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Marquez tells Pacquiao to get ready for big war

by Emmanuel B. Villaruel
January 9, 2005

International Boxing Federation and World Boxing Association featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez of Mexico boldly declared that his second fight against Filipino ring star Manny Pacquiao will be a war.

Marquez expressed doubts though on Pacquiao’s readiness to challenge him anew, prompting the Mexican dual champion to dare the General Santos City-native ring punisher not to make any excuses that may derail their February 26 rematch in Las Vegas.

“A postponement isn’t possible. We have an obligation to television and to our fans to be in the ring and ready to fight. We must arrive there in top condition and any last minute protest about an injury, just would not be valid. I’m expecting this second fight will be a war, and I’m preparing accordingly,” Marquez told Boxingscene.com.

Marquez has trained very hard for more than a month now and will start sparring sessions next Wednesday. In contrast, Pacquiao has yet to start his preparations for the highly-anticipated return bout.

Inspite of that, Marquez admits that it’s going to be a tough and great fight ahead.

“It’s going to be one tough fight. I know his style and he knows mine, and I’m sure it’s going to be a really great fight. I’m sure Manny will train hard and not underestimate his current opponent who’s waiting for him up in the ring,” said Marquez.

The two decorated and powerful boxers first clashed on May 9, 2004 at the MGM Grand Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, where Marquez miraculously survived three knockdowns in the first round and went on to forge a controversial split draw with Pacquiao over 12 heats.

Presently, the scheduled rematch is in serious jeopardy as Marquez wants more money for the fight against Pacquiao.

While Pacquiao is guaranteed $900,000 purse, Marquez demanded $1.5 million or double than the $750,000 initially dangled by Top Rank big boss Bom Arum, the handler of Marquez.

Marquez argued that he must get the lion’s share of the purse because he is the champion who will stake not just one but two prestigious belts, but American promoter Murad Muhammad insisted that it is Pacquiao who should receive the bigger paycheck being the main attraction.

the thing that puzzles me is why does JMM keep saying no excuses about last minute injuries? i wouldnt be susrpise if something happened to Mp b4 fight night...hmm very suspicious

the thing that puzzles me is why does JMM keep saying no excuses about last minute injuries? i wouldnt be susrpise if something happened to Mp b4 fight night...hmm very suspicious
hmmm... are you trying to say that he knows something about Manny's condition? that's something new.

That's because JMM's camp is planning something evil. Perhaps a crow bar to the knee? Very suspicious indeed.

But seriously though. Both fighter have figure each other out. So they would either go to war or be very cautious from one another. But knowing Pac's style, we would not hesitate to go to war. Marquez in the other hand. Seen his last fight?

hmmm... are you trying to say that he knows something about Manny's condition? that's something new.

Or Manny Pacquiao will get conveniently "hurt" before the fight. Hmmmm

he's obviously saying it so that there is no "socks" or "i had injury during training" excuses.

he's obviously saying it so that there is no "socks" or "i had injury during training" excuses.

Thats the impression I got too ;)

Or Manny Pacquiao will get conveniently "hurt" before the fight. Hmmmm
pare bakit kaya hindi ko maopen ang pinoy thread? kahapon pa ako nagoopen, wala talaga...blocked yata dito, kasi may laman siyang madownload kantutan..

pare bakit kaya hindi ko maopen ang pinoy thread? kahapon pa ako nagoopen, wala talaga...blocked yata dito, kasi may laman siyang madownload kantutan..

bro wala naman akong problema pumasok. hangang ngayon hdi ka pa makapasok?

oo 'tol, kagabi pa ayaw, pero itong ibang thread, nakakapasok nman ako..problema talaga...

oo 'tol, kagabi pa ayaw, pero itong ibang thread, nakakapasok nman ako..problema talaga...

anong sinasabi pag nag click ka sa Pinoy lang?

anong sinasabi pag nag click ka sa Pinoy lang?
network connection error... :mad:

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hmmmm wiierd talaga pre. Try mo tong link para sa thread na yun.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=109884#post109884

kundi parin maayos, tanonging mo na lang kaya si Rick okaya PM mo si kepsy.

hmmmm wiierd talaga pre. Try mo tong link para sa thread na yun.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=109884#post109884

kundi parin maayos, tanonging mo na lang kaya si Rick okaya PM mo si kepsy.
ayaw talaga pare.ganito lumalabas..muslim country kasi dito sa amin..baka blocked itong thread na ito na..

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ayaw talaga pare.ganito lumalabas..muslim country kasi dito sa amin..baka blocked itong thread na ito na..

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ayaw talaga..gusto ko lang kasi iDL yung page 540 na inilagay ni nadz_melch..'langya talaga...

pareng mooks puede ba ipadala mo na lang sa akin yung downloadable version nung page 540 na pekpek ni pareng nadz?? ty..

That's because JMM's camp is planning something evil. Perhaps a crow bar to the knee? Very suspicious indeed.

But seriously though. Both fighter have figure each other out. So they would either go to war or be very cautious from one another. But knowing Pac's style, we would not hesitate to go to war. Marquez in the other hand. Seen his last fight?

that's what i've been saying all along...this battle will start from a psy-war...and beristain thinks he's phil jackson...while team pac has the entire filipino press/media to back it up... :D

pareng mooks puede ba ipadala mo na lang sa akin yung downloadable version nung page 540 na pekpek ni pareng nadz?? ty..

bro anong downloadable version? Saan yun?

bro anong downloadable version? Saan yun?

sa pinoy thread pare page 540..183 MB..ang tagal iDL..suko na ako..pekpek galing kay nadz_melch

bro anong downloadable version? Saan yun?
D:\Program Files\JOEL FOLDER\SIX

D:\Program Files\JOEL FOLDER\SIX

bro ano ang connection mo

bro ano ang connection mo
dial up connection bro..ang bagal..sabi sa download box, 17 hours, e ang mahal ng internet dito..5 dirhams/ hour..mga 75 pesos.. :mad:

bro ano ang connection mo

bro paano maglagay ng picture sa webpage ko..ang hirap kanina pa ako nagtatry..

he's obviously saying it so that there is no "socks" or "i had injury during training" excuses.
the issue is last minute injury. i dont think injuries from training counts. its more like anytime within the day before the fight thing or somethin close to that.

Sports News

Marquez tells Pacquiao to get ready for big war

by Emmanuel B. Villaruel
January 9, 2005

International Boxing Federation and World Boxing Association featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez of Mexico boldly declared that his second fight against Filipino ring star Manny Pacquiao will be a war.

Marquez expressed doubts though on Pacquiao’s readiness to challenge him anew, prompting the Mexican dual champion to dare the General Santos City-native ring punisher not to make any excuses that may derail their February 26 rematch in Las Vegas.

“A postponement isn’t possible. We have an obligation to television and to our fans to be in the ring and ready to fight. We must arrive there in top condition and any last minute protest about an injury, just would not be valid. I’m expecting this second fight will be a war, and I’m preparing accordingly,” Marquez told Boxingscene.com.
Marquez has trained very hard for more than a month now and will start sparring sessions next Wednesday. In contrast, Pacquiao has yet to start his preparations for the highly-anticipated return bout.

Inspite of that, Marquez admits that it’s going to be a tough and great fight ahead.

“It’s going to be one tough fight. I know his style and he knows mine, and I’m sure it’s going to be a really great fight. I’m sure Manny will train hard and not underestimate his current opponent who’s waiting for him up in the ring,” said Marquez.

The two decorated and powerful boxers first clashed on May 9, 2004 at the MGM Grand Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, where Marquez miraculously survived three knockdowns in the first round and went on to forge a controversial split draw with Pacquiao over 12 heats.

Presently, the scheduled rematch is in serious jeopardy as Marquez wants more money for the fight against Pacquiao.

While Pacquiao is guaranteed $900,000 purse, Marquez demanded $1.5 million or double than the $750,000 initially dangled by Top Rank big boss Bom Arum, the handler of Marquez.

Marquez argued that he must get the lion’s share of the purse because he is the champion who will stake not just one but two prestigious belts, but American promoter Murad Muhammad insisted that it is Pacquiao who should receive the bigger paycheck being the main attraction.
if JMM's statement here is true, why the f*** wont he sign the f***'n contract? cmon Marquez, if you realy are not a chicken gay, what's keepin' you fron signing? all it takes is sign the the F***'n contract!

if JMM's statement here is true, why the f*** wont he sign the f***'n contract? cmon Marquez, if you realy are not a chicken gay, what's keepin' you fron signing? all it takes is sign the the F***'n contract!
lol that was another redcolous news from marquez :(

guys i really want to see PAC finish unsettled business with JMM first and foremost but if Top Rank is offering EM for March 19, that is fine with me ...

i guess JMM will loose out on this if he keeps on holding back, unless by chance or luck he gets a crack with MAB...

guys i really want to see PAC finish unsettled business with JMM first and foremost but if Top Rank is offering EM for March 19, that is fine with me ...

i guess JMM will loose out on this if he keeps on holding back, unless by chance or luck he gets a crack with MAB...

i think what's happening right now with JMM is to make all the necessary noise so that he will catch the attention of the media..anyway, this may be a good plot being hatched ny his handlers to draw more viewers in their upcoming fight with the pacman..it's a free media coverage, like what actors and actresses are doing when they have a film nearly to be shown in the movie houses..they create a controversy, so that people will dig what's going on..and that's it..just my opinion..

guys i really want to see PAC finish unsettled business with JMM first and foremost but if Top Rank is offering EM for March 19, that is fine with me ...

i guess JMM will loose out on this if he keeps on holding back, unless by chance or luck he gets a crack with MAB...
if i were MAB, i wont fight JMM. this is coz JMM is no worthy opponent. he backs out on return bouts. Pacman is the worthy opponent for MAB coz he needs revenge. if Pac-JMM2 wont work, i think Pac-MAB is the best alternative. i'd bet both would want to fight each other a lot.

i think what's happening right now with JMM is to make all the necessary noise so that he will catch the attention of the media..anyway, this may be a good plot being hatched ny his handlers to draw more viewers in their upcoming fight with the pacman..it's a free media coverage, like what actors and actresses are doing when they have a film nearly to be shown in the movie houses..they create a controversy, so that people will dig what's going on..and that's it..just my opinion..

buddy i think your brewing something there, its a possiblity, or the same ploy used by TEAM MARQUEZ last time, that why they where able to squeeze the purse and split in half with the PAC ...

buddy i think your brewing something there, its a possiblity, or the same ploy used by TEAM MARQUEZ last time, that why they where able to squeeze the purse and split in half with the PAC ...

Maybe, but I dont see where they need any help in getting peoples interest in this rematch..its already highly anticipated as it is! :eek:

its just an excuse so that he wont be fighting. plain and simple. that clearly showed what kind of fighter he is when he's facing the PAcman.

its just an excuse so that he wont be fighting. plain and simple. that clearly showed what kind of fighter he is when he's facing the PAcman.

Well, thats your opinion, and thats fine. But, I personally dont believe that JMM is afraid of Pac..not at all.

But, I personally dont believe that JMM is afraid of Pac..not at all.

JMM is not afraid, maybe. But he should not talk about going to war with Pacman, when he has not sign the contract yet.

He loves to talk coz he knows he's not in the harms way!!

JMM is not afraid, maybe. But he should not talk about going to war with Pacman, when he has not sign the contract yet.

He loves to talk coz he knows he's not in the harms way!!

Nobody wishes they'd go at it again more than me. I dont know what the real deal is (nobody here does either..not for sure) but I just have a problem believing its fear..no way :confused:

Nobody wishes they'd go at it again more than me. I dont know what the real deal is (nobody here does either..not for sure) but I just have a problem believing its fear..no way :confused:


Only the Pac fans think Marquez is scared. Marquez WILL pick Pacman apart if they fight again.

Only the Pac fans think Marquez is scared. Marquez WILL pick Pacman apart if they fight again.


Pacfans think Marquez is smart...we're just saying he's scared so he can change his mind and fight PAC!! :p

Pacfans think Marquez is smart...we're just saying he's scared so he can change his mind and fight PAC!! :p

well, that logic might work, if JMM had time to check out boxing forums :confused:

Well, thats your opinion, and thats fine. But, I personally dont believe that JMM is afraid of Pac..not at all.
we all know JMM is asking for a purse that is just too imposible for him. why do you think he insisted for it and aford to let the rematch get out of his hand if he's not scared? i just cant think of a good reason why he'd do that. he could have asked for a reasonable purse but never $1.5M. or if ever the purse was not granted, he should have faught Pacman anyway and prove himself. afterwards get a PPV bout against MAB or Morales so he could get that purse he's been dreamin'. like what Pac's been enjoying now. peace. :)

Only the Pac fans think Marquez is scared. Marquez WILL pick Pacman apart if they fight again.
all talk but never realy signed the contract to prove it. why does JMM always keeps his fans talk for him and not prove it in the ring to get it all settled?

we all know JMM is asking for a purse that is just too imposible for him. why do you think he insisted for it and aford to let the rematch get out of his hand if he's not scared? i just cant think of a good reason why he'd do that. he could have asked for a reasonable purse but never $1.5M. or if ever the purse was not granted, he should have faught Pacman anyway and prove himself. afterwards get a PPV bout against MAB or Morales so he could get that purse he's been dreamin'. like what Pac's been enjoying now. peace. :)

NOBODY but Marquez knows for sure what's in his head, so I wouldnt be so quick to label it "fear". The whole idea is just rediculous. Thats the same as calling him a coward..something he is NOT! Hopefully one day he'll either fight him again and shut everyone up on that issue, or he'll be able to give a good reason as to what he's up to.

NOBODY but Marquez knows for sure what's in his head, so I wouldnt be so quick to label it "fear". The whole idea is just rediculous. Thats the same as calling him a coward..something he is NOT! Hopefully one day he'll either fight him again and shut everyone up on that issue, or he'll be able to give a good reason as to what he's up to.

Well, I don't think JMM is a COWARD. I don't think it's fear of Manny that's stopping him, more like fear of losing everything he had worked for. These guys are proffesional fighters and when you get in there with so many guys who are willing to put you to sleep, the "fear" for your opponent disappears. It's the "what ifs" that makes them second guess. What if Manny beats him? What will happen to his stock? He was a top dog holding 2 belts, what happens if he loses to a fighter who's exploding into the scene where he was dominating? I think it's these insecurities that's stopping him instead of fear for the Pacman.

Well, I don't think JMM is a COWARD. I don't think it's fear of Manny that's stopping him, more like fear of losing everything he had worked for. These guys are proffesional fighters and when you get in there with so many guys who are willing to put you to sleep, the "fear" for your opponent disappears. It's the "what ifs" that makes them second guess. What if Manny beats him? What will happen to his stock? He was a top dog holding 2 belts, what happens if he loses to a fighter who's exploding into the scene where he was dominating? I think it's these insecurities that's stopping him instead of fear for the Pacman.

Now this theory I can accept..its only natural that an established fighter would have those concerns, so yeah, I buy that ;) I do hope though sometime in the future that JMM get's over it, or whatever , and gives Manny the rematch he promised him!!!

Now this theory I can accept..its only natural that an established fighter would have those concerns, so yeah, I buy that ;) I do hope though sometime in the future that JMM get's over it, or whatever , and gives Manny the rematch he promised him!!!

I'm sure he will. Might even be a smart move to hold out. Imagine if Manny beats Morales. JMM will cling on him like a rash. Now the rematch would draw so much more people and he might actually get that 1.5 mil that he wanted so much.

I'm sure he will. Might even be a smart move to hold out. Imagine if Manny beats Morales. JMM will cling on him like a rash. Now the rematch would draw so much more people and he might actually get that 1.5 mil that he wanted so much.

too true Mooks...like a rash?? Oh man, thats gross and funny all at the same time (never heard it put quite like that before :D ) If pac beats Morales then JMM would have no choice really but to face him again..other than fighting Morales or Barrera he is pretty much out of choices, and in that situation (Pac beating Morales) pac would definately be the man to beat.

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Pacquiao tells Marquez to get ready for a rematch with Derrick "Smoke" Gainer!

NOBODY but Marquez knows for sure what's in his head, so I wouldnt be so quick to label it "fear". The whole idea is just rediculous. Thats the same as calling him a coward..something he is NOT! Hopefully one day he'll either fight him again and shut everyone up on that issue, or he'll be able to give a good reason as to what he's up to.
you may be right in sayin' only he knows his own reason. but that means he doesnt care no matter what his fans and other people would think about his action. but as far as i know he explained why, it was coz he holds two belts. and since it already came from him, we're just not in the position to say he got other more reasons behind arent we? now based on his reasons he made why he deserves the $1.5M purse, we all know that it's just too impossible. and like he said to the media he has a responsibility to his fans and to tv viewers that the fight must go on. where was the responsibility he's been talikn about? conclusion, JMM showed how irresponsible he is, how he care less for the fans, fights only for the money, has no interest in proving he's better than Pacman and most of all, in general, he defenitely look a lot lesser fighter than Pacman. now please tell me am wrong. peace. ;)

you may be right in sayin' only he knows his own reason. but that means he doesnt care no matter what his fans and other people would think about his action. but as far as i know he explained why, it was coz he holds two belts. and since it already came from him, we're just not in the position to say he got other more reasons behind arent we? now based on his reasons he made why he deserves the $1.5M purse, we all know that it's just too impossible. and like he said to the media he has a responsibility to his fans and to tv viewers that the fight must go on. where was the responsibility he's been talikn about? conclusion, JMM showed how irresponsible he is, how he care less for the fans, fights only for the money, has no interest in proving he's better than Pacman and most of all, in general, he defenitely look a lot lesser fighter than Pacman. now please tell me am wrong. peace. ;)

Well you said it yourself, that JMM claimed that he wanted more money cause he has 2 belts. I was simply not chalking that up to fear the way you did.
Mooks said it best on this thread...if JMM is afraid, then it's of whats on the line and what he has to lose..it's not fear of Pac per say.
And, as Mooks also pointed out (what do you know, he's good for something :p :D ) if JMM waits til Pac fights Morales and pac wins (that wont happen either) then JMM has a better chance of getting the money he wants.
I thought this disagreement was over him being a coward, and afraid to fight Manny?? That is the post of yours that I replied to anyway :confused:

This just in!
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Erick Morales and Manny Pacquiao are getting ready for fight of the year. Juan Manuel Marquez also gets ready for the fight of the year, by buying a big screen tv.

cant wait to see this fight i really want to see another war

This Just In!
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Pacquiao tells Marquez to get ready for a rematch with Derrick "Smoke" Gainer!

i can't imagine two chicken fighting each other(j/k)...ha-ha...lol... :D

Marquez dies if he makes a war of it

I'm sure he will. Might even be a smart move to hold out. Imagine if Manny beats Morales. JMM will cling on him like a rash. Now the rematch would draw so much more people and he might actually get that 1.5 mil that he wanted so much.

what if hbo gave pacman 2.5mill? is jmm he going to backout again? i wonder. :rolleyes:

JMM = wuss

what if hbo gave pacman 2.5mill? is jmm he going to backout again? i wonder. Ha! Ha! Ha!

Hey, buddy! That JMM picture on your signature does not exactly show a face that could launch a million dollars, does it? :D That face is lucky to be offered the money that he declined to face Pac!

Now he wants to face Vasquez; "persuade" Vasquez. For how much? A quarter of a mil? (Maybe less?)

Say no to 3/4 and say yes to 1/4? Because he deserves more money? :rolleyes:

Oh, ok. ;)

He labors from November, skips Christmas in preparation for a fight the purse of which had been agreed on in principle. Then, when everyone has been saying he has the edge by training for so long in the rarefied atmosphere of Mexican mountains, he and Nacho comes up with a purse demand!

Oh, ok.

After the fight is shelved, a reporter writes a piece that says, "finally Marquez is a hit!" then procedes to tell us that Marquez sparred rounds against huge but inexperienced opponents and confesses that Marquez failed to penetrate the "awkward" defenses of one spar mate and "bounced jabs off" another and that Marquez still has much to do. The piece tells us everything except why Marquez "is a hit"!

Oh, ok.

If Pac wins against Morales, that victory shall not mean promoters would up the ante for JMM. It does not follow. What it only means is that Pac can ask for and may get more!

It could even mean that JMM becomes a minor player and be offered less because Manny shall by then be THE MAN to beat.

Marquez and Nacho offered the two feather belts as justification for a raise. But, they should have seen that Morales doesn't wear any anymore and Morales was always THE MAN that Pac wanted to face after Barrera.

If Pac loses to Morales, JMM vs. Pacquiao could not be more attractive than it was just weeks ago and wouldn't attract any more money for the fighters than it did just weeks ago. It may even be seen as less attractive, both ways.

I think, in time, Nacho and Juan will find that they have miscalculated. ;)

With the 1.75 mil in US$, Manny can go home to the Philippines, be (possibly) the richest Filipino sportsman in history and not bother to fight another day. Marquez after Vasquez, shall have to slave on...

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii think Marquez is lame

u really don't have to reply to every thread just cause your bored

it's pretty lame how nerdy most people on here are

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Hey, buddy! That JMM picture on your signature does not exactly show a face that could launch a million dollars, does it? :D That face is lucky to be offered the money that he declined to face Pac!

Now he wants to face Vasquez; "persuade" Vasquez. For how much? A quarter of a mil? (Maybe less?)

Say no to 3/4 and say yes to 1/4? Because he deserves more money?

Oh, ok. ;)

He labors from November, skips Christmas in preparation for a fight the purse of which had been agreed on in principle. Then, when everyone has been saying he has the edge by training for so long in the rarefied atmosphere of Mexican mountains, he and Nacho comes up with a purse demand!

Oh, ok.

After the fight is shelved, a reporter writes a piece that says, "finally Marquez is a hit!" then procedes to tell us that Marquez sparred rounds against huge but inexperienced opponents and confesses that Marquez failed to penetrate the "awkward" defenses of one spar mate and "bounced jabs off" another and that Marquez still has much to do. The piece tells us everything except why Marquez "is a hit"!

Oh, ok.

If Pac wins against Morales, that victory shall not mean promoters would up the ante for JMM. It does not follow. What it only means is that Pac can ask for and may get more!

It could even mean that JMM becomes a minor player and be offered less because Manny shall by then be THE MAN to beat.

Marquez and Nacho offered the two feather belts as justification for a raise. But, they should have seen that Morales doesn't wear any anymore and Morales was always THE MAN that Pac wanted to face after Barrera.

If Pac loses to Morales, JMM vs. Pacquiao could not be more attractive than it was just weeks ago and wouldn't attract any more money for the fighters than it did just weeks ago. It may even be seen as less attractive, both ways.

I think, in time, Nacho and Juan will find that they have miscalculated. ;)

With the 1.75 mil in US$, Manny can go home to the Philippines, be (possibly) the richest Filipino sportsman in history and not bother to fight another day. Marquez after Vasquez, shall have to slave on...

hay joe, how you been? i had not seen you here for a long time...

you're exactly right. i think jmm and nacho made a big mistake asking for more than they could chew. first of all, they figured wrong to justify their demand with the belt because nobody care so much about the belt anymore. (at least they had the ring to blame blame it on) :D . secondly, jmm is not the draw here -- now somebody would argue that it takes two to tango, but pac can also use the same argument and yet he readily accepted what was offered to him. besides i think more people wanted to see pac and his exciting style than jmm's passive counter punching and boring style. the thing is -- jmm & nacho thought they could persuade hbo/promoters to see it their way and didn't realize that the latter (promoters) always have extra tricks in their bag for occasions like this!

it was really a big blunder for the whining duo!

Marquez is insane if he thinks he is the draw here

hay joe, how you been? i had not seen you here for a long time...

you're exactly right. i think jmm and nacho made a big mistake asking for more than they could chew. first of all, they figured wrong to justify their demand with the belt because nobody care so much about the belt anymore. (at least they had the ring to blame blame it on). secondly, jmm is not the draw here -- now somebody would argue that it takes two to tango, but pac can also use the same argument and yet he readily accepted what was offered to him. besides i think more people wanted to see pac and his exciting style than jmm's passive counter punching and boring style. the thing is -- jmm & nacho thought they could persuade hbo/promoters to see it their way and didn't realize that the latter (promoters) always have extra tricks in their bag for occasions like this!

it was really a big blunder for the whining duo!Hi buddy! I'm okay and from what I read above, you're not doing too bad yourself! :D Had to attend to some stuff through the New Year celebrations, poor me! So, missed all the action here for a few weeks-- my great loss! :o

I agree with you pal. For Pac, it's seldom about money. He didn't fuss when they told him he's getting a lot less than Erik! Shows the kind of fella he is. Even admitted Erik is one of his idols! ;)

Good to see you again! Great to be back! :D

Well you said it yourself, that JMM claimed that he wanted more money cause he has 2 belts. I was simply not chalking that up to fear the way you did.
Mooks said it best on this thread...if JMM is afraid, then it's of whats on the line and what he has to lose..it's not fear of Pac per say.And, as Mooks also pointed out (what do you know, he's good for something :p :D ) if JMM waits til Pac fights Morales and pac wins (that wont happen either) then JMM has a better chance of getting the money he wants.
I thought this disagreement was over him being a coward, and afraid to fight Manny?? That is the post of yours that I replied to anyway :confused:
i know that i've been out for a time but i just want to answer this post. if its not fear of Pac, do you think JMM would ask for the same purse against a rematch with Salido? why would he ask for such demand when fighting Pacman? :confused: i was hoping you'd realize that he had fear in losing his title not just because he'll be fighting but rather he'll be fighting PACMAN.

Marquez is insane if he thinks he is the draw here

for some of us, he is exactly that..the draw!

Since Marquez isn't fighting pacquiao he should fight MAB.What do you think?

that sounds like a great matchup

Since Marquez isn't fighting pacquiao he should fight MAB.What do you think?

not a bad a idea...and whoever wins should fight the winner of pac-em. but i doubt it's going to happen, mab has been ducking jmm ever since. for them he's high risk and low return...and i don't think mab is not going down to feather just to fight jmm and vice-versa.

but it's gonna be interesting if ever this match happens.

Since Marquez isn't fighting pacquiao he should fight MAB.What do you think?

IF youre asking me (which I'm not sure about) I would definately watch it! :D I like him, alot, and dont think he's a coward, but I will admit that if he wont fight Manny, then he sould atleast fight someone that will be a challenge for him, and Barrera would probably be just that. Stop *****-footing around with lesser fighters and fight the ones that are capable of knocking him out, or atleast seriously screwing up the game plan. I'm not too interested in watching him out-point some guy in a boring, unchallenging fight, but would love to see how he handles Barrera, Pac and/or Morales. All three of those I'd definately watch!! ;)

IF youre asking me (which I'm not sure about) I would definately watch it! :D I like him, alot, and dont think he's a coward, but I will admit that if he wont fight Manny, then he sould atleast fight someone that will be a challenge for him, and Barrera would probably be just that. Stop *****-footing around with lesser fighters and fight the ones that are capable of knocking him out, or atleast seriously screwing up the game plan. I'm not too interested in watching him out-point some guy in a boring, unchallenging fight, but would love to see how he handles Barrera, Pac and/or Morales. All three of those I'd definately watch!! ;)
Asking what everybody thinks.But your right if he keeps fighting guys like salido he's going to ruin his career.MAB Marquez i think would be a nice fight to see.

Asking what everybody thinks.But your right if he keeps fighting guys like salido he's going to ruin his career.MAB Marquez i think would be a nice fight to see.

Watching him against Salido isnt exactly what I was dreaming about..I'd still watch it just because he is such a good technician, and I love watching them ply their craft. But, I'd much, much rather watch him in there against any of the three I mentioned before. It sucks completely that that may not happen! :(

IF youre asking me (which I'm not sure about) I would definately watch it! :D I like him, alot, and dont think he's a coward, but I will admit that if he wont fight Manny, then he sould atleast fight someone that will be a challenge for him, and Barrera would probably be just that. Stop *****-footing around with lesser fighters and fight the ones that are capable of knocking him out, or atleast seriously screwing up the game plan. I'm not too interested in watching him out-point some guy in a boring, unchallenging fight, but would love to see how he handles Barrera, Pac and/or Morales. All three of those I'd definately watch!! ;)

Did you just unconsciously say that Barrera, Pac or Morales is the real draw if he JMM fights any of them?

Did you just unconsciously say that Barrera, Pac or Morales is the real draw if he JMM fights any of them?

Uh, no, not at all. I was saying that each one of them would make a more exciting and difficult fight for him. Him and either of those opponets would be one hell of a draw, for me anyway!
Their styles against his would be too hard to pass up.

Since Marquez isn't fighting pacquiao he should fight MAB.What do you think?
i dont think JMM deserve any shot against the great fighters like MAB, EM or Pac. these guys fights the best. but JMM would rather chose not to fight and knows nothing but to demand for impossible money.

not a bad a idea...and whoever wins should fight the winner of pac-em. but i doubt it's going to happen, mab has been ducking jmm ever since. for them he's high risk and low return...and i don't think mab is not going down to feather just to fight jmm and vice-versa.

but it's gonna be interesting if ever this match happens.
if ever JMM will be fighting MAB or EM, he gotta finish first his business with PAcman. Pac earned his way to Morales by beating MAB and by signing a rematch with JMM. JMM havent proven a single thing. the best he had was a draw with a half disabled Pacman. and box his way out in signing the contract by insisting for an impossible purse. just because he got a draw with Pacman doesnt mean he already earned it to brawl with the Mexican legends.

Uh, no, not at all. I was saying that each one of them would make a more exciting and difficult fight for him. Him and either of those opponets would be one hell of a draw, for me anyway!
Their styles against his would be too hard to pass up.

i thought you mellowed there for jmm for a while...i guess i was wrong, huh? but i agree with you those 4 are definitely the top dogs in the feather/superfeather and any match between any of them is going to be a big hit...but i i still think that jmm if not fighting any of pac, mab & em is not going to draw a lot of boxing fans into watching the fight, especially if they had to shell some money for it.

if ever JMM will be fighting MAB or EM, he gotta finish first his business with PAcman. Pac earned his way to Morales by beating MAB and by signing a rematch with JMM. JMM havent proven a single thing. the best he had was a draw with a half disabled Pacman. and box his way out in signing the contract by insisting for an impossible purse. just because he got a draw with Pacman doesnt mean he already earned it to brawl with the Mexican legends.

See thats the thing..JMM doesnt HAVE to do anything. Even alot of Pac fans would be perfectly happy if he fought one of the other top fighters instead, for now anyway. How many fight's happen where fans feel that one of the boxers didnt earn the right to be there? Way too many to single JMM out. In the heavy wt. division right now there are pure jokes stepping into the ring for title shots, and they didnt earn it either. Just cause you dont want him fighting anyone else til fighting Pac again doesnt mean alot of others dont. Just cause you dont think he's earned the right to fight any of the top guys (other than Pac) doesnt make it true. Not at all.

i thought you mellowed there for jmm for a while...i guess i was wrong, huh? but i agree with you those 4 are definitely the top dogs in the feather/superfeather and any match between any of them is going to be a big hit...but i i still think that jmm if not fighting any of pac, mab & em is not going to draw a lot of boxing fans into watching the fight, especially if they had to shell some money for it.

I had mellowed?? I can admit that he should be fighting tougher opposition, no problem, but that doesnt mean I've mellowed or think he's a coward, or whatever, for not fighting Pac again right away.

I had mellowed?? I can admit that he should be fighting tougher opposition, no problem, but that doesnt mean I've mellowed or think he's a coward, or whatever, for not fighting Pac again right away.
Me neither. Pac poses the biggest threat of all the fighters in consideration. I've already stated that the more sensible thing to do is fight someone like MAB or EM before a rematch with Pac.