Penn can't "Andull his riddum". Bad matchup for Penn's first fight back in the UFC....

I wouldn't say "he's going to". Hard one to call, I like st. Frenchie a lot, but Penn's stand up might be a lil' better than George... And once it hits the ground is all Cabbage Jr.

No end of story.


Penn>Frenchie

Penn can't "Andull his riddum". Bad matchup for Penn's first fight back in the UFC....

guess Dana only gives challenges to the fighters he doesn't like... LOL

St. Peezy TKO round 2!

Tough one to call, but I'll go with St. Pierre. Maybe by decision. Penn isn't getting submitted, he might flash KO him, but I doubt it.

I just want penn to lose.

it would make my year complete.

I've always been curious to see if GSP can handle a hard clean shot..
Guess we'll find out...

I think it's GSP first round.

I wouldn't say "he's going to". Hard one to call, I like st. Frenchie a lot, but Penn's stand up might be a lil' better than George... And once it hits the ground is all Cabbage Jr.
Did you see his fight with Trigg Sherk and Mayhem? Penn might have a "SLIGHT" edge (although I disagree with that even) there is no way its all Penn.

Also, there is a question of which Penn is going to show up. If its the Penn that beat Matt Hughes, then its a hellva fight. If its the Penn that drew with Karo Uno or beat Renzo Gracie, then Georges will win easy.

Georges shows up for all of his fights. There is only one Georges St Pierre and there are two B.J Penn's, only one of whom stands a chance.

All you guys hate BJ when he is clearly one of the best fighters in MMA no matter what anyone says.Honestly why do you guys hate him so much he one hell of a fighter IMO.

All you guys hate BJ when he is clearly one of the best fighters in MMA no matter what anyone says.Honestly why do you guys hate him so much he one hell of a fighter IMO.
I like the Penn that fought Hughes and Gomi. I hate the Penn that fought anyone with the last name Gracie. The fact that you never know what you are going to get with him effects how people view him.

I like the Penn that fought Hughes and Gomi. I hate the Penn that fought anyone with the last name Gracie. The fact that you never know what you are going to get with him effects how people view him.



I can understand that but I think alot of it has to do with him being able to get psyched enough to fight in less important fights.From what I can see he seems to really turn it on when he wants a fight bad or if it's a really big fight.Just look at what he did to gomi he ripped him apart the same with Hughes.I am really hoping we see the psyched up Penn in this fight because from my thinking he has something to prove in this fight to Dana White to show Dana that he was worth the money he asked for before the UFC stripped him of his belt.

Penn has dropped the ball in several important fights. He had two lightweight title shots and blew it both times. Although he had Pulver beat if he has 10 more seconds and I thought he beat Uno the second time, my point is that he didn't bring his best in the two most important matches in his career to that date.

Thats why its hard to like Penn. He doesn't seem to have his heart in in half the time, even though he has a huge amount of natural talent. Now he is fighting someone with just as much natural talent who brings it every fight and is a fighter in the truest sense of the word. He is going to have a tough time.

Penn has dropped the ball in several important fights. He had two lightweight title shots and blew it both times. Although he had Pulver beat if he has 10 more seconds and I thought he beat Uno the second time, my point is that he didn't bring his best in the two most important matches in his career to that date.

Thats why its hard to like Penn. He doesn't seem to have his heart in in half the time, even though he has a huge amount of natural talent. Now he is fighting someone with just as much natural talent who brings it every fight and is a fighter in the truest sense of the word. He is going to have a tough time.

GSP does not have "just as much natural talent". You are saying that BJ doesnt bring his best and you question his heart? BJ moved up in weight to challenge his skills, heart by fighting Hughes, the Gracies and Machida. He only lost one by decision and that was to Machida who was heavyweight. What part of heart didnt he show? Penn (IMO) is stating that he is not afraid to fight anyone, no matter what the weight. Win or lose, he is challenging himself. It has nothing to do with his opponents whether they are good, bad, old or whatever. His opponents has world class skills and heart.

He now fights GSP and I am sure that BJ doesnt take him lightly but rather looks at it as a challenge to test his skills. So yes, it will be a good fight.

GSP does not have "just as much natural talent". You are saying that BJ doesnt bring his best and you question his heart? BJ moved up in weight to challenge his skills, heart by fighting Hughes, the Gracies and Machida. He only lost one by decision and that was to Machida who was heavyweight. What part of heart didnt he show? Penn (IMO) is stating that he is not afraid to fight anyone, no matter what the weight. Win or lose, he is challenging himself. It has nothing to do with his opponents whether they are good, bad, old or whatever. His opponents has world class skills and heart.

He now fights GSP and I am sure that BJ doesnt take him lightly but rather looks at it as a challenge to test his skills. So yes, it will be a good fight.


Thank you for speaking some actual sense in hear bro.

GSP does not have "just as much natural talent". You are saying that BJ doesnt bring his best and you question his heart? BJ moved up in weight to challenge his skills, heart by fighting Hughes, the Gracies and Machida. He only lost one by decision and that was to Machida who was heavyweight. What part of heart didnt he show? Penn (IMO) is stating that he is not afraid to fight anyone, no matter what the weight. Win or lose, he is challenging himself. It has nothing to do with his opponents whether they are good, bad, old or whatever. His opponents has world class skills and heart.

He now fights GSP and I am sure that BJ doesnt take him lightly but rather looks at it as a challenge to test his skills. So yes, it will be a good fight.
Penn looked horrible in both his fights against the Gracies. He should of beaten them both pretty easy but he didn't. In his fight against Machida I really question if it was because Penn was really good, or Machida was that bad. Machida, just like Penn, seems to be two different fighters.

And yes, I am saying Georges does have just as much natural talent as Penn. Anyone that not only defeats but humbles the fighters Georges has obviously has HUGE amounts of natural talent. Penn could be one of the best in the world but sometimes, and he has admitted this himself, he doesn't care about fighting as much as he should.

How can someone be a world championship fighter and NOT care about fighting sometimes?

Penn looked horrible in both his fights against the Gracies. He should of beaten them both pretty easy but he didn't. In his fight against Machida I really question if it was because Penn was really good, or Machida was that bad. Machida, just like Penn, seems to be two different fighters.

And yes, I am saying Georges does have just as much natural talent as Penn. Anyone that not only defeats but humbles the fighters Georges has obviously has HUGE amounts of natural talent. Penn could be one of the best in the world but sometimes, and he has admitted this himself, he doesn't care about fighting as much as he should.

How can someone be a world championship fighter and NOT care about fighting sometimes?

Is GSP the only non foreigner to win the mundials as black belt?
Or maybe he is the only Canadian to win the mundials as a black belt. Cmon Fallout, you know that BJ is more "natural talented" than GSP. I know you hate Penn, but you gotta give him his "natural accredited" ability in mma. He climbed weight and won!!!!!!!!!! He submitted the unsubmittable. (GOMI). Did you forget all of that and living in todays hype?

Is GSP the only non foreigner to win the mundials as black belt?
Or maybe he is the only Canadian to win the mundials as a black belt. Cmon Fallout, you know that BJ is more "natural talented" than GSP. I know you hate Penn, but you gotta give him his "natural accredited" ability in mma. He climbed weight and won!!!!!!!!!! He submitted the unsubmittable. (GOMI). Did you forget all of that and living in todays hype?

Gomi vs penn broke down 2haymakers landing at the right tiem..
Penn threw em and they landed.. Did he get the win?? yes..
If they fought again would it play out the same?? hell no...

Is GSP the only non foreigner to win the mundials as black belt?
Or maybe he is the only Canadian to win the mundials as a black belt. Cmon Fallout, you know that BJ is more "natural talented" than GSP. I know you hate Penn, but you gotta give him his "natural accredited" ability in mma. He climbed weight and won!!!!!!!!!! He submitted the unsubmittable. (GOMI). Did you forget all of that and living in todays hype?
There is such a difference between BJJ and MMA that winning a tournament, even as important as the mundials means little to nothing in MMA. Penn is so good that you can't really say "This is where, technicaly, B.J is the weakest." The only question about Penn is his heart and desire. I am sorry guys but that is a HUGE question with Penn at this point. How much does he want to fight? If the A level B.J Penn shows up then he and Georges are going to have a war as I don't think there is any major differences between them other than I think Georges is stronger and Penn might be a bit more experiened.

We will have to wait and see which Penn shows up however, because you never can tell.

Gomi vs penn broke down 2haymakers landing at the right tiem..
Penn threw em and they landed.. Did he get the win?? yes..
If they fought again would it play out the same?? hell no...



Yes it would be the same because Penn actually hates Gomi on a personal level and would rip him apart again.

Yes it would be the same because Penn actually hates Gomi on a personal level and would rip him apart again.
Again, it took a personal grudge to light a fire under Penn's ass. Being the best fighter at 155 wasn't enough. It wasn't enough against Pulver or Uno the second time. It took the fact he doesn't like Gomi to push him to the next level. It took the fact NO ONE gave him a snowballs chance in hell against Hughes.

Everyone knew he would beat Renzo and Rodrigo, and he did, but he looked sloppy as a 50 year old hooker. Machida, well I still don't know if Penn was good in that fight, or Machida was bad. Strangely though, I thought Penn should of won.

Now that people are split 50/50 on who would win between Georges and Penn, who knows what will happen.

And yes, Penn would probably beat Gomi again because Gomi isn't good enough off of his back to beat Penn if he gets taken down.

This fight is a toss up.

Penn will take this fight if it goes to the ground but GSP has some great take down defense as shown in his last fight against sherk.

If penn trains hard for this fight and comes in fit then I think penn has the advantage his natural skill and technique is something GSP has never experienced in his young career, BJ is one good jiu jitsu player one of the few good jiu jitsu guys to carry over into mma and become a great!

I like both guys! GSP his personality he is funny and very humble good for the sport he can be marketable.

BJ PENN he is a great fighter but not as marketable wtih his personality.

This fight is a toss up.



BJ PENN he is a great fighter but not as marketable wtih his personality.


This fight is a toss up.

No way this is a toss up at all.


BJ PENN he is a great fighter but not as marketable wtih his personality

His personality in the UFC was "bring it". After he won the "greatest p4p welterweight UFC champion", people said that he was afraid to defend. He then fought Ludwig, who many thought was the greatest since........... I dont know. Penn won!
Penn won vs. Rodrigo Gracie(who coincidentaly won Hayato Sakurai(the one Gomi fought for the Pride GP Championship).

Then Penn won vs. Renzo Gracie who beat 2 UFC CHAMPIONS and others.

It is a toss up. Now for the repeating time, He beat Hughes, yes. I dont know anybody who thought Penn was afraid to defend. I dont know anybody who thought Ludwig was the greatest, also, lets try and remember Ludwig had not fought MMA in nearly 2 years when Penn beat him. Then he beat Rodrigo Gracie, who laid and prayed he way past Sakurai, and really hadn't beat anybody else worth mentioning in his long career of 6 whole fights. Who's next? 40 year old Renzo Gracie, who beat UFC champions 6 years ago. You know TK beat Fedor once? Does that mean he's top of the line? Like Ludwig, Renzo had not had a fight in about 2 years before he fought Penn too. So, that leaves 1 solid victory since moving up in weight. Read this Carfully KCF, please, because I am sick of repeating myself for you to just ignore, please come with somthing solid to respond to....

Penn isn't getting submitted, .

Everybody said the same thing about the gracies..

It is a toss up. Now for the repeating time, He beat Hughes, yes. I dont know anybody who thought Penn was afraid to defend. I dont know anybody who thought Ludwig was the greatest, also, lets try and remember Ludwig had not fought MMA in nearly 2 years when Penn beat him. Then he beat Rodrigo Gracie, who laid and prayed he way past Sakurai, and really hadn't beat anybody else worth mentioning in his long career of 6 whole fights. Who's next? 40 year old Renzo Gracie, who beat UFC champions 6 years ago. You know TK beat Fedor once? Does that mean he's top of the line? Like Ludwig, Renzo had not had a fight in about 2 years before he fought Penn too. So, that leaves 1 solid victory since moving up in weight. Read this Carfully KCF, please, because I am sick of repeating myself for you to just ignore, please come with somthing solid to respond to....

PENN BY ARMBAHHHH!!!!

PENN BY ARMBAHHHH!!!!


if i listened to your advice, id be a poor man. :D

Where the hell you been Elgigante? Postin at Tammy's site?

Where the hell you been Elgigante? Postin at Tammy's site?

some. but i have been posting elsewhere on my own as well as real life shit going on. sup with ya brotha?

also if anyone is saying Penn lost to a scrub in LYOTO, they are full of it. The guy demolished Rich Franklin inside of a round in their bout so he can beat world class guys

No way a hawaiian is going to lose to a frenchie canadian. Penn would KO anyone from maple surup land inculding Lebanner.

LOL. What's up Blue

:boxing: The Canadians are Running shiiiiiiiit in MMA these days (say WORD). If it ain't GStP, it's my Fothermuckin' man, Da Crow, David Luwazo. Ain't BJ Penn the cat who got ground & pounded out by Lil' Evil not to long ago. He was good back in the day but any fighter that str8 disappears once he losses one fight(see Tito Trinidad) gets no props from 'round 'herrrrrrrrr. Now can ya'll Dig Dat!!!!!!!!!!!

Not much Cesaro, just sneakin' in a moment at my job. How've you been?

I think Dana should give BJ Penn an easy start back in the UFC..
It would be funny in a way if he lost against GSP :P

Ain't BJ Penn the cat who got ground & pounded out by Lil' Evil not to long ago.

uh, no.

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Hell no.

:boxing: The Canadians are Running shiiiiiiiit in MMA these days (say WORD). If it ain't GStP, it's my Fothermuckin' man, Da Crow, David Luwazo. Ain't BJ Penn the cat who got ground & pounded out by Lil' Evil not to long ago. He was good back in the day but any fighter that str8 disappears once he losses one fight(see Tito Trinidad) gets no props from 'round 'herrrrrrrrr. Now can ya'll Dig Dat!!!!!!!!!!!



Canada can lick America's balls.

Jens beat Penn a few years back. Not anytime recently though...

Penn is kind of rusty so that will play apart in this bout

Jens beat Penn a few years back. Not anytime recently though...

poant.

Damn, how old was BJ ... 14? That grizzled ole lookin Jens was prolly checkin his oil and grinding on the little guy while tweakin his nipples and shit.

That should be a NC and Jens should be remanded to the pen ...

Penitentiary, that is. Nasty old man.

Or worse ... rematch.

uh, no.

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Hell no.

Balls?? waht balls, you guys need tanks and missiles to fight cammel ridin rock throwers..
Think your confusing balls with a few things and none of them have to do with bravery..

Canada can lick America's balls.

Balls?? waht balls, you guys need tanks and missiles to fight cammel ridin rock throwers.. Maybe your not talking about those kinds of balls?? You mean basket balls, didnt' we invent those 2?

Loser go back to your bomb shelter and turn off the O2, no need to waste any more air than you already have.

Seriously, BJ never impressed me outside of the Hughes fight.(thank god, I HATE HUGHES!!!!)

I think he is solid, but people act like he is god or some shit. The fight with Gomi was a good showing, but I was pissed at Gomi for fighting like a chump. BJ did what he had to do, but alot of that fight Gomi wasnt in it from the get go.

He faced Lyoto. OK. So what. I honestly think Lyoto isnt that good of a fighter. He beat a sick Rich. Have anybody seen that fight? Seriously thats the was worst outting from Rich EVER. ZERO agression and just trying to ride out the fight from the get go. Lyoto is famous for that but thats all he did, and EVERYONE think BJ is the shit for not getting KO'ed. Hell, Otsuka would go to JD with Lyoto. That wasnt impressive.

BJ is skilled, but I NEVER understood the fan fare and hype. He destroyed Uno and Din Thomas. Ok, but why all the NUT HUGGING.

I think GSP is going to take it. I think he can dictate the pace. I believe his stand up is more clean and doesnt get wild. I also believe that the Rush has the edge in AGGRESSION...Controlled Aggression

JD with GSP as a clear winner...Not Dominating, but a CLEAR winner.

Seriously, BJ never impressed me outside of the Hughes fight.(thank god, I HATE HUGHES!!!!)

I think he is solid, but people act like he is god or some shit. The fight with Gomi was a good showing, but I was pissed at Gomi for fighting like a chump. BJ did what he had to do, but alot of that fight Gomi wasnt in it from the get go.

He faced Lyoto. OK. So what. I honestly think Lyoto isnt that good of a fighter. He beat a sick Rich. Have anybody seen that fight? Seriously thats the was worst outting from Rich EVER. ZERO agression and just trying to ride out the fight from the get go. Lyoto is famous for that but thats all he did, and EVERYONE think BJ is the shit for not getting KO'ed. Hell, Otsuka would go to JD with Lyoto. That wasnt impressive.

BJ is skilled, but I NEVER understood the fan fare and hype. He destroyed Uno and Din Thomas. Ok, but why all the NUT HUGGING.

I think GSP is going to take it. I think he can dictate the pace. I believe his stand up is more clean and doesnt get wild. I also believe that the Rush has the edge in AGGRESSION...Controlled Aggression

JD with GSP as a clear winner...Not Dominating, but a CLEAR winner.


You sir need to stop smokin them hubba rocks.

I never seen BJ and went "WOW"

Maybe I look for something different from other people. I just never understood the hype.

For example, I use to REALLY hate Fedor...but at the same time, I TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD the hype. THAT ****ER IS INSANLY SKILLED. I hated him but at the same time I said "WOW"

BJ NEVER did that for me. Maybe I need to be Hawaiian or believe the arrogant shit that spills from his lips.

Speaking of gomi/Penn...
I watched the fight lastnight as a matter of fact and penn looked way bigger than gomi.. had like an inch or 2 of height and was almost double the thickness..
Not sure what each fighter weighed for the fight/the actual fight not the weigh-in..
when they were clinched it was like Bj could just lean on gomi and have him backing up.. Deffinatly not the gomi we see today..
Was that a WW fight or a LW fight??
Yes it does make a difference, I'd be surprised if BJ could get his fat ass to weigh in with the LW's.

It was LW's...That could have factor in too. But even with the weight difference I was like WTF

The Ensanity has just put the correct in an omoplata....

He faced Lyoto. OK. So what. I honestly think Lyoto isnt that good of a fighter. He beat a sick Rich. Have anybody seen that fight? Seriously thats the was worst outting from Rich EVER. ZERO agression and just trying to ride out the fight from the get go. Lyoto is famous for that but thats all he did, and EVERYONE think BJ is the shit for not getting KO'ed. Hell, Otsuka would go to JD with Lyoto. That wasnt impressive.

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