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tonytucker
01-10-2006, 09:05 PM
The Xbox 360 is comming out in less than 2 months over here, but I am not to sure about it. I have seen the specs, but am afraid that I do not quite understand these things to well. So I can better understand what this game machine is capable of, I am wanting a comparison between the Xbox 360 and my current gaming rig that I have now. How does the Xbox360 compare to my Atari 520STE?
Later brother brologs.
P.S Bare in mind however that my STE has been upgraded to 1 MB Ram.

Soliloquy
01-10-2006, 09:09 PM
my sister's boyfriend wa going to pre order it but then he found out that it is a lot worse then the PS3 that is coming out soon, Xbox supposedly has a million of glitches and they only put it out to compete with playstation.

EXIGE
01-10-2006, 09:22 PM
What? Its already out over here.....

???
01-10-2006, 09:58 PM
Yeah, wait for the PS3 to come out.

tonytucker
01-11-2006, 12:07 AM
What? Its already out over here.....It will be available to buy in NZ in 6 or 7 weeks time. The full version with the hardrive will be $700 dollars NZ. Now if I remember correctly, when the Playstation2 first came out it was 1200$ NZ.
Later brother brologs.

theironone
01-11-2006, 08:41 AM
it seems pretty good im gonna get one when the uk restocks in a few weeks then when the ps3 comes out if its the dogs then ill get that too, simple really

tonytucker
01-11-2006, 02:56 PM
my sister's boyfriend wa going to pre order it but then he found out that it is a lot worse then the PS3 that is coming out soon, Xbox supposedly has a million of glitches and they only put it out to compete with playstation.Who is the one that is saying it has a million glitches? Could it be possible that it is the Sony people that are saying this? :confused: Maybe this stuff about all these glitches is just a crap story made up to discredit the Xbox 360. It would be standard buisness policy for Sony to try to discredit the Xbox 360, and try to get people to wait for there machine to come out.
Later brother brologs.

LS-Injection
01-11-2006, 05:52 PM
I heard XBOX 360 has wicked graphics, but some of my mates have had theirs crashing and i read on the news that a lot of peoples where crashing! So i'm not really to sure, but like ??? said wait untill the PS3, not that i belive is going to be something special!

Undefeated
01-11-2006, 06:08 PM
PS3 is going to **** on XBOX 360...i would only get XBOX 360 for perfect dark zero...thats about it....but PS3 is going to be better

tonytucker
01-12-2006, 12:03 AM
I heard XBOX 360 has wicked graphics, but some of my mates have had theirs crashing and i read on the news that a lot of peoples where crashing! So i'm not really to sure, but like ??? said wait untill the PS3, not that i belive is going to be something special!If you are correct on this, then I would say that Sony will win the war.Poor,poor, Bill Gates, I feel so sorry for him! :gives: :D
Later brother brologs.

ClydeErwinBarretto
01-12-2006, 12:16 AM
Yes, the XBOX360 has glitches and it also crashed on my friend. He actually had to send it back to the manufacturer...but what's funny is that he said that it already came with a box prepared just incase he had to return it. Like MICROSOFT was expecting these possible glitches and returns for repairs.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
01-12-2006, 01:58 AM
that is normal from any new product.

The problem was traced to a faulty powersupply from one of the MS suppliers.

When Sony came out with the Slim PS2 it also had its share of problems even thought it was just a small ps2.

tonytucker
01-12-2006, 02:02 AM
Am I correct to believe that it is an Intel processor that powers the Xbox 360? One would have thought that an AMD Athlon CPU would be the obvious choice. :confused: I have read reports that the Athlon CPUs are clearly ahead of the Pentiums at this time as far as games performance goes.
Later brother brologs.

masterdirector
01-12-2006, 02:10 AM
The slim ps2 problem was nowhere near the size of the Xbox 360 though. The Xbox 360 has been overheating like crazy, which they've already fixed for any models you'd see in the stores now or beyond now. And even then, it wasn't all Xbox360s I don't believe.

Playstation 3 will be MUCH ****ING BETTER than Xbox360. Take it from someone who follows this **** closely. Okay there are 2 other topics on this forum, probably on the first page with PS3 and Xbox360 specs, go read them, or take the short version:

PS3= Blu-ray discs (new format that has 50 gig discs)
Xbox360 = normal DVD discs (8.5 gig max)
50 gig is a lot more than 8.5 gigs.

In a year or two when the PS3 is making f'n awesome 50 gig games and the xbox360 is still making 8.5 gig games, all those Xbox360 fools are gonna be crying. Game developers are going to be sick of carrying the Xbox360 bull**** too. Watch, you'll see I'm right. PS3, in the end, will crush Xbox360.

"The next generation doesn't start until we say it does." - CEO of Sony

Damn right.

tonytucker
01-12-2006, 02:24 AM
The slim ps2 problem was nowhere near the size of the Xbox 360 though. The Xbox 360 has been overheating like crazy, which they've already fixed for any models you'd see in the stores now or beyond now. And even then, it wasn't all Xbox360s I don't believe.

Playstation 3 will be MUCH ****ING BETTER than Xbox360. Take it from someone who follows this **** closely. Okay there are 2 other topics on this forum, probably on the first page with PS3 and Xbox360 specs, go read them, or take the short version:

PS3= Blu-ray discs (new format that has 50 gig discs)
Xbox360 = normal DVD discs (8.5 gig max)
50 gig is a lot more than 8.5 gigs.

In a year or two when the PS3 is making f'n awesome 50 gig games and the xbox360 is still making 8.5 gig games, all those Xbox360 fools are gonna be crying. Game developers are going to be sick of carrying the Xbox360 bull**** too. Watch, you'll see I'm right. PS3, in the end, will crush Xbox360.

"The next generation doesn't start until we say it does." - CEO of Sony

Damn right.The most ironic bit of it all is that according to developers, if either manufacturer had decided to use an Athlon64 or a Pentium D in there next-gen console, then they would be significantly ahead of the competition in terms of CPU performance! Logic has spoken.
Later brother brologs.

masterdirector
01-12-2006, 06:24 AM
The most ironic bit of it all is that according to developers, if either manufacturer had decided to use an Athlon64 or a Pentium D in there next-gen console, then they would be significantly ahead of the competition in terms of CPU performance! Logic has spoken.
Later brother brologs.
the Cell looks more powerful than the Athlon or Pentium D to me. more useful for a gaming machine definitely.

although I admit it would be nice to be able to easily upgrade your gaming console, like a notebook computer. If you want more performance, buy more ram, get a better graphics card, etc. That'd be cool as hell, as long as they didn't start coming out with new crap for it every f'n week like they do with PCs.

tonytucker
01-12-2006, 03:17 PM
the Cell looks more powerful than the Athlon or Pentium D to me. more useful for a gaming machine definitely.

although I admit it would be nice to be able to easily upgrade your gaming console, like a notebook computer. If you want more performance, buy more ram, get a better graphics card, etc. That'd be cool as hell, as long as they didn't start coming out with new crap for it every f'n week like they do with PCs.I have not said that going with Xenon and Cell instead of something like the Athlon64 and/or Pentium D was the right call to make, from either a technical standpoint or a market standpoint. I don't have enough information to make that judgement, and neither does anyone else in January of 2006. After around two years of effort and millions upon millions of dollars spent, if developers are still unable to make the hardware do what it's supposed to do, then I think it will be safe to say that IBM, Sony, and Microsoft all goofed in not playing it safer with the CPU architecture.
Later brother brologs.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
01-12-2006, 06:44 PM
Am I correct to believe that it is an Intel processor that powers the Xbox 360? One would have thought that an AMD Athlon CPU would be the obvious choice. :confused: I have read reports that the Athlon CPUs are clearly ahead of the Pentiums at this time as far as games performance goes.
Later brother brologs.

Nope the Xbox360 is powered by 3 IBM PowerPC(Like the G5 mac) Cores running at 3.2ghz.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
01-12-2006, 06:48 PM
The slim ps2 problem was nowhere near the size of the Xbox 360 though. The Xbox 360 has been overheating like crazy, which they've already fixed for any models you'd see in the stores now or beyond now. And even then, it wasn't all Xbox360s I don't believe.

Playstation 3 will be MUCH ****ING BETTER than Xbox360. Take it from someone who follows this **** closely. Okay there are 2 other topics on this forum, probably on the first page with PS3 and Xbox360 specs, go read them, or take the short version:

PS3= Blu-ray discs (new format that has 50 gig discs)
Xbox360 = normal DVD discs (8.5 gig max)
50 gig is a lot more than 8.5 gigs.

In a year or two when the PS3 is making f'n awesome 50 gig games and the xbox360 is still making 8.5 gig games, all those Xbox360 fools are gonna be crying. Game developers are going to be sick of carrying the Xbox360 bull**** too. Watch, you'll see I'm right. PS3, in the end, will crush Xbox360.

"The next generation doesn't start until we say it does." - CEO of Sony

Damn right.


No game on the market or in development (for any platform) even uses half the 8.5gigs. Dont count on what the Media is to be of any advantage. Blue Ray is still battling out HD-DVD. If HD-DVD becomes the standard for new movies then the PS3 running Blue ray discs wont mean a damn thing.

Take it easy man u would think u own Sony stock lol.

tonytucker
01-12-2006, 07:47 PM
Nope the Xbox360 is powered by 3 IBM PowerPC(Like the G5 mac) Cores running at 3.2ghz.The designs are so exotic and cache-crippled that it's essentially impossible to wring the performance out of them that IBM is claiming.
Later brother brologs.

masterdirector
01-13-2006, 07:39 AM
No game on the market or in development (for any platform) even uses half the 8.5gigs. Dont count on what the Media is to be of any advantage. Blue Ray is still battling out HD-DVD. If HD-DVD becomes the standard for new movies then the PS3 running Blue ray discs wont mean a damn thing.

Take it easy man u would think u own Sony stock lol.
Some games do use at least half of that 8.5 gigs. Otherwise any game would fit on a DVD5 disc, and some games don't without compression. So, you're wrong.

And of course games aren't going to use more than 8.5 gigs now. They can't. Duh. The PS3 will make them able to. Of course not at first. probably not even the first year that the PS3 is on the market. It'll take game developers some time to learn the PS3, then developing a game will take time. The PS3 will be a Blu-Ray Disc player right out of the box. PS3 will be the biggest selling console, by far, again. This is a significant win for the Blu-Ray format. Remember the PS2 greatly helped the DVD format take off. I know my first DVD player was the PS2. So were a lot of peoples' first DVD players. A lot of peoples' first Blue Ray player will be the PS3.

And let's even forget what wins, Blu-Ray or HD DVD. The fact remains that PS3 will have Blu-Ray game discs and Xbox 360 will NOT have HD DVD game discs. When this happens, the PS3 games will be a ton better than the Xbox 360 games. PS3 really will be the next gen machine. Xbox 360 will not be at all.

tonytucker
01-13-2006, 10:48 AM
Some games do use at least half of that 8.5 gigs. Otherwise any game would fit on a DVD5 disc, and some games don't without compression. So, you're wrong.

And of course games aren't going to use more than 8.5 gigs now. They can't. Duh. The PS3 will make them able to. Of course not at first. probably not even the first year that the PS3 is on the market. It'll take game developers some time to learn the PS3, then developing a game will take time. The PS3 will be a Blu-Ray Disc player right out of the box. PS3 will be the biggest selling console, by far, again. This is a significant win for the Blu-Ray format. Remember the PS2 greatly helped the DVD format take off. I know my first DVD player was the PS2. So were a lot of peoples' first DVD players. A lot of peoples' first Blue Ray player will be the PS3.

And let's even forget what wins, Blu-Ray or HD DVD. The fact remains that PS3 will have Blu-Ray game discs and Xbox 360 will NOT have HD DVD game discs. When this happens, the PS3 games will be a ton better than the Xbox 360 games. PS3 really will be the next gen machine. Xbox 360 will not be at all.I have read reports saying that it will be 3 to 5 years before the game developers will be able to use all this CPU technology properly. These CPUs are going to be very hard for the game designers to work with. In the short term, a more simple processor would have been better I have heard.
Later brother brologs.

tonytucker
01-13-2006, 10:51 AM
Nope the Xbox360 is powered by 3 IBM PowerPC(Like the G5 mac) Cores running at 3.2ghz.Yes ofcourse you are right! It was the first Xbox that had the Pentium3 733MHZ, I was confused.
Later brother brologs.

masterdirector
01-13-2006, 11:53 AM
It won't take any 3-5 years. Game developers have already been getting PS3 kits. Why would it take 3-5 years before they start developing games? That's not true. Come on, 1-2 years they'll be making higher end games. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Say it takes 10 years though, the fact remains that the PS3 will be better anyhow, regardless of Blu-Ray tech, and they will eventually be able to have that much space for games, so games will eventually be made close to that size. Xbox360 games will never be made to that size. This is confirmed from Xbox itself.

tonytucker
01-13-2006, 03:14 PM
It won't take any 3-5 years. Game developers have already been getting PS3 kits. Why would it take 3-5 years before they start developing games? That's not true. Come on, 1-2 years they'll be making higher end games. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Say it takes 10 years though, the fact remains that the PS3 will be better anyhow, regardless of Blu-Ray tech, and they will eventually be able to have that much space for games, so games will eventually be made close to that size. Xbox360 games will never be made to that size. This is confirmed from Xbox itself.Yes you are making very good sense and stable logic.There are many game developers however that are claiming that of the 2 consoles, the Xbox360 will be the more developer friendly.
Later brother brologs.

masterdirector
01-13-2006, 06:36 PM
Yes you are making very good sense and stable logic.There are many game developers however that are claiming that of the 2 consoles, the Xbox360 will be the more developer friendly.
Later brother brologs.
of course it is, it's an inferior machine. developer friendliness has little to do with it though I think. They'll go where the big money is, and that'll be Sony. It'd be nice if GTA 4 is in Blu-Ray format, but I kinda doubt it.

tonytucker
01-13-2006, 07:51 PM
One must remember that there is a reason why virtually all PC games are not using the Multithreading even though the PCs have had multicore arangements for many years. It's because, on a fundamental level, programming multithreaded applications which do the kinds of things games do is a HUGE ****ING PAIN IN THE ASS.
Later brother brologs.

masterdirector
01-14-2006, 01:36 PM
yeah but the PC gaming market isn't as strong as the console gaming market, clearly. If the demand was there, they'd do it. And with PCs, you can always still upgrade graphics cards and stuff. Consoles, what you get is what you get (unless you count the Sega 32x).

I'm not arguing that it isn't harder programming. Absolutely, it has to be. And the developers have to catch up to the technology. But they're more conditioned to catching up to the technology now. Games are big business right now, so these companies can hire more programmers, meaning more teams, to work on the same amount of games. That'll almost definitely mean a rise in the cost of purchasing the games, but it'll eventually level out on that end when demand catches up.

tonytucker
01-14-2006, 03:19 PM
Sony and MS were too busy trumpeting how great it was they have OMG OMG MULTIPLE COREZZZ on their console designs to realize that developers, who make the actual games, like it when consoles are easy to program for so they can make games.
Later brother brologs.

tonytucker
01-14-2006, 03:41 PM
yeah but the PC gaming market isn't as strong as the console gaming market, clearly. If the demand was there, they'd do it. And with PCs, you can always still upgrade graphics cards and stuff. Consoles, what you get is what you get (unless you count the Sega 32x).

I'm not arguing that it isn't harder programming. Absolutely, it has to be. And the developers have to catch up to the technology. But they're more conditioned to catching up to the technology now. Games are big business right now, so these companies can hire more programmers, meaning more teams, to work on the same amount of games. That'll almost definitely mean a rise in the cost of purchasing the games, but it'll eventually level out on that end when demand catches up.Please don't tell me I have to pay more money for these games..they are already expensive enough! :( You are right though, the software developers need to catch up with the hardware now. Software developers are not as good as they used to be. They could do far better things with what they had to work with in the old days. Look back at what a good programmer could do on something like the ZX81 and compare it to what they can do on an Athlon64. One can clearly see that the true art of programming has fallen by the wayside, and been replaced by a bunch of half-assed code monkeys!
Later brother brologs.
P.S I read where they said that the Xbox 360s CPU will only give about twice the performance of the first Xboxes 733MHZ Intel CPU! :eek:

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
01-14-2006, 06:49 PM
Some games do use at least half of that 8.5 gigs. Otherwise any game would fit on a DVD5 disc, and some games don't without compression. So, you're wrong.

And of course games aren't going to use more than 8.5 gigs now. They can't. Duh. The PS3 will make them able to. Of course not at first. probably not even the first year that the PS3 is on the market. It'll take game developers some time to learn the PS3, then developing a game will take time. The PS3 will be a Blu-Ray Disc player right out of the box. PS3 will be the biggest selling console, by far, again. This is a significant win for the Blu-Ray format. Remember the PS2 greatly helped the DVD format take off. I know my first DVD player was the PS2. So were a lot of peoples' first DVD players. A lot of peoples' first Blue Ray player will be the PS3.

And let's even forget what wins, Blu-Ray or HD DVD. The fact remains that PS3 will have Blu-Ray game discs and Xbox 360 will NOT have HD DVD game discs. When this happens, the PS3 games will be a ton better than the Xbox 360 games. PS3 really will be the next gen machine. Xbox 360 will not be at all.

Do you honestly think PS3s games will be better because of all the space that is available in a blue ray disk?

GPUs today are already topping out with todays games and thats with the kind of optimizations, coding, and patching advantages of a PC. The PS3's GPU is not much more than a top of the line NVIDIA PC based GPU.

The PS3's rendering limits will easily be hit before they use up a whole DVD9 cd's capacity.

Just because the media has huge capacity doesnt mean a better game the PS3 as big a power house as it is still has bottle necks. Optical media in particular have slow transfer rates, now if instead of making a 1 week long 5gig game you make a 1 week long 35gig+ long game u can expect there to be a serious amount of loading time . Ram surely cant accomodate that much space, and neither will the hard drive as that is also a systems bottleneck

masterdirector
01-14-2006, 08:07 PM
Do you honestly think PS3s games will be better because of all the space that is available in a blue ray disk?

GPUs today are already topping out with todays games and thats with the kind of optimizations, coding, and patching advantages of a PC. The PS3's GPU is not much more than a top of the line NVIDIA PC based GPU.

The PS3's rendering limits will easily be hit before they use up a whole DVD9 cd's capacity.

Just because the media has huge capacity doesnt mean a better game the PS3 as big a power house as it is still has bottle necks. Optical media in particular have slow transfer rates, now if instead of making a 1 week long 5gig game you make a 1 week long 35gig+ long game u can expect there to be a serious amount of loading time . Ram surely cant accomodate that much space, and neither will the hard drive as that is also a systems bottleneck
we'll see. this is without question though, blu-ray will allow for less compressed games, meaning they'll look a ton better, even if the games aren't way bigger. it'll still be a huge noticeable difference I think. The Xbox360 will look like PS2 graphics in comparison to PS3 graphics.

and programmers better/worse...maybe. it sort of depends where you're talking about. american programmers might have gotten worse. maybe all western programmers, I don't know. but today there are so many patches for flaws instead of re-written code. of course, there's a lot more code to write today than back then. and there are people who know how to screw things up, a lot more than there used to be. It is such a different thing now than it was before my time that I don't think it is an easy or completely fair comparison anyhow.

tonytucker
01-15-2006, 01:32 AM
we'll see. this is without question though, blu-ray will allow for less compressed games, meaning they'll look a ton better, even if the games aren't way bigger. it'll still be a huge noticeable difference I think. The Xbox360 will look like PS2 graphics in comparison to PS3 graphics.

and programmers better/worse...maybe. it sort of depends where you're talking about. american programmers might have gotten worse. maybe all western programmers, I don't know. but today there are so many patches for flaws instead of re-written code. of course, there's a lot more code to write today than back then. and there are people who know how to screw things up, a lot more than there used to be. It is such a different thing now than it was before my time that I don't think it is an easy or completely fair comparison anyhow.You are correct, it is probably an unfair comparison to some extent I must admit. As far as graphics go, I think the Xbox 360 is smacking about 22 GB per second(and the PS3 a little bit more), this is a long way from a 6800GS card at 32 GB per second, a 7800 GTX at 38, or the 7800 GTX card that is doing 54 GB per second! :eek: One does wonder somewhat, what the point of all these damn multiple cores are for, when the GPU is only capable of modest performance. :confused: Perhaps Sony and Microsoft should have cut back on all these multiple cores, and instead put more of there time and money into getting a faster GPU.
Later brother brologs.

masterdirector
01-15-2006, 01:55 AM
maybe sony knows something we don't. we're on the verge of nanotechnology, maybe both companies have discovered something with their research. That nanotechnology, once they start figuring out how to make use of it, will be some amazing stuff. I don't know much about it, but from the presentations I sat through at school and the bits I've read, it's quite amazing. Buy your microsoft stock now.

Mech.
01-19-2006, 06:56 AM
Do you honestly think PS3s games will be better because of all the space that is available in a blue ray disk?

GPUs today are already topping out with todays games and thats with the kind of optimizations, coding, and patching advantages of a PC. The PS3's GPU is not much more than a top of the line NVIDIA PC based GPU.

The PS3's rendering limits will easily be hit before they use up a whole DVD9 cd's capacity.

Just because the media has huge capacity doesnt mean a better game the PS3 as big a power house as it is still has bottle necks. Optical media in particular have slow transfer rates, now if instead of making a 1 week long 5gig game you make a 1 week long 35gig+ long game u can expect there to be a serious amount of loading time . Ram surely cant accomodate that much space, and neither will the hard drive as that is also a systems bottleneck

Ive already read about examples where developers for the 360 are running out of space on the dvd and are considering releasing a game on multiple DVD's.You know how much that would suck? Like the only acceptable instance for multiple DVD/CDs for a game are on rpg.But can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if Halo3 had multiple discs?

EDIT:
Also the xbox having HDDVD support wont really have any effect,I mean who will buy the addon if you could buy the standalone for the same price?(assuming that the case because theyre rumored to be very expensive,so a very cheap addon dosent make sense) Its a doomed accesory(Like the ****ty addon you had to buy to play dvd's,even though you know...it could already play DVDs.****ers)

Verstyle
01-19-2006, 04:11 PM
both of u guys can talk about all this high tech **** all u want.but i did want the xbox but now I want the ps3 although ive hated playstation since it came out.but i see xbox360 has had alot of problems so o well.

theironone
01-27-2006, 11:16 AM
ive just got a 360 and am very impressed with, **** it if the ps3 rocks too then ill just buy that aswell, why do some people whinge so much

Jarlaxle
01-31-2006, 10:16 PM
Ive already read about examples where developers for the 360 are running out of space on the dvd and are considering releasing a game on multiple DVD's.You know how much that would suck? Like the only acceptable instance for multiple DVD/CDs for a game are on rpg.But can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if Halo3 had multiple discs?


There probably wont even be extra disc for RPGs. CGIs and sound take up more space then anything. Oblivion has a ton of sound and Enchanted Arm has a ton of CGIs and both games will only have one disc. The only way I could see an Xbox 360 game having more then one disc is if it was multiple Japanese RPGs in one box.


we'll see. this is without question though, blu-ray will allow for less compressed games, meaning they'll look a ton better, even if the games aren't way bigger. it'll still be a huge noticeable difference I think. The Xbox360 will look like PS2 graphics in comparison to PS3 graphics.


Okkkk. Having less compression does not improve graphics. It can in rare cases improve sound and specific cases improve loading times. The difference between the 360 and PS 3 wont be close to the difference between the PS 2 and PS 3. Thats the craziest thing I have heard in years. Expect the 360 and PS 3 to have similar graphics.

???
02-01-2006, 03:12 AM
The only reason they release the 360 is to compete with the PS3.

theironone
02-07-2006, 03:39 AM
??? obviously thats what there in the money for

LS-Injection
02-07-2006, 09:56 AM
Right, the E3 will cost $500 that's a price to pay just for bluelight technology! Where as the Xbox 360 has the same gfx's as the E3 ( PS3 ). THE ONLY REASON WHY THE E3 IS SUPPOSED TO BE SO GOOD...is that all the gamers in japan ect.. are getting on their high horse about it!
It is really just another Xbox 360 apart from the fact that 360 has better online play, plus xbox is for windows, sony E3 is Unix/Linux! So all i got so bud go at it your own way!

You probably even won't have time to play E3 as people will line up outside the shops the day it is released, and still some of them probably wont get it, the only time i think you'll get to play it is around about end of this year or even early - middle 2007!

Good luck!