I'm not really all that familiar with the MMA'ers of today, even in it's humble beginnings when UFC was coming up in the early 90's I was more of a casual fan. I'd like to see everybody's list from #1 - #10 Greatest of All - Time and why you rated them for those slots. This includes both "leagues" UFC and Pride fighters

Greatest Of All - Time

#1. Royce Gracie- I don't know of any other

MMA'er of his size that could've taken

on giants like Severn and Shamrock and

beat 'em.

I haven't really followed anybody like Gracie

Some that I did or do like is Sakuraba,

Mark Coleman,

Maurice Smith(I've always liked
him prior to seeing him in an MMA event
he proved everybody what a stand up fighter
with world-class talent can do against
great grapplers)

That Thai kid who only weighs about 175lbs.
taking out those big dudes. Something like
Kaenorsing I think is his last name...

I wouldn't call Royce one of the greatest p4p of all time, but he was great for another reason, he proved the effectivness of ground fighting when it was virtually unheard of....

This man IMO is the P4P greatest of all time...

http://img1.sports.krs.yahoo.com/fighter/person/big/personImage_00000784.jpg
Fedor Emiliananko (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=1500)

I'm not really all that familiar with the MMA'ers of today, even in it's humble beginnings when UFC was coming up in the early 90's I was more of a casual fan. I'd like to see everybody's list from #1 - #10 Greatest of All - Time and why you rated them for those slots. This includes both "leagues" UFC and Pride fighters

Greatest Of All - Time

#1. Royce Gracie- I don't know of any other

MMA'er of his size that could've taken

on giants like Severn and Shamrock and

beat 'em.

I haven't really followed anybody like Gracie

Some that I did or do like is Sakuraba,

Mark Coleman,

Maurice Smith(I've always liked
him prior to seeing him in an MMA event
he proved everybody what a stand up fighter
with world-class talent can do against
great grapplers)

That Thai kid who only weighs about 175lbs.
taking out those big dudes. Something like
Kaenorsing I think is his last name...

Gracie was only great in the Early UFC for the fact that half the people he fought wern't trained the other half new nothing about BJJ..
1.Bas Rutten - for his time there wasn't any better.
2.Sakuraba - beat many gracies by submission
3.Fedor - undefeated
4.Gomi - undefeated in pride.
5.wanderlei silva - went undefeated @205 for 2yrs, + he challenged some solid HW;s.
6.Carlos Newton - Only had the belt brifly in the UFC, his ground skill can only be matched by a few..
7.Dan henderson - Always under-rated, never had a belt, now he does, he'll keep it for a while..
8.Matt Hughes - I hate him, but he's a dominant champ in the ufc.
9.Pat militich - he should be higher on my list but i aint goin back to change it.
10.Shogun - He isnt' best of all time but he will be, he's new bread of MMA fighter, he's an excellent striker with an excellent ground game.. Rare breed..

I'm drawing a mind blank, so I used fighters who are starting to drop out of the spotlight and fighters that have achieved waht no-one else could in that weight class.

Francisco Juarez Shamrock was pretty good too.

PS: If this thread is about top P4P fighters, Royce is not even top 20... LIke Kaps said, he was a pioneer, and he will be remember for that not for being top P4P.

In the no holds bar era, I would say Rickson Gracie.
In the no time limit, no rounds, no judges, mulitple fights until there was a winner in the UFC, I would say Royce Gracie.
In the time limit with judges in the UFC, I would say Mark Coleman.

In current times, there are weight classes and so it wouldnt be an absolute champion. With rounds and judges so truly you dont know who is the champion. But with the rules nowadays,
P4P would go to Fedor without a doubt.

In the no holds bar era, I would say Rickson Gracie.
In the no time limit, no rounds, no judges, mulitple fights until there was a winner in the UFC, I would say Royce Gracie.
In the time limit with judges in the UFC, I would say Mark Coleman.

In current times, there are weight classes and so it wouldnt be an absolute champion. With rounds and judges so truly you dont know who is the champion. But with the rules nowadays,
P4P would go to Fedor without a doubt.

Coleman best of all time?? I would consider him a pioneer at most.. He wasn't around for the first 9 UFC's But he's been in tha world of pro MMA since 96..
He came into the UFC on fire, but that fire was extinguished after his first 6fights.. He dropped 4 straight against solid comp, if he would have pulled out some wins that might have changed my point of view.

Chuck Lidell is the
greatest of all time

Greatest right now is FEDOR!!!



Rickson Gracie
Royce Gracie
Chuck liddell
Frank and Ken shamrock
Tito Ortiz hate him or love him he helped market the sport big time when fighters had matt hughes personality and were basically bland he put some charisma which boxing had to mma.
Randy Couture
to many to name.....

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/takada_profile.jpg

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/takada_profile.jpg

takada lmao!

he lost twice to rickson.

by the way whats the story with him and proud? whats his relationship. I always seem him at the pressers and he plays the big drum in the beggining.

Don't quote me on this but I think he is part owner or something.

P4P?
Let's say that, a smaller version of Fedor would fight vs the likes of Gomi, Rickson, Penn , Kid...I'd still have Fedor as the favorite. Fedor would probably beat them up to a pulp.

P4P?
Let's say that, a smaller version of Fedor would fight vs the likes of Gomi, Rickson, Penn , Kid...I'd still have Fedor as the favorite. Fedor would probably beat them up to a pulp.


If you watch most of Fedors fights! its almost like he has a gaurdian angel watching over him the way he is able to escape just barely from devastating kicks and punches is amazing.

And that shot he took from fujita

and the slam on his head by randleman.... someone above is looking out for him.

The guy is a machine.

If you watch most of Fedors fights! its almost like he has a gaurdian angel watching over him the way he is able to escape just barely from devastating kicks and punches is amazing.

And that shot he took from fujita

and the slam on his head by randleman.... someone above is looking out for him.

The guy is a machine.

Gardian angel or not , the reason I'm still mentioning Fedor as the p4p best mma fighter of all time is mainly because of his evolution.

That's the most impressive aspect of this particular fighter.
He keeps evolving. He comes up with something different for every of his fights. He seems much faster than before. His gameplans are also more complexe.

It seems to me that He's not thinking like a fighter would.
He's employing war tactics lol. It's like a chess game.
He looks out of shape and yet, He's incredibly fast with his transitions on the ground. What's also amazing is that he's not just fighting with a prepared gameplan.
He adapts to the shittiest situations imaginable,(his fight vs Coleman perfectly illustrates this), and turns it to his advantage in no time.

The only reason why this guy is number 1 at the moment is because he's the smartest fighter in mma.

Gardian angel or not , the reason I'm still mentioning Fedor as the p4p best mma fighter of all time is mainly because of his evolution.

That's the most impressive aspect of this particular fighter.
He keeps evolving. He comes up with something different for every of his fights. He seems much faster than before. His gameplans are also more complexe.

It seems to me that He's not thinking like a fighter would.
He's employing war tactics lol. It's like a chess game.
He looks out of shape and yet, He's incredibly fast with his transitions on the ground. What's also amazing is that he's not just fighting with a prepared gameplan.
He adapts to the shittiest situations imaginable,(his fight vs Coleman perfectly illustrates this), and turns it to his advantage in no time.

The only reason why this guy is number 1 at the moment is because he's the smartest fighter in mma.


Fedor is a machine a well tuned machine!

you ever heard about STALIN? His ideal soldier was a killing machine with no emotion or heart whatsoever he just executes orders...thats Fedor no smile no anger when he throws a punch no expression at all on his face, no emotion. every fight most people grunt or make faces his face is like a mask when throwing punches, and applying submissions he is unreal.

He also said in an interview when he fights he thinks back to when he was dirt poor and they couldnt even afford food, and then he looks at the guy across the ring as a guy trying to take his food and preventing him from feeding his family.

I am impressed with his all around skills as well.

And his workouts he doesnt do bench press or squats with heavy ass weights he just mainly does body weight excersizes and low cost equipment all oldschool like the sledghammer and giant tire, and the rubber bands and push ups, pull ups etc... Like they say keep it simple.

takada lmao!

he lost twice to rickson.

by the way whats the story with him and proud? whats his relationship. I always seem him at the pressers and he plays the big drum in the beggining.


He works for Pride, he used to be a pro wrestler in japan, a very popular one at that, so Pride uses him to promote, he also runs the Takada Dojo in Japan that produces fighters like Sakuraba and Matsui....

And his workouts he doesnt do bench press or squats with heavy ass weights he just mainly does body weight excersizes and low cost equipment all oldschool like the sledghammer and giant tire, and the rubber bands and push ups, pull ups etc... Like they say keep it simple.

LOL!! I've seen that shit in a documentary based on Fedor..(I think it was called "pride to the top".).. talk about oldschool! lol. This guy is for real. His physical conditioning is amazing.

The only time I ever seen Fedor smile was when Nog beat CroCop...

He works for Pride, he used to be a pro wrestler in japan, a very popular one at that, so Pride uses him to promote, he also runs the Takada Dojo in Japan that produces fighters like Sakuraba and Matsui....


Ya I heard his dojo is a good one.

But it seems strange when you see him at the pressers with that small japanese guy?the owner?? right. well then when the fight starts he is banging the drum barely clothed hahaah it just seems weird.

LOL!! I've seen that shit in a documentary based on Fedor..(I think it was called "pride to the top".).. talk about oldschool! lol. This guy is for real. His physical conditioning is amazing.


Lmao you saw that?

did you also notice how ghetto his set up was?

he was using the childrems play ground monkey bars and shit ahahaha

the rainbow colored playground equipment.

The only time I ever seen Fedor smile was when Nog beat CroCop...

He is smiling in that pic with Wandie, when they're in that roller coaster ride... I got that pic somewhere.

I got the pic of him and Igor, he's smiling in that one too, nevermind my previous post...

What Lidell did to Couture
and Horn was incredible.
he is hands down the best ever.
a livin legend

What Lidell did to Couture
and Horn was incredible.
he is hands down the best ever.
a livin legend

Your a loser, you livin on a moment and it isn't even yours lmao..
Chuck is sittin, he's like "yah I beat a 45yr old(couture) and a guy that hasn't faced top competitoin in 5yrs(horn) ther's nobody else IN THA UFC for me to fight, but hell no I;m not goin to pride"
Your sitting on the computer raving how he's the best and how he's god.. Go get a life you ****ing moron...

He is smiling in that pic with Wandie, when they're in that roller coaster ride... I got that pic somewhere.

I know I seen him smile before but if you read my thread I was talking about during fights he shows no emotion, not even anger or anything not even a smirk. The guy is a freaking machine like his soul leaves his body before he enters the ring shit is crazy.

He smiled during the staredown against Ogawa.

What Lidell did to Couture
and Horn was incredible.
he is hands down the best ever.
a livin legend


i think horn taking it into the 4th rd was more incredible.

do you really think chuck id p4p the best?i think he`d cry like a girl if he saw Fedor standing on the other side of the octagon/ring.

right now i believe Fedor is #1.....ok i`ll put his nuts down now :D ;)

I know I seen him smile before but if you read my thread I was talking about during fights he shows no emotion, not even anger or anything not even a smirk. The guy is a freaking machine like his soul leaves his body before he enters the ring shit is crazy.


He looked pretty pissed in the second fight with Nog, right after the headbutt and the ref was seperating them, Nog gave him a little shove with his foot and it looked like Fedor was gonna drop a bomb on his ass...

LHW and Drunkenmster, please don't feed the trolls....

Kaps it's OK I'm a pro..
I'm a troll smasher, the bait is set :D

i think horn taking it into the 4th rd was more incredible.

do you really think chuck id p4p the best?i think he`d cry like a girl if he saw Fedor standing on the other side of the octagon/ring.

right now i believe Fedor is #1.....ok i`ll put his nuts down now :D ;)

Liddell can't be #1 of all time, no way in hell.
The guy wouldn't even be a #1 fighter in the pride fc division.
P4P it's Fedor plain and simple.
whatever happens in the future of this sport, Fedor is already one of the most important figure in the history of this biz..

MMA is not as old as Boxing, but it's safe to say that Fedor will be remembered and he'll be a reference.
The only other fighter who equals Fedor Emelianenko in the history of mma is of course Masahiko Kimura. The most important fighter in the history of judo and what would later become, mma or as the brazilians call it, vale tudo.

Coleman best of all time?? I would consider him a pioneer at most.. He wasn't around for the first 9 UFC's But he's been in tha world of pro MMA since 96..
He came into the UFC on fire, but that fire was extinguished after his first 6fights.. He dropped 4 straight against solid comp, if he would have pulled out some wins that might have changed my point of view.
In his time! He has proven it by being the Champion in the UFC and also Pride GP Champion. Can you name anyone else that did that?

In his time! He has proven it by being the Champion in the UFC and also Pride GP Champion. Can you name anyone else that did that?

He wasn't the best in his time, maybe that year.. plenty of people have gotten the best of mark coleman even in his prime. The reason this happend anyway is for the fact coleman was one of the best HW's UFC ever had and the HW division is shit now..for a UFC fighter to come from UFC and beat fedor is unthinkable, I'll go punish myself now..

i think horn taking it into the 4th rd was more incredible.

do you really think chuck id p4p the best?i think he`d cry like a girl if he saw Fedor standing on the other side of the octagon/ring.

right now i believe Fedor is #1.....ok i`ll put his nuts down now :D ;)


I think once Fedor feels
one of Chucks hooks he wont
know what the hell hit him.
Fedor will be in a dream state.
Chuck has incredibel strikes.

I think once Fedor feels
one of Chucks hooks he wont
know what the hell hit him.
Fedor will be in a dream state.
Chuck has incredibel strikes.

LOL!!!!!!11

LOL!!!!!!11

Pls don't encourage the stupid.. If you must encourage him pls do it for the following..
1.Jumping in front of bus
2.Jumping off a bridge(if bridge unavailable than building)
3.Shooting himself
4.Tell him he can breathe underwater but he has to be atlesst 20ft deep
5. encourage him to cancel the internet :)

Gomi is p4p the best fighter in history....

Pls don't encourage the stupid.. If you must encourage him pls do it for the following..
1.Jumping in front of bus
2.Jumping off a bridge(if bridge unavailable than building)
3.Shooting himself
4.Tell him he can breathe underwater but he has to be atlesst 20ft deep
5. encourage him to cancel the internet :)

id help turn your k bar blue but im not allowed right now. good post

lol gracie's are far from being no1 P4P MMA fighters of all time . Kazushi Sakuraba owned all gracies. he exposed how to beat BJJ. back in 90s when MA community thought that BJJ was unbeatable, this man stood up and beat up all gracie's . he really did give royce a beating of his life :P .

Why no love for Randy Coutour here? That guy is a legend!!

Why no love for Randy Coutour here? That guy is a legend!!



Cuz Chuck KOd him