View Full Version : ali would be killed had he lived in johnson's era!


Dempsey 1919
12-21-2005, 08:58 PM
i've been thinking, ali was way more defyant and flamboyant than jack johnson was, so if ali was champ in 1900s and 1910s instead of johnson, worst would happen to him than johnson. he most likely would have been killed very quickly IMO. :) :boxing:

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fistlegend
12-22-2005, 04:30 AM
yeah, maybe he would have, because there were alot of rascists about, even more then there were at alis time..

hellfire508
12-22-2005, 07:41 AM
Ali fought during the civil rights movement. He wouldnt have been like that in the 00s.

Dempsey 1919
12-22-2005, 10:30 AM
Ali fought during the civil rights movement. He wouldnt have been like that in the 00s.

interesting. good point.

LondonRingRules
12-22-2005, 10:42 AM
==========i've been thinking=========

** That seems to be your biggest problem. This is a dumb thread. I don't think much of the way Johnson conducted his fight career, but outside the ring he was doing stuff that he could have been shot or lynched on the spot for.

Ali was never transporting a gaggle of white prostitutes across state lines, frequenting white cat houses, and speeding through local munis at high speeds in his sports cars like Johnson was doing during the Jim Crow era. Other than his Vietnam draft snafu, Ali was a very upright citizen although he did affiliate with a controversial political/religous cult which might have gotten him assassinated.

In Johnson's day that cult did not exist, nor did the Vietnam War, so Ali would have been one of those upstanding Christian black preachers speaking out against the evils of Johnson.

Da Iceman
12-22-2005, 11:41 AM
ali wouldve got lynched had he talked **** like he did in johnsons time

Keleneki
12-22-2005, 12:14 PM
I remember seeing some program on television a few years ago, perhaps on EPSN or something, where they interviewed Ali on how he would have done against the great heavyweights of the past. Although Ali stated that he was "the greatest" and all that, he did mention that he thought he would have beaten all of the old time greats, but he wasn't positive. In regard to Jack Johnson, I recollect that Ali stating that Johnson was even more bodacious that he (Ali) was.

Dempsey1238
12-22-2005, 01:26 PM
Johnson was more flamboyted than Ali ever was. Fast Cars, White Woman, and more white woman. lol. Talking smack vs Burns, Jeffies, or any other white fighter in the ring.

"Stop loving on me this way Mister Jeffies." OR Corbett will yelled, hit him with the left right, Than Johnson would do the left right and say, "See Corbett, it works".

Or the time he got pull over for speeded, and Johnson gave the cop 100$. The Cop told Johnson he could not break a 100$(The ticktet was 50$.)

And Johnson would say, keep it, I going to be driving though here again.

Ali never did anything, that would drive White America anger to the extant of Jack Johnson.

We talk about Ali saying, Moore in 4, or I take Liston in 6.

Johnson was doing that, while fight, asking his white women what round should I knock this fellow out, and they say, knock him out in the 5 round, and Johnson would knock him out in what ever round they ask.

I would not even compare Ali to Johnson in that regard.

j
12-23-2005, 06:21 AM
londonringrules, that gaggle of white prostitutes he was transporting across state lines - was his wife who had used to be a sporting women.

j
12-23-2005, 06:26 AM
keleneki, if you notice in that show featuring ali commentating on many of the old fighters in comparison, he gets noticably more humble and not as boastfull as the show furthers.

Pugnacious_Z
12-23-2005, 08:29 AM
Ali was a smart guy, he wudnt have talk like he did if he knew of any chance of assination

Keleneki
12-23-2005, 11:22 AM
keleneki, if you notice in that show featuring ali commentating on many of the old fighters in comparison, he gets noticably more humble and not as boastfull as the show furthers.

Yup. I somehow missed that show when it was new (maybe I was just an infant or not born yet lol) and was quite pleased with the humility that Ali showed in that program when I saw it a couple of years ago. What great character Ali showed in being humble and giving respect and credit to the giants who walked the earth before him. I sure hope that they show it again one of these days. :)

LondonRingRules
12-23-2005, 12:56 PM
londonringrules, that gaggle of white prostitutes he was transporting across state lines - was his wife who had used to be a sporting women.
Big NewsFlash: Johnson often traveled with more then one prostitute, up to a "gaggle." Look, Johnson's guilt has never been in question, even Ken Burns can admit that. One may argue over the government's motivation, but then one has to also question why the government went after Frank Lloyd Wright and Luis Firpo for the same offenses?

mECHsLAVE
12-23-2005, 06:38 PM
The main dislike much of the public had for Johnson was that he ran with white whores, and did so publicly, including marrying one.

Ali, on the other hand, was as opposed to interracial marriage as any devout KKK member. Ali was also opposed to forced integration. The public really only turned against him when he refused Vietnam, because of the Black Muslims, which (someone correct me if I'm wrong) weren't even around in Johnson's day. As a matter of fact, there was no Georgeous George in Johnson's day either, who Ali credits with giving him the idea for the predictions, brash comments, egocentric behavior, and playing up being "pretty." And most of all, there was no SRR back then, so I mean, Ali would have been a completely different fighter in the ring, maybe even not a successful one (or maybe a more crowd pleasing one?). I just don't know how far you want to carry the "what if's" but I doubt seriously if Cassius Clay would have been assasinated if he had lived in Johnson's day and chosen to become a boxer unless you want to give us some more evidence that I've not considered.

BigDozer260
12-24-2005, 01:55 AM
Ali fought during the civil rights movement. He wouldnt have been like that in the 00s.Very great point, he was empowered by the presence of Malcom and Martin who he knew both personally.

supaduck
12-26-2005, 05:51 PM
Just like Jesus... :/