Lets say your the trainer of the an opponent of Floyd Mayweather Jr., how do you tell your fighter to fight him? What do you think the keys to beating Floyd are?

Mayweather is surely one of the five most skilled fighters ever, right up there with Joe Gans, Benny Leonard and Willie Pep. Floyd is more skilled than Sugar Ray Robinson, I think Mayweather may have the most skillful defence ever.

How do you beat him? Castillo beat him. Ricky Hatton is bigger, stronger, fitter and faster than Castillo, and Hatton is the only guy in boxing today who can get close to the skill level of Mayweather.. and he just happens to be around the same weight. So go get Ricky Hatton, tell Ricky to pressure Mayweather but not make the mistakes that Castillo made (Castillo was punching to the arms and elbows which a pressure fighter should never do), and get Mayweather on the backfoot. If Mayweather fights on the ropes against Hatton he'll get battered, Ricky will tee off on him from angles switching right or left and head or body. So if Ricky can back him up, I think Ricky can beat him.

Zab Judah could beat Mayweather too because he's naturally bigger, stronger, and he's much faster than anything Mayweather has come up against.

But, I just think at super-featherweight and lightweight Mayweather cannot be out-boxed by anybody since the days of the Gans', Leonard's and Peps.

You have to do what Castillo and Chavez tried to do. Swarm him and throw ridiculous amounts of punches. Make your punches count more than Floyd's. You know Floyd is gonna counter so make sure you go in there knowing you gotta take some to land some. Throw your jab when he does so he doesn't establish a rhythm. There is NOTHING easy about this gameplan, which is why no one has pulled it off enough to get the win. I scored the first fight with Castillo a draw and had Chavez almost even with Mayweather at the time of the stoppage so it is possible to do it.

I think Kassim Ouma at 154 has the best chance of anyone within realistic weight differentials to beat Mayweather.

Or you could do like Judah will and surprise Mayweather with your speed, before landing a killer shot. Floyd's never taken a truly good shot the likes of which Judah can hit him with.

mitchell had some good speed to him maybe the same amount that zab is bringing. i also dont think that hatton is stronger than castillo. i think castillo would beat hatton no problem. the person i would like to see go againts mayweather is margarito but i see PBF winning that 2. what would i say to my fighter thats going againts PBF is come back in good healt

You have to do what Castillo and Chavez tried to do. Swarm him and throw ridiculous amounts of punches. Make your punches count more than Floyd's. You know Floyd is gonna counter so make sure you go in there knowing you gotta take some to land some. Throw your jab when he does so he doesn't establish a rhythm. There is NOTHING easy about this gameplan, which is why no one has pulled it off enough to get the win. I scored the first fight with Castillo a draw and had Chavez almost even with Mayweather at the time of the stoppage so it is possible to do it.

I think Kassim Ouma at 154 has the best chance of anyone within realistic weight differentials to beat Mayweather.

kassim ouma would be a good challenge if he had a great chin like castillo or morales

Lets say your the trainer of the an opponent of Floyd Mayweather Jr., how do you tell your fighter to fight him? What do you think the keys to beating Floyd are?
Immitate Ricky Hatton, I am sure that Hatton can overwhelm PBF with punches and pressure. Victoriano Sosa said that the only way to beat Mayweather was to give him lots of pressure and throw lots of punches.

Look at the Castillo/Mayweather fight, Castillo won that fight(according to the public and the ringside announcers).

If someone can do what Castillo did the first fight, then they will beat pretty boy.

You have to do what Castillo and Chavez tried to do. Swarm him and throw ridiculous amounts of punches.

I agree. You have to try to make it a war.

no juy juy may is not as good as robinson no no he is not ....for the most part what has been said i agree with or a tyson type of attack just come at him with all you have non stop ..catch him on the ropes go to the body hard and then fake a right and come around with a hard left to the chin ...the jab is point lesss because he will beat you to it 9 out of 10 times ...your not going to get in his head untill you can hold him down and take a few rounds {jones vs johnson} {ali vs frazier} for the most part you need to make it an all out brawl from round 1 to 12 which is something may has never had to deal with

(JLC)Pressure/Power/Chin and fair judging......

(JLC)Pressure/Power/Chin and fair judging......

Shut up. Castillo lost 5 of the first 6 rounds of that fight. Don't tell me he won every other round. :rolleyes:

Lets face it who is going to box Mayweather here??

Nobody. Thats a concensus that Mayweather needs to be tempted in to his shots rather than sitting back and countering, and then maybe countering PBF, or he needs a war. Either would work in my opinion.....

For one thing, one more lead right hands unfortunately few fighters today throw such an effective punch.

JLC did the right things and beat him but he was a little left hook happy, i feel had he have thrown more lead rights the fight would have further shifted in his favor.

People really overrated Floyd..

Shut up. Castillo lost 5 of the first 6 rounds of that fight. Don't tell me he won every other round. :rolleyes:
****you *****, your in the minority as usual.

Castillo lost both times to Mayweather. It was just we'd never seen Mayweather anything less than absolute perfection before. Mayweather's closest fights? Sure, I'll give you that, but Mayweather did clearly beat Castillo both times. Regardless, that isn't the point to this topic.

To beat Mayweather, since he blocks a lot, I'd probably tell my fighter to use a lot of feints. Judah has very good hand and foot speed, so I would utilize those. I wouldn't even worry about trying to land powerful KO punches on Mayweather unless the fighter had him hurt. Since Judah is naturally bigger, I would probably have him try roughhousing with Mayweather some to open him up for some good shots. Maybe try to cause an "accidental" headbutt since Judah is southpaw. "Accidental" headbutt worked wonders for Forrest against Mosley (hell it is the single thing that basically derailed Mosley, led to 4 losses for Mosley, imo).

Shut up. Castillo lost 5 of the first 6 rounds of that fight. Don't tell me he won every other round. :rolleyes:

Shut the **** up ******, you're pretty dumb for a person that says he wants to be a "doctor."

Keep dreamin, ******....

Lets say your the trainer of the an opponent of Floyd Mayweather Jr., how do you tell your fighter to fight him? What do you think the keys to beating Floyd are?
Easy. Just have him arrested a few days before the fight. Should be pretty easy given his fondness for jail. With his rap sheet he'd probably have to miss the fight and serve some time.

People really overrated Floyd..

Is there a better current fighter that is active? If the answer is no, then he can't be overrated in present contexts.

Is there a better current fighter that is active? If the answer is no, then he can't be overrated in present contexts.
I never said he's not the best today, but some people talk about this guy like he's impossible to beat...

I never said he's not the best today, but some people talk about this guy like he's impossible to beat...

no one is impossible to beat but when Floyd brings his A game he you have to have a near perfect fight to beat him.

How do you beat Floyd? As stated earlier ask castillo that. In the first fight Castillo beat Floyd no question although the judges as usual don't see it that way. One method of beating him is constant pressure and never letting up. Jesus chavez was not doing bad using this style either its just that he was too small (he looked like a child in their with mayweather) and secondly he had just gotten out of prison too much ring rust.

2. The second method is the southpaw method. Aka Chop-chop corley. Chop chop has always been a B level fighter yet he made it so that mayweather didnt look so hot and even landed some great shots which mayweather didnt take so well. Secondly against Sharmba the joke drunken fist fighter Mayweather obviously was frustrated and irritated hence showing that he doesnt have the easiest of times with southpaws. Combine that with a talented southpaw (Judah) and the stage is set. now if judah just listens to his dad and stops being one punch hook crazy and goes back to boxing like before then the stage is set for a possible Mayweather loss.

3. Roberto Duran Sugar Ray Leonard part 1. You have to take Gayweather into a style that he doesnt enjoy. You have to turn it into a streetfight using all the dirty but not catchable tactics you can get away with. Push him into the ringpost and rough him up use Ricky Hatton and other dirty fighter Headbutt techniques. And do sneaky side attacks to the thighs and lower legs on the side the ref isnt looking at. turn it into a fight that he doesnt want to be in one where he is frustrated and cannot wait for the fight to end. You also have to use other tactics (such as the tactics duran used) you have to get into Floyds head. I know you all remember when Duran told Leonard that his wife was a cheap whore. Mayweather is very bragadocious and public shots to his ego using low blows could throw him off of his game and make it so that he wants to get you so badly that he makes mistakes. you gotta beat him in every way possible. (mind games and warfare included) he has to already be partially beat before entering the ring.

well, i know for a fact its going to be impossible for Zab super glass jaw to beat him

For one thing, one more lead right hands unfortunately few fighters today throw such an effective punch.

JLC did the right things and beat him but he was a little left hook happy, i feel had he have thrown more lead rights the fight would have further shifted in his favor.For the millionth time Ugly Boy Floyd won the 1st match being handicapped and all. You wanna know why you hardly saw those lead rights, it's because he injured his hand. Why do you think he won the 2nd fight so easily? 'Cause he was in full gear! FYI it had nothing to do w/ not using a lead right, he just couldn't do anything with his right-hand period.

the best was to beat floyd is to give him like 20 low blows to slow him down.....im serious lol


nah floyd right now is unstopable IMO but judah has a chance lets hope he brings his A game on april this is going to be a good fight tho

I think Hatton, Judah, and Margarito are the only fighters whose styles can throw him off.

But asking a question like "what will you tell your fighter to do against PBF?"

What are "my fighters" strentghs and weaknesses?

If I've got a guy like Zab, I'm not sending him into a brawl!
He's got the speed to to match floyd well, and floyd isn't naturally as big, nor is he a power puncher. A guy like zab should try and box him, ang go for the KO at the right time. You can tell pretty boy doesn't like to get hit.

If I've got a guy like Hatton, good chin, good workrate, and hard punches, let's do it Gatti ****ing Ward style.

It depends on who's in your corner.

I personally think Margarito would give him the best run.

well it's nice to see that we can agree and talk without the insults for once :D

Lets say your the trainer of the an opponent of Floyd Mayweather Jr., how do you tell your fighter to fight him? What do you think the keys to beating Floyd are?First off what kind of fighter are you giving me? He has to either be as fast or close to being as quick as Floyd, anything less we might as well go home and not fight, I don't care how good the gameplan is. Now if I'm given a fighter that has the physical tools to match-up w/ Floyd. All he has to have is the heart to win, and throw combinations, nothin' special, no gimmickery. Just mix it up to the body and head. Oh and one more thing I gotta have a guy that can jab like no other.

First off what kind of fighter are you giving me? He has to either be as fast or close to being as quick as Floyd, anything less we might as well go home and not fight, I don't care how good the gameplan is. Now if I'm given a fighter that has the physical tools to match-up w/ Floyd. All he has to have is the heart to win, and throw combinations, nothin' special, no gimmickery. Just mix it up to the body and head. Oh and one more thing I gotta have a guy that can jab like no other.

I will give you Zab Judah. :D

I will give you Zab Judah. :DI said give me a fighter not a b*tch!

I said give me a fighter not a b*tch!

LOL! Who do you like? :D Whats wrong with Zab?

I will give you Zab Judah. :D
Is everyone forgetting Kostya Tszyu.

Dont forget that just because he was beat by Hatton, who says that his style cant take Mayweather apart?

Just food for thought there....

That's what I was about to say (Tszyu), he's turned into a real darkhorse now.

If Tszyu can quit on his stool, I'd say odds of him having the heart to fight with mayweather is slim to nill.

That's what I was about to say (Tszyu), he's turned into a real darkhorse now.
Yeah, i know little on Tszyu but i have noticed him take a backseat after his loss.

Hell, look at the people Floyd is fighting at the moment...

I would put Kostya Tszyu above Sharmba Mitchell any day of the week. He has a rep for that right hand too, and if people are bringing Zab Judah into the equation, where is the love for Tszyu?

After all Tszyu whooped Zab.....

If Tszyu can quit on his stool, I'd say odds of him having the heart to fight with mayweather is slim to nill.
Read my next post...

LOL! Who do you like? :D Whats wrong with Zab?I'm just kidding around. I actually like Zab and now have changed my pick, favoring Zab...slightly. I think the southpaw stance will be a factor, Zab has had experience dealing w/ adversity in the ring in major fights and changed for the better. As always no matter what style , one has to work the jab to make everything else work. Man if Zab starts to pop w/ that jab that left hand straight down the pipe is gonna be partying come fight night.

Pressure will beat Floyd.

Frazier beat Ali with pressure. Dwight Braxton beat Matthew Saad Muhammad with pressure. Basilio beat Robinson with pressure. Pressure busts pipes.

You have to take Floyd out of his comfort zone. Rough him up. Hit him low here and there. Cuff him behind the head. Make him fight when he doesn't want to fight and don't let him ever get set.

It's simple really. That shoulder roll defence won't work against a fighter like Hatton who has a very strong right hand.

Zab is younger and willing to be more active than Tszyu, and isn't riddled with injuries. And while Kosta's win over Zab was rather humerous, to me it didn't prove much, except that Zab was an idiot for trying to get up too quickly.

nah dude, he got handled that whole fight. I wanna see hatton fight judah and mug him the whole fight

Zab is younger and willing to be more active than Tszyu, and isn't riddled with injuries. And while Kosta's win over Zab was rather humerous, to me it didn't prove much, except that Zab was an idiot for trying to get up too quickly.

Sit down young'n.

Sit down young'n.

A brilliant retort.

It's Zab's own fault He fought like a poor mans Pernell Whitaker and dropped his hands WHILE going STRAIGHT back. Watch the 2nd round champ, Tszyu is peppering Judah with jab's and finding his range.

Tszyu was notorious for losing 1st rounds in his career, so your argument holds no bearing. Thanks.

Sit down young'n.
"Get back mother****er you dont know me like that"

But Dirt E Gomez, Zab was knocked out cold. If Tszyu can do that to him that you have to give Tszyu a PUNCHERS CHANCE at least, against Pretty Girl?

It's Zab's own fault He fought like a poor mans Pernell Whitaker and dropped his hands WHILE going STRAIGHT back. Watch the 2nd round champ, Tszyu is peppering Judah with jab's and finding his range.

Tszyu was notorious for losing 1st rounds in his career, so your argument holds no bearing. Thanks.
MY argument holds strong ground, now could you please stop being a retard.

"Get back mother****er you dont know me like that"

But Dirt E Gomez, Zab was knocked out cold. If Tszyu can do that to him that you have to give Tszyu a PUNCHERS CHANCE at least, against Pretty Girl?

Oh please, that's ****ing ridiculous. "knocked out cold"? Hah, that's ****ing laughable. He tried to get up before he was set like a moron, fell over and immediately got back up again. Tszyu's power will always give him a puncher's chance, but I'm saying this fight has a 1/1000 chance of happening and about a 1/20 chance of actually winning.

So you're saying that Kosta threw a lucky punch?

Again, sit down exig3.

At Banter, you are not welcome so you decude to post here because you are surrounded by a bunch of mudslinging kids, who have the same ill-informed ideas like yourself.

dude, kostya controlled judah the whole fight

So you're saying that Kosta threw a lucky punch?

Kostya's punch wasn't lucky, obviously. Kostya was/is a great fighter (keep in mind this also happened years ago) and he caught Zab good. He was lucky that Zab was an over confident idiot.

basically what other people have said, fight him like castillo. you have to rough up floyd and swarm him like a bear mauling a unarmed hunter. i think backing him up into the ropes would help out a bit, but overall you have to apply relentless pressure and kill the body with all your might. the hard thing is, is that floyd is so damn skilled you have to have a granite chin and the endurance of a fighting tri-athlete.
floyd is going to crack who ever steps in fron't of him, he's going to hit real hard and real accurate, so it can be discouraging everytime you throw a punch, you get hit hard and fast.
i think alot of tying up to wrestling would keep floyd from gettin off any inside attack, and while having floyd occupied by rough housing, throw in some shot. i say hit on the break and hit on the hip. if he puts his guard up and is twisting and weaving side to side, hit him in the arms. barrel through with the head right into his chest and hit the kidneys. get floyd out of his game plan and his clam cool and collective mind set.
no one is going to out box mayweather, the only way is to make him fight every second of the fight and don't under estimate his speed, power, skills and smarts.
it's going to take a tough son of a ***** to beat floyd, hatton has the makings of someone who can, but i think that he might be a bit sloppy right now to really give floyd the right kind of war to get the win.
i think it is going to take someone bigger and rougher to be honest, a bigger castillo, someone like margarito. that dude is rough and tough. i think that he would have a better chance than hatton due to his size, they have a similar style as far as making it a fight instead of a boxing match, so i'm saying size is the deciding factor there.....

Kosta's punch wasn't lucky, obviously. Kosta was/is a great fighter (keep in mind this also happened years ago) and he caught Zab good. He was lucky that Zab was an over confident idiot.

Zab wasn't getting over-confident. In the ring, Judah gets lazy & unfocused & at some point or another he usually gets nailed & knocked on his ass. He's gotten away with his lapses in concentration because his opposition has been considerably less than stellar. Against Tszyu, he payed for it.

Just take another look at the fight. Judah wasn't getting overconfident by any means. He tried to back pedal, both hands dropped to his side and try to lunch his chin/upper body back avoiding the power shot. It failed miserably because no one will ever be able to duplicate Pernell's defence.

Again, sit down exig3.

At Banter, you are not welcome so you decude to post here because you are surrounded by a bunch of mudslinging kids, who have the same ill-informed ideas like yourself.
Shut the **** up dick eater.

Anyone was welcomed to Banter, and i was one of the first to receive an invite for over there from the dude who owns it.

****ing tool.

You may of got an invite but people don't take you seriously.

Oh please, that's ****ing ridiculous. "knocked out cold"? Hah, that's ****ing laughable. He tried to get up before he was set like a moron, fell over and immediately got back up again. Tszyu's power will always give him a puncher's chance, but I'm saying this fight has a 1/1000 chance of happening and about a 1/20 chance of actually winning.
Ok when i said knocked out cold, that wasnt meant literally, as he did get up like you said.

Let me put it this way, he didnt recover for the count and therefore got stopped.

But you did acknowledge that KT has a puncher's chance so.. yeah.

i honestly do not see anyone beating floyd right now a presure fighter is not going to do it ....castillo did very well in the 1ST. FIGHT but he did not get the decision...this gave mayweather the time to come up with a gameplan for that kind of style this is why he clearly won the 2nd. fight so fighters like castillo,hatton,margarito will not fare well against him the only adavantage they have is power and that is not enough to beat floyd he beats all those guys by ud.....a guy like zab can give pbf trouble because of his speed but pbf's speed will give him the same problems to zab..again pbf has to much boxing skills for zab...also maywetaher's defense will give any fighter trouble ..trying to land clean shots on him is a task all in its own ..

i think margarito has a good chance if anybody does. he'll outwork mayweather and has an iron chin. pretty boy avoids him like the plague by saying nobody 'knows' who margarito is when he's really just scared

You may of got an invite but people don't take you seriously.
Nice red bar.

People obviously dont take you seriously either...

Nice red bar.

People obviously dont take you seriously either...

Sorry, peewee. I didn't know a red bar defines a person.

TuPrincipe..

If people here are so "piss-knowledged" then why do you keep posting here? Just wondering...

Where are you DirtEGomez? Gave up already?

Just taking the piss, and winding people up.

Sorry, peewee. I didn't know a red bar defines a person.
Sorry, pillow biter, i didnt know you had any authority to tell me who takes me seriously and who doesnt...

put up ur arms (a la winky wright) and bull him to the ropes and work the body.

Where are you DirtEGomez? Gave up already?

From what? Your onslaugh of overwhelming boxing knowledge? :rolleyes:

Zab wasn't getting over-confident. In the ring, Judah gets lazy & unfocused & at some point or another he usually gets nailed & knocked on his ass. He's gotten away with his lapses in concentration because his opposition has been considerably less than stellar. Against Tszyu, he payed for it.

This very post is a contradiction of itself. He gets lazy and unfocused and usually gets knocked on his ass... but he gets away with it lots... which is it? I'd guess by the fact that he's been beaten twice to mean the latter. He drops his hands because he feels he can't be touched, especially after the way the first round went. He backed away with his hands down, not thinking as he should have been because he felt he had his **** on lockdown. Then again, neither of us can say for sure what he was exactly thinking, since neither of us are Zab himself.

How do you beat PBF?

You knock him out! Otherwise, he's gonna' hit you more than you hit him, so you lose by decision.

Good luck.

From what? Your onslaugh of overwhelming boxing knowledge? :rolleyes:



This very post is a contradiction of itself. He gets lazy and unfocused and usually gets knocked on his ass... but he gets away with it lots... which is it? I'd guess by the fact that he's been beaten twice to mean the latter. He drops his hands because he feels he can't be touched, especially after the way the first round went. He backed away with his hands down, not thinking as he should have been because he felt he had his **** on lockdown. Then again, neither of us can say for sure what he was exactly thinking, since neither of us are Zab himself.

Contradictory? How?

When Zab got knocked down by Millet and Bergman was that not getting lazy and unfocused? Did he end up winning the fight? Did he end up getting away with it?

Contradictory? How?

When Zab got knocked down by Millet and Bergman was that not getting lazy and unfocused? Did he end up winning the fight? Did he end up getting away with it?

It's a contradiction because you say he does it and gets knocked on his ass repeatedly, yet he gets lucky and gets away with it a lot. I can't be both.

The fights with Millet and Bergman were 1st round knockdowns of him thinking he's god's gift to boxing. He hops around, throws big shots and doesn't have defense because he's over confident in his abilities that he'll clean their clocks (which he ultimately did). And, he still might've been able to pull it off with Tszyu had he not been a moron. I would've loved to have watched that fight beyond 2 rounds.

It's a contradiction because you say he does it and gets knocked on his ass repeatedly, yet he gets lucky and gets away with it a lot. I can't be both.

The fights with Millet and Bergman were 1st round knockdowns of him thinking he's god's gift to boxing. He hops around, throws big shots and doesn't have defense because he's over confident in his abilities that he'll clean their clocks (which he ultimately did). And, he still might've been able to pull it off with Tszyu had he not been a moron. I would've loved to have watched that fight beyond 2 rounds.

I think it's safe to say your a muppet. How is it contradictory to say that Zab gets lazy and unfocused during fights, and he ultimately get's knocked down but ends up winning the fight due to his superior technical ability. I'm due for a good laugh.

Look at the fight tapes, my man. After the 1st round, Judah seemed to be taking a round off as He was backing off and getting peppered with Tszyu's rangy jab. He was not in any control from the beginning of the 2nd round and it was showing as Tszyu was beginning to find his range, which was inevitable anyways after about 4 rounds.

For the millionth time Ugly Boy Floyd won the 1st match being handicapped and all. You wanna know why you hardly saw those lead rights, it's because he injured his hand. Why do you think he won the 2nd fight so easily? 'Cause he was in full gear! FYI it had nothing to do w/ not using a lead right, he just couldn't do anything with his right-hand period.
PBF's second fight with Castillo was no walk in the park for Floyd. I had Mayweather winning, but not by much.

PBF's second fight with Castillo was no walk in the park for Floyd. I had Mayweather winning, but not by much.Never is when it's against the likes of a JLC, that's why you always have to be on your toes and that is why Mayweather won that fight comfortably.

Styles make fights while Tzsyu got the nod over zab due to Zabs overconfidence and stupidity, he might not do anything against mayweather. Mayweather first of all never slips up that badly and keeps a lock tight defense most of the time. He does not backpedal and jump backwards with his hands down and would be less subject to getting caught with one of Tszyus laserlike right hands. Look at Roberto Duran and Hearns and Hagler. Duran could do nothing with hearns and hearns couldnt do anything with hagler, yet Duran arguably fought Hagler to a draw so styles play into the game as well. What Tszyu did to zab might not work on Mayweather. Beyond that it was more what zab did to himself than what Tszyu set him up for. Remember in the first round of the fight Judah had Tszyu on queer street and Tszyu couldnt even remember his own name. In his youthful impetousness Judah charged and missed many shots on a Tszyu who was in big trouble. he didnt time his shots and threw a bunch of ****s hitting nothing. Had he been more level headed and calm in the ring he may have stopped Tzsyu in the first round. After having such a round he got overconfident and made some stupid mistakes that cost him the fight.

I'm going to put it this way. What happened the 2nd fight when He fought Castillo. He was forced to back up and counterpunch. He was lucky Castillo isn't technically as good as Hatton or He would of got mauled, and eventually lost a split decision.

I'm going to put it this way. What happened the 2nd fight when He fought Castillo. He was forced to back up and counterpunch. He was lucky Castillo isn't technically as good as Hatton or He would of got mauled, and eventually lost a split decision.


This is true Mayweather in the second fight did do a heck of a lot of running.

I think it's safe to say your a muppet. How is it contradictory to say that Zab gets lazy and unfocused during fights, and he ultimately get's knocked down but ends up winning the fight due to his superior technical ability. I'm due for a good laugh.

I'll conceed this point. I was reading too deeply into your post instead of taking it at surface value... but to say he gets that way often is still a stretch considering he's been knocked down only those 3 times in his career (4 if you count that he fell twice from Tszyu). Also, take into consideration that the Tszyu fight, as well as the other 2 were well over 4 years ago.

Speculation as to what would have happened if Zab would have gotten up is just that, speculation. I would've loved to see how the fight progressed but it didn't, so we'll never know.

Beyond that it was more what zab did to himself than what Tszyu set him up for. Remember in the first round of the fight Judah had Tszyu on queer street and Tszyu couldnt even remember his own name.

LMAO.....
:rolleyes:

I'll conceed this point. I was reading too deeply into your post instead of taking it at surface value... but to say he gets that way often is still a stretch considering he's been knocked down only those 3 times in his career (4 if you count that he fell twice from Tszyu). Also, take into consideration that the Tszyu fight, as well as the other 2 were well over 4 years ago.

Speculation as to what would have happened if Zab would have gotten up is just that, speculation. I would've loved to see how the fight progressed but it didn't, so we'll never know.

Fair play. I was just taking the piss anyways Gomez.

I don't mean to be a cunt but Tszyu has been knocked down by Bergman, Spinks, Millet, Tszyu, and Reggie Green (although it wasn't official). Judah fights in spurts, and I have watched MANY fights of him talking to his manager and/or his "thug rapper" posse. He is very undisciplined, and unfocused which ultimately led to his demise against Tszyu.

...... After having such a round he got overconfident and made some stupid mistakes that cost him the fight.
Judah's fatal flaw was backing-up straight. That put him at the very end of Zoo's reach.

If Judah had maintained some lateral movement, instead of sraight back, he might not ever have been hit flush by Zoo at any time during that night.

Judah's fatal flaw was backing-up straight. That put him at the very end of Zoo's reach.

If Judah had maintained some lateral movement, instead of sraight back, he might not ever have been hit flush by Zoo at any time during that night.

Read up, my friend!

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This is about the only way.

Lets say your the trainer of the an opponent of Floyd Mayweather Jr., how do you tell your fighter to fight him? What do you think the keys to beating Floyd are?

I would tell my fighter to fight pressure on him like castillo did in their first encounter. Keep your head moving and try to bait him into messing around. There isn't much you can say to a fighter when they face mayweather

especially glass jaw judah

I know one person who can definitely beat mayweather, and KTFO of him.

You ready for it?

Valuev =p

Seriously.. Push him into to the corner and smack your hands on his head in a downard motion - floyd will be trapped!

Valuev - Floyd KO in 3 Valuev.

What a task..damn..First you cant let up, You need to keep the jab in his face all day or at least try to keep it in his face, but you must have a jab and try to keep the lateral movement jabing and moving side to side..dont stay in front and wait for him to counter you. When he lays on the ropes like he likes to do sometimes. forget about the head just put your head in his chest and hammer the body.

I know one person who can definitely beat mayweather, and KTFO of him.

You ready for it?

Valuev =p

Seriously.. Push him into to the corner and smack your hands on his head in a downard motion - floyd will be trapped!

Valuev - Floyd KO in 3 Valuev.
very, very good smart post. Poster of the year?

It was just a joke man. Lighten up.

"Get back mother****er you dont know me like that"

But Dirt E Gomez, Zab was knocked out cold. If Tszyu can do that to him that you have to give Tszyu a PUNCHERS CHANCE at least, against Pretty Girl?
what gives you the right to call him pritty girl when u got a ***** like prince as your pic?

Build a time machine and bring back Sugar Ray Leonard.

Mayweather loses a unnimous decision.

Looking aat fights on tape, you may not agree. However, boxing in SRL hayday was much more popular, and the competition was much tougher, no doubt.

I'd rather fight tszyu, hatton, and judah over duran hearns hagler any day.

Mayweather will definitely be up there with these guys, but circumstance is in his favor.

Build a time machine and bring back Sugar Ray Leonard.

Mayweather loses a unnimous decision.

Looking aat fights on tape, you may not agree. However, boxing in SRL hayday was much more popular, and the competition was much tougher, no doubt.

I'd rather fight tszyu, hatton, and judah over duran hearns hagler any day.

Mayweather will definitely be up there with these guys, but circumstance is in his favor.
i think leonard would beat him but it would be a closer fight than most people think. you have to remember that some legend they get so much credit that it blows up bigger than it should really be

Iceman I'd like your input on this topic.

Iceman I'd like your input on this topic.Man y'all gotta chill with the "Iceman" questions
the guy is a one-man army.... So y'all gotta back off

Okay so Scully how would you go about beating Floyd?

Also does plyometrics really make a difference in one's
performance in the ring, compared to not doing it at all?

Oh and one more thing, I swear this the last one
what did Santa get you for Christmas?

Mayweather is surely one of the five most skilled fighters ever, right up there with Joe Gans, Benny Leonard and Willie Pep. Floyd is more skilled than Sugar Ray Robinson, I think Mayweather may have the most skillful defence ever.

How do you beat him? Castillo beat him. Ricky Hatton is bigger, stronger, fitter and faster than Castillo, and Hatton is the only guy in boxing today who can get close to the skill level of Mayweather.. and he just happens to be around the same weight. So go get Ricky Hatton, tell Ricky to pressure Mayweather but not make the mistakes that Castillo made (Castillo was punching to the arms and elbows which a pressure fighter should never do), and get Mayweather on the backfoot. If Mayweather fights on the ropes against Hatton he'll get battered, Ricky will tee off on him from angles switching right or left and head or body. So if Ricky can back him up, I think Ricky can beat him.

Zab Judah could beat Mayweather too because he's naturally bigger, stronger, and he's much faster than anything Mayweather has come up against.

But, I just think at super-featherweight and lightweight Mayweather cannot be out-boxed by anybody since the days of the Gans', Leonard's and Peps.


cosign that statement ^^^^^^

PBF is now fighting bigger guys, so you have to use those advantages. First, you have to fight as a taller man. Second, apply foot work like Antonio Tarver did against Roy Jones, laying back to see the punches coming. Use a long jab and shut with power every time he is coming in range. The uppercut is a very important punch against smaller fighters. Tide PBF every time you can and put all your body weight over him like Lewis did against Tyson, to tire up his legs and take some of the movement away from him. PBF loves to counter punch, so is very important to hit and move out of his way. Don’t try to knock him out with every punch, instead use a large volume of punches against him. It is very important to punch at his chest and body and don’t give any inch of time for him to think too much in the ring.

I think Hatton has the sytle but well be stopped on cuts. Zab has speed and power but he is wide open for shots down the pipe, and Floyd is gonna expose that and Ko Judah. Watch any fight and at some point Judah leaps in or get wild, that well be his downfall in this fight. Also the level of competition each has faced well come into play. Judah's best win is against spinks. Mayweather has beaten Castillo, Corrales, and Hernadez just to name a few.

;)

Judah is gonna be KOed. That guy had trouble in lazy fight with Spinks and PBF is much more dangerous.

DLH, Wright, and Vernon Forrest can beat Mayweather easily.
Mosley is prime example and comparable to PBF. Mosley also is bigger, stronger, and has a better chin. PBF is faster at 147 though(still to be seen) and more slick counter puncher than boxer like Mosley.

Winky wright or vernon forrest are prime examples.
1)Just too much reach and too strong.
2)All have good jabs and the reach to neutralize mayweather's hand speed.
3)enough power and hand speed to land one punch that can hurt PBF.
4) Mayweather doesn't have power to hurt these guys


Mayweather can be outboxed. If you can't outbox him then you try the Castillo method but I would really wrestle with him and make it a dirty fight.

Hatton likes to grabs and traps the arms alot to make space. That won't work with Mayweather who uses the shoulder and counters with a fast and short right. Plus Hatton gives up angles on wide punchs. I think PBF could exploit that all day long just standing there. Hatton has never experienced any fighter like mayweather. PBF faced hundreds of guys like Hatton.

Lets say your the trainer of the an opponent of Floyd Mayweather Jr., how do you tell your fighter to fight him? What do you think the keys to beating Floyd are?

you have to swarm him just like castillo. You have to fight a fight like the way hatton/castillo fight and never let Floyd rest. Make floyd fight all 3 minutes of the round.

Or you could do like Judah will and surprise Mayweather with your speed, before landing a killer shot. Floyd's never taken a truly good shot the likes of which Judah can hit him with.

were you a FAN of Judah in December :boxing:

Beat Floyd? Jump in a time machine and go about four or five years in the future where his speed and reflexes have diminished enough to make him vulnerable.

I agree with the majority. There is no current fighter that is going to outbox him. Only a power/pressure boxer like Hatton or Margarito stands a chance, especially those two because they will attack at varying angles, not just straight up. If you mix up the attempted wear-down punches (which Castillo didnt do enough of) it might add that extra dimension needed to beat Floyd.

As for the others: Judah is so damn hot and cold, and easy to catch, unless he somehow doesnt let Floyd find his rythm (hurting him early, maybe?), I doubt he'll give Floyd too much trouble.- Tszyu is too one-dimensional, take away his range and he's toast.- Someone said Kassim Ouma. Again, Ouma's best when rangey and doesnt seem to have the same strategic sense of a guy like Mayweather.

Take a page out of Sonny Liston's book and rub Icy Hot on your gloves.

Note: It will only work if you can catch him without getting KO'd lol

Mayweather is surely one of the five most skilled fighters ever, right up there with Joe Gans, Benny Leonard and Willie Pep. Floyd is more skilled than Sugar Ray Robinson, I think Mayweather may have the most skillful defence ever.

How do you beat him? Castillo beat him. .


OK, even if you think Castillo won the first fight as Mayweather was moving up in weight:

Mayweather rematched him immediately, and proved who the better man is.

Now, don't you think Floyd is a smarter and stronger fighter than he was when he fought Castillo YEARS ago?

i read this sumwhere in the forums before.. i didnt read throught all the pages so if it was said i apologize..

do what tarver did.. buddy told tarver to throw punches while roy jones threw his punches. everyone was blinded and afraid of his speed and power. throw ur punch with mayweathers punch... if its done enough ull land a lucky shot and finish him... and yes.. castillo did win that fight with PBF (1st fight).

You've got to have the right fighter first, and there aren't that many out there that could handle him in any way. But I think a guy who can take a hard punch, plus mauling, brawling, and pressuring him every second every round would be able to beat him, especially given they had some talent.

With a gun.

I would tell my guy to keep hitting Floyd on the arms and shoulders and hands and whatever he could hit.

Or to go on a banzai run in the first round. :)

you guys are all missing something. Mayweather boxes 15 minute rounds. His stamina will be superior to anyone. If you fight 3 minutes of every round, you will be tired long before him.

the person to beat floyd would be a very good swarmer/slugger hybrid or slugger with a pretty good-decent chin who has an excellent body attack and enough power to make floyd get on his bicycle the whole fight..he would have to ignore floyd's head for the first few rounds and dig primarily to the body and land some hard shots...he'd have to be an expert at cutting off the ring too. eventually floyd will decide to stand and trade a lil and then he'd get caught. floyd's chin is suspect.

pull a Nancy Kerrining (miss

spell) thang hit him in the knee the day before the fight mate..only way till Osacr tees off on his head

it was draw my man

"Hatton is the only guy in boxing today who can get close to the skill level of Mayweather.. and he just happens to be around the same weight". JuyJuy, your Buggin' Out. Did you see the recent fight that Hatton just had (I forget his opponents name)& almost got taken out by this virtual unknown. Hatton beating Floyd is a loooooooooong shot, mang. To beat Floyd the opponent will either have to be faster &/or as defensively skilled as Floyd. Also, no ones going to rattle Floyd with rapid fire punches, the opponent has got to be a skilled counter puncher & catch Floyd slipping when & if he becomes frustrated due to the waiting game the counter punching will cause. You ain't gon knock Floyd out, so you best be prepared to go the distance, be more busy than Floyd, & hope the decision goes your way. Now Can U Dig Dat!!!!!!! :boxing:

"Hatton is the only guy in boxing today who can get close to the skill level of Mayweather.. and he just happens to be around the same weight". JuyJuy, your Buggin' Out. Did you see the recent fight that Hatton just had (I forget his opponents name)& almost got taken out by this virtual unknown. Hatton beating Floyd is a loooooooooong shot, mang. To beat Floyd the opponent will either have to be faster &/or as defensively skilled as Floyd. Also, no ones going to rattle Floyd with rapid fire punches, the opponent has got to be a skilled counter puncher & catch Floyd slipping when & if he becomes frustrated due to the waiting game the counter punching will cause. You ain't gon knock Floyd out, so you best be prepared to go the distance, be more busy than Floyd, & hope the decision goes your way. Now Can U Dig Dat!!!!!!! :boxing:

Have to disagrre with you there mate.
True, Hatton did have a major wobble in round 12, but Floyd would never get to round 12 with Hatton.
Collazo is a good fighter, who everybody overlooked due to the Hatton hype.
Don King knew this. He don't put belts on the line without good reason.
Hatton would jump all over Floyd, like he did with Kostya, except Floyd will go down and stay down.

i guess if you have manny pacquiao style you will beat floyd.like what pacman did to morales(morales vs.pac 2).never stop punching,goes to the body and then to the head.

I think the southpaw thing would work for a few rounds, but then you better turn it into a war. Mayweather is gifted, and a smart fighter. He may figure out your gameplan after a few rounds. I think the best chance is to get inside to the body, and go to war with him.

How Do You Beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. (Lets Say Your The Trainer)

i would tell my fighter "get in that damn ring and as soon as he starts on his bicycle, protest and tell him to fight you or go join cyclist team"

wach, castillo and chavez fights, watch mitchell and judah fights and main plan would be hit him in the body the pretty girl doesn't like body punchs -who does right

Have to disagrre with you there mate.
True, Hatton did have a major wobble in round 12, but Floyd would never get to round 12 with Hatton.
Collazo is a good fighter, who everybody overlooked due to the Hatton hype.
Don King knew this. He don't put belts on the line without good reason.
Hatton would jump all over Floyd, like he did with Kostya, except Floyd will go down and stay down.

Different strokes for different Blokes.....I'm afraid that there was more than just the wobble in the 12th, Hatton looked way to even for a guy like that for him or more importantly, YOU to think that he'd stand a chance against Floyd. With PBF, you have to worry about more than just his speed, he has power, defense, & experience(especially with fighters like Hatton). Tell U the truth, mang, I don't think Hatton could even take Gatti, & we all saw what Floyd did to him. Now can u Dig Dat, mate!!!! :boxing:

i think the only way you can beat floyd is to wait until he gets old, and slows down, he is unbeatable right now

Very simple, just put him in the ring with the pacman.

This **** is crazy today.

i think the southpaw thing would work for a few rounds, but then you better turn it into a war. Mayweather is gifted, and a smart fighter. He may figure out your gameplan after a few rounds. I think the best chance is to get inside to the body, and go to war with him.

how do you ever put hopkins before ali? You gave me a good laugh
for today. Thank you.

Let him get older. Now actually might be a great time to take him with an attack style strategy. I'm not sure he can fight the same as he did from 130-140, let alone some of his early fights at 147.

That's only in regards to current fighters. Past fighters, much easier time to talk about beating Floyd. For example: At 147, just pit him up against SRR, Hearns, Leonard, etc. At 140, maybe Pryor and Whitaker. Below that, we have some bigger options. Not guaranteed wins...not saying that...but it would be easier to say if I had this guy's talent, I would have him do so and so against Floyd Jr.

If Floyd ever loses it will be because his opponent is way bigger than him.

only wladimir klitschko can beat him








rotfl

Personally i`d like to se him in the ring with Cotto, Williams and "loaded" Margarito :) But no... Margarito is the type of fighters who would fit good to Floyd`s style...

I think Cotto, Williams at WW and probably Pacman in lower weight classes could handle him...

ill tell my fighter to throw the most viscious low blow he can and then hit floyd behind the head as soon as the fight starts lol...

Mayweather is surely one of the five most skilled fighters ever, right up there with Joe Gans, Benny Leonard and Willie Pep. Floyd is more skilled than Sugar Ray Robinson, I think Mayweather may have the most skillful defence ever.

How do you beat him? Castillo beat him. Ricky Hatton is bigger, stronger, fitter and faster than Castillo, and Hatton is the only guy in boxing today who can get close to the skill level of Mayweather.. and he just happens to be around the same weight. So go get Ricky Hatton, tell Ricky to pressure Mayweather but not make the mistakes that Castillo made (Castillo was punching to the arms and elbows which a pressure fighter should never do), and get Mayweather on the backfoot. If Mayweather fights on the ropes against Hatton he'll get battered, Ricky will tee off on him from angles switching right or left and head or body. So if Ricky can back him up, I think Ricky can beat him.

Zab Judah could beat Mayweather too because he's naturally bigger, stronger, and he's much faster than anything Mayweather has come up against.

But, I just think at super-featherweight and lightweight Mayweather cannot be out-boxed by anybody since the days of the Gans', Leonard's and Peps.

Sounds funny reading that post now lol.