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RavshinRicRude
12-04-2012, 08:49 PM
La mayoria de los Lations son Catolicos...ustedes que son???

LeG00N
12-04-2012, 09:00 PM
Agnostic........

thuggery
12-04-2012, 09:10 PM
Reptillian...

ELHURACAN58
12-04-2012, 09:12 PM
Dammit Ric!

Aww forget it. Católico de nacimiento.

Now I consider myself a guy that tries his best to follow the christian way of life, even if I dont completely believe everything the church stands for.

Men........

Men...

Geez guys he asked for your religion, not your sexual preferences.:lol1:


:dance:

LeG00N
12-04-2012, 09:19 PM
Dammit Ric!

Aww forget it. Católico de nacimiento.

Now I consider myself a guy that tries his best to follow the christian way of life, even if I dont completely believe everything the church stands for.





Geez guys he asked for your religion, not your sexual preferences.:lol1:


:dance:

I remember when you got laughed out of the lounge for trying to debate religion... :lol1:

ELHURACAN58
12-04-2012, 09:22 PM
I remember when you got laughed out of the lounge for trying to debate religion... :lol1:

I didnt get laughed out of there, and second I dint debate religion but my position on gay marriage by the church and how it would allow for other nasty perverted things to be legalized if it was permitted.

KO MX
12-04-2012, 09:25 PM
:angel: catolico

LeG00N
12-04-2012, 09:25 PM
I didnt get laughed out of there, and second I dint debate religion but my position on gay marriage by the church and how it would allow for other nasty perverted things to be legalized if it was permitted.

you got laughed out of there.... you were saying Raping and marrying animals was going to be come legal :lol1:

then everyone laughed at you and you stopped posting

ELHURACAN58
12-04-2012, 09:34 PM
you got laughed out of there.... you were saying Raping and marrying animals was going to be come legal :lol1:

then everyone laughed at you and you stopped posting

You mean this thread.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549230&highlight=marriage


I shared my views on the topic.

I wouldnt put it past humanity to do it though, its already legal in the muslim world to marry little girls, as it is legal in the US for pastors to carry weapons in church.:lol1:

-jose-
12-04-2012, 09:55 PM
I was brought up Catholic I was even an altar boy back in the days I was taught to pray to statutes and that the dead family members are in heaven watching over us.
I've learned in time that praying to statutes and saints don't mean anything but I do believe in God and Jesus Christ and the word of the Bible but i'm not the type to preach to you and force my beliefs on anyone, if you believe or not me da lo mismo.

AztecWanker
12-04-2012, 10:09 PM
Church of Margarito Christ of Latter Day Saints.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/309668_184631691607900_380093_n.jpg

LeG00N
12-04-2012, 10:29 PM
Church of Margarito Christ of Latter Day Saints.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/309668_184631691607900_380093_n.jpg

:hail: :hail:

kadyo
12-04-2012, 10:47 PM
Nacido romano catolico pero soy no religioso mas...

thuggery
12-04-2012, 11:31 PM
Church of Margarito Christ of Latter Day Saints.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/309668_184631691607900_380093_n.jpg

best religion known to man.

MEXGBP
12-05-2012, 12:13 AM
antes era catolico de tradicion, des pues me hize cristiano evangelico, hoy estoy en el desierto pero creo en dios y en jesus nuestro salvador, y en la biblia al 100%

RIZO24
12-05-2012, 01:21 AM
Church of Margarito Christ of Latter Day Saints.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/309668_184631691607900_380093_n.jpg

I am a true follower!!!

Sake1
12-05-2012, 01:31 AM
Agnostic. Sometimes I feel like I'm more atheist than agnostic & I'm not sure I like that.

JRM
12-05-2012, 02:52 AM
Nacido romano catolico pero soy no religioso mas...

dat google translate.

kadyo
12-05-2012, 05:14 AM
dat google translate.

Dats called chabacano LOL.

-Johannes-
12-05-2012, 01:01 PM
De ninguna. Todas las religiones son falsas.

Cleto_Reyes
12-05-2012, 01:48 PM
Cristiano. Tienes que tener una experiencia para creer. everyone that claims God is false bla bla bla has never had a supernatural experience it changes you really...

-Johannes-
12-05-2012, 01:58 PM
Cristiano. Tienes que tener una experiencia para creer. everyone that claims God is false bla bla bla has never had a supernatural experience it changes you really...

La gran mayoria de la gente que tiene estas experiencias "sobrenaturales" son totalmente agenos a los campos de la ciencia que explicarian ese tipo de eventos. Por eso es que hoy en dia vemos menos y menos "milagros." Porque existen explicaciones cientificas a muchas de nuestras ideas falsas. Cadia dia vamos aprendiendo mas sobre nuestra existencia. Por eso, hoy en dia somos ateos a los dioses de las mitologias. Ya no creemos en zeus, thor, Amon ra, tlaloc, etc, porque tenemos una explicacion razonable y comprobable a todos estas experiencias. Solo nos falta uno mas.

-jose-
12-05-2012, 02:02 PM
Cristiano. Tienes que tener una experiencia para creer. everyone that claims God is false bla bla bla has never had a supernatural experience it changes you really...

I know exactly what you mean bro.

RavshinRicRude
12-05-2012, 02:40 PM
Dammit Ric!

Aww forget it. Católico de nacimiento.

Now I consider myself a guy that tries his best to follow the christian way of life, even if I dont completely believe everything the church stands for.





Geez guys he asked for your religion, not your sexual preferences.:lol1:


:dance:

hahaha why damn it??? sore topic for you????

cactusEG
12-05-2012, 02:59 PM
Catolico. But I dont go to church as much as I need to

Cuauhtémoc1520
12-05-2012, 03:18 PM
Cristiano. Tienes que tener una experiencia para creer. everyone that claims God is false bla bla bla has never had a supernatural experience it changes you really...

La gran mayoria de la gente que tiene estas experiencias "sobrenaturales" son totalmente agenos a los campos de la ciencia que explicarian ese tipo de eventos. Por eso es que hoy en dia vemos menos y menos "milagros." Porque existen explicaciones cientificas a muchas de nuestras ideas falsas. Cadia dia vamos aprendiendo mas sobre nuestra existencia. Por eso, hoy en dia somos ateos a los dioses de las mitologias. Ya no creemos en zeus, thor, Amon ra, tlaloc, etc, porque tenemos una explicacion razonable y comprobable a todos estas experiencias. Solo nos falta uno mas.

Exactamente.....

La verdad es que religión y creencia en dios empezó porque el ser humano no pudo entender el mundo natural. Entonces invento dioses de la luna, el sol y el viento por ejemplo.

Luego, cuando el humano fue mas avanzado, uso la religión y dios para controlar los que eran menos inteligente que los que tenían ese poder de dios es su lado, como sacerdotes y reyes.

Eso toda vía existe en el mundo de hoy. Ay lideres que usan la religión para controlar los mas ignorantes. Cuando gente se esta matando con bombas en lugares poblados eso es un extremismo que solamente viene de creencias en un dios.

Pero ciencia esta cambiando todo eso porque la información que tenemos ahora, es algo que ya muy poca gente puede negar, y va totalmente en contrario de lo que la religión predica.

RavshinRicRude
12-05-2012, 03:26 PM
Exactamente.....

La verdad es que religión y creencia en dios empezó porque el ser humano no pudo entender el mundo natural. Entonces invento dioses de la luna, el sol y el viento por ejemplo.

Luego, cuando el humano fue mas avanzado, uso la religión y dios para controlar los que eran menos inteligente que los que tenían ese poder de dios es su lado, como sacerdotes y reyes.

Eso toda vía existe en el mundo de hoy. Ay lideres que usan la religión para controlar los mas ignorantes. Cuando gente se esta matando con bombas en lugares poblados eso es un extremismo que solamente viene de creencias en un dios.

Pero ciencia esta cambiando todo eso porque la información que tenemos ahora, es algo que ya muy poca gente puede negar, y va totalmente en contrario de lo que la religión predica.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

ELHURACAN58
12-05-2012, 04:24 PM
hahaha why damn it??? sore topic for you????

No I just turned into ELHURACAN58 McCoy and made the Latino Lounge mod RicDaRula Kirk.

Now it fits for the thread to say: "Dammit Ric! Im a catholic not an atheist!"

RavshinRicRude
12-05-2012, 04:29 PM
No I just turned into ELHURACAN58 McCoy and made the Latino Lounge mod RicDaRula Kirk.

Now it fits for the thread to say: "Dammit Ric! Im a catholic not an atheist!"

ahhahahah no te entendi ni madre pero ok......what ever floats yo boat son!! hahaha

MEXGBP
12-05-2012, 06:01 PM
so temo tu cres e la relegio de la science,
Exactamente.....

La verdad es que religión y creencia en dios empezó porque el ser humano no pudo entender el mundo natural. Entonces invento dioses de la luna, el sol y el viento por ejemplo.

Luego, cuando el humano fue mas avanzado, uso la religión y dios para controlar los que eran menos inteligente que los que tenían ese poder de dios es su lado, como sacerdotes y reyes.

Eso toda vía existe en el mundo de hoy. Ay lideres que usan la religión para controlar los mas ignorantes. Cuando gente se esta matando con bombas en lugares poblados eso es un extremismo que solamente viene de creencias en un dios.

Pero ciencia esta cambiando todo eso porque la información que tenemos ahora, es algo que ya muy poca gente puede negar, y va totalmente en contrario de lo que la religión predica.

Sake1
12-05-2012, 06:08 PM
La gran mayoria de la gente que tiene estas experiencias "sobrenaturales" son totalmente agenos a los campos de la ciencia que explicarian ese tipo de eventos. Por eso es que hoy en dia vemos menos y menos "milagros." Porque existen explicaciones cientificas a muchas de nuestras ideas falsas. Cadia dia vamos aprendiendo mas sobre nuestra existencia. Por eso, hoy en dia somos ateos a los dioses de las mitologias. Ya no creemos en zeus, thor, Amon ra, tlaloc, etc, porque tenemos una explicacion razonable y comprobable a todos estas experiencias. Solo nos falta uno mas.

You pretty much covered my thoughts. I've had talks about religion and how I feel about it with a few different people and one of my friends told me something like "Well, each person has his/her own opinions about it. I, personally, had something happen to me that made me believe." The thing is I don't see him as a religious person. I wonder if he feels obligated to stay loyal to his parents' beliefs since they're very religious.

In a way I myself don't want to so easily go against family's beliefs but I don't want to force myself not to either. I wonder if I'll get married through the church if I ever do and if I'll feel like a hypocrite. I do though straight up say "No" when once in a while my parents ask me if I'm going to attend mass or if I even pray at night.

There's people that go to church to feel like they're doing the right thing but don't feel it or pay attention at all. They can't tell you anything about the Bible. What's the point?

I have that part of me that feels bad for being agnostic and at times coming off as an atheist. Help, anyone? Lol.

UTEP
12-05-2012, 06:15 PM
Christian......... Team Jesus:boxing:


http://nikkigsblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/jesus1.jpg

Cleto_Reyes
12-05-2012, 06:21 PM
Exactamente.....

La verdad es que religión y creencia en dios empezó porque el ser humano no pudo entender el mundo natural. Entonces invento dioses de la luna, el sol y el viento por ejemplo.

Luego, cuando el humano fue mas avanzado, uso la religión y dios para controlar los que eran menos inteligente que los que tenían ese poder de dios es su lado, como sacerdotes y reyes.

Eso toda vía existe en el mundo de hoy. Ay lideres que usan la religión para controlar los mas ignorantes. Cuando gente se esta matando con bombas en lugares poblados eso es un extremismo que solamente viene de creencias en un dios.

Pero ciencia esta cambiando todo eso porque la información que tenemos ahora, es algo que ya muy poca gente puede negar, y va totalmente en contrario de lo que la religión predica.

The thing is for every fake there's a real. Do people use religion to control other people? yes but thats not all people. they just use that channel, doesnt mean every uses religion for that purpose. There are actually sincere people that have had an experience with God and believe in him and believe in an after life. They believe we have a purpose in life more than just to go through all the pleasures and live any old way. That why He put a conscious in us to deal with us and to be able to tell between right and wrong. We ignore it and go off our 5 senses which fail us miserably

Bretty Poy32
12-05-2012, 07:35 PM
relijioso de la demonio

RavshinRicRude
12-05-2012, 07:48 PM
so temo tu cres e la relegio de la science,

Yo creo en la religion de chichis de la guera en tu avi.......

-jose-
12-05-2012, 07:53 PM
Christian......... Team Jesus:boxing:


http://nikkigsblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/jesus1.jpg

I want that Jersey...:lol1:

RavshinRicRude
12-05-2012, 07:56 PM
I want that Jersey...:lol1:

Im in ..............id' rock it.........

-jose-
12-05-2012, 08:03 PM
Im in ..............id' rock it.........

I think they are only available in the Foot Locker in heaven so we have to wait :lol1:

UTEP
12-05-2012, 08:20 PM
I think they are only available in the Foot Locker in heaven so we have to wait :lol1:


I hope the swap meet don't try to make one first :rofl:

RavshinRicRude
12-05-2012, 08:56 PM
I hope the swap meet don't try to make one first :rofl:

I got a guy......he deals in Jerseys.....he can hook it up for only 79.99!!!:angel:

Optimistic
12-05-2012, 09:26 PM
Nacido y criado Catolico.

Ahora soy Agnostico..

UTEP
12-05-2012, 11:22 PM
I got a guy......he deals in Jerseys.....he can hook it up for only 79.99!!!:angel:


$79.99:eek: Can he throw in a couple cumbia cd's?

Cuauhtémoc1520
12-06-2012, 09:48 AM
The thing is for every fake there's a real. Do people use religion to control other people? yes but thats not all people. they just use that channel, doesnt mean every uses religion for that purpose. There are actually sincere people that have had an experience with God and believe in him and believe in an after life. They believe we have a purpose in life more than just to go through all the pleasures and live any old way. That why He put a conscious in us to deal with us and to be able to tell between right and wrong. We ignore it and go off our 5 senses which fail us miserably

With all due respect though, those are YOUR personal experiences and they don't show any proof of anything. I have had very emotional moments in my life that are experiences I could have attributed to "god".

Doesn't mean he/she/it exists. What you believe and what is real are two very different things. Just like I grew out of Santa Clause, I grew out of the stories from the Bible and the Catholic teachings I was raised with.

Like I said, religion and god are comforting to people, I get that. I just have issues when people go to the extreme. A force like religion is unbending, it claims to know everything and anything. The people who claim this knowledge want to see people that don't believe like them destroyed.

Before you say that's not true, I hear it all the time from my family that I'm going to burn in hell for my lack of belief, that's not a very Christian thing to say. Threatening with violence and burning in hell.

UTEP
12-06-2012, 10:25 AM
With all due respect though, those are YOUR personal experiences and they don't show any proof of anything. I have had very emotional moments in my life that are experiences I could have attributed to "god".

Doesn't mean he/she/it exists. What you believe and what is real are two very different things. Just like I grew out of Santa Clause, I grew out of the stories from the Bible and the Catholic teachings I was raised with.

Like I said, religion and god are comforting to people, I get that. I just have issues when people go to the extreme. A force like religion is unbending, it claims to know everything and anything. The people who claim this knowledge want to see people that don't believe like them destroyed.

Before you say that's not true, I hear it all the time from my family that I'm going to burn in hell for my lack of belief, that's not a very Christian thing to say. Threatening with violence and burning in hell.


No offence but not all religious people are like your family. I have been going to a Christian church for a couple of month's now and they are all very nice people. I've actually missed a couple services (crudo) and they didn't come hounding me down or threaten my soul with eternal damnation, they were actually concerned about my well being and asked if there was anything they could do to get my faith back up.

I'm not trying to preach man but there's a big difference between Jesus Christ and "Santa Clause".

Cuauhtémoc1520
12-06-2012, 10:29 AM
No offence but not all religious people are like your family. I have been going to a Christian church for a couple of month's now and they are all very nice people. I've actually missed a couple services (crudo) and they didn't come hounding me down or threaten my soul with eternal damnation, they were actually concerned about my well being and asked if there was anything they could do to get my faith back up.

I don't mean to preach man but there's a big difference between Jesus Christ and "Santa Clause".

Actually there is not much difference, sorry but you need to do your homework. Outside of the Bible, there's no evidence that Jesus even existed.

Also, my family does it in the same way, because they love me and don't want my soul lost. I get where Christians are coming from but it's just ridiculous when you look at it.

Do you know that the virgin birth, crucifixion, raising on the 3rd day, performing miracles, raising the dead, curing the blind and even being born on Dec 25th is not original to the Bible?

All of that was taken from previous religions and gods. When you look at the history of Christianity and all 3 Abrahamic religions, they are just regurgitations of other beliefs man, sorry to break this news to you but it's 100% true.

Now you can believe what you want, and I respect that. I understand it gives millions of people purpose and comfort but for me, the truth is much more important than "ignorance is bliss".

I'm not saying there is no god, I just don't take the Bible literally or any other religious book for that matter. All you have to do is study the history of each religion and you will find out how utterly ridiculous it really is. Talking snakes, living inside whales for 3 days, a great flood and the building of an ark, burning bushes......I mean come on bro.

PR13
12-06-2012, 10:39 AM
La mayoria de los Lations son Catolicos...ustedes que son???

Religion is for Sheeple!!!

-Johannes-
12-06-2012, 11:25 AM
so temo tu cres e la relegio de la science,

No existe la religion de la ciencia. Ya que un requisito de la religion es tener fé y la fé es la creencia ciega en algo que no es demonstrable. Tal cosa no puede existir en cualquier ramo cientifico. Ya que todo debe ser demonstrable y comprobable.



I'm not trying to preach man but there's a big difference between Jesus Christ and "Santa Clause".

Yeah there's a big difference there was a guy kind enough to give gifts away and was declared a saint and Jesus never existed.

If you talk about the mystical side, then there's no difference. Just like unicorns, the tooth fairy. There's more debatable "proof" that big foot exists than there is demonstrable evidence that a god exists.

UTEP
12-06-2012, 11:51 AM
I aint mad at ya...................Team Jesus all day:boxing:


http://www.yahweh4lifeessentials.com/500_500_csupload_33813501.jpg?u=1419181572

Cleto_Reyes
12-06-2012, 11:55 AM
Actually there is not much difference, sorry but you need to do your homework. Outside of the Bible, there's no evidence that Jesus even existed.

Also, my family does it in the same way, because they love me and don't want my soul lost. I get where Christians are coming from but it's just ridiculous when you look at it.

Do you know that the virgin birth, crucifixion, raising on the 3rd day, performing miracles, raising the dead, curing the blind and even being born on Dec 25th is not original to the Bible?

All of that was taken from previous religions and gods. When you look at the history of Christianity and all 3 Abrahamic religions, they are just regurgitations of other beliefs man, sorry to break this news to you but it's 100% true.

Now you can believe what you want, and I respect that. I understand it gives millions of people purpose and comfort but for me, the truth is much more important than "ignorance is bliss".

I'm not saying there is no god, I just don't take the Bible literally or any other religious book for that matter. All you have to do is study the history of each religion and you will find out how utterly ridiculous it really is. Talking snakes, living inside whales for 3 days, a great flood and the building of an ark, burning bushes......I mean come on bro.

check this out

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-exist-historical-evidence-jesus-christ/

Cleto_Reyes
12-06-2012, 11:58 AM
With all due respect though, those are YOUR personal experiences and they don't show any proof of anything. I have had very emotional moments in my life that are experiences I could have attributed to "god".

Doesn't mean he/she/it exists. What you believe and what is real are two very different things. Just like I grew out of Santa Clause, I grew out of the stories from the Bible and the Catholic teachings I was raised with.

Like I said, religion and god are comforting to people, I get that. I just have issues when people go to the extreme. A force like religion is unbending, it claims to know everything and anything. The people who claim this knowledge want to see people that don't believe like them destroyed.

Before you say that's not true, I hear it all the time from my family that I'm going to burn in hell for my lack of belief, that's not a very Christian thing to say. Threatening with violence and burning in hell.

exactly they are mine everyone has to have their own. The bible says no man can come to me unless my father draws him first. So yeah i dont expect you to believe or anyone for the matter to take my word for it. You have to have your own experience which will bring faith in your heart to believe such things...

-Johannes-
12-06-2012, 12:28 PM
check this out

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-exist-historical-evidence-jesus-christ/

Sorry to break it to you as you are a good and honest guy but the people behind religion are not.


11th century monk corrects Tacitus: "Goodies" to read "Christians"!

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/IMAGES/chrestos.jpg
Ultraviolet photo of a critical word from the earliest known extant manuscript of Tacitus (second Medicean, Laurentian library, Italy).

The photograph reveals that the word purportedly used by Tacitus in Annals 15.44, chrestianos ("the good"), has been overwritten as christianos ("the Christians") by a later hand, a deceit which explains the excessive space between the letters and the exaggerated "dot" (dash) above the new "i". The entire "torched Christians" passage of Tacitus is not only fake, it has been repeatedly "worked over" by fraudsters to improve its value as evidence for the Jesus myth.

The truth may be that there was an original gnostic cult following a personified virtue, "Jesus Chrestos" (Jesus the Good). Consequently, they were called Chrestians, an appellation which seems to have attached itself at an early date to the sectarians of the "heretic" Marcion. Support for this possibility comes from the earliest known "Christian" inscription, found in the 19th century on a Marcionite church at Deir Ali, three miles south of Damascus. Dated to circa 318, the inscription reads "The meeting-house of the Marcionists, in the village of Lebaba, of the Lord and Saviour Jesus the Good", using the word Chrestos, not Christos.

As a flesh-and-blood, "historical" Jesus gradually eclipsed the allegorical Jesus so, too, did "goodness" get eclipsed by "Messiahship". Justin, in his First Apology (4), about thirty years after the death of Tacitus, plays on the similarity in sound of the two words ***935;***961;***953;***963;***964;***8056;***962; (Christ) and ***967;***961;***951;***963;***964;***8056;***962; (good, excellent) to argue for the wholesome, commendable character of Jesus followers.

If you want to read the 4 pages on this here's the link
http://www.textexcavation.com/documents/zaratacituschrestianos.pdf

RavshinRicRude
12-06-2012, 12:57 PM
Sorry to break it to you as you are a good and honest guy but the people behind religion are not.




If you want to read the 4 pages on this here's the link
http://www.textexcavation.com/documents/zaratacituschrestianos.pdf

Im THEEE most un-relgious kat around.....I do believe in a higher power (be it called God Jesus or something I don't know of...or perhaps don't have the cerebral capacity to comprehend....) but I have many many issues with organized region as it was then and is today...but I digress...

Yours statement above is at best "unfair" it is these type of generalizations that cause wars.....just sayin....

-Johannes-
12-06-2012, 01:07 PM
Im THEEE most un-relgious kat around.....I do believe in a higher power (be it called God Jesus or something I don't know of...or perhaps don't have the cerebral capacity to comprehend....) but I have many many issues with organized region as it was then and is today...but I digress...

Yours statement above is at best "unfair" it is these type of generalizations that cause wars.....just sayin....

How is it unfair? The followers are in general warm hearted people, but people behind organized religion are dishonest. Prove me wrong.

Cleto_Reyes
12-06-2012, 02:13 PM
Sorry to break it to you as you are a good and honest guy but the people behind religion are not.




If you want to read the 4 pages on this here's the link
http://www.textexcavation.com/documents/zaratacituschrestianos.pdf

As ive said before there will be your bad with your good. Its like saying all human are murderers or rapists just because a number of them are. There are crooks , rapists , murderers all in the name of religion. Thats not what i stand for or who i follow.

Cuauhtémoc1520
12-06-2012, 02:26 PM
check this out

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-exist-historical-evidence-jesus-christ/

You do realize that everything that is posted in that link has been disproved right?

For example, the reference to Josephus about "Christ", later referred to the same man as Jesus, the son of Damneus. This is who he was referring to.

Church historian Eusebius later was found out to have inserted the term "Christ" in that very text. So not only did it come later but was put in dishonestly.

In all actuality, church historians have now admitted that Josephus is a BAD reference when trying to prove the existence of Jesus the man. If he did know about him, he would have wrote much more extensively of him.

See, I studied all these things you linked. I wanted to know for myself and know the truth and the Bible as a whole was re-written by man many times and many books were left out because it did not coincide with what the church at the time wanted to portray.

There is no concrete proof that a man named Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah ever existed and there are many references of supposed Messiahs that came at that time period, just to let you know.

-Johannes-
12-06-2012, 03:01 PM
You do realize that everything that is posted in that link has been disproved right?

For example, the reference to Josephus about "Christ", later referred to the same man as Jesus, the son of Damneus. This is who he was referring to.

Church historian Eusebius later was found out to have inserted the term "Christ" in that very text. So not only did it come later but was put in dishonestly.

In all actuality, church historians have now admitted that Josephus is a BAD reference when trying to prove the existence of Jesus the man. If he did know about him, he would have wrote much more extensively of him.

See, I studied all these things you linked. I wanted to know for myself and know the truth and the Bible as a whole was re-written by man many times and many books were left out because it did not coincide with what the church at the time wanted to portray.

There is no concrete proof that a man named Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah ever existed and there are many references of supposed Messiahs that came at that time period, just to let you know.

This is what I'm saying, there's as much REAL proof that the missiah Jesus existed as there is with Big foot. Much of it is man-made.

Being a "man of god" doesn't give you the right to be dishonest in order to make religion more credible.

Cuauhtémoc1520
12-06-2012, 03:11 PM
This is what I'm saying, there's as much REAL proof that the missiah Jesus existed as there is with Big foot. Much of it is man-made.

Being a "man of god" doesn't give you the right to be dishonest in order to make religion more credible.

Well but this is the thing. Even if Christ the man existed, it doesn't mean he was god. So I don't have a problem with Christ actually being a real person and if You ask me, I think he was just going by what the New Testament said.

I think Christ is one of the most influential men to ever walk the earth and his teachings were great. Him being a living god is another story all together.

We need to understand that religions often make stuff up all the time. For example, why Jerusalem is even a Holy city to Muslims is beyond me because supposedly it is because the the Dome of the Rock is where Mohamed went to heaven. Yet there is no evidence that Mohamed was even in Jerusalem...NONE. He never made it to that area of the world.

Underboss
12-06-2012, 04:05 PM
Gotta love religion.

RavshinRicRude
12-06-2012, 04:23 PM
How is it unfair? The followers are in general warm hearted people, but people behind organized religion are dishonest. Prove me wrong.

For the most part blanket statements are unfair is all im saying...I am sure there are some people behind organized religion that are NOT dishonest....they maybe few and far between but im sure they are out there...

Your comment would be akin to me saying "All people who don't' believe in religion are bad people" I don't believe in religion....and im not a bad person...see what I mean?

RavshinRicRude
12-06-2012, 04:23 PM
Gotta love religion.

Or hate it........:cop:

Cleto_Reyes
12-06-2012, 05:27 PM
good video

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UTEP
12-06-2012, 05:30 PM
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Cuauhtémoc1520
12-06-2012, 05:49 PM
good video

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So your going to ignore my post and just put videos on to do your talking?

Damn Cleto, I never thought you got down like that. Like I said man, the fact you believe in a god is cool with me and I have no issue over it. I think it's great that you find comfort in god, but like I said, for me, I need the truth brother. I can't let a bed time story give me comfort. I need the cold hard truth about life, where we come from and what is possibly out there.

Cleto_Reyes
12-06-2012, 06:14 PM
You do realize that everything that is posted in that link has been disproved right?

For example, the reference to Josephus about "Christ", later referred to the same man as Jesus, the son of Damneus. This is who he was referring to.

Church historian Eusebius later was found out to have inserted the term "Christ" in that very text. So not only did it come later but was put in dishonestly.

In all actuality, church historians have now admitted that Josephus is a BAD reference when trying to prove the existence of Jesus the man. If he did know about him, he would have wrote much more extensively of him.

See, I studied all these things you linked. I wanted to know for myself and know the truth and the Bible as a whole was re-written by man many times and many books were left out because it did not coincide with what the church at the time wanted to portray.

There is no concrete proof that a man named Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah ever existed and there are many references of supposed Messiahs that came at that time period, just to let you know.

didnt mean to ignore this one but where and who disprovesthats Jesus isnt real?

Cleto_Reyes
12-06-2012, 06:17 PM
So your going to ignore my post and just put videos on to do your talking?

Damn Cleto, I never thought you got down like that. Like I said man, the fact you believe in a god is cool with me and I have no issue over it. I think it's great that you find comfort in god, but like I said, for me, I need the truth brother. I can't let a bed time story give me comfort. I need the cold hard truth about life, where we come from and what is possibly out there.

Thats the thing it isnt a bed time story to those who have experienced God. Its more than a book of stories. Ill pray that God will get ahold of you one day and you will realize one day that what man calls foolish is the truth anyhow. It not about joining a religion its about having an experience with your creator.

RavshinRicRude
12-06-2012, 08:49 PM
So your going to ignore my post and just put videos on to do your talking?

Damn Cleto, I never thought you got down like that. Like I said man, the fact you believe in a god is cool with me and I have no issue over it. I think it's great that you find comfort in god, but like I said, for me, I need the truth brother. I can't let a bed time story give me comfort. I need the cold hard truth about life, where we come from and what is possibly out there.

Cuauh do you subscribe to the theory that the Truth is subjective????

AztecWanker
12-06-2012, 10:16 PM
So your going to ignore my post and just put videos on to do your talking?

Damn Cleto, I never thought you got down like that. Like I said man, the fact you believe in a god is cool with me and I have no issue over it. I think it's great that you find comfort in god, but like I said, for me, I need the truth brother. I can't let a bed time story give me comfort. I need the cold hard truth about life, where we come from and what is possibly out there.

Exactly right which is why I worship something that's actually real, like Antonio MarGODito.

MEXGBP
12-06-2012, 11:10 PM
Actually there is not much difference, sorry but you need to do your homework. Outside of the Bible, there's no evidence that Jesus even existed.

Also, my family does it in the same way, because they love me and don't want my soul lost. I get where Christians are coming from but it's just ridiculous when you look at it.

Do you know that the virgin birth, crucifixion, raising on the 3rd day, performing miracles, raising the dead, curing the blind and even being born on Dec 25th is not original to the Bible?

All of that was taken from previous religions and gods. When you look at the history of Christianity and all 3 Abrahamic religions, they are just regurgitations of other beliefs man, sorry to break this news to you but it's 100% true.

Now you can believe what you want, and I respect that. I understand it gives millions of people purpose and comfort but for me, the truth is much more important than "ignorance is bliss".

I'm not saying there is no god, I just don't take the Bible literally or any other religious book for that matter. All you have to do is study the history of each religion and you will find out how utterly ridiculous it really is. Talking snakes, living inside whales for 3 days, a great flood and the building of an ark, burning bushes......I mean come on bro.

so you do believe in god, eso ya es buen comienso, dijera mi pastor la biblia es una parabola, tienes que tener la llave para poder comensar a entenderla,
ser cristiano solo quiere decir que cres en cristo como tu salvador, que estas respaldado del sacerdocio de jesus cristo, pero hay mucho niveles de sabiduria entre los mismos cristianos,

MEXGBP
12-06-2012, 11:27 PM
[QUOTE=-Johannes-;12775380]No existe la religion de la ciencia. Ya que un requisito de la religion es tener fé y la fé es la creencia ciega en algo que no es demonstrable. Tal cosa no puede existir en cualquier ramo cientifico. Ya que todo debe ser demonstrable y comprobable.



claro que si es demostrable solo para los que tienen fe, :boxing:

si fueran demostrable y comprobable no se llamaran theorias, no te comas esas pastillita,

MEXGBP
12-06-2012, 11:29 PM
exactly they are mine everyone has to have their own. The bible says no man can come to me unless my father draws him first. So yeah i dont expect you to believe or anyone for the matter to take my word for it. You have to have your own experience which will bring faith in your heart to believe such things...

estas fregon reyes, que se me hace que eres pastor

MEXGBP
12-06-2012, 11:53 PM
You do realize that everything that is posted in that link has been disproved right?

For example, the reference to Josephus about "Christ", later referred to the same man as Jesus, the son of Damneus. This is who he was referring to.

Church historian Eusebius later was found out to have inserted the term "Christ" in that very text. So not only did it come later but was put in dishonestly.

In all actuality, church historians have now admitted that Josephus is a BAD reference when trying to prove the existence of Jesus the man. If he did know about him, he would have wrote much more extensively of him.

See, I studied all these things you linked. I wanted to know for myself and know the truth and the Bible as a whole was re-written by man many times and many books were left out because it did not coincide with what the church at the time wanted to portray.

There is no concrete proof that a man named Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah ever existed and there are many references of supposed Messiahs that came at that time period, just to let you know.

cualquier buen pastor tedira que la biblia es como una maquina de engranes bien engrasada, todo cuadra en la biblia,
tu primer gran error es de tratar de entender la biblia con tu cerebro, esas son cosas que se sienten cuando es tu tiempo,
connect with the source and you will have your on answer with out looking in books. eso es neta

MEXGBP
12-07-2012, 12:32 AM
So your going to ignore my post and just put videos on to do your talking?

Damn Cleto, I never thought you got down like that. Like I said man, the fact you believe in a god is cool with me and I have no issue over it. I think it's great that you find comfort in god, but like I said, for me, I need the truth brother. I can't let a bed time story give me comfort. I need the cold hard truth about life, where we come from and what is possibly out there.

you are not going to find the truth reading the internet, connect to the source and you will know your own truth,

RedDevil5
12-07-2012, 12:40 AM
Exactly right which is why I worship something that's actually real, like Antonio MarGODito.

If Margarito is God, what is Cotto?

thuggery
12-07-2012, 01:53 AM
If Margarito is God, what is Cotto?

The guy who was forced upon thee to "knee"l before his God.

controlmachete
12-07-2012, 04:14 AM
The guy who was forced upon thee to "knee"l before his God.

lmao! an infidel who saw the light.... along with stars and that bell that always sounds when el chapulin colorado hits you with el chipote chillon...

:D

-Johannes-
12-07-2012, 12:22 PM
For the most part blanket statements are unfair is all im saying...I am sure there are some people behind organized religion that are NOT dishonest....they maybe few and far between but im sure they are out there...

Your comment would be akin to me saying "All people who don't' believe in religion are bad people" I don't believe in religion....and im not a bad person...see what I mean?

Go back and read my first post. I never claimed EVERY single person behind organized religion are dishonest because some actually believe what they're told. However, people behing religion are dishonest and the prime example is the pope and the history behind popes. Mega christian churches with their extremely wealthy pastors exploiting people's faith. I ackowledge that there are more honest believers but the dishonest ones overpower the good people because they're so influential in the already sheep like followers.

[QUOTE=-Johannes-;12775380]No existe la religion de la ciencia. Ya que un requisito de la religion es tener fé y la fé es la creencia ciega en algo que no es demonstrable. Tal cosa no puede existir en cualquier ramo cientifico. Ya que todo debe ser demonstrable y comprobable.



claro que si es demostrable solo para los que tienen fe, :boxing:

si fueran demostrable y comprobable no se llamaran theorias, no te comas esas pastillita,

Claro que no. Has visto los varios experimentos donde se hacen rezos masivos los cuales no hacen nada? Gente llena de fe que reza con toda su conviccion que al final no sirve. Pero claro, ser religioso y ser dios es muy conveniente. Si los rezos no funcionan, dicen que dios trabaja de una manera misteriosa. Un sistema infantil.

cualquier buen pastor tedira que la biblia es como una maquina de engranes bien engrasada, todo cuadra en la biblia,
tu primer gran error es de tratar de entender la biblia con tu cerebro, esas son cosas que se sienten cuando es tu tiempo,
connect with the source and you will have your on answer with out looking in books. eso es neta

Esto es totalmente falso, pero como dije enteriormente. Las creencias religiosas son faciles y convenientes. Si algo les sale mal, dicen que no debes ser logico y no usar tu cerebro.

Lo siento pero yo soy una persona racional.

If you ask me there's no other way to decipher this passage from a jealous and psychotic and egocentric man:

"So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
[Revelation 2:22-23]
Pretty straight forward and straight from the new testament.

jtcs1981
12-07-2012, 02:07 PM
Mi familia es Pentecostal. Fui criado en la doctrina Pentecostal y les puedo asegurar que dentro del cristianismo es la religion mas dificil de seguir. Todo es doctrina y dogma.

Yo, deje la religion. Pero me lleva las cosas importantes. Analize todo y llegue a conclusiones. Estoy en contra de los que usan a Dios y a Jesus para justificar sus religiones, sus guerras y todo lo negativo que hacen. Pero jamas usare un tono burlon por su fe ni tratare de ridiculizar a ninguno que piense que su creencia es la verdad.

RavshinRicRude
12-07-2012, 02:23 PM
How is it unfair? The followers are in general warm hearted people, but people behind organized religion are dishonest. Prove me wrong.

Sorry to break it to you as you are a good and honest guy but the people behind religion are not.


Go back and read my first post. I never claimed EVERY single person behind organized religion are dishonest because some actually believe what they're told. However, people behing religion are dishonest and the prime example is the pope and the history behind popes. Mega christian churches with their extremely wealthy pastors exploiting people's faith. I ackowledge that there are more honest believers but the dishonest ones overpower the good people because they're so influential in the already sheep like followers.


That is all I wanted you to acknowledge...I've made my point and you have proved me right...

Religion still sux.....FOR ME.......

-Johannes-
12-07-2012, 02:40 PM
That is all I wanted you to acknowledge...I've made my point and you have proved me right...

Religion still sux.....FOR ME.......

That I generealized? Of course I did. Generalizations are not always wrong. I know not everyone fits the category but my point is stil valid. People behind organized religion are dishonest. I know who exactly I'm addressing with my statement. Like I said prove me wrong.

RavshinRicRude
12-07-2012, 03:07 PM
That I generealized? Of course I did. Generalizations are not always wrong. I know not everyone fits the category but my point is stil valid. People behind organized religion are dishonest. I know who exactly I'm addressing with my statement. Like I said prove me wrong.

This will suffice towards the validity of my point...I've been proven right....no need to go any further for me....

ELHURACAN58
12-07-2012, 05:24 PM
So your going to ignore my post and just put videos on to do your talking?

Damn Cleto, I never thought you got down like that. Like I said man, the fact you believe in a god is cool with me and I have no issue over it. I think it's great that you find comfort in god, but like I said, for me, I need the truth brother. I can't let a bed time story give me comfort. I need the cold hard truth about life, where we come from and what is possibly out there.


Mi familia es Pentecostal. Fui criado en la doctrina Pentecostal y les puedo asegurar que dentro del cristianismo es la religion mas dificil de seguir. Todo es doctrina y dogma.

Yo, deje la religion. Pero me lleva las cosas importantes. Analize todo y llegue a conclusiones. Estoy en contra de los que usan a Dios y a Jesus para justificar sus religiones, sus guerras y todo lo negativo que hacen. Pero jamas usare un tono burlon por su fe ni tratare de ridiculizar a ninguno que piense que su creencia es la verdad.

That is all I wanted you to acknowledge...I've made my point and you have proved me right...

Religion still sux.....FOR ME.......


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RavshinRicRude
12-07-2012, 05:31 PM
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