at 140:Cotto, Gatti, Harris and why

P.S. Guys dont respond to the 2 other threads I made about who is the better fighter Harris or Gatti and who has the better resume Harris or Cotto. Who deserves to be ranked higher is the easier question and I could put them all in one. Thanks

I say Harris because he is the WBA champ. He has wins over M'Baye, Hurtado, and Urkal twice including one by KO. He is also willing to fight anyone in the division

You know where I stand but one more time for the record: 1)Cotto, 2)Gatti, 3)Harris

You know where I stand but one more time for the record: 1)Cotto, 2)Gatti, 3)Harris
I just dont see how you can already have Cotto ahead of Harris or Gatti with no top 10 wins. Maybe N'Dou was in the top 10 but he is a journeyman with numerous losses

You know where I stand but one more time for the record: 1)Cotto, 2)Gatti, 3)Harris
If Cotto gets past Corley then he will be ranked higher but not until then

at 140:Cotto, Gatti, Harris

P.S. Guys dont respond to the 2 other threads I made about who is the better fighter Harris or Gatti and who has the better resume Harris or Cotto. Who deserves to be ranked higher is the easier question and I could put them all in one. Thanks

Gatti
Cotto
Harris
Damn all of them have double letter in the middle.

Gatti
Cotto
Harris
Damn all of them have double letter in the middle.
Why do you have them in that order?

I say Harris because he is the WBA champ. He has wins over M'Baye, Hurtado, and Urkal twice including one by KO. He is also willing to fight anyone in the division

Harris seems to be a tough SOB, but he isn't/wasn't willing to fight everyone in the division...he ran from Hatton after being offered the best deal of his career....period.

on what they have done within the division:

1) Harris
2) Gatti
3) Cotto

on talent:

1) Cotto
2) Harris
3) Gatti

I say Harris because he is the WBA champ. He has wins over M'Baye, Hurtado, and Urkal twice including one by KO. He is also willing to fight anyone in the division

He is also willing to fight anyone? :confused:

If Harris hadnt *****ed out of the Hatton fight we wouldnt be having this debate, Harris is obviously more willing to take less money in an easy fight.

Harris's opponents are less than convincing. Hurtardo's only decent win was against Randall Bailey and the rest of the time he getting beat or fighting bums.

Harris(who is a puncher) only other decent wins are against non punchers in low risk fights with Mbaye and Urkal.

Harris has a lot of talk but he's not willing to fight a risky fighter.

Cotto's has been moved along quickly, he's taken risky fights against durable or hard punching fighters like Sosa, Ndou, Pinto and Bailey. He's fighting Chop Chop next which is a step in the right direction.

Gatti's more than willing to take risky fights, he's mix with a higher level of fighter than Cotto and Harris, he's willing to go to war to win. I doubt Gatti will ever be number 1 at 140 but he has my respect.

My rating are based on skill and records.

1) Cotto
2) Gatti
3) Harris

IMO Cotto has superior skills and would beat both fighters. Harris would beat Gatti but until he stop talking and starts fighting he's below him.

There isnt much in it because non have really proved themsleves against the best fighters, hopefuly soon they will settle this debate for us.

at 140:Cotto, Gatti, Harris and why

P.S. Guys dont respond to the 2 other threads I made about who is the better fighter Harris or Gatti and who has the better resume Harris or Cotto. Who deserves to be ranked higher is the easier question and I could put them all in one. Thanks


Wow, we gotta find something else to talk about quick....this is scraping the bottom of the barrel....

Gatti doesn`tg deserve a higher ranking. He is a paper chap. He beat Branco ( average protected fighter ) and he beat lightweight Dorin ( Dorin is a good fighter, world class, not a light welterweight though but still a decent fighter and a 2nd round KO is an excellent result ). But the problem is he hasn`t beaten a world champion in his weight division since Tracy Patterson.

Cotto is doing well but we`ll see after Coley fight...
Harris has had a few decent wins and seems to be establishing himself as a good fighter. True, he ran a mile from Hatton and this makes him look bad. I think he should challenge the winner of the Mayweather Vs Gatti fight, then we`ll have a clear challenger for tsyzu ( or Hatton ).

Gatti doesn`tg deserve a higher ranking. He is a paper chap. He beat Branco ( average protected fighter ) and he beat lightweight Dorin ( Dorin is a good fighter, world class, not a light welterweight though but still a decent fighter and a 2nd round KO is an excellent result ). But the problem is he hasn`t beaten a world champion in his weight division since Tracy Patterson.

Except former IBF light welterweight champ Terron Millett? :)
Or former WBC Super Featherweight Title Gabriel Ruelas (Gatti fought for the IBF Super Featherweight Title)? :)

(if you meant current world champ; well you can only do that when you win a title and it is not vacant)

Champ: Kostya Tszyu

1. Vivian Harris
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Arturo Gatti
4. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
5. Ricky Hatton

All you Hatton fans must be smoking something if you think that Harris ran from Hatton. If Zoo doesnt fight Hatton will you say the same thing? Zoo is getting way more money then they were offering Harris. Do you guys forget that Cotto was the #1 contender for Harris belt for the longest and the kid never steped up to fight him. Do you guys think that Cotto ran? What has Hatton done for Harris to be running. You Hatton fans are on something

Gatti's 140 lb. Resume'
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1. Terron Millet TKO4: Excellent showing against a legitimate contendor at 140 lb. Simply blows Millet away.
2. Mickey Ward L10: A great fight, one for the ages, but Gatti can't be having these kind of life and death struggles with club fighters.
3. Mickey Ward UD12: Rebounds with the kind of performance I expected in the first fight.
4. Mickey Ward UD12: Is absolutely dominating Ward, until he breaks his right hand. I let this one slide.
5. Gianluca Branco UD12: He should've been more assertive against Branco, a guy who simply had NOTHING.
6. Leonard Dorin KO2: Was I the only one predicting a blow out?
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Bottom line, he's exciting, but not the kind of fighter who can hang with a Tszyu or a Mayweather.

Cotto will prove more of a danger to Hatton than KT. But Cotto will eventaully be conqured by the Hitman.

Cotto will prove more of a danger to Hatton than KT. But Cotto will eventaully be conqured by the Hitman.
You are joking, right?

All you Hatton fans must be smoking something if you think that Harris ran from Hatton. If Zoo doesnt fight Hatton will you say the same thing? Zoo is getting way more money then they were offering Harris. Do you guys forget that Cotto was the #1 contender for Harris belt for the longest and the kid never steped up to fight him. Do you guys think that Cotto ran? What has Hatton done for Harris to be running. You Hatton fans are on something


So in your eyes it's not the champion's obligation to make the fight happen with the #1 contender, it's up to the #1 contender to chase him around and what, beg him for the fight? Cause IMO once a fighter gets to the #1 spot there isn't anything more to do but wait for the champion to step up and defend his title against the #1 ranked opponent!

As for Tszyu gettung offered more money for a fight w/ Hatton than Harris was offered, what do you expect? That is what is supposed to happen with the recognized division champion. You don't think that Tszyu deserves more $ than Harris or what?

So in your eyes it's not the champion's obligation to make the fight happen with the #1 contender, it's up to the #1 contender to chase him around and what, beg him for the fight? Cause IMO once a fighter gets to the #1 spot there isn't anything more to do but wait for the champion to step up and defend his title against the #1 ranked opponent!

As for Tszyu gettung offered more money for a fight w/ Hatton than Harris was offered, what do you expect? That is what is supposed to happen with the recognized division champion. You don't think that Tszyu deserves more $ than Harris or what?
What are you talking about? Harris was begging for the Cotto fight in every interview. He said that he was being protected. Cotto's people never steped up and they still havent.

All you Hatton fans must be smoking something if you think that Harris ran from Hatton. If Zoo doesnt fight Hatton will you say the same thing? Zoo is getting way more money then they were offering Harris. Do you guys forget that Cotto was the #1 contender for Harris belt for the longest and the kid never steped up to fight him. Do you guys think that Cotto ran? What has Hatton done for Harris to be running. You Hatton fans are on something

Forget the other things you said, are you joking about the Hatton vs Hatton fight?

Harris gave the excuses - "the money isnt enough" and "i'm the champ, why should i fight abroad". You could say thats fair until he fought Urkal in Germany for half the money. :D

Wake up, Harris was all talk and couldnt back it up.

Forget the other things you said, are you joking about the Hatton vs Hatton fight?

Harris gave the excuses - "the money isnt enough" and "i'm the champ, why should i fight abroad". You could say thats fair until he fought Urkal in Germany for half the money. :D

Wake up, Harris was all talk and couldnt back it up.
Why is that an excuse? The money wasnt enough

Why is that an excuse? The money wasnt enough

The money offered for Hatton was more than double offered for Urkal, Harris took the short money and easy fight.

The money offered for Hatton was more than double offered for Urkal, Harris took the short money and easy fight.
Thats dumb. It's not suppose to be the same. Just because he got offered more to fight Hatton doesnt mean the money was enough. Look how much more Hatton brings in then does Urkal. If you think he offered Harris his fair market value then your crazy

Damn man I guess you must either be a really close friend or family member or some ****, because no matter how much evidence gets put in front of you you still somehow refuse to see it.

Oh and are you still convinced that everybody else feels the same way about this as you do, and that all of us that disagree must not know **** about boxing?

Thats dumb. It's not suppose to be the same. Just because he got offered more to fight Hatton doesnt mean the money was enough. Look how much more Hatton brings in then does Urkal. If you think he offered Harris his fair market value then your crazy

WTF, your crazy!! :D

Urkal sells tickets in Germany, he fills the stadiums out.

Even if Urkal brings less money to the table its still a fight, Harris still has to train for 3months and step in the ring in another country for half what he could earn! If Hatton's such an easy win for him then why wouldnt he take the best payday of his career and make a name for himself? if he had beaten Hatton he would sell a lot more tickets now.

Harris's fair market value is nothing, nobody wants to see him fight so he's fooling himself by thinking he's worth more than Hatton offered.

I think Harris is a very good fighter but he's an idiot out of the ring. IMO Harris pussied out against Hatton because he knew it was a hard fight, he knew he'd lose part of his purse though the bet with Hatton.

Damn man I guess you must either be a really close friend or family member or some ****, because no matter how much evidence gets put in front of you you still somehow refuse to see it.

Oh and are you still convinced that everybody else feels the same way about this as you do, and that all of us that disagree must not know **** about boxing?
You keep talking about evidence like he has the best resume in boxing. I still havent seen the evidence and the evidence I did see isnt that great to me. Were just going to have to leave it at that.

You have to please forgive littile ole me if I have failed to see the greatness of wins over Baily, Pinto, and N'Dou

You keep talking about evidence like he has the best resume in boxing. I still havent seen the evidence and the evidence I did see isnt that great to me. Were just going to have to leave it at that.

You have to please forgive littile ole me if I have failed to see the greatness of wins over Baily, Pinto, and N'Dou
Dude, before this ends let me point out two things: 1. Never once have I stated that he has the best resume` of all time! I am simply stating that IMO Cotto has a better resume` than Harris!
2. You yap on and on about how Cotto hasn't fought anybody yet. Then when called to make your point aka state your rebuttal you throw out M`Baye and Urkal like they are undeniable accomplishments, yet you never even try to back it up with anything else!

So just fyi maybe before you start knocking a fighters level of comp. by saying that he fights guys who have only beaten nobodies, you might wanna check some of your guys opponents out first. Because there aint a whole lot there with the exception of Hurtado( who like I've said already besides a win over Bailey who else has he beaten!

Dude, before this ends let me point out two things: 1. Never once have I stated that he has the best resume` of all time! I am simply stating that IMO Cotto has a better resume` than Harris!
2. You yap on and on about how Cotto hasn't fought anybody yet. Then when called to make your point aka state your rebuttal you throw out M`Baye and Urkal like they are undeniable accomplishments, yet you never even try to back it up with anything else!

So just fyi maybe before you start knocking a fighters level of comp. by saying that he fights guys who have only beaten nobodies, you might wanna check some of your guys opponents out first. Because there aint a whole lot there with the exception of Hurtado( who like I've said already besides a win over Bailey who else has he beaten!
That just shows that you dont know me because I have also said that Harris hasnt really fought anyone either. I just said that he has fought better people then Cotto and you have disagreed. We both know who their opponents are and we still dont agree so for us to keep debating this is meaningless

That just shows that you dont know me because I have also said that Harris hasnt really fought anyone either. I just said that he has fought better people then Cotto and you have disagreed. We both know who their opponents are and we still dont agree so for us to keep debating this is meaningless
Agreed, Dude as I may have said earlier no hard feelings I enjoyed the spirited debate and I hope we can pick this back up if and when these two square up in the ring, Hopefully sooner than later. Good Times ahead!

One last thing, I also wanted to thank you for helping me get to this my 100th post. PEACE !!!!!!!!!

Agreed, Dude as I may have said earlier no hard feelings I enjoyed the spirited debate and I hope we can pick this back up if and when these two square up in the ring, Hopefully sooner than later. Good Times ahead!
Well that means that you assume that I would pick Harris which is not true. Bet you didnt see that coming. I have always went back and forths on this fight so basicly I am 50/50. Go read the first post on the thread: Who would win: Harris vs Cotto

No hard feelings. Im sure it wont be the last time we do this