Watch the fight again he made Pinto look like a bum. Once Cotto kills Corley people will see he is for real.

elveiel
01-13-2005, 10:26 AM
Cotto had trouble with Pinto, right. Watch the fight again he made Pinto look like a bum. Once Cotto kills Corley people will see he is for real.

I wouldnt say he made him look like a bum, Cotto was unsettled more than usual.

Corley will be a good step up for Cotto, but i expect Cotto to take him out.

DLT
01-13-2005, 10:26 AM
Cotto had trouble with Pinto, right. Watch the fight again he made Pinto look like a bum. Once Cotto kills Corley people will see he is for real.
He might beat Corley but he wont kill him and I wouldnt be suprised if he lost. He will be by far the best guy that he's fought plus he's a lefty

Floydmayweather
01-13-2005, 10:44 AM
Chop chop is good but i just think Cotto is that much better.

PRboxingfan
01-13-2005, 10:46 AM
Mausa and Pinto are not on Harris level. The stuff that works against those weaker opponents dont always work against the best. If Harris hit's him with one of those big rights he will be in trouble
Oh, like Bailey didn't have a powerful right that Cotto took very well. I doubt Harris has a bigger right than Bailey, just look at the KO percentages.

PRboxingfan
01-13-2005, 10:47 AM
He might beat Corley but he wont kill him and I wouldnt be suprised if he lost. He will be by far the best guy that he's fought plus he's a lefty
Yes, he is the best Cotto has faced and is a lefty (which is what Cotto needs) but I doubt Cotto will lose to him. Weirder things have happened in boxing, tho.

However, if Cotto KO's him I hope you are man enough to admit that you were wrong.

MlLkMan
01-13-2005, 10:50 AM
I think Cotto will win by TKO in the late rounds.

srs2000
01-13-2005, 12:26 PM
cotto will win

DLT
01-13-2005, 04:15 PM
Yes, he is the best Cotto has faced and is a lefty (which is what Cotto needs) but I doubt Cotto will lose to him. Weirder things have happened in boxing, tho.

However, if Cotto KO's him I hope you are man enough to admit that you were wrong.
I was wrong about what? I hope you just mean it being a tough fight

riz
01-13-2005, 06:22 PM
at this stage

its really hard to go against coto

SweetScience
01-13-2005, 06:28 PM
Oh, like Bailey didn't have a powerful right that Cotto took very well. I doubt Harris has a bigger right than Bailey, just look at the KO percentages.

Bailey is SHOT DOWN.

You haven't seen Harris fight, Harris has a right hand that can hurt anybody in the division. I'm not a fan of Cotto or Harris but I'm a fan of good fights. I think this would be a good fight for both guys. Harris has a belt if that means anything, but his belt is a true world title while Cotto's is a poor version (Tszyu's the undisputed champ regardless). That should be a good reason for this fight to happen, two young lions going at it.

Pullcounter
01-13-2005, 06:33 PM
Hard to say. I've never seen Harris fight, but Harris' height, reach, skill and power might give Cotto trouble. I pick Cotto, but it's an uninformed pick.

Knicksman20
01-13-2005, 06:38 PM
Corley is gonna get stopped in this fight because Cotto comes in weighing like a Jr. Middleweight. I don't think Corley has the power to get Cotto's respect to keep him at bay. I would love to see Vivian Harris vs Cotto. That fight makes alot of sense & it would show just how good each fighter is.

DLT
01-14-2005, 12:25 AM
Corley is gonna get stopped in this fight because Cotto comes in weighing like a Jr. Middleweight. I don't think Corley has the power to get Cotto's respect to keep him at bay. I would love to see Vivian Harris vs Cotto. That fight makes alot of sense & it would show just how good each fighter is.
This will be a tough fight for Cotto and he might lose. I dont think Cotto can knock him out

Knicksman20
01-14-2005, 12:48 AM
This will be a tough fight for Cotto and he might lose. I dont think Cotto can knock him out

The one thing that makes me say that is because Zab dropped him with 1 punch & Floyd overwhelmed him with a flurry of punches. Cotto comes in so heavy by fight night that he'll be hittng Corley harder than he's ever been hit.

DLT
01-14-2005, 12:57 AM
The one thing that makes me say that is because Zab dropped him with 1 punch & Floyd overwhelmed him with a flurry of punches. Cotto comes in so heavy by fight night that he'll be hittng Corley harder than he's ever been hit.
It was more of Zab's and Floyd's speed then power. Cotto's power wont bother him. He has fought Zab and Baily who are both power punchers but the biggest thing that people are forgetting is that he has sparred alot of rounds with Zoo and Mayorga so Cotto's power wont have a huge effect. He has also sparred with Joppy

Knicksman20
01-14-2005, 01:03 AM
It was more of Zab's and Floyd's speed then power. Cotto's power wont bother him. He has fought Zab and Baily who are both power punchers but the biggest thing that people are forgetting is that he has sparred alot of rounds with Zoo and Mayorga so Cotto's power wont have a huge effect. He has also sparred with Joppy

I knew he sparred with Zoo but I didn't know he sparred with Mayo or Joppy. Corley's a solid contender but has come up short in his biggests fights & seems to be declining a bit. If he can take Cotto into the later rounds I think he could make the fight interesting. I just don't see him being able to absorb some of Cotto's body attack. I think Harris would beat Cotto because of his good jab & right hand.

DLT
01-14-2005, 01:09 AM
I knew he sparred with Zoo but I didn't know he sparred with Mayo or Joppy. Corley's a solid contender but has come up short in his biggests fights & seems to be declining a bit. If he can take Cotto into the later rounds I think he could make the fight interesting. I just don't see him being able to absorb some of Cotto's body attack. I think Harris would beat Cotto because of his good jab & right hand.
He sparred with Mayorga and got him ready for the Spinks fight just like he got Zoo ready for the Mitchell fight. He sparred with Joppy because they are both from DC and train in the same gym alot but they are not friends anymore. He came up short against Floyd and Zab but I think that Cotto is a better matchup for him because he's not as fast but more importantly he's not as experienced. Floyd and Zab have fought guys better then Chop but Cotto hasnt

Superboutking
01-15-2005, 02:13 AM
Btw I just saw the fight btw Cotto and Abdulaev(?) in Sydney and Cotto got rob big time…

Yeah, so many of Cotto's punches landed but were never counted in that match. That was highway robbery at it's best!

`STEELHEAD
01-15-2005, 04:22 AM
im glad cotto is fighting corley. its a step up. if a serious corley shows up cotto is going to have his hands full.i'll consider cotto proven if he wins big against corley.
vivian has a 9 inch reach advantage over cotto. i'll have to look up previous fight stats on these guys to even guess. vivians faught a lot of guys i dont recognize like in europe and africa.