Tito just said on Primera Hora that he would take 9 mil if it would make the fight happen with Winky. They also stated that Don King wants Tito to fight Hopkins in September.

Tito Vs Wright, good fight. Hopkins Vs Tito, waste of our time, we saw this fight and in retrospect realizing Hopkins was so effected by the change of date due to 9/11, i think Hopkins will perform so much better next time out, he`ll have a bit more juice on the jab and probably stop the Pueto Rican in 8rds. Then Hopkins could target the winner of the Tarver Johnson rematch or maybe the light middleweights. The one thing that has upset me is that Hopkins is forced into these rematches with fighters who he gave one sided beatings to ( Echols, Allien, Trinidad etc) I want a fresh challenge for Nard, he has earned it!

It's been a long time since Bernard had any real competition. The middleweights just suck. I hope that the Eastman fight is at least competitive.

The second fight will be more competitive and the outcome will be different with Tito on top of the division after his win over Hopkins.

Why? Kborges, WHY? What has Tito shown you recently that would result in a different outcome? Come on, i want a detailed analysis of the factors and differences this time out that will result in that swarny little **** Tito beating the pound for pound king! ****, Robert Allien won more rds vs Hopkins than Tito did, and he went the distance. Then again, Allien probably had that little bit more....desire!

That would be a huge fight and the year defining fights,are always in September it seems. So I could see that being the superfight of 2005.

He'd just get KTFO again.

Tito KO 11, after the Hopkins fight, I'll bet the house (everything on forum) on it.

He'd just get KTFO again.

did you saw the fight? he got KD not KTFO...

Tito Vs Wright, good fight. Hopkins Vs Tito, waste of our time, we saw this fight and in retrospect realizing Hopkins was so effected by the change of date due to 9/11, i think Hopkins will perform so much better next time out, he`ll have a bit more juice on the jab and probably stop the Pueto Rican in 8rds. Then Hopkins could target the winner of the Tarver Johnson rematch or maybe the light middleweights. The one thing that has upset me is that Hopkins is forced into these rematches with fighters who he gave one sided beatings to ( Echols, Allien, Trinidad etc) I want a fresh challenge for Nard, he has earned it!
waste of our time???Hopkins was affected by 9/11 and Tito wasn't?

did you saw the fight? he got KD not KTFO...

You're right sorry. No he wasn't out cold, his eyes were just crossed and he was only stumbling all over.

You're right sorry. No he wasn't out cold, his eyes were just crossed and he was only stumbling all over.

stumbling all over? he went down on one knee...

stumbling all over? he went down on one knee...

You're right sorry, he just couldn't get up was what I meant.

You're right sorry, he just couldn't get up was what I meant.

I think that his father did the right thing stopin d fight...

I think that his father did the right thing stopin d fight...

yea man, had he not who know's, he would have been laid out cold. Enough's enough.

I think Tito would be better and a rematch and Bhop would be a little slower now but its still not enough. Bhop will either win a ud or ko tito in the late rounds.

I was surprised to see someone say that Bernard was in a worse mental state than Trinidad was in their first fight. I had never heard that before. I don't think it's true, though. Trinidad has always been a little bit too passionate, and the habit had just caught up with him in the Hopkins fight. Yunno, Hopkins has a way of just pushing things away and focusing on what was at hand, and Trinidad hasn't really been able to, at least not nearly as well.

Look, by rights I should pick Hopkins, and he will be a solid favorite, as he should be. But he has to get old sometime (I know we've been saying that for years) and he may grow complacent at some point. If he gets his twentieth defense then there's really nothing left for him to chase. That's never been true before. Think about it. In the Trinidad fight he was motivated by the fact that he was the underdog, in spite of a fairly long reign and general concensus that he had been the best middleweight before Trinidad moved up. After that he was hoping for a big payday with De la Hoya, and trying to prove that he could be his own man. He'll have nothing left to prove, no goal to chase, and no need for a bigger bank account. Hear what I'm saying? Cuz I'm not saying it's likely. Just that it's not impossible.

nard is just to good..and the tito fighting out there will be a inshape with nothing on his head(he was in shelters after 9/11 for first fight and he saids cuz of it he didnt train much before fight) so it will be great....i say hopkins takes him apart again and ko's him earlier...lets hope hopkins doesnt get old...lso tito is still the same..so if hopkins reviews his tape from first fight this rematch will end the same and sooner unless tito learn to box more or has a PLAN this time around
:cool:

on his knees!?????...mayorga went to kis knees got up and walked to his corner...tito got KTFO..he was fighting with his dad and holding onto him not to fall at same time

If anything, people who say we think Tito is invincble make Hopkins to be too.

If anything, people who say we think Tito is invincble make Hopkins to be too.


He ain't invincible, but with the crop of fighters in/around his weight class, he looks damn close.

If this fight happens...Tito will definitely look better and will land some nicer punches. He'll give a spirited effort until Nard starts putting that nasty, technical beating on him in the mid rounds. I'd say Hopkins by comfortable decision or by TKO in 10 or less.

tito is a good fighter

but mayorga? hes a natural 147 that slugs only n cant use his brain and only lets tito hit hiim

i watched that dlh fight, he beat him by movin side to side n tito couldnt land ****

[QUOTE=Hurlex]...lso tito is still the same.. [=QUOTE]
I disagree. He used more lateral movement and threw more right hands in both of his post-bernard fights than in almost any of his pre-bernard fights. Plus he was tighter and not as inclined to get wild as before. But of course, neither Cherifi nor Mayorga were ever fit to lick the mud off of Bernard's shoes, so whether Tito can do the same things in a rematch with Hopkins is highly questionable.

Tito Vs Wright, good fight. Hopkins Vs Tito, waste of our time, we saw this fight and in retrospect realizing Hopkins was so effected by the change of date due to 9/11, i think Hopkins will perform so much better next time out, he`ll have a bit more juice on the jab and probably stop the Pueto Rican in 8rds. Then Hopkins could target the winner of the Tarver Johnson rematch or maybe the light middleweights. The one thing that has upset me is that Hopkins is forced into these rematches with fighters who he gave one sided beatings to ( Echols, Allien, Trinidad etc) I want a fresh challenge for Nard, he has earned it!


No, Hopkins chooses to fight his mandatories and rematches. From his 40 some odd fights, the only credible opponents he beat were William Joppy, De la Hoya, and Trinidad. Echols, Allen three times, are mandatories. In the division, you are allowed to fight one fight before your mandatory, something like what Klitchko did with fighting Williams instead of Rahman. You can do that if you want to. Jermain Taylor or Trinidad will beat him. Eastman has a good chance as well.

I have to see this on paper before I believe it. Last i heard Don King was reluctant to sign the fight.

Tito KO 11, after the Hopkins fight, I'll bet the house (everything on forum) on it.


I'll take that bet everday of the week.

Fact is Tito is just not as good as Hopkins plain and simple. Tito can look amazing when he has the right guy in front of him. In his two biggest fights against the two best fighters he fought he wasn't even competative.

I'll take that bet everday of the week.

Fact is Tito is just not as good as Hopkins plain and simple. Tito can look amazing when he has the right guy in front of him. In his two biggest fights against the two best fighters he fought he wasn't even competative.


Tito was mildly competitive against Hopkins. There at least was the air of Tito landing a turnaround shot throughout.

Who is this other guy Trinidad wasn't competetive against ?

I'll take that bet everday of the week.

Fact is Tito is just not as good as Hopkins plain and simple. Tito can look amazing when he has the right guy in front of him. In his two biggest fights against the two best fighters he fought he wasn't even competative.

You always say the same **** about Tito...Not as good as Hopkins? I hope that you mean that just as a middleweight fighter...he wasn't even competitive against who? DLH? Is not his fault that DLH turn into a ***** and RUN the last 4 rounds of their fight scared of being hit by Tito...Against Nard I believe that Tito didn't or wasn't able to perform at his full potencial...IMO Tito underestimated Nard and went to the fight just looking for the KO...but to say that he wasn't even competitive?...not competitive but he went the full 12rds?

Tito is a ***** for retiring. If he wanted to face Hopkins in a rematch he should have became a mandatory. I don't see why a fighter like Trinidad would refuse to take the road towards becoming a mandatory opponent. Think about it, one, you make millions in your comeback fights, two, you rebuild your reputation, and three you probably would end up standing a better chance in a rematch (at least in people's opinion, anyway). The thing what I don't get is why do you people think he will stand a better chance, just because he beat Mayorga. What did Trinidad do to Mayorga (who isn't even a credible 160 pounder, let alone a good fighter.) what will lead you Tito fans to think this??

You always say the same **** about Tito...Not as good as Hopkins? I hope that you mean that just as a middleweight fighter...he wasn't even competitive against who? DLH? Is not his fault that DLH turn into a ***** and RUN the last 4 rounds of their fight scared of being hit by Tito...Against Nard I believe that Tito didn't or wasn't able to perform at his full potencial...IMO Tito underestimated Nard and went to the fight just looking for the KO...but to say that he wasn't even competitive?...not competitive but he went the full 12rds?

Eleven and a half..

Tito was mildly competitive against Hopkins. There at least was the air of Tito landing a turnaround shot throughout.

Who is this other guy Trinidad wasn't competetive against ?


No he wasn't. He lost every single round and no way is anyone taking Hopkins out with one punch.

Hopkins/Tito punch stats

Hopkins
Thrown: 634
Landed: 260

Tito
Thrown: 329
Landed: 129

DLH/Tito punch stats

DLH
Thrown: 648
Landed: 263

Tito
Thrown: 462
Landed: 166

yeah looks real competative to me.

You always say the same **** about Tito...Not as good as Hopkins? I hope that you mean that just as a middleweight fighter...he wasn't even competitive against who? DLH? Is not his fault that DLH turn into a ***** and RUN the last 4 rounds of their fight scared of being hit by Tito...Against Nard I believe that Tito didn't or wasn't able to perform at his full potencial...IMO Tito underestimated Nard and went to the fight just looking for the KO...but to say that he wasn't even competitive?...not competitive but he went the full 12rds?


Give it up, my god man.

They fought and guess what we found out? Tito is not as good as Hopkins DEAL WITH IT.

Yes DLH was so scared of being hit. I mean damn Tito was just tee'ing off all night long wasn't he..oh no thats right he was swinging at air like a fool.

DLH ran like a lil girl for a reason, stop makeing excuses.

The thing what I don't get is why do you people think he will stand a better chance, just because he beat Mayorga. What did Trinidad do to Mayorga (who isn't even a credible 160 pounder, let alone a good fighter.) what will lead you Tito fans to think this??

I will tell you why I think that he will stand a better chance:

In their fight, Tito underestimated Nard...I say this cuz in an interview b4 their fight he said that he beat the best middle in Joppy...He was just looking for the KO against Nard...after 9/11 he stop training to help the ppl from NY...while Nard went back to training...all the things that Nard did to get into his head like the hand wraps and throwing the PR flag to the ground...Also in the same time it was know that he had a child outside his marriage...

And the most important thing...HE FOUGHT NARD...THE GUY THAT MANY CONSIDER ONE OF THE BEST 160 POUNDERS JUST IN HIS SECOND FIGHT AS A MIDDLEWEIGHT!!!!

Tito fans listen up.....YOUR BOY GOT STOMPED FOR 11 1/2 ROUNDS BY HOPKINS, IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE. and the same would happen again, the end result probably coming quicker this fight around. Tito can't handle the diversity of Hopkins.....and there is no way ever would Hopkins take that fight or any fight lightly, so you know his coming to win, always. he's too proud, and trying to cash in before he retires, plus he wants to leave his legacy behind intact with wins on his way out. i'll take Hopkins 10 out of 10 times, fighting Tito. if they fight again, it'll be a 9th rd ko by an uppercut this time. i'm calling the round and the punch too!!! Hopkins ko's Tito 9th rd, by an uppercut!

also Hopkins won't be giving any freebie's either like mayorga did.......

I will tell you why I think that he will stand a better chance:

In their fight, Tito underestimated Nard...I say this cuz in an interview b4 their fight he said that he beat the best middle in Joppy...He was just looking for the KO against Nard...after 9/11 he stop training to help the ppl from NY...while Nard went back to training...all the things that Nard did to get into his head like the hand wraps and throwing the PR flag to the ground...Also in the same time it was know that he had a child outside his marriage...

And the most important thing...HE FOUGHT NARD...THE GUY THAT MANY CONSIDER ONE OF THE BEST 160 POUNDERS JUST IN HIS SECOND FIGHT AS A MIDDLEWEIGHT!!!!

waah waah waah! stop crying and making excuses, if tito was so great he wouldnt be distracted by that ****, hopkins not only physically beat him, but YOU just admitted that he also MENTALLY beat him, which is even worse dude, get over it, tito is a great fighter, but bernard is an all time great, he is just flat out better

DLH ran like a lil girl for a reason, stop makeing excuses.


you dont outland your opponent by one HUNDRED punches by fighting like a girl. It's not good to idolize people homie, they will let you down. Tito is a great fighter, but Bernard is better. Plain and simple, no bias, it's a legitimate fact.

I will tell you why I think that he will stand a better chance:

In their fight, Tito underestimated Nard...I say this cuz in an interview b4 their fight he said that he beat the best middle in Joppy...He was just looking for the KO against Nard...after 9/11 he stop training to help the ppl from NY...while Nard went back to training...all the things that Nard did to get into his head like the hand wraps and throwing the PR flag to the ground...Also in the same time it was know that he had a child outside his marriage...

And the most important thing...HE FOUGHT NARD...THE GUY THAT MANY CONSIDER ONE OF THE BEST 160 POUNDERS JUST IN HIS SECOND FIGHT AS A MIDDLEWEIGHT!!!!


you make some good points. with all issues withstanding, he should have been able to keep his head concentrated on the task at hand (Hopkins), i think he will do better than last time for the first few rounds, but Hopkins is going to break him down. Oscar did a better job against Hopkins than Tito did, and I dont think Tito will even do as decent as Oscar did. He will do better than their first fight though.

waah waah waah! stop crying and making excuses, if tito was so great he wouldnt be distracted by that ****, hopkins not only physically beat him, but YOU just admitted that he also MENTALLY beat him, which is even worse dude, get over it, tito is a great fighter, but bernard is an all time great, he is just flat out better

I'm not crying or making excuses...I just think that Tito can beat Nard in a rematch...flat out better than Tito? So he is flat out better than DLH too?...Nard is not even close to Tito's legacy in boxing...

you dont outland your opponent by one HUNDRED punches by fighting like a girl. It's not good to idolize people homie, they will let you down. Tito is a great fighter, but Bernard is better. Plain and simple, no bias, it's a legitimate fact.I never said anything about the Tito/Hopkins fight.
De La Hoya ran like a lil girl, you dont run for nothing.

I'm not crying or making excuses...I just think that Tito can beat Nard in a rematch...flat out better than Tito? So he is flat out better than DLH too?...Nard is not even close to Tito's legacy in boxing...


tito is great but you are bias as hell, nard 20 straight defenses, tito could never match that, nard beat tito head to head, he knocked his ass out, he could not have continued in that fight, nard, all time great

I never said anything about the Tito/Hopkins fight.
De La Hoya ran like a lil girl, you dont run for nothing.

Execpt when you lose then its ok to tuck your tail and run away from the entire sport huh

I'm not crying or making excuses...I just think that Tito can beat Nard in a rematch...flat out better than Tito? So he is flat out better than DLH too?...Nard is not even close to Tito's legacy in boxing...


YES

Hopkins is flat out better than anyone 168 and down and YES again Hopkins legacy is better than Tito's

you make some good points. with all issues withstanding, he should have been able to keep his head concentrated on the task at hand (Hopkins), i think he will do better than last time for the first few rounds, but Hopkins is going to break him down. Oscar did a better job against Hopkins than Tito did, and I dont think Tito will even do as decent as Oscar did. He will do better than their first fight though.

What's up Godz...that's what I mean, I think that he can do a better fight than the first...about DLH doing a better job against Nard that Tito, I think that Nard gave DLH to much respect the first rounds (or he was waiting for DLH to get tired),I don't agree that he did better than Tito...

I never said anything about the Tito/Hopkins fight.
De La Hoya ran like a lil girl, you dont run for nothing.


Like I said, you dont outland your opponent by one HUNDRED punches by running like a girl. I like Tito and Oscar the same. Oscar made Tito look ordinary for the first 10 rounds of that fight, he was making tito miss and countering Tito's MISSES with sharp, quick combinations. He stayed away at the end because he was exhausted. No one wants to get knocked out, and if your in a boxing match and your exhausted, you better stay away. ESPECIALLY if you outlanded your opponent by ONE HUNDRED punches. Im not hating on Tito, but you guys gotta stop idolizing him, he is a magnificent fighter who is destined for the hall of fame, but dont follow him blindly into the fire. By fire I mean Bernard Hopkins. Who wants some Tequilla? :D

Execpt when you lose then its ok to tuck your tail and run away from the entire sport huhAnother issue, another topic. I'm sorry, but DLH ran like a lil girl. :D

What's up Godz...that's what I mean, I think that he can do a better fight than the first...about DLH doing a better job against Nard that Tito, I think that Nard gave DLH to much respect the first rounds (or he was waiting for DLH to get tired),I don't agree that he did better than Tito...


Bernard did give Oscar too much respect, but Oscar won at least 3 rounds out of that fight, so he had to do better than Tito, I dont think Tito won a single round against bernard, and it was hard to watch that being a fan of Tito. But at least you make sense, not like some of the Tito fans that think he's God. Karma for you.

i think everyone agrees that tito is great, but nard is so dam dedicated and smart he uses tito's aggression against him, only way tito beats him is if nard gets old before they fight again, thats the only way

YES

Hopkins is flat out better than anyone 168 and down and YES again Hopkins legacy is better than Tito'sHopkins has only two big wins, how is that better than Titos record? If Roy Jones never moved up in weight, he could of done the same as Hopkins, and kill his career.

Hopkins has only two big wins, how is that better than Titos record? If Roy Jones never moved up in weight, he could of done the same as Hopkins, and kill his career.


Are you really comparing legacies? The answer to that is Hopkin's INSANE title defenses, which is a record in the history books now. The word "If" is meaningless, because Roy didnt stay there to "kill" Hopkin's career. You are truly blind if you think that Tito is more accomplished than Bernard.

The only ones with a good chance against Nard are Winky, Taylor and maybe even Sturm, you know people his size. As to Oscar and Tito, they are just blown up welters. Tito is over-hyped because he beat a blown up Mayorga who dropped his hands on purpose. Even a lightweight can drop someone who drops their hands. I am not convinced of Tito's comeback till he beats a real Middleweight and a young one too. Not an old finished one like Joppy. Tito was overhyped after beating aging Joppy and is over-hyped now for beating a non-technic blownup welter who dropped his hands(Mayorga). The stats show how much better Oscar did against Tito and against Hopkins. Oscar performed brilliantly against Hopkins compared to Tito, who couldn't get a punch in against Hopkins.
Summary:
Tito= outclassed, outpunched by Hopkins.
Oscar= beaten by lucky liver shot.

Are you really comparing legacies? The answer to that is Hopkin's INSANE title defenses, which is a record in the history books now. The word "If" is meaningless, because Roy didnt stay there to "kill" Hopkin's career. You are truly blind if you think that Tito is more accomplished than Bernard.Roy Jones would of hoged all the Middleweight belts, like he was Hopkins daddy. Fighters stay at one weight, only because they have no fan base to risk moveing up. If Jones stayed at Middleweight, we'd be talking about him, instead. Numbers arent that impressive.

Roy Jones would of hoged all the Middleweight belts, like he was Hopkins daddy. Fighters stay at one weight, only because they have no fan base to risk moveing up. If Jones stayed at Middleweight, we'd be talking about him, instead. Numbers arent that impressive.


Being Undefeated for 11 YEARS and almost 20 straight defenses isnt an impressive accomplishment? I bet if Tito had those accolades you would be calling him the greatest boxer of all time. You'd prolly get a tattoo of him. Why do you compare your God Tito to the only man to beat the living **** out of him? I dont understand.

Tito did like 15 defences of his welterweight title, plus champ in like 3 divisions...isn't that more than 20 in middleweight?

Roy Jones would of hoged all the Middleweight belts, like he was Hopkins daddy. Fighters stay at one weight, only because they have no fan base to risk moveing up. If Jones stayed at Middleweight, we'd be talking about him, instead. Numbers arent that impressive.


you trinidad fans are really pissing me off, if this convo was about roy vs tito you prob would say roy had a ****ing glass jaw and ****, but now since it suits your argument he is sugar ray robinson, stop talking about **** that never happened, nard ****ED up TITo, get over it, he is better than tito, and always will be, and if tito fought roy at middleweight he would have been kayoed within 3 rounds, hop is the only one to win 4 rounds against roy in his prime, nobody else won more than 2 ****ing rounds man

Tito did like 15 defences of his welterweight title, plus champ in like 3 divisions...isn't that more than 20 in middleweight?


it would be if tito beat nard,but he didnt it wasnt even close, nard beat the **** out of him, he dismantled him thats why nard is better, they fought head 2 head and nard crushed him, that has to put im ahead of tito, think about it its common sense

it would be if tito beat nard,but he didnt it wasnt even close, nard beat the **** out of him, he dismantled him thats why nard is better, they fought head 2 head and nard crushed him, that has to put im ahead of tito, think about it its common senseSo, Tito wasnt at his natural weight, Hopkins was. Big deal, Tito moved up in weight to fight the best, instead of waiting for the best to gain weight.

it would be if tito beat nard,but he didnt it wasnt even close, nard beat the **** out of him, he dismantled him thats why nard is better, they fought head 2 head and nard crushed him, that has to put im ahead of tito, think about it its common sense


this thread has become border-line psychotic hasnt it? lol

So, Tito wasnt at his natural weight, Hopkins was. Big deal, Tito moved up in weight to fight the best, instead of waiting for the best to gain weight.


tito is awesome dude, and he is a fearless warrior, ill pay to watch everyone of his fights, he just came up short in that one, nobody's knocking him but when you compare legacies hop has to be on top due to the head 2 head win, personally i dont want to see them fight again, i want tito to be around for a while, i dont want hop to beat him again and retire him again, i like both fighters

you dont outland your opponent by one HUNDRED punches by fighting like a girl. It's not good to idolize people homie, they will let you down. Tito is a great fighter, but Bernard is better. Plain and simple, no bias, it's a legitimate fact.
It's not good to idolize people? This coming from a guy who is pleading with Mandy Moore to marry him on a computer. What the **** are you doing dip-****. Your the same ****er who told me I had "way to much time on my hands" when I made a post connecting Randall to Ali, which took all of five minutes. You look like you've got more time on your hands (to go with you **** on your hand) than I do pal. By the way, I hope you don't think that ******y little picture of you and that cheezy redneck mustache makes you look like some kind of a Don Juan. You God damn ****ing looser. I hope I haven't offended you....Mr. Mandy Moore.

this thread has become border-line psychotic hasnt it? lol


yes it has, i think tito draws out all the homosexuals or something, must be the baby face

It's not good to idolize people? This coming from a guy who is pleading with Mandy Moore to marry him on a computer. What the **** are you doing dip-****. Your the same ****er who told me I had "way to much time on my hands" when I made a post connecting Randall to Ali, which took all of five minutes. You look like you've got more time on your hands (to go with you **** on your hand) than I do pal. By the way, I hope you don't think that ******y little picture of you and that cheezy redneck mustache makes you look like some kind of a Don Juan. You God damn ****ing looser. I hope I haven't offended you....Mr. Mandy Moore.

hahahaha! He's all riled up.

I dont much care for Hopkins, much in the same way as I didn't like hagler as much as I loved Hearns. Maybe in 5-10 years time I'll be able to look back with kinder, wiser eyes. For now, Hopkins will get beat! It must pass!

Tito was not the same fighter that night and anybody who ever seen him fight before knows it. It could be for whatever reason, but it just wasn't the same guy out there. Maybe Hopkins strategy made it look that way. Maybe Tito underestimated Hopkins. Maybe he was going through some problems, but to know for sure we all need to see the rematch. Don't give me that bull**** that Hopkins will make it look easier and if you think that you must either be a boxing idiot or a Hopkins ass snifin brown noser. As far as the DLH fight yeah he hit him with some light fluries which some were partially blocked Tito did outland him with power punches. On my card Tito won that fight and he did win some of the early rounds as well. Hopkins put on a sensational performance that night against Tito, but it will not be the same the second time around. Your trying to tell out of 2 yrs that Tito has not learned how to beat Hopkins **** give me a f*!#*$^! break. We will see soon.

yes it has, i think tito draws out all the homosexuals or something, must be the baby face

Well aren't we a condescending prick today? LOL

Tito was not the same fighter that night and anybody who ever seen him fight before knows it. It could be for whatever reason, but it just wasn't the same guy out there.

Maybe the reason was that he was getting beaten?

Sh*t happens.

Maybe 'sh*t' will happen when Hopkins faces Eastman, LOL That would make my frigging year.

Tito was not the same fighter that night and anybody who ever seen him fight before knows it. It could be for whatever reason, but it just wasn't the same guy out there. Maybe Hopkins strategy made it look that way. Maybe Tito underestimated Hopkins. Maybe he was going through some problems, but to know for sure we all need to see the rematch. Don't give me that bull**** that Hopkins will make it look easier and if you think that you must either be a boxing idiot or a Hopkins ass snifin brown noser. As far as the DLH fight yeah he hit him with some light fluries which some were partially blocked Tito did outland him with power punches. On my card Tito won that fight and he did win some of the early rounds as well. Hopkins put on a sensational performance that night against Tito, but it will not be the same the second time around. Your trying to tell out of 2 yrs that Tito has not learned how to beat Hopkins **** give me a f*!#*$^! break. We will see soon.

Us Barrera fans cant get away with saying that was a different Marco in there with Pac.

It's not good to idolize people? This coming from a guy who is pleading with Mandy Moore to marry him on a computer. What the **** are you doing dip-****. Your the same ****er who told me I had "way to much time on my hands" when I made a post connecting Randall to Ali, which took all of five minutes. You look like you've got more time on your hands (to go with you **** on your hand) than I do pal. By the way, I hope you don't think that ******y little picture of you and that cheezy redneck mustache makes you look like some kind of a Don Juan. You God damn ****ing looser. I hope I haven't offended you....Mr. Mandy Moore.


I think its kind of obvious that the mandy moore thing is a joke. hence the( :D ). I didnt say you had too much time in a bad way. I thought it was cool what you did with that time line. No i dont think I'm a don juan, and I'm glad I'm not such an ******* (as yourself) that I have to talk **** to people on the internet. No it's not good to idolize people, because at some point in time they are going to let you down. Take some ****in medicine you ill tempered jerk-off.

And if this fight does get made, mark my words, Bernard Hopkins KO's Tito Trinidad in Round 9

And if this fight does get made, mark my words, Bernard Hopkins KO's Tito Trinidad in Round 9

Tito will KO Nard within 8rds...wanna bet?

Tito will KO Nard within 8rds...wanna bet?


No thanks bro. I'm not a betting man. I may change my mind though........ ask that Colonel guy who was talking **** to me, he's high strung, he might be down for a bet.

Tito will KO Nard within 8rds...wanna bet?


I'll bet you everything I own. However I highly doubt Tito will even take a rematch with Hopkins. He was so scared mentally from the last fight he left the sport completly

I'll bet you everything I own. However I highly doubt Tito will even take a rematch with Hopkins. He was so scared mentally from the last fight he left the sport completly

I mean a real bet...not fantasy points...

No thanks bro. I'm not a betting man. I may change my mind though........ ask that Colonel guy who was talking **** to me, he's high strung, he might be down for a bet.

No problem bro..

Tito Vs Wright, good fight. Hopkins Vs Tito, waste of our time, we saw this fight and in retrospect realizing Hopkins was so effected by the change of date due to 9/11, i think Hopkins will perform so much better next time out, he`ll have a bit more juice on the jab and probably stop the Pueto Rican in 8rds. Then Hopkins could target the winner of the Tarver Johnson rematch or maybe the light middleweights. The one thing that has upset me is that Hopkins is forced into these rematches with fighters who he gave one sided beatings to ( Echols, Allien, Trinidad etc) I want a fresh challenge for Nard, he has earned it!

yeah, tito vs winky would be a good fight. and yeah, tito vs hopkins would be very different. tito out in 8 rounds, i don't think so. it would be more exciting than the first and i think tito pulls it out!! hopkins move up past 160? yeah ****ing right!! not happening!!

I mean a real bet...not fantasy points...

No real bet for me, BUT im willing to bet 10M for a Hopkins victory ;)

I see a repeat victory here by B-Hop....

First of all this have been a great thread guys.I'd like to give my personal opinion as well.Why are so many people underating Mayorga,a guy who beat Forrest 2/times who beat mosley two times who beat De La Hoya two times(controversial).Then if he is just a blow up welter wheight then Hopkin's biggest wins were against a blow up welter weight and a light weight warriors who were searching greatness????As far as Tito/DLH fight I thought it was a draw,no way in the hell Oscar won the first 9 rounds in a row just watch the fight without volume and be as objetive as posible,may be Oscar could have done a better job toe-to-toe he have a great chin and abilities to beat tito and vise versa.
Well as far of legasy I don't think hop legasy is that great copared to oscar and tito.Almost 19 defenses,yes of course,against who??? allen echols,Mercado :rolleyes:.May be the lack of big names on all those fights were the reason of his late startum.Just think about it, the only big wins of nard were against tito and DLH.DLH and Tito opposition on the lower weights were far better than hop's.DLH had fought against the best in a lot of weight classes as well tito's.

Lets be honest,if wasn't for the victories over tito and oscar who will be hopkins today,an unknow boring fighter who did 20's defenses against lesser opponents.Don't get me wrong nard is a guy who came over all odds and have what it take to beat either oscar or tito at 160 but this is boxing all can happen.Just my humble oppinion and if you ask me I'm fan of all those boxers(DLH,Nard,Tito Mayorga etc.)Just my oppinion based on the facts.

First of all this have been a great thread guys.I'd like to give my personal opinion as well.Why are so many people underating Mayorga,a guy who beat Forrest 2/times who beat mosley two times who beat De La Hoya two times(controversial).Then if he is just a blow up welter wheight then Hopkin's biggest wins were against a blow up welter weight and a light weight warriors who were searching greatness????As far as Tito/DLH fight I thought it was a draw,no way in the hell Oscar won the first 9 rounds in a row just watch the fight without volume and be as objetive as posible,may be Oscar could have done a better job toe-to-toe he have a great chin and abilities to beat tito and vise versa.
Well as far of legasy I don't think hop legasy is that great copared to oscar and tito.Almost 19 defenses,yes of course,against who??? allen echols,Mercado :rolleyes:.May be the lack of big names on all those fights were the reason of his late startum.Just think about it, the only big wins of nard were against tito and DLH.DLH and Tito opposition on the lower weights were far better than hop's.DLH had fought against the best in a lot of weight classes as well tito's.

Lets be honest,if wasn't for the victories over tito and oscar who will be hopkins today,an unknow boring fighter who did 20's defenses against lesser opponents.Don't get me wrong nard is a guy who came over all odds and have what it take to beat either oscar or tito at 160 but this is boxing all can happen.Just my humble oppinion and if you ask me I'm fan of all those boxers(DLH,Nard,Tito Mayorga etc.)Just my oppinion based on the facts.

Great post comepana...

It is the victories aghainst every middlesweight he has faced since June 1993 that make Hopkins so great. No one has given him a comptetitive fight. What has Trinidad done in REMATCHES to suggest he`ll do any better? Nothing, because he has never had a rematch.
Hopkins dominated Tito. And of course Hopkins was more effected by Sept 11th than Tito was. It was his country that was attacked, not Pueto Rico! Tito didn`t give two ****s just as long as Don King paid him. I was routing big time for Hopkins first time, since America had been attacked, we needed a big American victory over a foriegn threat to boast the esteam of the people. I will always remember Hopkins after KOing Tito holding the American flag and chnting USA USA! He didn`t just fight for himself, he fought for America, America beat Trinidad that night, it showed that they have been down but it would get up and prove the impossible and KO that tit guy!
That sort of heart can not be discounted. Hopkins also showed he was so much the better fighter!

It is the victories aghainst every middlesweight he has faced since June 1993 that make Hopkins so great. No one has given him a comptetitive fight. What has Trinidad done in REMATCHES to suggest he`ll do any better? Nothing, because he has never had a rematch.
Hopkins dominated Tito. And of course Hopkins was more effected by Sept 11th than Tito was. It was his country that was attacked, not Pueto Rico! Tito didn`t give two ****s just as long as Don King paid him. I was routing big time for Hopkins first time, since America had been attacked, we needed a big American victory over a foriegn threat to boast the esteam of the people. I will always remember Hopkins after KOing Tito holding the American flag and chnting USA USA! He didn`t just fight for himself, he fought for America, America beat Trinidad that night, it showed that they have been down but it would get up and prove the impossible and KO that tit guy!
That sort of heart can not be discounted. Hopkins also showed he was so much the better fighter!

And a better gambler lol He bet 100 Gs on him

It is the victories aghainst every middlesweight he has faced since June 1993 that make Hopkins so great. No one has given him a comptetitive fight. What has Trinidad done in REMATCHES to suggest he`ll do any better? Nothing, because he has never had a rematch.
Hopkins dominated Tito. And of course Hopkins was more effected by Sept 11th than Tito was. It was his country that was attacked, not Pueto Rico! Tito didn`t give two ****s just as long as Don King paid him. I was routing big time for Hopkins first time, since America had been attacked, we needed a big American victory over a foriegn threat to boast the esteam of the people. I will always remember Hopkins after KOing Tito holding the American flag and chnting USA USA! He didn`t just fight for himself, he fought for America, America beat Trinidad that night, it showed that they have been down but it would get up and prove the impossible and KO that tit guy!
That sort of heart can not be discounted. Hopkins also showed he was so much the better fighter!Yeah too bad no one celebrated with your unamerican "hero", everybody in the "real" world was rooting for Trinidad, in the "USA" :rolleyes: .

I think he looks to good to be true against small welters like Mayorga and old shot fighters like Joppy, but looks horrible against a real middleweight (Hopkins). Sad but true. Dont' believe the hype, just look at the facts.

Viva Puerto Rico!!!

The only thing Tito accomplishes against Tito in a rematch is a decent payday and a chance to shut up all his fans once and for all. It isn`t enough really, Hopkins should move to fight Tarver/Johnson winner instead. At least its fresh meat not old ground!

I think he looks to good to be true against small welters like Mayorga and old shot fighters like Joppy, but looks horrible against a real middleweight (Hopkins). Sad but true. Dont' believe the hype, just look at the facts.

Viva Puerto Rico!!!
Your an idiot. When joppy fought trinidad he wasnt shot. Joppy wasnt he the 2nd best after b-hop in 01? How many times did b-hop fight Joppy? 2 or 3? When you make fun of tito for fighting a ww (who really isnt since mayo came in at 154 the fight before)shouldnt you really be making fun of b-hop since his 3 biggest wins are against a shot joppy and two ww? To many people discredit tito for losing at fight, what can you do when you lose to the best?? nothing but train harder.

why is this so hard to come to agreement on? whoever beats who is the better boxer. Trinidad lost to Hopkins. Plain and simple. So make up your mind if this makes Hopkins better or Tito worse.

I think he looks to good to be true against small welters like Mayorga and old shot fighters like Joppy, but looks horrible against a real middleweight (Hopkins). Sad but true. Dont' believe the hype, just look at the facts.

Viva Puerto Rico!!!

im with you man.

It is the victories aghainst every middlesweight he has faced since June 1993 that make Hopkins so great. No one has given him a comptetitive fight. What has Trinidad done in REMATCHES to suggest he`ll do any better? Nothing, because he has never had a rematch.
Hopkins dominated Tito. And of course Hopkins was more effected by Sept 11th than Tito was. It was his country that was attacked, not Pueto Rico! Tito didn`t give two ****s just as long as Don King paid him. I was routing big time for Hopkins first time, since America had been attacked, we needed a big American victory over a foriegn threat to boast the esteam of the people. I will always remember Hopkins after KOing Tito holding the American flag and chnting USA USA! He didn`t just fight for himself, he fought for America, America beat Trinidad that night, it showed that they have been down but it would get up and prove the impossible and KO that tit guy!
That sort of heart can not be discounted. Hopkins also showed he was so much the better fighter!

Ok are you saying that PR or tito is a foreign threat? cuz if your are your an just plain ignorant. Wasnt tito handing out food after 9/11 and not training? You cant say hopkins was more effected by 9/11 just cuz he is American and Tito is PR. Hopkins was the better fighter that night plain and simple and your right about that, no excuses. but you sound like a white trash racist ***** when you said America beat tito. Sorry if i offended you but ignorance upsets me

Why? Kborges, WHY? What has Tito shown you recently that would result in a different outcome? Come on, i want a detailed analysis of the factors and differences this time out that will result in that swarny little **** Tito beating the pound for pound king! ****, Robert Allien won more rds vs Hopkins than Tito did, and he went the distance. Then again, Allien probably had that little bit more....desire!


Here's Your answer: Tito's Dad stopped training him 2wks before the fight TWO WEEKS (because he was mad that tito had a child out of wedlock)! As his trainer and his father that definitely had an effect on the fight. That on top of haveing a baby out of wed lock is more than enough of a reason why Tito lost that fight. In every Tito fight his father slaps him in between rounds, do you know how many times Tito was slapped by his father in the Hopkins fight? NONE!!!! Think about that. Now this on top of him staying in New York during the whole 9-11 thing will prove why it will be a different outcome IF they fight again. I am NOT making any of this stuff up, It's all facts.

Hell Yeah!

Wow, a new excuse to add to the ledger. So far we have:

1) Trinidad was mad because Hopkins knocked a flag out of his hand. Therefore, he fought stupid.

2) 9/11 affected him too much to perform well.

3) He didn't think Hopkins - a man who dominated every opponent he faced for the last several years - was a threat.

4) Trinidad was a natural welterweight, despite the fact that he had killed himself to make 147 for years before he moved up to 154, and then became the only man to KO Joppy at 160.

5) He was beefing with his Papi because of a child out of wedlock.

Keep them coming fellas. It'll be fun to see what imaginative things you'll come up with when Hopkins easily beats him again if they have a rematch. Big if considering he has to get by Wright first.

Wright is a good fighter but against TITO he's a joke. He Has NO Power whatsoever. He is purely a defensive fighter. Wright couldn't even KO Vargas in their fight and let's not mention that TITO Knocked him the %$#@ OUT!!! On top of all that who has Wright fought? Mosely and Vargas? COME ON!!!! Mosely got his ass handed to him by Forrest who is MIA! So all ya'll talkin that stuff bout how IF TITO gets passed Wright need to realize that your boy is going to get smoked. Wright can defend all he wants but there will be a blow that will find its way and then BAM....Who's next....B-Hop! FO SHO!!!!