With Manny Pacquiao shifting his fight date to March 19, this opens up a spot on HBO's planned February 26 card. ********* has learned that unbeaten WBO jr welterweight champion Miguel Cotto will be on the telecast. Former WBO Demarcus Corley has been mentioned as a possible opponent.
Monday, January 10 2005

DeMarcus Corley is really good... But Cotto would be too much for him.

IMO Chop Chop shouldn't take this fight right now.. he needs a couple more wins to get himself back on track.

Vivian Harris and Cotto would be good..

Wait Wait, this confirms the March Morales fight?

chop chop is done done. he is over with. cotto should be fighting someone else!!

dam ..their useing corley for a punching bag...he and n'dou

cotto is awesome!

chop chop is done done. he is over with. cotto should be fighting someone else!!

Totally agree. I would like to see him in with a true contender, not a past his prime fighter thats already been beat around by the other big names at 140.

All of you are crazy. How can you say that Chop is done? How many guys wouldve beaten Floyd and Zab? Cotto wouldnt have beaten either. Corley didnt take a beating in neither. This will be a much closer fight then people think and I wouldnt be suprised at all if Corley won. He is a much better fighter then you think. He has the big fight experience and has sparred with top fighters. He will kick Cotto's ass if he underestimates him

cotto is awesome!

:rolleyes: ........

All of you are crazy. How can you say that Chop is done? How many guys wouldve beaten Floyd and Zab? Cotto wouldnt have beaten either. Corley didnt take a beating in neither. This will be a much closer fight then people think and I wouldnt be suprised at all if Corley won. He is a much better fighter then you think. He has the big fight experience and has sparred with top fighters. He will kick Cotto's ass if he underestimates him

I'm not gonna go as far as saying that Chop Chop is done persay, but I do however have to disagree on your statement that Chop didn'ttake a beating against Floyd. Dude that is exactly what happened in that fight Chop Chop got Pop Popped over and over all thru the match with PBF's biggest punches and got dropped like what 4 times or some **** like that! I would really hate to see what has to happen to a fighter in a bout for you to say they took a beating. If in fact Cotto and Chop square off I think it will end by the 10th rd. with Cotto winning via Ko/Tko from a all out body assault, Chop may or may not be a finished fighter but I think right now what he needs most is a boost in his confidence in his abilities. Wrong fight to take to accomplish that imo!

I'm not gonna go as far as saying that Chop Chop is done persay, but I do however have to disagree on your statement that Chop didn'ttake a beating against Floyd. Dude that is exactly what happened in that fight Chop Chop got Pop Popped over and over all thru the match with PBF's biggest punches and got dropped like what 4 times or some **** like that! I would really hate to see what has to happen to a fighter in a bout for you to say they took a beating. If in fact Cotto and Chop square off I think it will end by the 10th rd. with Cotto winning via Ko/Tko from a all out body assault, Chop may or may not be a finished fighter but I think right now what he needs most is a boost in his confidence in his abilities. Wrong fight to take to accomplish that imo!
I know that Floyd dominated him and probally won every round. He went down twice. My point is though that he wasnt brutally beaten like X did Tito. Floyd doesnt have dynamite in his hands and Chop wasnt bruised up or viciously knocked out so thats what I meant. Chop's confidence isnt lacking. He thinks he almost knocked out maybe the best #for# fighter in the world. Chop doesnt think that just because he lost to a world class fighter doesnt mean that Cotto will beat him. He hasnt faught anyone better then Chop and he's a lefty. Chop thinks he can easily beat Cotto and I think he has a good chance

Well, I don't know if he will beat Cotto, but he's top 6 at 140 in my book easy.

I personally don't understand why boxing fans are so fickle that when a good fighter like corley loses two fights to 2 of the best guys out there, all of the sudden, he's "done"
I say Cotto by stoppage late in the fight or by u decision, but only because i think corley should take a tune up fight or 2 before he fights somebody of Cotto's skill

I agree chop chop is a great oppenent for Cotto. He is far from done and if Cotto wins in impressive fashion it will only be a matter of time before he climbs to the top. First he will get rid of gatti, then we will see what he is really made of against PBF.

Well, I don't know if he will beat Cotto, but he's top 6 at 140 in my book easy.

I personally don't understand why boxing fans are so fickle that when a good fighter like corley loses two fights to 2 of the best guys out there, all of the sudden, he's "done"
I say Cotto by stoppage late in the fight or by u decision, but only because i think corley should take a tune up fight or 2 before he fights somebody of Cotto's skill
He's already faught once since the Mayweather fight

I agree chop chop is a great oppenent for Cotto. He is far from done and if Cotto wins in impressive fashion it will only be a matter of time before he climbs to the top. First he will get rid of gatti, then we will see what he is really made of against PBF.
Floyd will get the Gatti fight first

I don't think Gatti's people will have him fight Cotto anytime soon.
Cotto is not a big enough draw right now in the mainstream, considering how good he is.

The fair-weather boxing fan who buys ppvs isn't going to know who cotto is until he beats somebody top 3... Gatti's handlers are smart. Mayweather would be a much better fight for him, and I think it'll happen this year.

Well, I don't know if he will beat Cotto, but he's top 6 at 140 in my book easy.

I personally don't understand why boxing fans are so fickle that when a good fighter like corley loses two fights to 2 of the best guys out there, all of the sudden, he's "done"
I say Cotto by stoppage late in the fight or by u decision, but only because i think corley should take a tune up fight or 2 before he fights somebody of Cotto's skill

Top 6 huh, wow just a quick ? for ya, who exactly has Chop Chop beaten to rank at #6 in you book? And also who do you bump down in favor of Chop Chop? The rest of your post I agree wholeheartidly(sp?) with. I've never been a Corley hater or a hugger always thought he's a real tuff journeyman stepping-stone type fighter whose biggest win was a snoozefest showdown with Randall Bailey who also appears to have been a pretender instead of contender!

Top 6 huh, wow just a quick ? for ya, who exactly has Chop Chop beaten to rank at #6 in you book? And also who do you bump down in favor of Chop Chop? The rest of your post I agree wholeheartidly(sp?) with. I've never been a Corley hater or a hugger always thought he's a real tuff journeyman stepping-stone type fighter whose biggest win was a snoozefest showdown with Randall Bailey who also appears to have been a pretender instead of contender! Actually, let me reitterate (sp?).. Corley isn't top 6.. I actually just made a thread where I ranked him #8, which is about right...
I took a good look at the division, and considering every body else, he's at about 8, give or take.
Sorry

Yea I just saw your thread sorry :) . This div. is weird cause it seems so deep yet when you look closely it's almost top heavey and shallow. Alot of unproven prospects at this weight, But man think if Chico, Castillo, Judah, Spinks, Freitas, Casamayor, Juan Diaz, Tackie, Kermit Cintron and a few others were to all have a go at a catch- weight of say 143 3/4 lbs. Oh **** that would be heaven!!!!!

Top 6 huh, wow just a quick ? for ya, who exactly has Chop Chop beaten to rank at #6 in you book? And also who do you bump down in favor of Chop Chop? The rest of your post I agree wholeheartidly(sp?) with. I've never been a Corley hater or a hugger always thought he's a real tuff journeyman stepping-stone type fighter whose biggest win was a snoozefest showdown with Randall Bailey who also appears to have been a pretender instead of contender!
He's in the top 5 easily if you ask me.

He's in the top 5 easily if you ask me.

THEN U MUST BE TALKING ABOUT TSZYU, COTTO, GATTI, MAYWEATHER, SHARMBA MITCHELL, VIVIAN HARRIS, HATTON!! CUZ I KNOW UR NOT TALKING ABOUT CORLEY!! TOP 5!?!?!?! THAT IS FUNNY!!

THEN U MUST BE TALKING ABOUT TSZYU, COTTO, GATTI, MAYWEATHER, SHARMBA MITCHELL, VIVIAN HARRIS, HATTON!! CUZ I KNOW UR NOT TALKING ABOUT CORLEY!! TOP 5!?!?!?! THAT IS FUNNY!!
Look at the my post on the top 10 140 thread

1.Zoo
2.Floyd
3.Harris
4.Cotto/Chop- Whoever wins the fight
6.Mitchell
7.Hatton
8.N'Dou
9.Gatti
10.Leija

I dont see how you can have Harris so high when he's only fought at the same level as Cotto, Hatton and Gatti? And he hasnt looked as impressive as any of them.

And Chop Chop above Mitchell, Hatton and Gatti?

Corley got beat by Jab and Mayweather, if you dont think the defeats count because the opponents were very good then why havent you got someone like Tackie up there? He's only been beaten by elite fighter too. :confused:

I dont see how you can have Harris so high when he's only fought at the same level as Cotto, Hatton and Gatti? And he hasnt looked as impressive as any of them.

And Chop Chop above Mitchell, Hatton and Gatti?

Corley got beat by Jab and Mayweather, if you dont think the defeats count because the opponents were very good then why havent you got someone like Tackie up there? He's only been beaten by elite fighter too. :confused:
At the begining of my post I sad that I wrote who I think is the better fighters. Harris has beaten Urkal twice in germany and KO him once and he has also beaten M'baye. Hatton, Cotto, or Gatti havent beaten know one that good. Chop was a champ and lost a close fight to Zab and lost to Floyd. Why should that count as for who is the better fighter when I think everyone on the list except for Zoo wouldve lost to those 2. Tackie lost to Mitchell and Hatton who I dont have ranked that high and he has lost to other guys. Hatton hasnt faught anyone and I dont think that he can beat Chop and the same goes for Gatti. Mitchell got Knocked out in the 3rd round against Zoo and his only recent wins have came against nobodies. I also think that Floyd is the best fighter but I'll give Zoo his respect and put him at #1 since Floyd has only had one fight

I think it is a good chanllenge at Cotto's career stage.he eventually will step on class.Corley only had lost with the best.

Mitchell above Hatton? No way.

Mitchell above Hatton? No way.
Will you stop kissin Hatton's ass about everything. He hasnt steped up yet so you have to put a guy who has over him

Mitchell above Hatton? No way.

Getting beat by Tszyu is no disgrace but i know what you mean, Mitchells tried and failed twice so Hatton should move above him, especially when Hatton's beat their common foes a lot more impressively.

Will you stop kissin Hatton's ass about everything.

You wouldn't dare say that if he was standing next to you.

At the begining of my post I sad that I wrote who I think is the better fighters. Harris has beaten Urkal twice in germany and KO him once and he has also beaten M'baye. Hatton, Cotto, or Gatti havent beaten know one that good. Chop was a champ and lost a close fight to Zab and lost to Floyd. Why should that count as for who is the better fighter when I think everyone on the list except for Zoo wouldve lost to those 2. Tackie lost to Mitchell and Hatton who I dont have ranked that high and he has lost to other guys. Hatton hasnt faught anyone and I dont think that he can beat Chop and the same goes for Gatti. Mitchell got Knocked out in the 3rd round against Zoo and his only recent wins have came against nobodies. I also think that Floyd is the best fighter but I'll give Zoo his respect and put him at #1 since Floyd has only had one fight

Please explain to me your logic in this rediculous statement cause I'm really interested in hearing you try to explain how in the **** you have come to think that M`Baye is better than than opponents of Cotto and Gatti especially Gatti. I'll give Chop Chop one thing in his favor is the two losses are to upper tier competition even though he was blown out against PBF and was in a close fight with Zab "supah overrated" Judah. But like I said Harris is a mystery cause his only real quality wins are over Urkal twice and D. Hurtado who can be real streaky depending on which Hurtado shows up to fight. I think Harris could be for real but it's too early to tell! So if you could please explain how a win over M`Baye is bigger than anyone Cotto and Gatti have beaten?

Please explain to me your logic in this rediculous statement cause I'm really interested in hearing you try to explain how in the **** you have come to think that M`Baye is better than than opponents of Cotto and Gatti especially Gatti. I'll give Chop Chop one thing in his favor is the two losses are to upper tier competition even though he was blown out against PBF and was in a close fight with Zab "supah overrated" Judah. But like I said Harris is a mystery cause his only real quality wins are over Urkal twice and D. Hurtado who can be real streaky depending on which Hurtado shows up to fight. I think Harris could be for real but it's too early to tell! So if you could please explain how a win over M`Baye is bigger than anyone Cotto and Gatti have beaten?
Are you serious? Cotto hasnt faught anyone so what do you mean? M'Baye, Urkal twice, and Hurtado are all better then anyone Cotto has beaten. As for Gatti Im speaking of 140. He hasnt beaten anyone and has struggled in almost every fight. He has faced better comp overall but has lost to every solid guy he's fault so what are you saying?

Are you serious? Cotto hasnt faught anyone so what do you mean? M'Baye, Urkal twice, and Hurtado are all better then anyone Cotto has beaten. As for Gatti Im speaking of 140. He hasnt beaten anyone and has struggled in almost every fight. He has faced better comp overall but has lost to every solid guy he's fault so what are you saying?


OK so you wanted it well you got it here is wht I'm sayin

Cotto: has wins over 1)N`Dou (who has proven to be a tuff ****er I actually thought he deserved the nod against Mitchell), 2)V. Sosa (who went 12 w/ PBF, 12 w/ Spaddy even dropping Spaddy twice, he lasted only 4 w/ Cotto, 3)Bazan had been in the ring w/ the likes of Castillo, and went 1-1 against Stevie Johnston, 4) Justin Juuko lasted 10 rds. w/ Chico lasted 5 w/ Cotto, lasted 9 rds. w/ PBF lasted 5 w/ Cotto And that's not even counting Pinto, Randall Bailey, Rockey Martinez, John Brown, Demetrious Ceballos all of this in a total of 22 fights!!!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!

Gatti: I thought Arturo looked pretty decent against Dorin last time out but if you say he struggled well ok then, looked pretty ok against G. Branco who may be an ok fighter time will tell, what about Mickey Ward I think imo that Mickey Ward alone is tougher than all of Harris' opponents put together, Oh yea I almost forgot Gatti was ok I guess in his brutalizing of Joey Gamache ( i know he weighed a ****load more but the fight was at 140 so I'd say that ko'ing an opponent w/ 55 wins against 3 defeats in 2 rds. and putting him in the hospital for a week and into retirement as well could be considered a decent showing! True he may have lost a few times when he tried to take on more than he should have but losing to DeLaHoya, Ward 1 out of 3, and Robinson twice, is nothing to be ashamed of. Manfredey was a bad cut stoppage back when Gatti would cut from a faint so no harm there!!!!!

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Your Play!lol

What's your real name DLT? Panchito Bojado?Vivian Harris?

OK so you wanted it well you got it here is wht I'm sayin

Cotto: has wins over 1)N`Dou (who has proven to be a tuff ****er I actually thought he deserved the nod against Mitchell), 2)V. Sosa (who went 12 w/ PBF, 12 w/ Spaddy even dropping Spaddy twice, he lasted only 4 w/ Cotto, 3)Bazan had been in the ring w/ the likes of Castillo, and went 1-1 against Stevie Johnston, 4) Justin Juuko lasted 10 rds. w/ Chico lasted 5 w/ Cotto, lasted 9 rds. w/ PBF lasted 5 w/ Cotto And that's not even counting Pinto, Randall Bailey, Rockey Martinez, John Brown, Demetrious Ceballos all of this in a total of 22 fights!!!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!

Gatti: I thought Arturo looked pretty decent against Dorin last time out but if you say he struggled well ok then, looked pretty ok against G. Branco who may be an ok fighter time will tell, what about Mickey Ward I think imo that Mickey Ward alone is tougher than all of Harris' opponents put together, Oh yea I almost forgot Gatti was ok I guess in his brutalizing of Joey Gamache ( i know he weighed a ****load more but the fight was at 140 so I'd say that ko'ing an opponent w/ 55 wins against 3 defeats in 2 rds. and putting him in the hospital for a week and into retirement as well could be considered a decent showing! True he may have lost a few times when he tried to take on more than he should have but losing to DeLaHoya, Ward 1 out of 3, and Robinson twice, is nothing to be ashamed of. Manfredey was a bad cut stoppage back when Gatti would cut from a faint so no harm there!!!!!

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Your Play!lol


DLT ... are you still alive ... you've been cyber-sodomized w/ that one homes.

DLT ... are you still alive ... you've been cyber-sodomized w/ that one homes.
I left. I never log off thats why it said that I was still online. I love to debate

What's your real name DLT? Panchito Bojado?Vivian Harris?
I dont really get it

OK so you wanted it well you got it here is wht I'm sayin

Cotto: has wins over 1)N`Dou (who has proven to be a tuff ****er I actually thought he deserved the nod against Mitchell), 2)V. Sosa (who went 12 w/ PBF, 12 w/ Spaddy even dropping Spaddy twice, he lasted only 4 w/ Cotto, 3)Bazan had been in the ring w/ the likes of Castillo, and went 1-1 against Stevie Johnston, 4) Justin Juuko lasted 10 rds. w/ Chico lasted 5 w/ Cotto, lasted 9 rds. w/ PBF lasted 5 w/ Cotto And that's not even counting Pinto, Randall Bailey, Rockey Martinez, John Brown, Demetrious Ceballos all of this in a total of 22 fights!!!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!

Gatti: I thought Arturo looked pretty decent against Dorin last time out but if you say he struggled well ok then, looked pretty ok against G. Branco who may be an ok fighter time will tell, what about Mickey Ward I think imo that Mickey Ward alone is tougher than all of Harris' opponents put together, Oh yea I almost forgot Gatti was ok I guess in his brutalizing of Joey Gamache ( i know he weighed a ****load more but the fight was at 140 so I'd say that ko'ing an opponent w/ 55 wins against 3 defeats in 2 rds. and putting him in the hospital for a week and into retirement as well could be considered a decent showing! True he may have lost a few times when he tried to take on more than he should have but losing to DeLaHoya, Ward 1 out of 3, and Robinson twice, is nothing to be ashamed of. Manfredey was a bad cut stoppage back when Gatti would cut from a faint so no harm there!!!!!

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Your Play!lol
Stop talking ****y because you the only one who thinks that Cotto has a better resume then Harris, thats why they call him a prospect. N'Dou is a journeyman with a bunch of losses and he almost beat Cotto. Sosa and Jukko were lightweights and Cotto is a huge junior welterweight. That wasnt impressive to anyone. Thats why everyone told him to fight a real 140 pounder. Bazan is a hundred years old. All the other guys you named at the bottom were all lightweights. Pinto was a never was who last 3 fights were against guys with more losses then wins and most of his opponents only had lik 5 fights. Baily has been washed up for atleast 2 years and everyone knows it.

Gatti struggled tremendously with a C level Branco. He didnt do ok. Infact I thought he lost. Ward is a journeyman with a hundred losses and the guy had to have a trilogy with him. You already said that he was a **** load bigger then Gamache but obviously you don think that matters and he was old. He got KO by Oscar in 5 rounds. He lost to average fighters. You dont think losing to Ward and Robinson is nothing to be a shame of? Gimme a break. Manfready was kicking his ass.

Stop talking **** like you made good points because you didnt.

damn, chill with the Gatti hate... We all know Arturo ain't the best pfp fighter in the world, but he's still the man

Just for the record, Ivan Robinson was slick, and just cause he had some losses toward the end of his career doesn't mean Gatti should be ashamed of losing to him.

Gatti always has a punchers chance in any fight but PBF and Cotto will make him look like a punching bag.

I dont really get it


I think he said it because you come on the Cotto threads talkin all sorts of ying yang about him as if you were one of his rival fighters at 140. Cotto's not a prospect anymore and N'Dou didn't "almost beat him".

I'd like to see Cotto fight someone other than Corley but Chop is definitely a tough fighter. If they do fight, hopefully Cotto wins in more impressive fashion than PBF...if that's possible.

I would like to see Cotto fight Harris and then go on to Gatti and eventually Zoo and PBF.

I think he said it because you come on the Cotto threads talkin all sorts of ying yang about him as if you were one of his rival fighters at 140. Cotto's not a prospect anymore and N'Dou didn't "almost beat him".
I know what he meant I just said that because I dont get why he thinks of me that way espically after Ive already explained my points to him. You must havent heard me enough because if you did then you would know that I am a huge Cotto fan. Im just not on his nuts like others. Just because I put Harris ahead of him that isnt a bad thing. I do think N'Dou almost beat him and might really did. Cotto is still a prospect. He hasnt won any kind of big fight to say that he is something more. If he gets past Corley then he wont be but until then he is. If he lost to Corley then what would you say? You would say that he was a prospect that didnt work out. If Corley beat Floyd then you would say that Corley beat a great fighter. Thats the difference

damn, chill with the Gatti hate... We all know Arturo ain't the best pfp fighter in the world, but he's still the man

Just for the record, Ivan Robinson was slick, and just cause he had some losses toward the end of his career doesn't mean Gatti should be ashamed of losing to him.
Im not hatin on Gatti. I love to watch him. I was just explaining my point on why I dont have him ranked higher.

Stop talking ****y because you the only one who thinks that Cotto has a better resume then Harris, thats why they call him a prospect. N'Dou is a journeyman with a bunch of losses and he almost beat Cotto. Sosa and Jukko were lightweights and Cotto is a huge junior welterweight. That wasnt impressive to anyone. Thats why everyone told him to fight a real 140 pounder. Bazan is a hundred years old. All the other guys you named at the bottom were all lightweights. Pinto was a never was who last 3 fights were against guys with more losses then wins and most of his opponents only had lik 5 fights. Baily has been washed up for atleast 2 years and everyone knows it.

Gatti struggled tremendously with a C level Branco. He didnt do ok. Infact I thought he lost. Ward is a journeyman with a hundred losses and the guy had to have a trilogy with him. You already said that he was a **** load bigger then Gamache but obviously you don think that matters and he was old. He got KO by Oscar in 5 rounds. He lost to average fighters. You dont think losing to Ward and Robinson is nothing to be a shame of? Gimme a break. Manfready was kicking his ass.

Stop talking **** like you made good points because you didnt.


Obviously you are a little bit upset at being proven wrong it's ok I understand you are not used to being checked like this so once more for the part of you that is really stubborn and dead ****in wrong (just can't admit it, it's ok just take some deep breathes and listen close.)

True Sosa and Juuko are natural lt. weights, BUT Sosa had some decent pop at the weight and like I said before Sosa has alot of experience out of 45 fights only 4 defeats 3 of which are to Cotto, PBF, Spaddy. So your kinda reaching a bit. Oh and just between you, me and the firewalls Bazan is just now 31 yrs. old dip**** he was 29 yrs. old when Cotto beat him! Not quite 100 is it? If you want it in terms that are easier to understand you know D. Hurtado you guy Harris' only legit win over decent comp.(excluding Urkal as I don't quite know if Urkal is decent or if he just fought the fight of his life against Tszyu)anyway Hurtado is 2yrs the senior(that means older) of Bazan!

Now as for you saying that Bailey isn't a good win careful cause Huratdo's career was made on beating Bailey.
And furthermore lets take a look at Cotto's career so far and compare it to Harris',
Cotto fought J. Juuko ( i really don't give a **** if you accept it or not he's a good fighter and an impressive win on a resume` in only his 10th ****in pro fight! Who did Harris take on in his 10th? A fighter by the name of Eldon Sneed who was 10-9-1!WOW!
Cotto then beats John Brown(very experienced) in fight # 12, Wins the WBC international title in only his 14th pro fight beating a 29 YEAR OLD C. Bazan, Fights 14-18 are only Perez 34-5-2, Martinez 38-8-1, Ceballos 26-4, Maussa 16-0, Then moves on to face Sosa, N`Dou, and Bailey!
Now compare that to Harris who after the big win over Sneed follwed that up with a win over Big Bad Jerry Smith who had compiled an impressive record of 13-34, let me guess he got robbed in alot of those right? Harris' next milestone victory was in his 15th bout against highly underrated Isander Lacen(who?) a tuff and scrappy 12-10-4 fighter! LOL! Then Harris finally stepped it up at #17 and beat Ray Oliviera, then Ivan Robinson, G. Johnson, M. Clark, and finally Hurtado!
Now if you still think that Harris' resume` is far superior to Cotto's then you are either A. V. Harris' mother(quite possible as only a mum could love like that), or B. someone that got his feelings hurt at some point in time by a Puerto Rican, or C. just completely ****in batty!
As far as your Gatti statements it's obvious your a hater, and that's quite alright but you kinda look silly when you try to make a valid point by saying Gatti struggled tremendously w/ Branco, then follow it up by pointing out that he got Ko'ed in 5 by DLH, Gee wonder why,seeing as how Gatti's always had a hard time matching up with slick boxers so it's not hard to see how that was gonna go from the start. But wait it doesn't count cause Gatti was not a true Welterweight(like Sosa and Juuko)! WHOOPS!
And finally I'm just gonna pretend that you didn't really try to disrespect Mickey Ward, cause that guy has more heart in his pinky than 90% of the rest of us walking around this planet. Yea Ward has some losses but one thing is for goddamn sure, he made everybody that defeated him earn every ****in bit of it, and I am sure they all left with a ton of respect for him cause he would fight anybody tooth and nail! So there you go, yes I may get ****y sometimes but I can at least say for certain that my opinion on this matter is not clouded by hatred or huggery cause honestly I'm a Tszyu fan tride and true.

Que viva Cotto!

Obviously you are a little bit upset at being proven wrong it's ok I understand you are not used to being checked like this so once more for the part of you that is really stubborn and dead ****in wrong (just can't admit it, it's ok just take some deep breathes and listen close.)

True Sosa and Juuko are natural lt. weights, BUT Sosa had some decent pop at the weight and like I said before Sosa has alot of experience out of 45 fights only 4 defeats 3 of which are to Cotto, PBF, Spaddy. So your kinda reaching a bit. Oh and just between you, me and the firewalls Bazan is just now 31 yrs. old dip**** he was 29 yrs. old when Cotto beat him! Not quite 100 is it? If you want it in terms that are easier to understand you know D. Hurtado you guy Harris' only legit win over decent comp.(excluding Urkal as I don't quite know if Urkal is decent or if he just fought the fight of his life against Tszyu)anyway Hurtado is 2yrs the senior(that means older) of Bazan!

Now as for you saying that Bailey isn't a good win careful cause Huratdo's career was made on beating Bailey.
And furthermore lets take a look at Cotto's career so far and compare it to Harris',
Cotto fought J. Juuko ( i really don't give a **** if you accept it or not he's a good fighter and an impressive win on a resume` in only his 10th ****in pro fight! Who did Harris take on in his 10th? A fighter by the name of Eldon Sneed who was 10-9-1!WOW!
Cotto then beats John Brown(very experienced) in fight # 12, Wins the WBC international title in only his 14th pro fight beating a 29 YEAR OLD C. Bazan, Fights 14-18 are only Perez 34-5-2, Martinez 38-8-1, Ceballos 26-4, Maussa 16-0, Then moves on to face Sosa, N`Dou, and Bailey!
Now compare that to Harris who after the big win over Sneed follwed that up with a win over Big Bad Jerry Smith who had compiled an impressive record of 13-34, let me guess he got robbed in alot of those right? Harris' next milestone victory was in his 15th bout against highly underrated Isander Lacen(who?) a tuff and scrappy 12-10-4 fighter! LOL! Then Harris finally stepped it up at #17 and beat Ray Oliviera, then Ivan Robinson, G. Johnson, M. Clark, and finally Hurtado!
Now if you still think that Harris' resume` is far superior to Cotto's then you are either A. V. Harris' mother(quite possible as only a mum could love like that), or B. someone that got his feelings hurt at some point in time by a Puerto Rican, or C. just completely ****in batty!
As far as your Gatti statements it's obvious your a hater, and that's quite alright but you kinda look silly when you try to make a valid point by saying Gatti struggled tremendously w/ Branco, then follow it up by pointing out that he got Ko'ed in 5 by DLH, Gee wonder why,seeing as how Gatti's always had a hard time matching up with slick boxers so it's not hard to see how that was gonna go from the start. But wait it doesn't count cause Gatti was not a true Welterweight(like Sosa and Juuko)! WHOOPS!
And finally I'm just gonna pretend that you didn't really try to disrespect Mickey Ward, cause that guy has more heart in his pinky than 90% of the rest of us walking around this planet. Yea Ward has some losses but one thing is for goddamn sure, he made everybody that defeated him earn every ****in bit of it, and I am sure they all left with a ton of respect for him cause he would fight anybody tooth and nail! So there you go, yes I may get ****y sometimes but I can at least say for certain that my opinion on this matter is not clouded by hatred or huggery cause honestly I'm a Tszyu fan tride and true.
I didnt read half your **** because you didnt paragraph it off good and it is filled with bull**** fighter names in it but I did graze threw it and will try to respond as best as I can. You cant keep saying that it is true that a guy is bigger but it doesnt matter because it does. If you fight at 140 and probally should be at 147 then why fight guys who are lightweights. These arent legit wins so stop trying to act like they are. You could tell that Sosa had the skills to hang with Cotto but was just way too small. Bazan turned pro when he was real young and has had alot of fights and has been washed up for a long time. You probally give Zoo credit for beating Chaves. I get the impression when I read your post that you cant seperate the name of a fighter from his age, or different weight class, or his prime. Just because a guy has a name doesnt mean it's a good win. For ex.Sosa,Jukko-lightweights/ Baily,Bazan-washed up

As for Gatti I just brought up the DeLahoya knock out because you named him. I dont discredit him for that although he still shouldnt have been knocked out and you sound dumb trying to play like you caught me with the DeLahoya weight thing when your really catching yourself. My point all along was weight matters. Ward is a journeyman whether you like it or not. Were not talking about how much heart he has were talking about how good these guys are and having a trilogy with Ward is nothing to brag about.

I dont know why you think I love Harris because I dont. I just said that he should be ranked higher and has the better resume and everyone has already agreed to this except for you. Im a Mayweather fan but I like alot of guys including Cotto and Gatti.

Dude are you for real? Could you maybe show me exactly where EVERYBODY already agreed with you about this, cause I don't see anybody but you sayin this ****!
BTW, I'm still waiting for you to point out these legit wins that are of higher quality that you keep talkin about, and saying that you didn't even bother to read my whole post cause of improper paragraphing is pretty funny coming from someone who keeps spelling the word FOUGHT as faught.

Like I said show me your proof to support your statements or start at least saying that this is YOUR opinion, as opposed to saying over and over that everybody feels the same as you and that I'm the only one who thinks Cotto's got the better resume`.

Dude are you for real? Could you maybe show me exactly where EVERYBODY already agreed with you about this, cause I don't see anybody but you sayin this ****!
BTW, I'm still waiting for you to point out these legit wins that are of higher quality that you keep talkin about, and saying that you didn't even bother to read my whole post cause of improper paragraphing is pretty funny coming from someone who keeps spelling the word FOUGHT as faught.

Like I said show me your proof to support your statements or start at least saying that this is YOUR opinion, as opposed to saying over and over that everybody feels the same as you and that I'm the only one who thinks Cotto's got the better resume`.
I wasnt making fun of your writing, I was just saying the **** is hard to read if you dont space it out. People on here used to tell me that also.

Even the hard core Cotto fans say that he hasnt really fought a big name yet. No guy he has fought was ranked in the top 10 while M'baye,Urkal, and Hurtado are all in the top 10

You got me mistaken. I like Cotto and Gatti but everyone knows that Gatti has avoided the top comp since he's been at 140 and everyone knows that Cotto still hasnt faced a top 10 guy except maybe for N'Dou. Thats all Im saying. I have also been on here questioning people who think that Harris is great. I have said that he hasnt beaten any elite fighter but I think he has done more then Cotto and Gatti at this weight.

I wasnt making fun of your writing, I was just saying the **** is hard to read if you dont space it out. People on here used to tell me that also.

Even the hard core Cotto fans say that he hasnt really fought a big name yet. No guy he has fought was ranked in the top 10 while M'baye,Urkal, and Hurtado are all in the top 10

You got me mistaken. I like Cotto and Gatti but everyone knows that Gatti has avoided the top comp since he's been at 140 and everyone knows that Cotto still hasnt faced a top 10 guy except maybe for N'Dou. Thats all Im saying. I have also been on here questioning people who think that Harris is great. I have said that he hasnt beaten any elite fighter but I think he has done more then Cotto and Gatti at this weight.

Cotto has not fought a premier name yet. However, his resume through this point in his career has been better than many others. I hate when people call Pinto a never was. Just because he lost to the better fighter doesn't mean he wasn't/isn't still, 1. skilled, and 2. dangerous. Bojado lost to Leija but he is still a skilled fighter who can have success later on in his career just like Pinto. David Reid was highly skilled and had a somewhat promising future if not for Tito and his eye.

N'Dou would give Tszyu, Mayweather, Harris and the rest of the 140 lot hell. He's incredibly durable and fights at a fierce pace. I believe that he is the guy that put Cotto past being a prospect and now made him a contender. In Cotto's last three fights he's fought the young, rangy, puncher/boxer in Pinto...the tough as nails, boxer/brawler in N'Dou...and the big puncher (albeit somewhat washed up big puncher) in Bailey. In my eyes, he's is no longer a prospect. Even if Corley somehow managed to beat him (it'll never happen), I'd still back Cotto 100% to beat any guy at 140. You CANNOT dismiss a young fighter just because they lose 20 some odd fights into their career.

Cotto has not fought a premier name yet. However, his resume through this point in his career has been better than many others. I hate when people call Pinto a never was. Just because he lost to the better fighter doesn't mean he wasn't/isn't still, 1. skilled, and 2. dangerous. Bojado lost to Leija but he is still a skilled fighter who can have success later on in his career just like Pinto. David Reid was highly skilled and had a somewhat promising future if not for Tito and his eye.

N'Dou would give Tszyu, Mayweather, Harris and the rest of the 140 lot hell. He's incredibly durable and fights at a fierce pace. I believe that he is the guy that put Cotto past being a prospect and now made him a contender. In Cotto's last three fights he's fought the young, rangy, puncher/boxer in Pinto...the tough as nails, boxer/brawler in N'Dou...and the big puncher (albeit somewhat washed up big puncher) in Bailey. In my eyes, he's is no longer a prospect. Even if Corley somehow managed to beat him (it'll never happen), I'd still back Cotto 100% to beat any guy at 140. You CANNOT dismiss a young fighter just because they lose 20 some odd fights into their career.
Do you know anything about boxing? Go look at the opponents and the record of the people Pinto fought. Go look at N'Dou's opponents and his record.

How could you say something so dumb like if he loses to Corley you still think that he can beat anyone at 140. That shows that you are clearly a Cotto nuthugger and you have no credability in these debates

Still not truely convinced with Cotto. His tough but definately beatable. KT would almost certainly stop the little upstart.

Do you know anything about boxing? Go look at the opponents and the record of the people Pinto fought. Go look at N'Dou's opponents and his record.

How could you say something so dumb like if he loses to Corley you still think that he can beat anyone at 140. That shows that you are clearly a Cotto nuthugger and you have no credability in these debates


Here let me re-adjust what I said before. Cotto will NOT lose to Corley. I think theres no way of it possibly happening. However, if somehow Corley hit him with some monsterous unseen left hook that knocked him down and then eventually got him out of there...I wouldn't dismiss him as still being a threat at 140. Although I do not believe it will ever happen, I wouldn't write him off if it did. You seem to have another agenda about fighters that lose still being a threat.

Do you base EVERYTHING on record? You cannot see past N'Dou's record (which actually isn't that bad) and admit that he's a tough opponent? What factors can one use to judge a fighter with early in their career besides talent and how he has performed against his opponents? Remember, many people were picking Pinto to beat Cotto because of what happened in the amateurs.

Anyway, call me whatever you like, but just seeing your redundant arguments AGAINST a fighter you claim to like confuses me. I have never seen you acknowledge anything he does well...it's always just, "everyone who thinks Cotto could beat Tszyu or my boy Mayweather is a nuthugger and knows nothing about boxing...anyone who thinks Cotto has beaten good opposition this far through 23 fights is wrong." You seem to be quite alone in your debates about Cotto. I have never said that Cotto is the greatest in the world or that he is unbeatable or any of that. I have only said that based on what I have seen of him, he certainly has a great shot at having a great career and beating the top guys at 140 on up in the near future.

Cotto's team announced that the fight will be in PR...

Here let me re-adjust what I said before. Cotto will NOT lose to Corley. I think theres no way of it possibly happening. However, if somehow Corley hit him with some monsterous unseen left hook that knocked him down and then eventually got him out of there...I wouldn't dismiss him as still being a threat at 140. Although I do not believe it will ever happen, I wouldn't write him off if it did. You seem to have another agenda about fighters that lose still being a threat.

Do you base EVERYTHING on record? You cannot see past N'Dou's record (which actually isn't that bad) and admit that he's a tough opponent? What factors can one use to judge a fighter with early in their career besides talent and how he has performed against his opponents? Remember, many people were picking Pinto to beat Cotto because of what happened in the amateurs.

Anyway, call me whatever you like, but just seeing your redundant arguments AGAINST a fighter you claim to like confuses me. I have never seen you acknowledge anything he does well...it's always just, "everyone who thinks Cotto could beat Tszyu or my boy Mayweather is a nuthugger and knows nothing about boxing...anyone who thinks Cotto has beaten good opposition this far through 23 fights is wrong." You seem to be quite alone in your debates about Cotto. I have never said that Cotto is the greatest in the world or that he is unbeatable or any of that. I have only said that based on what I have seen of him, he certainly has a great shot at having a great career and beating the top guys at 140 on up in the near future.
This is because you have only read my recent post. You have to look at the context of the conversation. Thats what makes me different then others, because Im so real. What I mean by this is, the context of what we have been talking about is his opposition and where he should currently be ranked. I too think Cotto is a great young fighter and can be something special. Here's something I bet you didnt know- I also right now would pick Cotto to beat everyone in the division besides Floyd and Zoo and 50/50 with Harris. Shocking isnt it. My point is he hasnt done enough yet to be ranked over Harris.

If you have read all my post then you would know that I have questioned this whole division. Everyone say's its the best and I also do but no one ever fights eachother. I think none of them have fought anyone who is a elite fighter. N'Dou, I used to always say that we dont know how good he is. Is he a good tough fighter like he looks or is he a guy who people are overating because he had a good showing against a disappointed overated Mitchell.

I dont discount fighters because of losses thats why Im one of the few who stick up for Chop but you said that if Cotto loss you would still think that he can beat everyone in the division. Now that is taking things way to far. Theres more I have to say but I dont even really feel like talking about this **** anymore

Cotto will make Ko Chop Chop in 7 or less mark my words.

DTL reminds me of a Trinidad hater :rolleyes:

Cotto will make Ko Chop Chop in 7 or less mark my words.
No way. Why is everybody so down on Chop. How many in the division wouldve beaten Judah and Mayweather. Chop is a beast that many are sleeping on. This will not be a easy fight for Cotto and could be an upset or should I say win because I wouldnt call it a upset

DTL reminds me of a Trinidad hater :rolleyes:
Your right. He's only one of my favorite fighters. What do you think I hate Puerto Ricans or something just because I say that Cotto hasnt beaten a great fighter yet. Man please

DTL reminds me of a Trinidad hater :rolleyes:

Nahh...DLT is a cool guy..actually a agree with him that Cotto shouldn't be rank above Zoo or Floyd, but if he beats (specially if he ktfo) Chop-Chop he should be rank above Floyd cuz Floyd has only fight one fight at 140...and I believe that a win over Bruseles doesn't mean ****...

btw I have never seen DLT talk **** bout Tito...

Your right. He's only one of my favorite fighters. What do you think I hate Puerto Ricans or something just because I say that Cotto hasnt beaten a great fighter yet. Man pleaseI said reminds, since your relentless, and seem on a misson to discerdit Cotto.

Nahh...DLT is a cool guy..actually a agree with him that Cotto shouldn't be rank above Zoo or Floyd, but if he beats (specially if he ktfo) Chop-Chop he should be rank above Floyd cuz Floyd has only fight one fight at 140...and I believe that a win over Bruseles doesn't mean ****...

btw I have never seen DLT talk **** bout Tito...
Thanks man, but I dont think a knock out should put him over Floyd. He dominated Corley in his first fight at the division and he is a undefeated #for# guy

Thanks man, but I dont think a knock out should put him over Floyd. He dominated Corley in his first fight at the division and he is a undefeated #for# guy

but thats his only fight at 140

I said reminds, since your relentless, and seem on a misson to discerdit Cotto.
Im not on a mission to discredit him but people act like he's already #for# just like Hatton fans act like he is. If he beats Corley then it will be different but until then he's just a good young prospect. There aint nothing wrong with that. Discrediting Tito, a guy with so many big wins is totaly different then saying a young guy still hasnt fought someone goodenough to be ranking him over everyone

but thats his only fight at 140
True but how many do you have to have. If he beat Zoo in his first fight it would be alright wouldnt it. I only take into account the other weight classes if you have shown well in them because you have to move on sooner or later

True but how many do you have to have. If he beat Zoo in his first fight it would be alright wouldnt it. I only take into account the other weight classes if you have shown well in them because you have to move on sooner or later

ya but one win over Chop-Chop versus beating N'Dou, Bailey and Pinto...If it was beating Zoo on his first fight at 140 of course...

thats cool i cant wait

ya but one win over Chop-Chop versus beating N'Dou, Bailey and Pinto...If it was beating Zoo on his first fight at 140 of course...
Well I slightly disagree but I can understad why you wont. I dont really care anyways and I dont think Floyd does either. I think he's just worried about getting the Gatti fight and the rest will take care of itself

I think Cotto is a very dangerous fighter and could this fight with chop chop could put him where he needs to be for a fight with Gatti or PBF by year end. His defense is very tight, he is a big puncher with wicked body attacks,and from what i have seen his chin will hold up against all comers.

I think Cotto cant be stopped right now.

I didnt read half your **** because you didnt paragraph it off good and it is filled with bull**** fighter names in it but I did graze threw it and will try to respond as best as I can. You cant keep saying that it is true that a guy is bigger but it doesnt matter because it does. If you fight at 140 and probally should be at 147 then why fight guys who are lightweights. These arent legit wins so stop trying to act like they are. You could tell that Sosa had the skills to hang with Cotto but was just way too small. Bazan turned pro when he was real young and has had alot of fights and has been washed up for a long time. You probally give Zoo credit for beating Chaves. I get the impression when I read your post that you cant seperate the name of a fighter from his age, or different weight class, or his prime. Just because a guy has a name doesnt mean it's a good win. For ex.Sosa,Jukko-lightweights/ Baily,Bazan-washed up

As for Gatti I just brought up the DeLahoya knock out because you named him. I dont discredit him for that although he still shouldnt have been knocked out and you sound dumb trying to play like you caught me with the DeLahoya weight thing when your really catching yourself. My point all along was weight matters. Ward is a journeyman whether you like it or not. Were not talking about how much heart he has were talking about how good these guys are and having a trilogy with Ward is nothing to brag about.

I dont know why you think I love Harris because I dont. I just said that he should be ranked higher and has the better resume and everyone has already agreed to this except for you. Im a Mayweather fan but I like alot of guys including Cotto and Gatti.
Here you go DLT just brought this one back for you to re-read especially your little statement about how fighting light weights at 140 when you should be at 147 :eek:


BULL**** HUH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here you go DLT just brought this one back for you to re-read especially your little statement about how fighting light weights at 140 when you should be at 147 :eek:


BULL**** HUH!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are misreading what I am saying. He should probally be at 147 because he looks like he is killing himself to make weight but if he can then he should but what I said is true. He probally should be at 147 and he was beating guys who were having there first fights at 140 just like Taylor was doing and getting criticized for. If you are already going to be to big for most of the guys at 140 then why would you fight lightweights. and what got me upset was that people were going crazy over those wins and saying stuff like he beat Sosa easier then Floyd did. Thats why I said it. I said he beat him easier because he is much bigger. There has been so many threads where people are saying that it isnt fair because a guy is too big and shouldnt be there and I always say that the rules are fair and if you can make the weight then you should. Cotto is the one that was saying he was having trouble making weight and if you are then you should move up. The reason why he wont is because he knows he wont look as dominant at 147 and thats real. All you guys sweat his punching and body shots but if he was at 147 then that **** wouldnt be effective. He's basically like Mayorga fighting at 140

cotto is awesome!trinidad is Awesome, cotto is great but IMO trinidad should change his name to TriniBAD :boxing: