Have any of you guys read the books by these fighters? or ever seen them in action on tape or DVD? I've only read about them, i've not got their books or fights. It would seem Shaw was the best out of the bunch, considering his age, height, and weight disadvantages. Gorman said he challenged all of the top guys and they ducked him, but they say they never heard of him.
Anyway, what do some of you guys think about these fighters?

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i got some footage of em its pretty rough, they are not real boxer they do unlicensed boxing some times matches go like this : right hand head butt stomps winer is ........
lol if you call this boxing :confused:

Lenny McLean used to bare knuckle fight alot with no gloves and anything goes except gouging and you can literally jump on someones head kick them in the nuts whatever. He went to New York to fight the Mafia's top guy and knocked him out apparently. When he was older he got involved in unlicenced boxing and fought twice against Shaw losing one and beating him in the other, I read Mcleans and Shaws books and they dont correlate, McLean says he never lost in the ring, or on the cobbles, but Shaw says he lost a few times and got knocked out, McLean says he knocked out Shaw twice and Shaw says he lost only once. Lenny got into acting (he is in the fifth element playing the Police Chief inspector, and Lock stock and two smoking barrels,

Shaw had a proffessional record of 10-0-0 (6) fighting under the name Roy West because he escaped prison and somehow he got away with this (it was in the olden times)....although eventually he got imprisoned again spent alot of time there and was certified insane, and came out of prison in his 30's, he applied for his licence obviously got turned down, so he started bare knuckle fighting like lenny until being lured into unlicenced boxing because bare knuckle fighting was being cracked down on. Roy beat former world Heavy weight contender Ron Stander who fought Joe Frazier I think.

Personally I believe Lenny he is far more likeable, all these guys are completely insane though and Shaw was mental!

Have any of you guys read the books by these fighters? or ever seen them in action on tape or DVD? I've only read about them, i've not got their books or fights. It would seem Shaw was the best out of the bunch, considering his age, height, and weight disadvantages. Gorman said he challenged all of the top guys and they ducked him, but they say they never heard of him.
Anyway, what do some of you guys think about these fighters?

I'll send you a few fights.

I'll send you a few fights.
Cheers man.

shaw looks crazy doesnt he

Anyone have any info on the Gorman guy?

well for a start gorman<rip> was a straight up fighter he would have taken out shaw easy enough ..then you have lenny<rip>who would have taken gorman without much fuss.. he took out shaw twice knocking him out of the ring

i my self have seen footage of shaw and lenny<rip> not gorman<rip>and can say easy enough that lenny was the guvnor an all round fighter gorman was a straight up fighter and shaw was after all looking for the limelight after all the time spent inside as it is shaw and lenny fought "three"times the first lenny not being used to gloves and surprised by shaw's strength lost out not knocked out mind then the 2nd and 3rd times lenny made no mistakes and knocked shaw about like a dolly no matter how tall what you weighed with gloves or not you faced the opposition to win if you lost at least you had a go and as for not fighting gorman well he would only do so bareknuckle and time andplace it just never happened and besides gorman was beat up bad once buy a mass of people at a race course and put paid to any honest fight with anyone after even though the person responsible for that beatin got his comupence ......respect to all past bareknuckle fighters

i my self have seen footage of shaw and lenny<rip> not gorman<rip>and can say easy enough that lenny was the guvnor an all round fighter gorman was a straight up fighter and shaw was after all looking for the limelight after all the time spent inside as it is shaw and lenny fought "three"times the first lenny not being used to gloves and surprised by shaw's strength lost out not knocked out mind then the 2nd and 3rd times lenny made no mistakes and knocked shaw about like a dolly no matter how tall what you weighed with gloves or not you faced the opposition to win if you lost at least you had a go and as for not fighting gorman well he would only do so bareknuckle and time andplace it just never happened and besides gorman was beat up bad once buy a mass of people at a race course and put paid to any honest fight with anyone after even though the person responsible for that beatin got his comupence ......respect to all past bareknuckle fighters
I'm not sure i agree with you on some things. Shaw said his wife could have knocked him out in the rematch with Mclean, he said he didn't want to go into details, but it was something to do with his suppliments. He offered to fight Mclean on more than one occasion after their 3 fights, one was on the Gary Bushell show on tv. Mclean said he was too old, but Shaw pointed out that he was older than Mclean, when he first fought him.

hey, how about sharring some of these fights :D

a pm with a link would be cool :D

Shaw says that he finished his career beating a guy called Kevin Paddock, who had beaten Mclean, so Shaw finished his career being the true guv'nor, because he beat the man who beat the man.

Lenny McLean's last fight

http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2QWIY0HKLC92S1KIBTPFDEMRSY

Lenny McLean vs Unknown Opponent

http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2R7W31Q7EAQYK2TL5GDJYVH82P

Roy Shaw vs Donny Adams

http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0BMQL4FUEMF5B07CIIM4U2S58O

Roy Shaw vs Lenny McLean II

http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3Q9VJVP9O2XH23RGWGDTO1MMMI

Roy Shaw vs Lenny McLean III

http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=17JHH9YXWWZM61QLPCUMC6WUSJ

I'll try and upload some more later

Enjoy!

Read their books and know them personally.
Adios.

Read their books and know them personally.
Adios.
What do you think of them Steve, and who do you think is telling the truth in their books? who was the best in your opinion?

Bump for Buncey!

Cheers man.

I've read Lenny's book and thought it was a good read... Snapshot of 'old london'

Would love to see some footage too so share if you can please guys...

I've read Lenny's book and thought it was a good read... Snapshot of 'old london'

Would love to see some footage too so share if you can please guys...

Ive seen alot of mcleans and shaw`s fights and its a hard call to say whos better. Mclean is the better fighter bare knuckle and shaw with the gloves, they where both bad ass fella`s no doubt.

What do you think of them Steve, and who do you think is telling the truth in their books? who was the best in your opinion?

I have read both books and I believe that Shaw's book is more truthfull.

Lenny's book had some things I would find hard to believe. Going head to head with members of the IRA and things of that nature. According to his book, he was supposed to fight Mister T at one point.

I liked Shaw's book as he never made himself out to be superhuman, beating up 10 and 20 guys at a time but he did go into detail on what a nasty Bastard he was and not just with his fists but with a blade or a lead pipe.

I guess the last time he was jailed was due to some young punk pulling road rage with him when he was in his sixty's. He picked on the WRONG senior citizen that day.The guy is still a scary sight these days, he is still a mountain of nasty Muscle.

This gives you an idea about Shaw's mentality.

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I read both autobiographies and have seen numerous videos of the two, including the two vicious beatings that McLean gave him. I thing that Lenny was the better fighter and better human being. You must remember than Shaw's biography only came out when Lenny was dead, at least Lenny gave Shaw a chance to respond to his claims.

I've seen a couple of videos of Shaw that would make you feel sick. He had no manners in the ring at all and was a disgusting fighter.

Check the records out. Mclean had 12 fights & lost 6! 5 by KO. Shaw had 11 and lost 2!! If you want the real deals you gotta look at Johhny waldren & Cliff fields for both knockiing out Mclean.


You can argue all day about who was the real guv'nor and this will go on for erternity. But Shaw pips it for me. Natural middleweight going in with heavyweights. Yeah Mclean propper battered Shawry but thats what made that whole era so special. Plus the fact that shawry offered out Mclean many times after which Lenny flatly refused.. Shawry is the real deal in every sense of the word. 70 odd years of age and you stare into those eyes of his and you know the fella is still game!

Mclean's book is rammed to the rafters with bull**** and thats coming from people who knew him.

I read both autobiographies and have seen numerous videos of the two, including the two vicious beatings that McLean gave him. I thing that Lenny was the better fighter and better human being. You must remember than Shaw's biography only came out when Lenny was dead, at least Lenny gave Shaw a chance to respond to his claims.

I've seen a couple of videos of Shaw that would make you feel sick. He had no manners in the ring at all and was a disgusting fighter.If you dont know what your on about then why even post !?
Lenny pulled alot of strokes also in the ring IE stamping,headbutting on oponents ! nomore than what shaw did!
A good mate of mine Billy Knows Roy shaw very well as his dad fought Roy Shaw in 1981 ! Billys dad is "wild thing "Bill Yates!
Heres a video of my mate Billy with Roy Shaw!¬
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If you dont know what your on about then why even post !?
Lenny pulled alot of strokes also in the ring IE stamping,headbutting on oponents ! nomore than what shaw did!
A good mate of mine Billy Knows Roy shaw very well as his dad fought Roy Shaw in 1981 ! Billys dad is "wild thing "Bill Yates!
Heres a video of my mate Billy with Roy Shaw!¬
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what a stupid video haha

I have very superficial knowledge of these gentlemen,what I have read about them in passing and a few youtube fights.
But I have read Roy Shaw's autobiography.I remember him talking about fighting Ron Stander,who fought for the heavyweight title against Joe Frazier. Apparently,Shaw was repeatedly hitting him on the chin with his best right hand punch and Stander was just lying on the ropes,absorbing the punches,saying "Good Boy...Good Boy..." waiting for Shaw to punch himself out.Shaw then went downstairs and Stander suddenly moaned.Shaw turned the fight around and managed to win it.I don't know whether on stoppage or on points.Roy later learnt that Stander had gone on a alcoholic binge a few days earlier and had fallen over and broken a couple of ribs.Shaw wrote in his autobiography that, if Stander had come into the fight in condition, he was in no doubt that he would have "mullered" him.That's the exact word he used,I believe. That kind of objectivity is rare in a fighter.Mr Shaw's certainly a unique character.

BTW Stander's chin held up against some of the top pros in the heavyweight division.A little more on it from another fighter's autobiography....

"Stander's head was as hard as Italian marble.I built up a lead in the first two rounds.Every time Stander started to punch,the crowd reacted with raucous whoops.
In the third round,I broke my right hand punching the impregnable corn-fed noggin.My hands had been wrapped too tightly before the bout.....
The pain was overwhelming,but I tried to keep punching,but with just one good hand I was only half as effective as before.That's when the tide turned in Stander's favour and I'll be honest-the guy could whack too.At the beginning of the the fifth round,my corner threw in the towel and Stander received a technical knockout victory. It was the first time somebody had beaten me using his head as deadly weapon."

Anyone care to guess who the narrator is here ?
No cheating.:nono::D

what a stupid video hahaStupid!??
Heres another Video of Roy Shaw talking about my Mate Billys New Book!:boxing:
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The bums were British level fighters. McLean Warrens cousin and Frank says he was a fat bum and greedy for money when he found him. he said Lenny had about 15 fights and lost half, even though he told people he had more and won 'em all. he then got him fit abnd he foiught the other bums. their video's are easy to get on the net. they are average bums hyped up in some dungeon so they can make more money. i heard they got paid more than British champs.

Then why did you have the username 'Lenny McLean' a while back?

to be honest these guys always came across as bullies rather than just genuine hardmen.

i dont get why people celebrate them so much? its cool to be interested in their stories cos they had some pretty amazing tales but they shouldnt be spoke about in admiration.

They were smelly criminals. McLean was a good actor and i never used that username.

Yes you did.

You were Benitez, and you were banned because you're such a **** poster. You were Fernando Torres until banned for your ****ness. Then you were Mafcherano, but were banned when your ****osity became to much to bear. You then became Lenny McLean (banned for ****-tastic posts).

Post 149 of this thread you make it obvious that it's you, and the Liverpool FC sig that you had with that account is also a big give away sperm breath.http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195982

I don't even remember that one myself!!! you gay welsh people have nothing better to do than keep records of users online. this forum means so much to you because you were bullied at school which is why you're a gayboy and wouldn't dare get in to twuble. Bore off and have a wank over the **** Calslappy. You need to get a life!

lenny mcclean = the guvnor
im not to sure about gorman but when it came to him and roy he seemed to have shaw's number

They were unlicensed because they were loons lol,they liked to head butt and stamp on people thats why they couldn't get a boxing license and plus they had been in jail for one thing or another :boxing:

I don't even remember that one myself!!! you gay welsh people have nothing better to do than keep records of users online. this forum means so much to you because you were bullied at school which is why you're a gayboy and wouldn't dare get in to twuble. Bore off and have a wank over the **** Calslappy. You need to get a life!

You seem to have some serious problems. Why not just say "oh, I guess I was wrong" and leave it at that?

You seem to have some serious problems. Why not just say "oh, I guess I was wrong" and leave it at that?
Cause hes a poor fool whos still sucking momas titie:boxing:

Didn't Roy Shaw post on these forums? I heard from a few faces I know in London that it was actually him. He was trying to promote his book at the time. It's well worth checking out some of his "traditional" views

Cause hes a poor fool whos still sucking momas titie:boxing:
yes, YOUR mum has nice juicy ones, merci! :owned:
They were unlicensed because they were loons lol,they liked to head butt and stamp on people thats why they couldn't get a boxing license and plus they had been in jail for one thing or another :boxing:
Bull****. if they were good enough they could box without using them tactics in the pro's but they were NOT. Also, the BBBC have given licenses to people with criminal records, so that is pure bull****. Even Tyson fought here after doing time for rape so that is more bull****. The reason why they fought unlicensed is coz they could make more money from it than the British Champion.
You seem to have some serious problems. Why not just say "oh, I guess I was wrong" and leave it at that?
because I wasn't wrong. i didn't remember it because it wasn't me,just a wannabee. Them admitting it doesn't make it fact. Maybe it was you?

i dont know why anyone would idolise bare knuckle or unlicenced boxers...they usually have no skiil or conditioning and are basically thugs who cant cut it in proper boxing

Exactly! They are British bums!

I have very superficial knowledge of these gentlemen,what I have read about them in passing and a few youtube fights.
But I have read Roy Shaw's autobiography.I remember him talking about fighting Ron Stander,who fought for the heavyweight title against Joe Frazier. Apparently,Shaw was repeatedly hitting him on the chin with his best right hand punch and Stander was just lying on the ropes,absorbing the punches,saying "Good Boy...Good Boy..." waiting for Shaw to punch himself out.Shaw then went downstairs and Stander suddenly moaned.Shaw turned the fight around and managed to win it.I don't know whether on stoppage or on points.Roy later learnt that Stander had gone on a alcoholic binge a few days earlier and had fallen over and broken a couple of ribs.Shaw wrote in his autobiography that, if Stander had come into the fight in condition, he was in no doubt that he would have "mullered" him.That's the exact word he used,I believe. That kind of objectivity is rare in a fighter.Mr Shaw's certainly a unique character.

BTW Stander's chin held up against some of the top pros in the heavyweight division.A little more on it from another fighter's autobiography....

"Stander's head was as hard as Italian marble.I built up a lead in the first two rounds.Every time Stander started to punch,the crowd reacted with raucous whoops.
In the third round,I broke my right hand punching the impregnable corn-fed noggin.My hands had been wrapped too tightly before the bout.....
The pain was overwhelming,but I tried to keep punching,but with just one good hand I was only half as effective as before.That's when the tide turned in Stander's favour and I'll be honest-the guy could whack too.At the beginning of the the fifth round,my corner threw in the towel and Stander received a technical knockout victory. It was the first time somebody had beaten me using his head as deadly weapon."

Anyone care to guess who the narrator is here ?
No cheating.:nono::D

Oh well ,no answer....The fighter narrating here is Ernie Shavers.
Ron Stander,to be sure, had a half-decent chin.

Exactly! They are British bums!


And what the **** would you know about British bums and make such a bold statement you nob jockey?!

Perhaps you might have to live here first! Get an understanding of London life and the rest of England..Live and breathe this sport from the very bottom up. The Dockers, The war time veterans, The villans, The pikies & travelers, The chancers as well as the Ex pros and up coming amateurs. Get a taste of British life and you might just grasp what happened in those glory days of prize fighting! That was just ONE era that caught the limelight. Boxing has been in my family 100 yrs and i cant even trace back further but my grandad, his brothers & my great grandad all Pro boxers but all boxed bare knuckle as well. They were all hard men but also gentlemen to my knowledge. Even at the age of 55 my grandad was still winning fights bareknuckle against people half his age. And most of the time it was to put food on the table. You might read the odd book and hear some silly internet bollocks and come to the assumption what unlicenced fighting was all about. Yeah, the Shaw/Mclean fights were quite brutal but that i'm affraid was a product of British enviroment at that time. But don't think for a second it started with these people.. they just happened to take it to the masses. Your talking 100's of years in the making. You ask why people idolise bare knuckle fighters..? Perhaps it's because they are the real people on the street, your manor, your hood or whatever you wanna call it. Local heroes to some just the same as supporting your local football team for lack of better explaination. You can't expect everything to go by the book in terms of what the Queensbury rules say and if the people want to see it.. then give the people what they want! It's entertainment and especially after the War it bred certain individuals and characters that i don't think we'll see again anytime soon. It's our history and any any man that make the effort to step in them ropes gets my respect. Right or wrong, conditioned or unconditioned they aint BUMS!

I boxed for 7 years myself so i've got full respect for the rules. Prizefighting is just another part of Britsh subculture and with todays bull**** gangster mentality and i'm all for settleing the old school way. WITH A GOOD STRAIGHTENER in the ring!

Sorry if i've rambled on. I see the 'They are British bums' quote and had to say something. It ain't all what you read and watch in this internet generation. But i guess if you don't live here you'll never know...

Feel free to pick holes in any of this. I couldn't really give a toss!

And what the **** would you know about British bums and make such a bold statement you nob jockey?!

Perhaps you might have to live here first! Get an understanding of London life and the rest of England..Live and breathe this sport from the very bottom up. The Dockers, The war time veterans, The villans, The pikies & travelers, The chancers as well as the Ex pros and up coming amateurs. Get a taste of British life and you might just grasp what happened in those glory days of prize fighting! That was just ONE era that caught the limelight. Boxing has been in my family 100 yrs and i cant even trace back further but my grandad, his brothers & my great grandad all Pro boxers but all boxed bare knuckle as well. They were all hard men but also gentlemen to my knowledge. Even at the age of 55 my grandad was still winning fights bareknuckle against people half his age. And most of the time it was to put food on the table. You might read the odd book and hear some silly internet bollocks and come to the assumption what unlicenced fighting was all about. Yeah, the Shaw/Mclean fights were quite brutal but that i'm affraid was a product of British enviroment at that time. But don't think for a second it started with these people.. they just happened to take it to the masses. Your talking 100's of years in the making. You ask why people idolise bare knuckle fighters..? Perhaps it's because they are the real people on the street, your manor, your hood or whatever you wanna call it. Local heroes to some just the same as supporting your local football team for lack of better explaination. You can't expect everything to go by the book in terms of what the Queensbury rules say and if the people want to see it.. then give the people what they want! It's entertainment and especially after the War it bred certain individuals and characters that i don't think we'll see again anytime soon. It's our history and any any man that make the effort to step in them ropes gets my respect. Right or wrong, conditioned or unconditioned they aint BUMS!

I boxed for 7 years myself so i've got full respect for the rules. Prizefighting is just another part of Britsh subculture and with todays bull**** gangster mentality and i'm all for settleing the old school way. WITH A GOOD STRAIGHTENER in the ring!

Sorry if i've rambled on. I see the 'They are British bums' quote and had to say something. It ain't all what you read and watch in this internet generation. But i guess if you don't live here you'll never know...

Feel free to pick holes in any of this. I couldn't really give a toss!Great post:boxing: