View Full Version : Question about boxing gloves in the Rocky movies


MaximRecoil
01-05-2006, 08:31 AM
In Real Life: Most of that is the magic of makeup, but Stallone and Weathers did improvise a bit, and, wrote Stallone in "The Official Rocky Scrapbook," they were both in real pain during the day the fight was filmed, because of the damaged inflicted by the "Casanova" gloves they wore. Casanova gloves, explained Stallone, are illegal in the U.S., but the filmmakers used them "because of their sleek appearance."

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020529.html

Can someone explain this to me? What are "Casanova gloves", and why are they illegal in the U.S.?

As far as "sleek appearance" goes, I thought the sleekest looking gloves in the series were the gloves that Clubber Lang wore in Rocky III, they didn't seem to have much padding/bulk/weight and had almost a torpedo shape. They were "Tuf-Wear" gloves. Rocky's gloves were "Tuf-Wear" in Rocky III too, but they were noticeably bulkier than Clubber's. I always figured they gave Mr. T/Clubber Lang the smaller gloves to make his punches seem even more brutal and the bulkier more padded gloves to Stallone/Rocky to make his punches seem more ineffectual. Would that even be allowed in a real professional bout? Can one boxer wear say 8 oz. gloves while the other wears 12 oz. gloves?

For anyone familiar with the Rocky movies, what weight gloves would you guess they were using for each character in Rocky III, and in other Rocky's if you happen to know?

hollister
01-05-2006, 08:37 PM
I don't think thst would be allowed in a professional fight.

MaximRecoil
01-05-2006, 08:53 PM
I don't think thst would be allowed in a professional fight.

You mean the different weight gloves thing?

Do you know what "Casanova gloves" are and why they are illegal in the U.S.?

opethdrums
01-05-2006, 10:22 PM
http://www.center-sp.co.jp/boxing/gloves/casanova.jpg

Slipx
01-05-2006, 10:26 PM
probably because of larry holmes' eye thumb/jab hybrid cheapshot technique. didn't he favor those mitts?

grayfist
01-05-2006, 10:51 PM
I don't know that a number of boxing commissions have banned Casanovas (I may have missed news of that). All I know is that many in the higher divisions don't like them. They're made in Mexico and said to be thinly padded in the knuckles and too light-- mostly 6 and 6.5 ounces. While they're a puncher's gloves, they can also damage the hands. Many find that too risky and started favoring Reyes for punchers.

I must confess that I'm raking my head trying to remember when the last time was that I saw Casanovas used in a big fight.

I recall a furor of gloves involving Casanova gloves, a Japanese brand, Sayers gloves, Angelo Dundee and Mac Foster's manager George Stassi, back in the early 70's right before Ali faced Foster in Tokyo.

Stassi insisted that Casanova be used, while Dundee wanted the Japanese gloves. After much wranggling and cussing, they agreed on Sayers.

Dundee said then that Casanova was not good for Ali because Ali could break his hand. Stassi retorted that all Dundee cared about was not Ali's hand but Ali's jaw.

adeelr
01-05-2006, 11:30 PM
intersting observation. the possible reason for banning gloves would probably be their size and the chances of injury associated with them.
Cassanova gloves do look ridiculously thin.

In the movie 'ALI' something opposite to this can be seen the gloves that are used in the filming of the fights look really huge, they look like those 14 or 16 oz sparring gloves, where as the gloves used then were really small 8 oz gloves.
did anybody else notice that?

masterdirector
01-05-2006, 11:33 PM
intersting observation. the possible reason for banning gloves would probably be their size and the chances of injury associated with them.
Cassanova gloves do look ridiculously thin.

In the movie 'ALI' something opposite to this can be seen the gloves that are used in the filming of the fights look really huge, they look like those 14 or 16 oz sparring gloves, where as the gloves used then were really small 8 oz gloves.
did anybody else notice that?
most movie gloves look large to me, like 16 ounce or around there.

grayfist
01-05-2006, 11:39 PM
intersting observation. the possible reason for banning gloves would probably be their size and the chances of injury associated with them.
Cassanova gloves do look ridiculously thin.

In the movie 'ALI' something opposite to this can be seen the gloves that are used in the filming of the fights look really huge, they look like those 14 or 16 oz sparring gloves, where as the gloves used then were really small 8 oz gloves.
did anybody else notice that?I remember reading quite a number of critical reviews on the fight scenes of the movie as well as, yes, the gloves. :)

Could have been that the producers wanted everything to look larger than life?;)

Oh, well...

adeelr
01-05-2006, 11:47 PM
I remember reading quite a number of critical reviews on the fight scenes of the movie as well as, yes, the gloves. :)

Could have been that the producers wanted everything to look larger than life?;)

Oh, well...
if you are going to make a movie on human being, the least u can do is keep it real. The fight scenes were very inaccurate too, i havent read about the criticism but now i will.
THe gloves really ticked me off though, the punches looked really sloppy becuz of those ugly gloves. Smaller gloves would have improved the fight scenes alot.

DiegoFuego
01-05-2006, 11:48 PM
gimme those gloves

MaximRecoil
01-05-2006, 11:48 PM
most movie gloves look large to me, like 16 ounce or around there.

In Rocky III, Lang's gloves were tiny compared to Balboa's. I don't know much about boxing equipment but Lang's look like what, 8 oz.?

http://maxim.skyphix.com/glove_size_difference.jpg

http://maxim.skyphix.com/balboa_gloves.jpg

http://maxim.skyphix.com/lang_gloves.jpg

Edit: Damn, the site is down (intermittently it seems) that I hosted those pictures from. Oh well, it will be back up eventually I suppose.

grayfist
01-06-2006, 12:04 AM
if you are going to make a movie on human being, the least u can do is keep it real. The fight scenes were very inaccurate too, i havent read about the criticism but now i will.
THe gloves really ticked me off though, the punches looked really sloppy becuz of those ugly gloves. Smaller gloves would have improved the fight scenes alot. The critical comments that I read mostly came from the boxing world, as I recall. I am guessing that those in the entertainment industry viewed the gloves and other instances of over-emphasis as exercises in poetic license.

The late, venerated film mogul, Cecil B. DeMille, famous for his biblical sagas on film, was also notorious for often jazzing up episodes in the bible.

And if you look at the works of El Greco and Titian...

There is a tendency in art to make things look more than they really are/were.
But, I share your view that the more faithful the depiction, the better. It would be honest.

RiverCityMike
01-06-2006, 12:13 AM
I could be wrong but I believe that weight divisions welter and below use 8oz while 154 and up use 10oz. Someone else may be better qualified to answer this.

grayfist
01-06-2006, 12:31 AM
I could be wrong but I believe that weight divisions welter and below use 8oz while 154 and up use 10oz. Someone else may be better qualified to answer this.If this has reference to my earlier post about the Casanova gloves dispute in Tokyo in '72, Ali and Foster eventually used Sayers 8- ounce gloves.

In the course of the arguments, as I can recall, someone brought in a scale and weighed the Casanovas. They were way below the agreed upon 8 ounces (6.5). Dundee tried to put them on, claiming Ali and he had just about the same size of hands. He struggled to make the Cassanovas fit. The OJ Simpson trial and the gloves ("If they don't fit, you must acquit!") was of course, pretty much later, but...:)

Angelo also figured in another story involving gloves (though, I am not sure that the story is true). It is said that once, Dundee peeked through the slightly open door of the dressing room of his boy's opponent and saw that the adversary was not properly warming up. He quickly dashed back to his own dressing room and had the gloves of his boy changed from Everlast to Reyes. The reported result: his boy won by 1st round KO.

The question that could be raised on the story is, "How was it that Dundee was allowed to just change his boy's gloves without obviously informing officials and the adversary's camp? Wasn't there a prior agreement, as there should have been?"

Oh, well, boxing is full of tales, some tall.

More on gloves: as late as the 70's 5-ounce gloves were not unheard of in the Bantamweight- Flyweight classses. 6 was fairly common. There were even 4-ounce gloves.

`STEELHEAD
01-06-2006, 02:02 AM
I could be wrong but I believe that weight divisions welter and below use 8oz while 154 and up use 10oz. Someone else may be better qualified to answer this.

i read somewhere that welter and up can choose 10oz and hvwts can use 12oz.

grayfist
01-06-2006, 09:49 AM
Article 20 of the WBA Safety Code adopted in 1984 specifies 8- ounce gloves for welterweight-down and 10-ounce gloves for Jr. Middle- up.

WBC's WC-14 of its Championship Rules says the same thing.

Dunno about the IBF and WBO.

American_Ninja
01-06-2006, 12:32 PM
probably because of larry holmes' eye thumb/jab hybrid cheapshot technique. didn't he favor those mitts?
Why does some dill weed always have to slam someone ? Cant ya just stick to the thread subject? WTF does Holmes have to do with Anything? Glove types!!!!!!!

-GBGQ-
01-06-2006, 03:25 PM
If you look at the Apollo Creed/Ivan Drago fight it looks like Drago is wearing bag gloves i'm pretty sure.

i remember noticing that last time I watched it....about 2 weeks ago.

Don Flamenco
03-13-2009, 12:42 AM
I just got them tonight and these things are sweet. I can't wait to try these out on the mitts.

I would think the reason for them being illegal in the US is due to them having unattached thumbs. They don't seem much smaller than my brother's 14 oz Reyes gloves.

I'll try and post some side by side pics with these, my bro's shevlins and my Shevlin's when I get them uploaded.