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The1God
01-12-2005, 01:55 PM
Right to Privacy in Restroom Not Absolute

1 hour, 35 minutes ago U.S. National - AP


By JIM SUHR, Associated Press Writer

ST. LOUIS - A man found partly disrobed with a woman, cocaine and marijuana in the one-person restroom of an Iowa convenience store in an area known for prostitution had no absolute right to privacy, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday.



An 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) panel unanimously rejected Lonnie Maurice Hill's claim that police who found him with the woman and drugs breached his Fourth Amendment right to privacy, making the drugs illegally seized and unusable as evidence.


Other courts have held that the right of privacy in bathrooms varies case to case, with some judges holding that a stall in a public restroom is not a private place when used for something other than its intended purpose.


"The Fourth Amendment protects people and not places," Judge Donald Lay wrote for the three-judge 8th Circuit panel. In Hill's case, "it was not a single person using the single toilet restroom but two persons of opposite gender and, under the circumstances, we hold that they had a diminished expectation of privacy which had expired by the time the officers arrived."


When it comes to restroom privacy, "we have never held that this expectation lasts indefinitely," Lay wrote.


The 8th Circuit also cited legal precedent finding that an expectation of privacy in businesses "is different from, and indeed less than, a similar expectation in an individual's home."


Such cases, Lay wrote, "recognize that regardless of one's subjective expectation of privacy in a public restroom," society's recognition of that expectation is limited by the bathroom's design, location and "the probability that one will be asked to surrender use of the restroom to others."


Clemens Erdahl, an Iowa attorney for Hill, said it remained unclear whether his client would further appeal the matter, including asking the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) to consider the case.


But Erdahl suggested the case left some things unanswered, including hypothetically whether a married couple would be allowed to occupy a single-person bathroom simultaneously.


At the convenience store in question, he said, the sign said "Restrooms," with a symbol for each gender.


"That sign was a little misleading and certainly ambiguous," Erdahl said.


Hill was arrested in 2003 after a convenience store clerk in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, called police to report suspicious activity — a man and woman entering the site's small, one-person restroom for use by either gender.


Police who responded within minutes knocked anonymously on the bathroom door but got no answer. When an officer rapped on the door with his flashlight, "he heard a jingle like a belt buckle but otherwise no response," Lay wrote.


When an officer unlocked the door, someone in the restroom relocked it. After the officer unlocked the door again, a woman squeezed out moments before Hill followed, his pants undone and loosely held by a belt. Hill saw the officer and re-entered the bathroom before being arrested.


Inside, police found a small bag of marijuana and two clear baggies of cocaine atop a metal wastebasket near the toilet, along with a metal scale.


Hill was indicted on drug-related charges. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced in April to four months behind bars.


In Tuesday's ruling, Lay wrote that "Hill and his female companion occupied the restroom in a manner for which it was not designed, and remained there after being asked to leave."





"Under these circumstances, we hold that whatever reasonable expectation of privacy Hill and his companion had expired by the time the officers arrived," Lay wrote.

Still, the judge noted, each case should be weighed individually, and that "clearly, our conclusion regarding Hill and his companion may stand on different footing than say a child and a parent or where one person because of a disability or some other medical reason may need assistance."

Mr. Ryan
01-12-2005, 02:15 PM
Never do drugs in a public forum. Thats just fundamentals right there. First off, the smell of weed stays on you, and second there are smoke detectors. Do it at home, then go out and about. I like to smoke weed, then do my laundry and shop. I find it enhances the experience.

neils7147933
01-12-2005, 06:06 PM
This is an almost irrelevant sidenote in the grand loss of rights that have slowly occurred over the past half century.

If you think you still have "freedom" and "rights" in the capacity that you were taught in school, you haven't paid much attention to world events, changes in laws, etc.

Business has picked up considerably since 9/11...I'll leave it at that before pbds or big_pappy comes on and gets too riled up.

Here's a handful of other links of similar stories from THIS WEEK where it is very apparent there is no "right to privacy":

Police Don't Need Warrant for GPS

Times Union | January 11, 2005
By BRENDAN LYONS

In a decision that could dramatically affect criminal investigations nationwide, a federal judge has ruled police didn't need a warrant when they attached a satellite tracking device to the underbelly of a car being driven by a suspected Hells Angels operative.
...LINK: http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=322152&category=REGIONOTHER&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=1/11/2005

Police Begin Fingerprinting on Traffic Stops
WBAY TV | January 8, 2005

If you're ticketed by Green Bay police, you'll get more than a fine. You'll get fingerprinted, too. It's a new way police are cracking down on crime.

If you're caught speeding or playing your music too loud, or other crimes for which you might receive a citation, Green Bay police officers will ask for your drivers license and your finger. You'll be fingerprinted right there on the spot. The fingerprint appears right next to the amount of the fine.
...LINK: http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?s=2776926



DNA testing troubles some in Truro
Police to continue requesting swabs
By Mac Daniel, Globe Staff | January 11, 2005

Despite criticism from civil libertarians, investigators plan to continue collecting DNA samples from Truro residents for clues to the three-year-old slaying of fashion writer Christa Worthington, Cape and Islands investigators said yesterday.
...LINK - http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/01/11/dna_testing_troubles_some_in_truro/

Pssst! They're listening when you're on hold

THE NEW YORK TIMES |January 11, 2005
By KEN BELSON

MELVILLE, N.Y. -- It is the opening line on so many phone conversations these days: This call may be monitored for quality assurance purposes.

The taped message is so common that many callers might assume that no one is ever listening, let alone taking notes. But they would be wrong.

Monitoring is intended to track the performance of call center operators, but the professional snoops are inadvertently monitoring callers, too. Most callers do not realize that they may be taped even while they are on hold.
...LINK: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/207379_phone11.html

Man Charged Under Patriot Act -
Feds Admit Not A Terrorist!
Wayne Perry
Associated Press
1-5-5

"Only terrorists need to fear the USA Patriot Act..."
- John Ashcroft, US Attorney General, Sept 19, 2003


NEWARK, N.J. -- A man charged with temporarily blinding the pilot and co-pilot of an airplane with a laser beam claims he was simply using the device to look at stars with his 7-year-old daughter.

Federal authorities on Tuesday used the Patriot Act to charge David Banach, 38, with interfering with the operator of a mass transportation vehicle and making false statements to the FBI. He is the first person arrested after a recent rash of reports around the nation of lasers being beamed at airplanes.

If convicted, Banach could be sentenced to 25 years in prison and fined $500,000.

...LINK: http://www.rense.com/general61/feds.htm

phallus
01-12-2005, 11:53 PM
**** man, these days people think they're free because they can choose what products they can buy