... will it make you respect Danny Williams more?


Remember - despite the different levels they've mixed at, there is only ONE common foe to date: Kali Meehan.

Danny - TKO1
Rahman - TKO4

... will it make you respect Danny Williams more?


Remember - despite the different levels they've mixed at, there is only ONE common foe to date: Kali Meehan.

Danny - TKO1
Rahman - TKO4


What is with you and Danny Williams? Jesus.

What is with you and Danny Williams? Jesus.I've bummed him.


Seriously though, what is it with you and entering threads you don't care about?

Wait - this one didn't have him in the title, fair enough. Look at the poll option though. You're number four.

Unless Williams fight a legimate contender and win, not a big name, my view on him would stay the same. And KOing a guy in less round than the others doesn't necessarily means a lot.

Why would it earn Williams more respect? By the same token any boxer that Klichko knocked out should have more respect just because Klichko pounded someone else after him. IMO respect is earned by performances, not by the fact that someone else sucks more or less than they do.

I've bummed him.


Seriously though, what is it with you and entering threads you don't care about?

Wait - this one didn't have him in the title, fair enough. Look at the poll option though. You're number four.

i check out all threads. I didnt say i didnt care. I asked you whats the deal with your adoration? I dont get it. He is an average heavyweight who cant beat the top 10 HW's today. And they are a sorry top 10. No disrespect to Williams, but he is nothing special.

I think I just feel sorry for the guy - you must admit he gets a lot of dissing on here. It's more of a reaction to that.

It's also that I feel people don't know him, such as the "top ten" statement. Believe it or not after his dire showing against Vitali (did he realise he was allowed to hit back??) I believe he DOES deserve a place in the top ten. Clearly, he'll never be number one or even top three, but he could compete, I seriously believe that. His record hasn't got that many names on it, but he's underachieved.

I think I just feel sorry for the guy - you must admit he gets a lot of dissing on here. It's more of a reaction to that.

It's also that I feel people don't know him, such as the "top ten" statement. Believe it or not after his dire showing against Vitali (did he realise he was allowed to hit back??) I believe he DOES deserve a place in the top ten. Clearly, he'll never be number one or even top three, but he could compete, I seriously believe that. His record hasn't got that many names on it, but he's underachieved.


What has he done to deserve to be in the top ten? He beat Tyson, and Tyson prolly was not even in the top 20. A lot of people hate on him, but look at how many people put him on a pedastil just because he beat an injured/washed up Mike Tyson.

Oh no, sorry, let me clarify - he DESERVES to be in the top ten by talent - talent that he hasn't shown in EITHER of his US fights - which I believe from years of watching him (which most haven't, I feel) and from, as you say, the poor state of the competition.

But he hasn't EARNT the right to be there. His defeat of Tyson should have let him have a crack at a top 20-top 15 guy, and so on. NO WAY should he have had the title shot as his next bout - for his sake as well as the sake of the credibility of the way boxing is run.

To hell with Danny!
Most of these posters don't respect Vitali!
I sound beating of Rahman probably won't help much. Too many people are like me and don't think that highly of Rahman.

Oh yeah, I agree - I think Danny has more technical skill than Rahman. But all the Rahman "nut huggers" will have something to think about if he gets trounced even easier and more one-sided than Danny. (If such a thing is, sadly, possible...)

Then I will finally respect him as the Heavy Weight Champ of the world....
Why don't we ever here much talk about the Heavyweights unifying the belts?

If Rahman gets absolutely pounded by Klitschko in a one-sided match... then it'll make no difference to how anyone should view Williams! All you have to do is consider his career as a whole and it's clear that he is a domestic/European level fighter, who can probably hang with a few top 20 guys. That's it.

If Rahman gets absolutely pounded the public must DEMAND unification

Free Ibeabuchi!!

We won't be seeing Ibeabuchi in two years. He would probably be faded by then. As much as I admired him as a boxer, I'll be lying if I say he doesn't deserve what he's getting. But I hope his head would be stable when he's out.

There's no way in hell Ibeabuchi could be competitive ever again. He's had far too many years off from training & fighting. Someone posted a picture of what he looks like about a year ago and he looks huge (prob way over 300lbs).

danny williams isnt on the same level as hasim rahman. rahman was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world with a knockout win against lennox lewis, even if it was a lucky shot rahman is still better than danny

Danny will bounce back. He knows what its like to fight on the world stage now, and he can put his his psychological problems aside.

I respect Danny for his heart and his desire.
I disrespect Danny for his attitude talking down against VK, such as saying he wasn't good and trying to hurt his feelings bringing up the stereroids incident. He had no right playing mind games with his psychological situation at times...


Rahman beat LL because LL made the most novice mistake.. he under-estimated his opponent. Rahman trained for a month at the town where the fight took place in South Africa (well above sea-level) at the time the fight took place (like early am EST). LL only trained for a week, he was too busy acting in Ocean's 11.
LL proved this when he whooped Rahman in the rematch (prepared and not under-estimating)

danny williams isnt on the same level as hasim rahman. rahman was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world with a knockout win against lennox lewis, even if it was a lucky shot rahman is still better than dannyI don't understand the relevancy of bringing up such an inconsequential bout in terms of Rahman's abilities or lack thereof in comparing him to Danny (how many of Danny's fights have you seen?)

Are you seriously telling me that Danny wouldn't have had a hope in hell of pulling the same trick if he was facing a fat, disinterested Lewis who wasn't paying attention and wasn't taking him seriously?

I don't understand the relevancy of bringing up such an inconsequential bout in terms of Rahman's abilities or lack thereof in comparing him to Danny (how many of Danny's fights have you seen?)

Are you seriously telling me that Danny wouldn't have had a hope in hell of pulling the same trick if he was facing a fat, disinterested Lewis who wasn't paying attention and wasn't taking him seriously?

Good question.

But he did get beat by a fat samil sam if thats an indication.

Rahman is a bum and so is Danny Williams. Rahman lost to Ruiz. Williams beat a washed up Toney. Both are bums and I expect VK to wipe the floor w/ Rahman. I will respect Vitaly when he beats and avenges his loss to Byrd.

Oh yeah, I agree - I think Danny has more technical skill than Rahman. But all the Rahman "nut huggers" will have something to think about if he gets trounced even easier and more one-sided than Danny. (If such a thing is, sadly, possible...)

And IF a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's ass so much!

Then I will finally respect him as the Heavy Weight Champ of the world....
Why don't we ever here much talk about the Heavyweights unifying the belts?

Because Don King controlls three of the four belts, and it ain't in DK's best interest yet. Hey Don, wanna sue me?

Danny will bounce back. He knows what its like to fight on the world stage now, and he can put his his psychological problems aside.

You some kinda psychiatrist? You don't just "put psychological problems aside". Wadda think there just all in his head?

Rahman is a bum and so is Danny Williams. Rahman lost to Ruiz. Williams beat a washed up Toney. Both are bums and I expect VK to wipe the floor w/ Rahman. I will respect Vitaly when he beats and avenges his loss to Byrd.

Rahman is a bum? Someone should be considered a "bum" when they are outside of, and with no prospect of getting into, say, the top 25. He was the undisputed heavyewight champion of the world! And after his next fight he'll of fought for a heavyweight title 3 times.

Seriously though, what is it with you and entering threads you don't care about?

Anor .... you posted a poll. The poll allows those who dislike Danny a ****-load to say so with a "no". Sometimes you should expect guys who take the poll to say a thing or two, that's all.

Danny has a ****-load more chin than Rahman. That didn't make Danny a better challenger for Klit than Rahman, it just meant Danny could take a long time to go down and stay down. Danny's a ****ing punching bag becuase of chin, not skill. Rahman has a better chance to actually be competitive and make Klit work harder for the win, but, his chin can't stand the bangin' that Danny's did, so it might be an early night if Rock can't keep it tucked in!

dude when vitali beat the sh*t out of sanders (who would have given lenox a hard ass time if not beat him with lenox's weak ass chin) i knew no other HW really had a chance.
so no..william rahman and any others are just boxers in the way the VK will ko the earn his respect which is what i liek about him. He always saids he doesnt expect ppl to like him but will continue to fight a ko opponents to earn his respect

Danny Williams sucks, got lucky in beating Tyson

The respect Danny Williams receives from boxing fans can only be generated by Danny Williams. Nothing Vitali does will effect that. Danny needs to do it himself.

Unfortunately for Danny, I think he's reached the summit of his career. He's achieved more than most just by getting a title shot. He's had his 15 minutes and now will probably fade back into oblivion.

Good question.

But he did get beat by a fat samil sam if thats an indication.
Danny was unfocussed and had glanduar fever that night. To bring up Sam is a predictable reaction.

Danny was unfocussed and had glanduar fever that night.

No he didn't, he had shingles. But anyway, it's easy to make excuses (I've no idea if they're valid or not) for one fight, but viewing Danny's career as a whole, what has he really achieved? Aside from Tyson who has he beaten? Who has he looked impressive against?
IMO He's done nothing to prove he could trouble even a fat, uninterested Lewis. It was one shot that Rahman finished Lewis with, but don't forget Rahman was doing pretty well up till that point; the fight was fairly even.

Danny was unfocussed and had glanduar fever that night. To bring up Sam is a predictable reaction.

Its predictable to bring upp a good point, getting koed by Sam says it all, DW had his shot he dident make it, he dident even deserve it.

He aint even in the same leauge as VK.

I give DW props in that he was one of the very few men ever to beat Tyson.
Now it may have been due to an injury Tyson suffered, or it may have been against a washed up Tyson, it may have been a number of reasons, but the fact of the matter is that DW cashed in on an acheivement that very few boxers ever have at the right time. He wasn't the one that controlled it even, it was most likely circumstances, but still... he did it.

neither rahman or williams are great really are they, im mean one hit wonders comes to mind.

They do have similarities in that respect, but Rahman is more proven on the world stage (Danny came from nowhere) and should at least be able to make a decent fight of it

Its predictable to bring upp a good point, getting koed by Sam says it all, DW had his shot he dident make it, he dident even deserve it.

He aint even in the same leauge as VK.I never said he was: hence the whole point of the thread. If Vitali creams the rest of the division, wouldn't that then possibly suggest that Danny has a possibility of mixing in that company... except for Vitali?

As for Sam, Danny got RSF, not KOed. He wobbled from Sam's shots, though as he took far more from Tyson and Vitali this would suggest something about him that night.

And Siberian - you're right, I made a mistake, it was shingles. But the Rahman point is still irrelevant - yes, it was fairly even against Lewis, but as we've already established Lewis couldn't give a toss that night (wasn't he smiling in Rahman's face just before the KO?) it doesn't mean anything in and of itself.

I would not give Danny more respect but rather decrease my disrespect towards him. I dont think that Rahman is that muc better that Williams simply because Rahman also had very embarssing performances(like flying out of the ring from Maskaev's right hand or losing to Oldyfield). Really, you can compare win over Lewis to win over Tyson. Lewis was out of shape and unfocused, Tyson was washed up but trained hard prior to his fight and looked good in the beginning. As of saying that Danny can fight at elite level... I dont know if he will be able to overcome the psychological aspect of his defeat.

He wobbled from Sam's shots

He did more than wobble, he got smashed around the ring and dropped 3 times.

Anorak, what have you seen (and when) in Danny that makes you think he can hang at world level?

VK got hit by punches from sanders what would have ko'ed lewis (we all know he didnt have a good chin-and sanders is one of the biggest HW punches along with VK,tua and tyson)...so i dont see how rahman or anyone else is gonnahve a chance...and we have seen him go the distance with byrd and was winning on the scorecard so he can win anyway.

-i would rather see sanders/rahman

VK got hit by punches from sanders what would have ko'ed lewis (we all know he didnt have a good chin-and sanders is one of the biggest HW punches along with VK,tua and tyson)...so i dont see how rahman or anyone else is gonnahve a chance...and we have seen him go the distance with byrd and was winning on the scorecard so he can win anyway.

-i would rather see sanders/rahman


id like to see an in shape sanders come back and kayo vitali, he is a robotic homosexual ******

id like to see an in shape sanders come back and kayo vitali, he is a robotic homosexual ******
I guess that means you like robotic homosexual ****** boxers and "kayo" is some kind of condiment you guys use?

kayo........ What is that Ketchup and Mayo?

free forum..
haters are allowed their rubbish, but that is uncalled for tho bro.
:confused:

I am not a fan of Sanders but I am a fan of his powerful short left. If this dumb bastard just commits himself to getting in shape and training properly, he can be devastating because at his age even though he has fought quite a bit, he has yet to be in any major ring wars except for his fight with Vitali. At his age he can still be effective for at least two to three years by staying in shape.

I never said he was: hence the whole point of the thread. If Vitali creams the rest of the division, wouldn't that then possibly suggest that Danny has a possibility of mixing in that company... except for Vitali?

As for Sam, Danny got RSF, not KOed. He wobbled from Sam's shots, though as he took far more from Tyson and Vitali this would suggest something about him that night.

And Siberian - you're right, I made a mistake, it was shingles. But the Rahman point is still irrelevant - yes, it was fairly even against Lewis, but as we've already established Lewis couldn't give a toss that night (wasn't he smiling in Rahman's face just before the KO?) it doesn't mean anything in and of itself.

If VK whipes the floor with the rest of the top, then yes it puts danny in better light.

I do belive he can compete with some of the top 12.

I guess that means you like robotic homosexual ****** boxers and "kayo" is some kind of condiment you guys use?

kayo........ What is that Ketchup and Mayo?


obviously you dont know boxing history, "kayo" was the term to describe a knockout in early boxing articles, and if you have ever seen video of rocky marciano that is how he pronounced it, now its shortened to ko, look it up genius, and i also said i hope he gets knocked out, so obviously i dont like him retard, learn how to read

come on folks!!! with the hostililty and such!
:confused:
obviously, he didn't like you talking about his favorite, so he lashed back out with what he could find agaisnt you.. if you can talk trash, so could he, but what's the purpose?
we all know you don't like the Klitschkos Dansweeney and that's OK, maybe this one didn't quite know you were a hater, so they didn't know what to expect.

obviously you dont know boxing history, "kayo" was the term to describe a knockout in early boxing articles, and if you have ever seen video of rocky marciano that is how he pronounced it, now its shortened to ko, look it up genius, and i also said i hope he gets knocked out, so obviously i dont like him retard, learn how to read

LOL...... If you read your original post again.

id like to see an in shape sanders come back and kayo vitali, he is a robotic homosexual ******

This can be interpreted in many ways..... Do you like robotic homosexual ******s? Do you like to look at in shape men? Given the possibility that you really do like "in shape robotic homosexual ******s" it's easy to misinterpret what you meant by "kayo".

Having said that, I understood the term "kayo" and what you meant in your original post, despite your poor choice of words and dismal sentence structure.

Next time I respond to one of your classy comments, I'll tone it down to a level you can understand more easily. Have a nice day. :)

vitali, he is a robotic homosexual ******

If you put this kind of **** out there, then be prepared to discuss it in the forum.

Consider this an open invitation to backup your talk. If you choose not to respond, or choose to continue throw more mindless **** around, then you'll continue to look like a small-minded boy who doesn't understand the term "redundant".

Bring it all out for us to see. Then we can choose whether or not to "Ignore" you and move on to some actual boxing content.