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Seen here being knocked out by (what ammounts to) a jab from Lance "Goofi" Whittaker.

Hahahaha. It baffles me too that Maskaev had his supporters. I didn't even know Maskaev was still boxing.

Hahahaha. It baffles me too that Maskaev had his supporters. I didn't even know Maskaev was still boxing.
He just decisioned Sinan Samil Sam in Germany.

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Seen here being knocked out by (what ammounts to) a jab from Lance "Goofi" Whittaker.
That is an embarassing loss for Maskaev.

I have him getting blitzed by Oliver McCall in a round if this isn't enough evidence...

I want to see what Nautilus has to say...

I agree that Maskaev sucks but still he has a chance against Rahman or Valuev, probably against Chris Byrd also.

Well I can see him getting ko'd there. He was just coming off of the Kirk Johnsom devistating ko loss and he wasn't fully recovered. They say you are supposed to take 6 months off after being ko'd and that was like 2 months between these fights. I agree Maskaev's chin is weak but it looked a lot more solid against Sam who has good power. He knocked Danny Williams around just as bad as Vitali did. Maskaev was also kicking Tua's ass in Tua's prime till his glass chin gave out in the 11th round.

Oh, saying Oleg was blitzed in one round against McCall means Maskaev is **** is wrong! That was Maskaev's 6th or 7th pro fight and it was like McCalls 27th. Maskaev has the skills, just absolutely no chin.

Yeah I think Corey "T-Rex" Sanders might have cleared up any controversy as to Oleg's potential to be a dominant heavyweight.

Yeah I think Corey "T-Rex" Sanders might have cleared up any controversy as to Oleg's potential to be a dominant heavyweight.


lol, bingo

LOL, exactly. Any fighter who gets stopped by the bizzaro Corey Sanders has serious chin issues. Maskaev is a decent fighter, skill-wise, but his chin is absolute glass. He will never be a serious champion and I doubt we'll ever hear from him again after Rahman/Toney beat him.

As for the clip, I haven't seen this fight since watching it live, but the punch that I remember starting the KO was a big right hand, and the clip just kinda shows the aftermath, after the real damage was done.

As for the clip, I haven't seen this fight since watching it live, but the punch that I remember starting the KO was a big right hand, and the clip just kinda shows the aftermath, after the real damage was done.

You remembered wrong.

I just watched it again, and there's nothing of major signifigance landed leading up to the clip. Certianly not a 'big right hand'.

Maskaev just has no chin. :D

Lessee here:

Maskaev has 29 more heavy victories than Toney, only 1 more loss than Toney, and unlike Toney he ain't never been whoooped by middleweights and lightweights, and more importantly he ain't never been whoooped TWICE by little Montell Griffin.

As a heavyweight, Maskaev completely outclasses Toney, has a ton more power, has whoooped better heavy comp, and ain't as broke, fat, and ugly!

Now Valuev has done something to Ruiz that Toney couldn't, he lifted Ruiz's title from him and is ahead of Toney in BoxRec ratings. Stoney would come outta retirement in a heart beat and Ruiz would train his butt off just to get a crack at a steroid free Toney. Yep, and knowing King he'll match em in his tournament and Ruiz is gonna go for the KO!

Lessee here:

Maskaev has 29 more heavy victories than Toney, only 1 more loss than Toney, and unlike Toney he ain't never been whoooped by middleweights and lightweights, and more importantly he ain't never been whoooped TWICE by little Montell Griffin.

As a heavyweight, Maskaev completely outclasses Toney, has a ton more power, has whoooped better heavy comp, and ain't as broke, fat, and ugly!

Now Valuev has done something to Ruiz that Toney couldn't, he lifted Ruiz's title from him and is ahead of Toney in BoxRec ratings. Stoney would come outta retirement in a heart beat and Ruiz would train his butt off just to get a crack at a steroid free Toney. Yep, and knowing King he'll match em in his tournament and Ruiz is gonna go for the KO!



You are without a doubt sky rocketing up the pound of pound rankings of stupidity around here, and that's some exclusive company.

Look at your post.

You are a ****ing idiot.

This post is beyond ignorant, it's laughable.

funny how if this guy sucks and rahman got ktfo by him, how many people said he (rahman) would KO vitali

funny how if this guy sucks and rahman got ktfo by him, how many people said he (rahman) would KO vitali

styles make fights. welcome to boxing. and oh yeah, watch the Maskaev-Rahman fight sometime. the whole fight, all of the announcers keep saying how the two guys have similar styles. Roy Jones states several times that Rahman can easily win the fight with his jab alone, but he can't resist trading with Maskaev. it was a tough break for Rahman, but it would have been the end for Vitali. :boxing:

styles make fights. welcome to boxing. and oh yeah, watch the Maskaev-Rahman fight sometime. the whole fight, all of the announcers keep saying how the two guys have similar styles. Roy Jones states several times that Rahman can easily win the fight with his jab alone, but he can't resist trading with Maskaev. it was a tough break for Rahman, but it would have been the end for Vitali. :boxing:


how do u know rahman coulda beat oleg with a jab? he didnt he got ktfo, and btw what other tall guy did rahman get ktfo agaisnt, i forgot his name, u know fights with a jab, has good power, smart fighter, rahman didnt do to well agaisnt him in the rematch

how do u know rahman coulda beat oleg with a jab? he didnt he got ktfo, and btw what other tall guy did rahman get ktfo agaisnt, i forgot his name, u know fights with a jab, has good power, smart fighter, rahman didnt do to well agaisnt him in the rematch

No joke. Lewis is one of the top 5 heavyweights ever. But...Rahman beat him. Did Vitali ever beat Lewis? Even an old, out of shape, poorly conditioned Lewis? Nahhh

Go get into your Vitali pajamas and go on to bed now, little guy.

You are without a doubt sky rocketing up the pound of pound rankings of stupidity around here, and that's some exclusive company.

Look at your post.

You are a ****ing idiot.

This post is beyond ignorant, it's laughable.
Bozo, you don't know who this guy is. In actuality he is one of the smartest boxing minds you will actually meet.

how do u know rahman coulda beat oleg with a jab? he didnt he got ktfo, and btw what other tall guy did rahman get ktfo agaisnt, i forgot his name, u know fights with a jab, has good power, smart fighter, rahman didnt do to well agaisnt him in the rematch


I fail to see what point you're trying to make here.

Maskaev sucks, and Rahman sucks.


funny how if this guy sucks and rahman got ktfo by him, how many people said he (rahman) would KO vitali

Many people did NOT say Rahman would beat Vitali. There was one or two, and because they hurt your feelings, that's what stuck with you. If you'd have ran a poll, 85% of people would favor Vitali (or a lot of top fighters) to beat Rahman.

Stop trolling around posting things motivated by Vitali.

He's gone, he accomplished little to nothing, and you need to move on.

Lessee here:

Maskaev has 29 more heavy victories than Toney, only 1 more loss than Toney, and unlike Toney he ain't never been whoooped by middleweights and lightweights, and more importantly he ain't never been whoooped TWICE by little Montell Griffin.

As a heavyweight, Maskaev completely outclasses Toney, has a ton more power, has whoooped better heavy comp, and ain't as broke, fat, and ugly!

Now Valuev has done something to Ruiz that Toney couldn't, he lifted Ruiz's title from him and is ahead of Toney in BoxRec ratings. Stoney would come outta retirement in a heart beat and Ruiz would train his butt off just to get a crack at a steroid free Toney. Yep, and knowing King he'll match em in his tournament and Ruiz is gonna go for the KO!


Lessee here:

Garbage

False

Laughable

If Dominick Guinn knocked out Toney with a "power jab" you may have had some ground to say something. The mere fact that you even MENTIONED boxrec ratings should be a large clue to go back to the drawing board and form a new argument.

I fail to see what point you're trying to make here.

Maskaev sucks, and Rahman sucks.



Many people did NOT say Rahman would beat Vitali. There was one or two, and because they hurt your feelings, that's what stuck with you. If you'd have ran a poll, 85% of people would favor Vitali (or a lot of top fighters) to beat Rahman.

Stop trolling around posting things motivated by Vitali.

He's gone, he accomplished little to nothing, and you need to move on.

your joking right? there were plenty of peeps on this board who said rahman would beat vitali, one or two? get outta here with that

your joking right? there were plenty of peeps on this board who said rahman would beat vitali, one or two? get outta here with that


There were not many.

There was a select few, comprised mainly of those who were just saying it to upset you.

Obviously and predictably, it worked.

Again, a poll would have shown 85-90% of people (not just on here but in general) that would favor Vitali in that fight.

The only reason you posted here is because thinking of Maskev allowed you to draw a reference to Rahman which allowed you to talk about Vitali.

Suck it up, and let it go. You're a wounded nut hugger and you're off topic.

Lessee here:

Maskaev has 29 more heavy victories than Toney, only 1 more loss than Toney, and unlike Toney he ain't never been whoooped by middleweights and lightweights, and more importantly he ain't never been whoooped TWICE by little Montell Griffin.

As a heavyweight, Maskaev completely outclasses Toney, has a ton more power, has whoooped better heavy comp, and ain't as broke, fat, and ugly!

Now Valuev has done something to Ruiz that Toney couldn't, he lifted Ruiz's title from him and is ahead of Toney in BoxRec ratings. Stoney would come outta retirement in a heart beat and Ruiz would train his butt off just to get a crack at a steroid free Toney. Yep, and knowing King he'll match em in his tournament and Ruiz is gonna go for the KO!

Excuse my language, and I promise I will try not to speak so harshly after the new year, but...you are a ****ing idiot. You were in the Jack Johnson threads, others, and you continue to be now. Nothing against Maskaev, maybe he coulda been something if his chin wasn't waxed by Kirk Johnson, but you are a dumbass to dis James Toney for losing to Montell Griffin. Griffin was a highly skilled fighter.

but you are a dumbass to dis James Toney for losing to Montell Griffin. Griffin was a highly skilled fighter.


Not to mention those were both razor thin decisions just before Toney's down time.

There were not many.

There was a select few, comprised mainly of those who were just saying it to upset you.

Obviously and predictably, it worked.

Again, a poll would have shown 85-90% of people (not just on here but in general) that would favor Vitali in that fight.

The only reason you posted here is because thinking of Maskev allowed you to draw a reference to Rahman which allowed you to talk about Vitali.

Suck it up, and let it go. You're a wounded nut hugger and you're off topic.


changing your words around bozo, what happened to 1 or 2 peeps, now there are a select few? lol

I would like to see how any of you guys take "the jab" of Goofi... :D

So Maskaev has a weak chin (heh, big news)

Having weak chin has nothing to do with heart, -- this is not the reason to trash him.

Trashing chin is like trashing somebody for being short or tall, etc.

changing your words around bozo, what happened to 1 or 2 peeps, now there are a select few? lol


I love how that changes the futility of what you were trying to say, and how you acknowledge nothing else said.

There was not "Many" people.

Again, you posted off topic motivated by your wounded nut hugging feelings for Vitali.

Suck it up, and get over it. You're spamming.

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Seen here being knocked out by (what ammounts to) a jab from Lance "Goofi" Whittaker.

he actually misses a strong left to the chin, followed by the "jab" on the chin; only the latter punch gets replayed repatedly, creating the illusion that only the "jab" caused the ko

not to mention that Maskaev missed five or so power punches before that -- Bozo, could you expand your gif to include the minute before the moment shown?

in any case, maskaev does have a weak chin

I love how that changes the futility of what you were trying to say, and how you acknowledge nothing else said.

There was not "Many" people.

Again, you posted off topic motivated by your wounded nut hugging feelings for Vitali.

Suck it up, and get over it. You're spamming.

what was the whole topic here? oleg sucks? how many times are u gonna make this thread again? thats spam, and i thought u were to muture for flaming yet u do it do anyone who doesnt suck up to u like manny P

what was the whole topic here? oleg sucks?


It was, did the title of the thread give it away?

:rolleyes:

You used it as an outlet to cry about Vitali.

Have I posted as many threads about Maskaev sucking that you have crying about Vitali?

Not even close.

Again, he's gone, let it go.

he actually misses a strong left to the chin, followed by the "jab" on the chin; only the latter punch gets replayed repatedly, creating the illusion that only the "jab" caused the ko

not to mention that Maskaev missed five or so power punches before that -- Bozo, could you expand your gif to include the minute before the moment shown?



It was the final shot to the chin that put him down. And Goofi's orthodox, so a right hand isn't his jab hand yet it was the equivalent of a stiff jab.


in any case, maskaev does have a weak chin


You should have just left it at that.

It was, did the title of the thread give it away?

:rolleyes:

You used it as an outlet to cry about Vitali.

Have I posted as many threads about Maskaev sucking that you have crying about Vitali?

Not even close.

Again, he's gone, let it go.

nah he can come back, if politics dont work out, mayor klitschko or heavyweight champion klitschko

But Bozo, it was a HARD jab! :D

You're a pathetic, race biased poster.
I would like to see how any of you guys take "the jab" of Goofi... :D

So Maskaev has a weak chin (heh, big news)

Having weak chin has nothing to do with heart, -- this is not the reason to trash him.

Trashing chin is like trashing somebody for being short or tall, etc.

You're a pathetic, race biased poster.



Race biased? F*** ***

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Anorak thread? What is your point?

You should have just left it at that.


That applies to the entire thread and the lack of point of it being started in the first place. Oh, well, I am sure you know that.

Lessee here:

Maskaev has 29 more heavy victories than Toney, only 1 more loss than Toney, and unlike Toney he ain't never been whoooped by middleweights and lightweights, and more importantly he ain't never been whoooped TWICE by little Montell Griffin.

As a heavyweight, Maskaev completely outclasses Toney, has a ton more power, has whoooped better heavy comp, and ain't as broke, fat, and ugly!

Now Valuev has done something to Ruiz that Toney couldn't, he lifted Ruiz's title from him and is ahead of Toney in BoxRec ratings. Stoney would come outta retirement in a heart beat and Ruiz would train his butt off just to get a crack at a steroid free Toney. Yep, and knowing King he'll match em in his tournament and Ruiz is gonna go for the KO!


Worst post ever. Toney was a middleweight to begin with. It's no surprise that one of the four losses over his 70+ fight career came in the middle's, and to Roy Jones Jr. of all people. Toney never fought a lightweight, and was never "whoooped" by one.

Montell Griffin, in his day, was a very good fighter. He had an unusual style, and that made it hard for a lot of his opponents. There's no shame in losing to him. He also wasn't "whoooped" in the fights. The one was a Majority decision, and the other was a UD.

Toney did take the title from Ruiz, he just had to give it back a few weeks later. There was also not a single doubt in anyone's mind who had won that fight, unlike the more recent Valuev fight. To cite boxrec rankings shows how little you know, because everyone else realizes that boxrec's rankings suck. Almost as much as Maskaev, but not quite so.

Ruiz can go for a KO all he wants, but sharp, painful counter punches will most certainly keep him from completing his goal.

Londonring is a Grade A moron.
Worst post ever. Toney was a middleweight to begin with. It's no surprise that one of the four losses over his 70+ fight career came in the middle's, and to Roy Jones Jr. of all people. Toney never fought a lightweight, and was never "whoooped" by one.

Montell Griffin, in his day, was a very good fighter. He had an unusual style, and that made it hard for a lot of his opponents. There's no shame in losing to him. He also wasn't "whoooped" in the fights. The one was a Majority decision, and the other was a UD.

Toney did take the title from Ruiz, he just had to give it back a few weeks later. There was also not a single doubt in anyone's mind who had won that fight, unlike the more recent Valuev fight. To cite boxrec rankings shows how little you know, because everyone else realizes that boxrec's rankings suck. Almost as much as Maskaev, but not quite so.

Ruiz can go for a KO all he wants, but sharp, painful counter punches will most certainly keep him from completing his goal.

being KOd by a jab, from another bum.... thats just pathetic.

That applies to the entire thread and the lack of point of it being started in the first place. Oh, well, I am sure you know that.

I should have added what Knives said about T-rex Sanders.

But the point stands. Maskev sucks. He was knocked out by Goofi.

Stop nuthugging poor and unaccomplished fighters.

Stop nuthugging poor and unaccomplished fighters.
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huh :confused: :confused: :confused:

You remembered wrong.

I just watched it again, and there's nothing of major signifigance landed leading up to the clip. Certianly not a 'big right hand'.

Maskaev just has no chin. :D

Heh. Be careful when you contradict someone. You're actually 100% wrong.

I dug it up just to see, because I couldn't believe that I remembered it that wrong.

It's actually exactly like I said. Whitaker hit him with a right hand flush on the chin that staggered Maskaev RIGHT before your clip begins. That's why he's moving backwards as your clip begins.

We all agree Maskaev's chin is glass, but your entire premise of him being KO'd by a jab is of course 100% wrong, and your clip is edited to be misleading. Watch the fight again. Start watching at about 2:20 instead of 2:12. You'll see Whitaker on the ropes and land a clean right hand, directly on the chin that staggers Maskaev backwards.

And it's tought to tell in the slow motion of the clip, but the left that he throws right before that last "hook/jab" does land if you watch it in real time. It clearly jars his head and hurts him as well.

But anyway, your clip is of the aftermath of the right hand that initially hurt him, like I originally said. :D

=======Toney did take the title from Ruiz, he just had to give it back a few weeks later.=================

** Poor fatboy Jamie just had to give his title back, eh? C'mon now, you know you cried when that happened. Ya think he'll have to give back another title? You gonna cry again?

Heh. Be careful when you contradict someone. You're actually 100% wrong.

I had the fight on an old drive and dug it up just to see, because I couldn't believe that I remembered it that wrong.

It's actually exactly like I said. Whitaker hit him with a right hand flush on the chin that staggered Maskaev RIGHT before your clip begins. That's why he's moving backwards as your clip begins.

We all agree Maskaev's chin is glass, but your entire premise of him being KO'd by a jab is of course 100% wrong, and your clip is edited to be misleading. Watch the fight again. Start watching at about 2:20 instead of 2:12. You'll see Whitaker on the ropes and land a clean right hand, directly on the chin that staggers Maskaev backwards.

Your clip is of the aftermath of that right hand. :D


I told you, I've seen it several times.

That right hand you're talking about is not that damaging. It was the last punch with the weight behind it that cracks him on the chin that sends him down like a sack of potatoes.

========= but you are a dumbass to dis James Toney for losing to Montell Griffin. Griffin was a highly skilled fighter.===========

** I ain't the one who dissed Toney. Griffin did!

Maskaev ain't never gonna lose to a little bitty guy like Griffin, but Toney did. Now that's some funny stuff now matter how you cut it!

I told you, I've seen it several times.

That right hand you're talking about is not that damaging. It was the last punch with the weight behind it that cracks him on the chin that sends him down like a sack of potatoes.

Well, you might want to watch it again. The right hand lands flush and CLEARLY staggered Maskaev backwards. I mean, are you seriously saying you can't see that? You need to get a new version of the fight if not. That right hand started everything off and is the punch that setup everything else. I mean, it's easy to see and that's exactly why Whitaker attacked him like that- he saw it, too. And the left does land right before that last "jab" as sort of a 1-2. Watch the entire round live, not in slow motion.

No biggie, as I said, Maskaev has an absolute glass chin- we all agree. But that's a very misleading clip is all. And I do have to pat myself on the back for remembering how it happened from I don't know how many years ago. :p

Well, you might want to watch it again. The right hand lands flush and CLEARLY staggered Maskaev backwards. I mean, are you seriously saying you can't see that? You need to get a new version of the fight if not. That right hand started everything off and is the punch that setup everything else. I mean, it's easy to see and that's exactly why Whitaker attacked him like that- he saw it, too. And the left does land right before that last "jab" as sort of a 1-2. Watch the entire round live, not in slow motion.

No biggie, as I said, Maskaev has an absolute glass chin- we all agree. But that's a very misleading clip is all. And I do have to pay myself on the back for remembering how it happened from I don't know how many years ago. :p


I've seen it several times, and the right hand you're talking about is by no means as damaging as you're making it out to be.

The bottom line is that without that jab punch that crunches his chin, he doesn't fall in a heap like that.

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Watch the way he steps into that straight right as Oleg almost walks into it chin first. He had his jaw relaxed and got cranked.

I've seen it several times, and the right hand you're talking about is by no means as damaging as you're making it out to be.

The bottom line is that without that jab punch that crunches his chin, he doesn't fall in a heap like that.

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Watch the way he steps into that straight right as Oleg almost walks into it chin first. He had his jaw relaxed and got cranked.

I agree, of course without that last 1-2 then he doesn't fall into a heap. My original point was that he was hurt with a right hand before the clip began- and of course he was. Then you're clip begins and Whitaker starts attacking him because he hurt him. The last 1-2 was the coupe de gras. I agree.

But you originally said I "remembered wrong" when I said I thought it all started with a right hand that hurt Maskaev before the clip began. And YOU were wrong when you said that. I remembered exactly right, and the clip should've started about 4 secs prior and everyone would have seen the right hand that initially hurt Maskaev and led to the last 1-2 that KO'd him.

It's misleading clip editing that leads to a misleading conclusion that Maskaev was "KO'd by a jab."

I agree, of course without that last 1-2 then he doesn't fall into a heap. My original point was that he was hurt with a right hand before the clip began- and of course he was. Then you're clip begins and Whitaker starts attacking him because he hurt him. The last 1-2 was the coupe de gras. I agree.

But you originally said I "remembered wrong" when I said I thought it all started with a right hand that hurt Maskaev before the clip began. And YOU were wrong when you said that. I remembered exactly right, and the clip should've started about 4 secs prior and everyone would have seen the right hand that initially hurt Maskaev and led to the last 1-2 that KO'd him.

It's misleading clip editing that leads to a misleading conclusion that Maskaev was "KO'd by a jab."


You're clearly upset because I challenged your comment.

I don't think the right hand you're talking about was nearly as bad as you're making it out to be, and without the last shot in my clip he doesn't necessarily go down.

So in my opinion your asserion that it all occured based off that right hand isn't relevent.

I think it had little to nothing to do with the knock down that came from a crunching right to the chin.

I'm wearing an "Oleg Maskaev Sucks" shirt around the house right now

Well I can see him getting ko'd there. He was just coming off of the Kirk Johnsom devistating ko loss and he wasn't fully recovered. They say you are supposed to take 6 months off after being ko'd and that was like 2 months between these fights. I agree Maskaev's chin is weak but it looked a lot more solid against Sam who has good power. He knocked Danny Williams around just as bad as Vitali did. Maskaev was also kicking Tua's ass in Tua's prime till his glass chin gave out in the 11th round.

Oh, saying Oleg was blitzed in one round against McCall means Maskaev is **** is wrong! That was Maskaev's 6th or 7th pro fight and it was like McCalls 27th. Maskaev has the skills, just absolutely no chin.
I agree with you completely. Saying Maskaev is a **** fighter, and has no potential only comes from the mouth of someone who is uneducated in the sport. Maskaev destroyed Rahman, and I have that clip in case anyone needs to see it. Maybe he is a little older, and past his prime, sure, but he is a force in the heavyweight division. Saying he isn't is ridicolous, because there are no standout fighters. If James Toney can be a big name, than Oleg Maskaev definitely should be mentioned. Oleg is 32-5, with 25 Knockouts, and his last loss was in 2002 to Corey Sanders. 8 of his last 10 fights he won by TKO, or KO, in under 3 rounds or less. Saying he's a bad fighter is just stupid.

You're clearly upset because I challenged your comment.

I don't think the right hand you're talking about was nearly as bad as you're making it out to be, and without the last shot in my clip he doesn't necessarily go down.

So in my opinion your asserion that it all occured based off that right hand isn't relevent.

I think it had little to nothing to do with the knock down that came from a crunching right to the chin.

Well, we just have to totally disagree then, no problem. It's my opinion that if you're going to make a clip like this then show the punch that clearly started it all, about 3-4 secs before your clip begins. A right hand that staggers Maskaev and sends him fumbling backwards. Which is why Whitaker attacked him. Which is why he landed the last 1-2 that dropped him.

And no, it's not that I was upset necessarily. But you said I "remembered wrong" when I said Maskaev was hurt with a right hand right before the clip starts that began that sequence, did you not? And you were 100% incorrect. If you can't see the right hand, or see that Maskaev is hurt by it, or that Whitaker clearly sees that Maskaev was hurt by it and attacks him, then hey- what can I say? Just move on, because we are watching different fights or speaking different languages.

I agree with you completely. Saying Maskaev is a **** fighter, and has no potential only comes from the mouth of someone who is uneducated in the sport. Maskaev destroyed Rahman, and I have that clip in case anyone needs to see it. Maybe he is a little older, and past his prime, sure, but he is a force in the heavyweight division. Saying he isn't is ridicolous, because there are no standout fighters. If James Toney can be a big name, than Oleg Maskaev definitely should be mentioned. Oleg is 32-5, with 25 Knockouts, and his last loss was in 2002 to Corey Sanders. 8 of his last 10 fights he won by TKO, or KO, in under 3 rounds or less. Saying he's a bad fighter is just stupid.

No one said he was technically unskilled, they said he has no chin. A chinless fighter who gets hit is not going to last very long. The only reason Lewis was able to survive in the division for so long is because of his stellar defense. He was shown twice that if he tries to fight a bit on the edge he'd get knocked the **** out.

No one said he was technically unskilled, they said he has no chin. A chinless fighter who gets hit is not going to last very long. The only reason Lewis was able to survive in the division for so long is because of his stellar defense. He was shown twice that if he tries to fight a bit on the edge he'd get knocked the **** out.
Maskaev has the chin of an eggshell, no question. But people saying he sucks is ridicolous. Wlad doesn't have the best chin in the world, and he's doing just fine.

Maskaev is garbage.

Maskaev is garbage.
Coming from a poster who lives his life around Manny Pacquiao.

Coming from a poster who lives his life around Manny Pacquiao.

Mayorga as favorite fighter? LOL!

I think that the only time that anyone felt that Maskaev was a player was long ago when he knocked Rahman's ass through the ropes. Since then it's been all down hill except for a few meaningless wins. The only reason he'll get a title shot is because the champ will see it as an easy payday and one more defense. I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to beat one of the weak champs, but it's unlikely, and he isn't deserving of a title shot.

I think that the only time that anyone felt that Maskaev was a player was long ago when he knocked Rahman's ass through the ropes. Since then it's been all down hill except for a few meaningless wins. The only reason he'll get a title shot is because the champ will see it as an easy payday and one more defense. I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to beat one of the weak champs, but it's unlikely, and he isn't deserving of a title shot.
Downhill? 10 straight wins doesn't look too bad to me, and only having 5 losses doesn't deserve a title shot? Golota has 5 losses, 3 title shots, and in all 3 had 0 victories. If he can get a shot, Oleg should be up there. He should have gotten a shot at John "the paper champion" Ruiz.

Downhill? 10 straight wins doesn't look too bad to me, and only having 5 losses doesn't deserve a title shot? Golota has 5 losses, 3 title shots, and in all 3 had 0 victories. If he can get a shot, Oleg should be up there. He should have gotten a shot at John "the paper champion" Ruiz.

But who are the 10 straight opponents? I usually don't bother to watch Maskaev anymore unless I stumble upon the channel (if they even televise it). I read the results and it sounds like a bunch of nameless euros or the FOX stable of 'opponents'. I'm not saying you are wrong because this division is so weak (not to mention corrupt), guys that I would assume have no ranking do.

Mayorga as favorite fighter? LOL!
pacquiao as a favorite fighter?lol! pacman loks like a ****ing 12year-old with a ****ing thick ass mustache

But who are the 10 straight opponents? I usually don't bother to watch Maskaev anymore unless I stumble upon the channel (if they even televise it). I read the results and it sounds like a bunch of nameless euros or the FOX stable of 'opponents'. I'm not saying you are wrong because this division is so weak (not to mention corrupt), guys that I would assume have no ranking do.
They haven't offered him a decent fight, he is steamrolling easy opponents, if his promoter gave him a challenege or a good fight, he'd change alot of minds, I gurantee it. He knocked Rahman out cold, and that was in Rahmans main prime, give Oleg a fight against a big name, and he'll give you a fight worth watching.

Maskaev has the chin of an eggshell, no question. But people saying he sucks is ridicolous. Wlad doesn't have the best chin in the world, and he's doing just fine.

Maskaev hasn't won a meaningfull fight in years, and has lost by KO to ****ty fighters.

When I say "sucks" it's relative to all the hype and praise I read here for him.

Well, we just have to totally disagree then, no problem. It's my opinion that if you're going to make a clip like this then show the punch that clearly started it all, about 3-4 secs before your clip begins. A right hand that staggers Maskaev and sends him fumbling backwards. Which is why Whitaker attacked him. Which is why he landed the last 1-2 that dropped him.

And no, it's not that I was upset necessarily. But you said I "remembered wrong" when I said Maskaev was hurt with a right hand right before the clip starts that began that sequence, did you not? And you were 100% incorrect. If you can't see the right hand, or see that Maskaev is hurt by it, or that Whitaker clearly sees that Maskaev was hurt by it and attacks him, then hey- what can I say? Just move on, because we are watching different fights or speaking different languages.


I told you 3 times, and now this is the 4th:

I don't agree with your assertion that this right hand you keep referring to was all that damaging. It wasn't nearly what you're making it out to be, and the true damage is done by the last shot, which dispite being like a jab is snapped by a huge guy right on Oleg's chin as he's walking into it.

The more you keep referring to it like I left this "bomb" of a right hand out, the more I'm going to keep repeating that my whole problem with what you're saying is that I don't think it was that big of a shot.

Hey Bozo, if Maskaev doesn't deserve a title shot then why does Toney? Oh yeah, Booker, old old old Holy, and Guinn are big wins. Listen to both sides of the stories, if Toney deserves a shot, then so does Maskaev.

Hey Bozo, if Maskaev doesn't deserve a title shot then why does Toney? Oh yeah, Booker, old old old Holy, and Guinn are big wins. Listen to both sides of the stories, if Toney deserves a shot, then so does Maskaev.
Use your common sense dip ****.

Toney is definitely a top 5 Heavyweight. He's universally recognized as such in the boxing world.

Maskaev is not. He's not a top ten Heavyweight, and hasn't beaten a top ten Heavyweight since those brutal KO losses to terrible fighters.

Toney was the undisputed Cruiserweight champion. When an undisputed champion moves up in weight, he's ranked high automatically, in many instances, getting an immediate title shot.

If you have Maskaev ranked above Toney at Heavyweight, or think they're even comparable as fighters, you need to give your head a shake.

That's non sense.

I believe that's "difinitively". If Toney is beating on the Bookers and Guinns of the world and he gets a title shot and Maskaev is beating on the Joe Schmo's of the world then he gets a title shot too, at least he worked himself into the mandatory position. That's all I'm saying.

I believe that's "difinitively". If Toney is beating on the Bookers and Guinns of the world and he gets a title shot and Maskaev is beating on the Joe Schmo's of the world then he gets a title shot too, at least he worked himself into the mandatory position. That's all I'm saying.


The fact he was anywhere near a mandatory position is bull ****. He didn't beat anyone worth anything to get to that position, and was coming off brutal stoppage losses to garbage fighters.

Toney was automaticlly ranked high because he was undisputed at cruiser, beat Holyfield who was ranked top ten at the time, and maintained his ranking because of the time off injured.

The common sense comes in when you know what a great fighter he is because of what he's done, he hasn't lost in years (or at all at Heavyweight) and is ranked by anyone with half a brain as one of the best fighters at Heavyweight.

To suggest Maskaev is even comparable with who he's lost to, how he lost to them, and how little he's done since is a joke.

The fact he was anywhere near a mandatory position is bull ****. He didn't beat anyone worth anything to get to that position, and was coming off brutal stoppage losses to garbage fighters.

Toney was automaticlly ranked high because he was undisputed at cruiser, beat Holyfield who was ranked top ten at the time, and maintained his ranking because of the time off injured.

The common sense comes in when you know what a great fighter he is because of what he's done, he hasn't lost in years (or at all at Heavyweight) and is ranked by anyone with half a brain as one of the best fighters at Heavyweight.

To suggest Maskaev is even comparable with who he's lost to, how he lost to them, and how little he's done since is a joke.


James Toney is the man. Maskaev is trash!!!

Toney was the undisputed Cruiserweight champion. When an undisputed champion moves up in weight, he's ranked high automatically, in many instances, getting an immediate title shot.

Then haven't Juan Carlos Gomez and Vassily Jirov gotten their shots.

It's assumed Toney is a top 5 heavy, but he hasn't beaten anyone of note at heavy. His resume at heavy certainly isn't as good as Maskaev's, so it's pretty stupid to trash Oleg, even if he's not that good anymore. I think Toney is a pretty good heavy, but he needs a good win. If he beats Rahman, so what? I mean, he should beat Rahman after all. Oleg already dropped Rahman with a single shot. Toney should and probably will try to truly prove how good he is at heavyweight by fighting Klitschko, Brewster, etc.

Hasn't done it yet though.

I know the ABC Organizations are bogus and me personally I don't think Maskaev should be in the position fighting for a title, just look at the Judah-Baldomir fight...Baldomir can't fight worth ****! Anyways, the ABC Organizations are there for a reason & the rules should be followed. If he got himself there, then he should get a shot, that's all I'm saying.

Then haven't Juan Carlos Gomez and Vassily Jirov gotten their shots.

It's assumed Toney is a top 5 heavy, but he hasn't beaten anyone of note at heavy. His resume at heavy certainly isn't as good as Maskaev's, so it's pretty stupid to trash Oleg, even if he's not that good anymore. I think Toney is a pretty good heavy, but he needs a good win. If he beats Rahman, so what? I mean, he should beat Rahman after all. Oleg already dropped Rahman with a single shot. Toney should and probably will try to truly prove how good he is at heavyweight by fighting Klitschko, Brewster, etc.

Hasn't done it yet though.


Jirov lost to Toney at Cruiser, moved up and did poorly.

Gomez never unifed a title at Cruiser, and also got knocked out in a meaningless Heavyweight fight in the 1st round. That would be like Toney getting KO'd by Booker in the 1st.

Maskaev does not have a better resume at Heavyweight, who are you kidding?

He has BRUTAL embarassing losses, followed up by two years of fighting cream puffs. You can take the handfull of credible wins he had YEARS ago, ignore the brutal losses since, and act like that's relevent at present. Come on.

That doesn't put him anywhere NEAR title contention.

I like how you had no problem with Roy's immediate title shot, but you complain Toney doesn't deserve it?

Toney is a top 5 Heavyweight. Period. There's no denying it or arguing it.

Maskaev is not.

End of story.

I know the ABC Organizations are bogus and me personally I don't think Maskaev should be in the position fighting for a title, just look at the Judah-Baldomir fight...Baldomir can't fight worth ****! Anyways, the ABC Organizations are there for a reason & the rules should be followed. If he got himself there, then he should get a shot, that's all I'm saying.


This was Badblood's stance, and it's Bull ****.

This is exactly what shouldn't be happening. Undeserving fighters getting title shots just because it's accepted the ranking systems are corrupt is killing the sport.

In this case, the right call was made. Toney getting the shot is better for the division, and the fight people want to see.

If Wlad fights Brewster for the WBO title, he loses his IBF ranking, making Ray Austin the #1 contender.

The same logic will come up: Oh well he's earned it by fighting through their BS rankings. He deserves a shot.

No, he doesn't.

I don't want to see Oleg Maskaev or Ray Austin getting title shots because a select group of fans think it's unfair they're not getting what the BS sanctioning groups set up with their BS rankings.

This all comes back to the fact Maskaev isn't a top ten Heavyweight and hasn't won a meaningfull fight since getting knocked out by terrible fighters.

Jirov lost to Toney at Cruiser, moved up and did poorly.

Gomez never unifed a title at Cruiser, and also got knocked out in a meaningless Heavyweight fight in the 1st round. That would be like Toney getting KO'd by Booker in the 1st.

Well no, you see. Toney was not undisputed either at cruiser, nor was his overall success there any better than Gomez or Jirov's until he beat Jirov of course. By your logic, Gomez should have gotten a shot before Yang Diaz would have even had a chance to KO him. He should have gotten a quick shot like Toney, because of his championship status at cruiser.

And no, I'm not saying Toney doesn't desrrve it and Roy does. Ruiz chose to defend his title vs Roy, and Toney is fighting for Rahman's interim belt or whatever. There's a difference. But I'm just going on your criteria. On that criteria, Toney is no more deserving than Maskaev, period, end of story.

That doesn't mean in my own opinion Ithink Toney is undeseving. He certainly hasn't provne much yet at heavyweight but it's fine with me if he gets a shot.

Toney is no more deserving than Maskaev, period, end of story.


No, wrong.

Toney is a top 5 Heavyweight, and Maskaev isn't even top ten.

That's the bottom line here.

Well, we just have to totally disagree then, no problem. It's my opinion that if you're going to make a clip like this then show the punch that clearly started it all, about 3-4 secs before your clip begins. A right hand that staggers Maskaev and sends him fumbling backwards. Which is why Whitaker attacked him. Which is why he landed the last 1-2 that dropped him.

And no, it's not that I was upset necessarily. But you said I "remembered wrong" when I said Maskaev was hurt with a right hand right before the clip starts that began that sequence, did you not? And you were 100% incorrect. If you can't see the right hand, or see that Maskaev is hurt by it, or that Whitaker clearly sees that Maskaev was hurt by it and attacks him, then hey- what can I say? Just move on, because we are watching different fights or speaking different languages.

Welcome to the BS man. Don't try to argue with Bozo, he'll just be reapeating his **** over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, until you just get ****ing tired of arguing with him and stop trying. That's how he wins 90% of his arguments here. Good luck...

Well no, you see. Toney was not undisputed either at cruiser, nor was his overall success there any better than Gomez or Jirov's until he beat Jirov of course.

Come on man, a minute ago you're saying by my logic Jirov deserved a crack. He LOST to Toney.

And Jirov vs Toney was for the undisputed Cruisweight title the same way Johnson Tarver was. Everyone knew those two were the top two Heavys.

Gomez was a title holder at Cruiser, and didn' have the credibility Toney did moving up. He also clearly wanted to test the waters at Heavyweight as was evident in his first few fights with tomatoe cans.

Those are not valid compairisons to Toney moving up as the Undisputed Cruiseweight champion and stopping Holyfield, who was top ten at the time.

Welcome to the BS man. Don't try to argue with Bozo, he'll just be reapeating his **** over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, until you just get ****ing tired of arguing with him and stop trying. That's how he wins 90% of his arguments here. Good luck...


You're just sour that reapeating the same tired non sense to me doesn't work your way.

You're boring me with the following me around.

I should have added what Knives said about T-rex Sanders.

But the point stands. Maskev sucks. He was knocked out by Goofi.

Stop nuthugging poor and unaccomplished fighters.

Where in the hell did you pull this "nuthugging poor and unaccomplished fighters" **** from? You must not let hatred cloud your judgment Bozo. You should know better then that :(

You're just sour that reapeating the same tired non sense to me doesn't work your way.

You're boring me with the following me around.

I wasn't even talking to you. That's just sad...

Where in the hell did you pull this "nuthugging poor and unaccomplished fighters" **** from? You must not let hatred cloud your judgment Bozo. You should know better then that :(


Nautilis nuthugs Vitali (unacomplished) and Maskaev (poor).

What's not to understand?


And why are you once again trolling in to comment on me off the topic of the thread?

That's just sad...


So is your coming into threads to troll after me not commenting on topic.

So is your coming into threads to troll after me not commenting on topic.


Read it again Bozo, I wasn't talking to you, so stop trolling into my posts.

Read it again Bozo, I wasn't talking to you, so stop trolling into my posts.


It was about me Nancy. Once again, you troll in to comment on me without regard to the thread's topic.

Classic Klitschko Nut Hugger action.

Nautilis nuthugs Vitali (unacomplished) and Maskaev (poor).

What's not to understand?


And why are you once again trolling in to comment on me off the topic of the thread?

What's not to understand, is that I would love for you to quote Nautilus where he actually nuthugs Maskaev. You're just letting your hatred could your judgment.

As to me "trolling in", I will post whatever the **** I please in a public forum, Bozo. Freedom of speech, remember? :rolleyes:

It was about me Nancy. Once again, you troll in to comment on me without regard to the thread's topic.

Classic Klitschko Nut Hugger action.

Classic Bozo argument. When have nothing to say, revert to Klitschko.

What's not to understand, is that I would love for you to quote Nautilus where he actually nuthugs Maskaev. You're just letting your hatred could your judgment.

As to me "trolling in", I will post whatever the **** I please in a public forum, Bozo. Freedom of speech, remember? :rolleyes:


Funny, I could have sworn you just said:
" so stop trolling into my posts."

I call you on it first, you try and throw it back at me, and then tell me it's freedom of speech. Make up your mind.

If I had to wager, I'd say you have a place in your heart for Maskaev, saw this thread and didn't like it, so you thought you'd lash out.

Boring.

Classic Bozo argument. When have nothing to say, revert to Klitschko.


Because it's not like your past of being a Klitschko nut hugger has anything to do with you trolling in to talk about me off topic, now does it?

How easilly you forget.

I'm glad you finally realized enough about yourself to start worshiping Anorak, many people throughout the history took the name of those they worshiped.

Because it's not like your past of being a Klitschko nut hugger has anything to do with you trolling in to talk about me off topic, now does it?

How easilly you forget.

You're the one who brought Klitschko into this, remember?

Nothing to say, so change the subject.

Another boxing2005 classic.

Anorak's obsessed with me ever since putting me on ignore. He changed my Custom title, and to pay tribute, I made it a qoute from him. Fitting don't you think?

You're the one who brought Klitschko into this, remember?


By pointing out that you're a Klitschko nut hugger and that's what ultimatly motivates you to troll after me?

I do remember. It seem's you're the one who conveniently forgets.

Funny, I could have sworn you just said:
" so stop trolling into my posts."

I call you on it first, you try and throw it back at me, and then tell me it's freedom of speech. Make up your mind.

If I had to wager, I'd say you have a place in your heart for Maskaev, saw this thread and didn't like it, so you thought you'd lash out.

Boring.

How the hell did you interpreted what I said this way, will always be beyond me. As I said, classic Bozo argument.

By pointing out that you're a Klitschko nut hugger and that's what ultimatly motivates you to troll after me?

I do remember. It seem's you're the one who conveniently forgets.

No, what motivates me to enter into an argument with you, is your pure denial of the fact that you are not the smartest kid on the block. You deny the fact that Maskaev's KO could have caused by something other than a jab and unwilling to post a .gif to prove it, instead getting into a lenghty argument, then calling Nautilus a Maskaev nuthugger without reason whatsoever.

How the hell did you interpreted what I said this way, will always be beyond me. As I said, classic Bozo argument.


Sorry, I know you're a bit slow, so here's the irony for you:

so stop trolling into my posts.




As to me "trolling in", I will post whatever the **** I please in a public forum, Bozo. Freedom of speech, remember?


You're probably just used to reading things with a lot of pictures.

Nothing to say, so change the subject.

Another boxing2005 classic.

Anorak's obsessed with me ever since putting me on ignore. He changed my Custom title, and to pay tribute, I made it a qoute from him. Fitting don't you think?

On the side note, it was pretty funny, lol.

No, what motivates me to enter into an argument with you, is your pure denial of the fact that you are not the smartest kid on the block. You deny the fact that Maskaev's KO could have caused by something other than a jab and unwilling to post a .gif to prove it, instead getting into a lenghty argument, then calling Nautilus a Maskaev nuthugger without reason whatsoever.


The punch that put him down was the one at the end of the clip. Clearly. I don't agree with him saying otherwise, and he kept repeating that he felt I was wrong, so I kept repeating I felt he was wrong.

It's becomming more and more clear this talk of Oleg sucking and getting KO'd by Goofi is what's got you bothered.

On the side note, it was pretty funny, lol.


I thought so too. ;)

Sorry, I know you're a bit slow, so here's the irony for you:







You're probably just used to reading things with a lot of pictures.

If I was the one used to reading things with a lot of pictures, how come you are the one always posting them?

If I was the one used to reading things with a lot of pictures, how come you are the one always posting them?


To keep the slow folk entertained.

You like the pictures, don't you?

How about this one:

http://www.photopile.com/photos/dantzu/auctions/230554.gif

The punch that put him down was the one at the end of the clip. Clearly. I don't agree with him saying otherwise, and he kept repeating that he felt I was wrong, so I kept repeating I felt he was wrong.

It's becomming more and more clear this talk of Oleg sucking and getting KO'd by Goofi is what's got you bothered.

Man, seriously, all bull**** aside, I think that Maskaev sucks something awfull. It's your manner of arguments that piss me off.

Man, seriously, all bull**** aside, I think that Maskaev sucks something awfull. It's your manner of arguments that piss me off.


I feel the same way about you, your subject changing when you have no reply, and your ensuing spitefull trolling.

To keep the slow folk entertained.

You like the pictures, don't you?

How about this one:

http://www.photopile.com/photos/dantzu/auctions/230554.gif

So, by you posting them in the NSB, you think that everyone here is slow? Lol.

So, by you posting them in the NSB, you think that everyone here is slow? Lol.


Not everyone, just those who are enthralled with ****ty fighters...

I feel the same way about you, your subject changing when you are cornered, and your ensuing spitefull trolling.

No wonder we can never come to an agreement over anything.

Not everyone, just those who are enthralled with ****ty fighters...

Should make a lounge for that: ****ty fighters lounge.

Should make a lounge for that: ****ty fighters lounge.

Why don't you send Nautilis a message. You guys could be the founders...

Why don't you send Nautilis a message. You guys could be the founders...

Well, you always start this **** with Nautilus and everyone else, I'll leave the honor to you.

If only Tzu had a clue...

Danny Williams beat up Maskaev badly in the gym.

Danny Williams beat up Maskaev badly in the gym.
nobody gives a **** about the gym and nobody gives a **** about you have to say.

Boxing2005, do not bother.

He just sits all day long on a computer and trashes various fighters. He derives a great joy out of this.

He needs to be sent to the gym. He needs to get into the ring with a real boxer at least once.

Boxing2005, do not bother.

He just sits all day long on a computer and trashes various fighters. He derives a great joy out of this.

He needs to be sent to the gym. He needs to get into the ring with a real boxer at least once.

Well, what pissed me off, is that he got into it with a new guy, who had decent analysis but could not get through "over and over and over" manner of Bozo. Then I posted a few things and Bozo immediately started going off about Vitali's and Maskaev's nuthuggers, etc. :dunno:

Well, what pissed me off, is that he got into it with a new guy, who had decent analysis but could not get through "over and over and over" manner of Bozo. Then I posted a few things and Bozo immediately started going off about Vitali's and Maskaev's nuthuggers, etc. :dunno:


Haven't you guys learned what a lunatic this clown is yet? He belongs in a straight jacket! He will continue to argue with you long after you have signed off and went to bed! He just can't ever be wrong and always has to have the last word. Obsessive/Compulsive?!?!?!

By the way, Merry Christmas guys!

Well, what pissed me off, is that he got into it with a new guy, who had decent analysis but could not get through "over and over and over" manner of Bozo. Then I posted a few things and Bozo immediately started going off about Vitali's and Maskaev's nuthuggers, etc. :dunno:

You're a bitter idiot.

He was saying something I didn't agree with, and repeating himslef, so I repeated my slef.

You jump in and start trolling after me, when you do the exact same thing with your lame arguments, subject changing, and trolling. Give it a rest already, you're boring.

Because I light heartedly slammed Oleg in this thread, a select few of you are upset about it.

It's no coincidence it's a bunch of Klitschko Nut Huggers that are upset as is evident in the 3 or 4 posts above here.

Maskaev sucks. Deal with it you homers.

It is a testament in itself that this thread has 117 replies. This truly should have been an open and shut thread.

What's the connection between Klitschko nut huggers and defending Maskaev?

Same old group of whiners showing up defending a poor fighter.

You're a bitter idiot.

He was saying something I didn't agree with, and repeating himslef, so I repeated my slef.

You jump in and start trolling after me, when you do the exact same thing with your lame arguments, subject changing, and trolling. Give it a rest already, you're boring.

Because I light heartedly slammed Oleg in this thread, a select few of you are upset about it.

It's no coincidence it's a bunch of Klitschko Nut Huggers that are upset as is evident in the 3 or 4 posts above here.

Maskaev sucks. Deal with it you homers.

Bozo, you are an idiot. Perhaps if I repeat it one more time, you will understand (ya, right). I could care less about Maskaev. Your idiotic manner to bring Klitschko into every argument you have with people is plain moronic and pisses every other person on this board. If you can't win the argument, you reserve to subject changing, flaming, profiling, repetition, etc, etc. Arguing with you is like chewing gum. To hear "you are a bitter idiot" from someone like you is to take a trip into the Twilight Zone. This is my last post in this thread, I have better things to do than argue with someone like you.

It is a testament in itself that this thread has 117 replies. This truly should have been an open and shut thread.

You're right- it should have been. Well, if you want to go that far, then the thread itself is extraneous, because it's accepted, common knowledge that Maskaev has a glass chin. The only point I made was that I remembered there being a right hand that hurt Maskaev RIGHT before the clip begins. Bozo said I "remembered wrong" and that he looked and there was nothing. I went and looked and of course the right hand buckles Maskaev right before the clip begins, just as I originally said. When I chimed in to correct Bozo for his incorrect correction of me is when about 50 uneccesary posts were spawned, mainly because Bozo wants to deny simple facts.

I must say that although I have no other stake in any of you guys' obvious long-standing personal rivalries, that the assesment of Bozo as someone who cannot admit he was wrong does seem to be dead-on correct.

I mean, it's so obvious to anyone who has the fight and can watch it. Especially when you see that it's the first time Whitaker went on any kind of torrid offensive of power punches like that in the fight- IMMEDIATELY after he landed that right hand prior to the clip. It maybe just takes more of a trained eye to see that it hurt Maskaev than I realize, although painfully obvious to me, but even without that all you have to do is watch Whitaker attack right after it (when the clip begins) to see that even if Bozo doesn't think Maskaev was hurt by it, Whitaker knows he was. And the way Maskaev's knees buckle and he reels backwards should really end all doubt, anyway. But hey, as I said last night, it does seem like beating a dead horse if you watched it and still hold that there was no right hand that hurt Maskaev before the clip starts.

Or, more likely, you overlooked it originally and when faced with a small correction, you realized your mistake and fell into that tried and true message board tactic of "divert, disagree, debate" but NEVER, EVER (never) admit you were wrong. :D I've seen it a million times, and sadly it's more and more commonplace these days.

You're right- it should have been. Well, if you want to go that far, then the thread itself is extraneous, because it's accepted, common knowledge that Maskaev has a glass chin. The only point I made was that I remembered there being a right hand that hurt Maskaev RIGHT before the clip begins. Bozo said I "remembered wrong" and that he looked and there was nothing. I went and looked and of course the right hand buckles Maskaev right before the clip begins, just as I originally said. When I chimed in to correct Bozo for his incorrect correction of me is when about 50 uneccesary posts were spawned, mainly because Bozo wants to deny simple facts.

I must say that although I have no other stake in any of you guys' obvious long-standing personal rivalries, that the assesment of Bozo as someone who cannot admit he was wrong does seem to be dead-on correct.

I mean, it's so obvious to anyone who has the fight and can watch it. Especially when you see that it's the first time Whitaker went on any kind of torrid offensive of power punches like that in the fight- IMMEDIATELY after he landed that right hand prior to the clip. It maybe just takes more of a trained eye to see that it hurt Maskaev than I realize, although painfully obvious to me, but even without that all you have to do is watch Whitaker attack right after it (when the clip begins) to see that even if Bozo doesn't think Maskaev was hurt by it, Whitaker knows he was. And the way Maskaev's knees buckle and he reels backwards should really end all doubt, anyway. But hey, as I said last night, it does seem like beating a dead horse if you watched it and still hold that there was no right hand that hurt Maskaev before the clip starts.

Or, more likely, you overlooked it originally and when faced with a small correction, you realized your mistake and fell into that tried and true message board tactic of "divert, disagree, debate" but NEVER, EVER (never) admit you were wrong. :D I've seen it a million times, and sadly it's more and more commonplace these days.


I'm not wrong, that's the part you're missing.

You're whole take is that there's a right hand before this clip begins that excuses the pathetic-ness of Maskaev being knocked out by a jab from Goofi Whittaker.

I'll say it again:

The final shot in the clip is a crunching straight right (like a jab) that Oleg walks into with his jaw relaxed.

He gets cranked on the chin, and falls in a heap.

You don't like that I'm dismissing your take on the right hand before the clip, so you keep repeating yourself.

I keep repeating that I think you're wrong, and why.

I will continue to do so.

Bozo, you are an idiot. Perhaps if I repeat it one more time, you will understand (ya, right). I could care less about Maskaev. Your idiotic manner to bring Klitschko into every argument you have with people is plain moronic and pisses every other person on this board. If you can't win the argument, you reserve to subject changing, flaming, profiling, repetition, etc, etc. Arguing with you is like chewing gum. To hear "you are a bitter idiot" from someone like you is to take a trip into the Twilight Zone. This is my last post in this thread, I have better things to do than argue with someone like you.


You're a Klitschko nut hugging loser who's angry with me because I've exposed you as such several times in the past, so at every given opportunity you feel like, you troll into a thread, and jump into a conversation you're not involved in to take a spitefull swipe at me.

I could care less. I have zero respect for your opinion. YOU are the one who changes the subject when he can't back up what he's saying, and you're the one who trolls after me because of build up previous spite.

I will continue to point this out every time I see you trolling in after me.

And give me a break. You could care less about Maskaev yet you have 50 posts in this thread? Who do you think you're kidding.

It's no coincidence a bunch of Klitschko nut huggers jump to Maskaev's defense.

I'm not wrong, that's the part you're missing.

You're whole take is that there's a right hand before this clip begins that excuses the pathetic-ness of Maskaev being knocked out by a jab from Goofi Whittaker.

I'll say it again:

The final shot in the clip is a crunching straight right (like a jab) that Oleg walks into with his jaw relaxed.

He gets cranked on the chin, and falls in a heap.

You don't like that I'm dismissing your take on the right hand before the clip, so you keep repeating yourself.

I keep repeating that I think you're wrong, and why.

I will continue to do so.

LOL You keep repeating that the final punch that KO's him is that right hand. Ummmmm.... OF COURSE. LOL You're getting silly, now, honestly.

You're dismissing the right hand because you are quite simply 100% wrong when you said nothing landed before your clip and initially contradicted me. Whitaker lands a right hand, flush on the chin, and buckles Maskaev's legs, and THEN your clip starts as Whitaker starts coming after him because he hurt him.

As I predicted, "divert." You want to keep talking about how he is KO'd at the end. DUH. We can all see that. What we can't see is how Maskaev was initially hurt by a right hand seconds before your clip starts, that setup everything you show in the clip. I find it moronic to start a clip IMMEDIATELY after the punch that initially hurts the fighter happens, and just show the "coupe de gras" and proudly (and incorrectly) state that Maskaev was "Ko'd by a jab." I mean, it borders in idiocy. But in this case, I can tell by your tactic of diversion that you have already seen you are completely wrong, but are one of those people who will never admit it, even when they are completely and hopelessly trumped. LOL

Let's see if I can dumb it down for you real quick. Answer this simple question, and from that I'll be able to tell if you are drooling idiot, or just a stubborn person who can't admit he was wrong.

Q: Did Whitaker land a right hand that buckled Maskaev's legs seconds before your clip begins?

A: Yes
B: No
C: Yes, but if I state the obvious and say "Yes" then people will think less of me
D: I'm a confused person

LOL You keep repeating that the final punch that KO's him is that right hand. Ummmmm.... OF COURSE. LOL You're getting silly, now, honestly.

You're dismissing the right hand because you are quite simply 100% wrong when you said nothing landed before your clip and initially contradicted me. Whitaker lands a right hand, flush on the chin, and buckles Maskaev's legs, and THEN your clip starts as Whitaker starts coming after him because he hurt him.

As I predicted, "divert." You want to keep talking about how he is KO'd at the end. DUH. We can all see that. What we can't see is how Maskaev was initially hurt by a right hand seconds before your clip starts, that setup everything you show in the clip. I find it moronic to start a clip IMMEDIATELY after the punch that initially hurts the fighter happens, and just show the "coupe de gras" and proudly (and incorrectly) state that Maskaev was "Ko'd by a jab." I mean, it borders in idiocy. But in this case, I can tell by your tactic of diversion that you have already seen you are completely wrong, but are one of those people who will never admit it, even when they are completely and hopelessly trumped. LOL

Let's see if I can dumb it down for you real quick. Answer this simple question, and from that I'll be able to tell if you are drooling idiot, or just a stubborn person who can't admit he was wrong.

Q: Did Whitaker land a right hand that buckled Maskaev's legs seconds before your clip begins?

A: Yes
B: No
C: Yes, but if I state the obvious and say "Yes" then people will think less of me
D: I'm a confused person





You keep writing an essay, and you are just saying the same thing.

So I continue with repeating myself.

The right hand you speak of did not "buckle his knees" like it was an overly damaging shot.

I keep telling you, that you're speaking as though without that right hand, the knock out wouldn't have occured, or that it softend him up for the jab.

Watch the fight again.

Whittaker lands shots like that at several different points, and Maskaev doesn't get knocked out.

Maskaev got hit with a stiff straight right to the jaw, and went down in a heap.

This is what you said initially that started all your sour-ness:


As for the clip, I haven't seen this fight since watching it live, but the punch that I remember starting the KO was a big right hand, and the clip just kinda shows the aftermath, after the real damage was done.

This is wrong.

It did not start off the KO, nor was it a particulalry 'big' right hand.

The jab was not the 'aftermath', it was the punch to the jaw that put him down and out. Without that jab, he may not have gone down at all.


I can say this as many times as you'd like.

LOL

Dude. You have some SERIOUS emotional and confidence issues. (Either that or some serious eyesight issues.) I mean, how hard is it to admit you were wrong? LOL This debate is one of the funniest/sadest/weirdest things I've ever seen on a boxing message board. I mean, I'm trying to understand your motives- because anyone who has seen the fight and reads this thread is going to know you are an absolute headcase, either that or you really shouldn't be watching boxing.

You are now claiming that Whitaker DID NOT land a right hand that hurt Maskaev just prior to your clip begining (even though his legs clearly buckled from it and he was on the floor, out cold, 6-7 seconds after he took that right hand). I mean, you have got to be borderline delusional/psychopathic (or blind, or stubborn). Either way, it's ****ing weird. And I'm done with it. It's such a stupid thing to be arguing about. Anyone who has seen the fight and is reading this is laughing their ass off at you.

Why doesn't someone post the clip - then we can judge for ourselves.

I never could understand how so called "boxing fans" can say a professional boxer (like Maskaev) who has done what you all could only DREAM of doing and has been to heights in the game u love that u will never see... how u can call him a bum or say that he sucks. A look at his BRUTAL KO over Hasim Rachman tells me you all that dis him like this, A - have no TRUE respect for boxing and B, have no idea what you are really talking about. I will tell u this much.. fighters are a fraternity... even fighters that u fall all over and suck up to do NOT respect you as fans when they know what type of words you put down about OTHER figthers.

I've seen Maskaev fight only once so I won't comment on his chin or skills. The only thing I want to know is WHO IS BOZO'S FAVORITE FIGHTER or FIGHTERS? He loves to hate on every fighter that has a few holes in his game. I would love to hear who he roots for, because I guarantee he will say some undisputed champion or someone who always wins just so he doesn't embarrass himself and looks "knowledgeable". LMAO.

So c'mon bozo, let's hear your favorites so we can dissect every flaw in their game. LOL.

I never could understand how so called "boxing fans" can say a professional boxer (like Maskaev) who has done what you all could only DREAM of doing and has been to heights in the game u love that u will never see... how u can call him a bum or say that he sucks. A look at his BRUTAL KO over Hasim Rachman tells me you all that dis him like this, A - have no TRUE respect for boxing and B, have no idea what you are really talking about. I will tell u this much.. fighters are a fraternity... even fighters that u fall all over and suck up to do NOT respect you as fans when they know what type of words you put down about OTHER figthers.
i feel ya dont take it personal ...it's like ruiz i dont like the guy so i may say something like that out of anger .but i agree and i try to watch what i say no pro fighter sucks ...they would beat the hell out of 95% of the posters we have here

======So c'mon bozo, let's hear your favorites so we can dissect every flaw in their game. LOL.==============

** Ouch! Fatboy Toney and his flabby titties is who Bozo luvs on. I've already sliced and diced Toney every way to Sunday, but, geez, it seems like every fight now he sprouts a new frank on the back of that 6pack he already sported on the back of his neck.

======So c'mon bozo, let's hear your favorites so we can dissect every flaw in their game. LOL.==============

** Ouch! Fatboy Toney and his flabby titties is who Bozo luvs on. I've already sliced and diced Toney every way to Sunday, but, geez, it seems like every fight now he sprouts a new frank on the back of that 6pack he already sported on the back of his neck.
man dont start that in here take it to the thunderdome

I said earlier in this thread that when I say "sucks" it's relative to top title contenders, and not in general.

The thread was light hearted and meant to poke fun at the reccent bregade of people coming out of the wood work crying about how Maskeav was screwed out of a title shot etc; talking about him like he's a top Heavyweight.

To make it absolultly clear, for the 3rd time, I don't think any professional fighter sucks (although Reggie Strickland may come close :D).

The term "sucks" in this case, again, is in contrast to top Heavyweights.

It would be like saying "The Colts rule, and the 49er's SUCK".

Am I implying that I think the 49ers have no business playing professional football and that I have no respect for them as athletes? No.

It's a forum people. It's the place for talk about who's the best and who sucks.

And in contrast within the big picture, Oleg Maskaev sucks. :D

right i have all the respect in the world from the hall of famer to the club fighter ....its just a word out of anger at times