Just your honest opinion, if ever this fight will happen, are you watching this fight because of JMM or because of Pacman?

Juan Manuel Marquez

Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Márquez

JMM....and pac. it takes two to fight. good match the last time but i think jmm takes part 2 in a snooze fest.

JMM....and pac. it takes two to fight. good match the last time but i think jmm takes part 2 in a snooze fest.

You mean like this is gonna be a very explosive mix!

Juan Manuel Marquez......LOL

Juan Manuel Marquez.......

Just your honest opinion, if ever this fight will happen, are you watching this fight because of JMM or because of Pacman?



The first was a classic, and was fight of the year until the Barrera/Morales war. It wont be as good because JMM figured out Pac and learned how to deal with his power, so its going to be tactical, and contrary to what all the Pacman nuthuggers think, JMM is going to pick Pac apart.

Pacman - most entertaining fighter... :D

The first was a classic, and was fight of the year until the Barrera/Morales war. It wont be as good because JMM figured out Pac and learned how to deal with his power, so its going to be tactical, and contrary to what all the Pacman nuthuggers think, JMM is going to pick Pac apart.

i highly doubt that...that's why he is making a fuzz of his purse coz he knows it's gonna be one of his last fights...he isn't the same marquez again after mayo ocho last year.

of course i'm watching the fight even if i have to shell out 60 bucks to watch one of the most exciting and gifted fighters the boxing world has ever known. pacman ko's marquez in 6th! wanna bet your moolah on that?

Juan Manuel Marquez......LOL

Ha ha! That is what tracy is telling me in the other thread.

Manny the Pacman

Manny "PACMAN" Pacquiao

JMM!!! (its gonna be a great fight either way though)





is this fight a ppv?

JMM!!! (its gonna be a great fight either way though)





is this fight a ppv?

no, rumor is it might end up in Boxing After Dark

hahahahha chupacola... lmao at your sig. thats great i love it!

o yea.. jmm is the reason.

Jmm .

JMM vs Norwood = Boring
JMM vs Salido = Boring

Pacman vs anyone = Exciting



Pacman hands down

...he isn't the same marquez again after mayo ocho last year.

True. Like the Champion he is, he has learned from his tough fight with Pac. But this is nothing unique because, like any true Champ, Marquez has become tougher and better with each fighter he faces. Like any solid Champ, Marquez will respond to the calibre of fighter in front of him. He definitely underestimated Pac's speed and power and paid early in Fight #1. Marquez's ability to adjust was apparent in Round 2 through 12, when Pac's combined power, stamina and speed could not overwhelm the Champ.

Marquez has proven himself very capable of bringing a completely adjusted approach to any fight. The Pac rematch will be no exception and, as you said, Marquez will not be the same. Manny on the other hand will bring the same style that got him where he is, partly because he cannot adjust, but mostly because he has always depended on simply overpowering and outlasting his opponents with these basic but very effective skills. This makes him quite predictable because of his methodic head movement and dependency on a limited tool box.

Pac says he's studied Marquez, and vise-versa. Difference is, Marquez will show that a Champion truly learns from his studies.

JMM is a future all time great, i like Pac, but i like to see the mad skills of JMM more

I hope it won't be on PPV. The only thing that surprised me about the first fight were the fireworks in the 1st and 2nd rd. provided by Pac. The 2nd one will be probably be a borefest. Marquez should look even more dominant in this rematch.

True. Like the Champion he is, he has learned from his tough fight with Pac. But this is nothing unique because, like any true Champ, Marquez has become tougher and better with each fighter he faces. Like any solid Champ, Marquez will respond to the calibre of fighter in front of him. He definitely underestimated Pac's speed and power and paid early in Fight #1. Marquez's ability to adjust was apparent in Round 2 through 12, when Pac's combined power, stamina and speed could not overwhelm the Champ.

Marquez has proven himself very capable of bringing a completely adjusted approach to any fight. The Pac rematch will be no exception and, as you said, Marquez will not be the same. Manny on the other hand will bring the same style that got him where he is, partly because he cannot adjust, but mostly because he has always depended on simply overpowering and outlasting his opponents with these basic but very effective skills. This makes him quite predictable because of his methodic head movement and dependency on a limited tool box.

Pac says he's studied Marquez, and vise-versa. Difference is, Marquez will show that a Champion truly learns from his studies.

the same thing can be said of pac...pac brings his game on the level of his opponent and always came out on top...from his masterful beating of barrera, putting the boxer/counterpuncher ledwaba to near retirement, showing nadel hussein and agapito sanchez their dirty tactics wouldn't work, toying with a thai wannabe and teaching marquez he couldn't bully a speedster and a powerful fighter in him. pac (as you may not know) is a very smart fighter, he learns fast and listens to roach. these two is the best dynamic duo in boxing today and their respect for each other and chemistry will work wonders for the world to see.

pac is not dimensional in any way form or appearance if you really pay attention to all his fights. he may have looked one-dimesional against jmm, but it was because of a half-baked plan his team brought into the fight and his limited mobility after round 2. any trainer, i guess i would advise his ward to do the same. if you have a copy of the fight, if you watch again the start of round 6 when roach was talking to manny and if you listen carefully, manny told roach..."i hurt my foot!".

after all were said and done and the dust settled, i see a victorious pacman vanquishing another champion to his knee!

JMM is a future all time great, i like Pac, but i like to see the mad skills of JMM more


JMM is 31yrs old and for a featherweight thats pretty old.I think JMM is already starting to fade.

JMM is 31yrs old and for a featherweight thats pretty old.I think JMM is already starting to fade.



not necessarily, guys like him who depend on their technique can have long careers. JMM hasn't taken much punishment, i think he can go on for a while, at least long enough to fight Barrera and have some more money fights

Pacquiao in 10 woooootttt!!!

10 minutes wooooootttt!!

the same thing can be said of pac...pac brings his game on the level of his opponent and always came out on top...from his masterful beating of barrera, putting the boxer/counterpuncher ledwaba to near retirement, showing nadel hussein and agapito sanchez their dirty tactics wouldn't work, toying with a thai wannabe and teaching marquez he couldn't bully a speedster and a powerful fighter in him. pac (as you may not know) is a very smart fighter, he learns fast and listens to roach. these two is the best dynamic duo in boxing today and their respect for each other and chemistry will work wonders for the world to see.

pac is not dimensional in any way form or appearance if you really pay attention to all his fights. he may have looked one-dimesional against jmm, but it was because of a half-baked plan his team brought into the fight and his limited mobility after round 2. any trainer, i guess would advise his ward to do the same. if you have a copy of the fight, i guess you watch again the start of round 6 when roach was talking to manny and if you listen carefully, manny told roach..."i hurt my foot!".

after all were said and done and the dust settled, i see a victorious pacman vanquishing another champion to his knee!


I agree.I really dont see this fight being that close because JMM is fading and Pacmans is in his prime,so I expect Pacman to make minor adjustments and KO JMM within 4rds this time around.

the same thing can be said of pac...pac brings his game on the level of his opponent and always came out on top...from his masterful beating of barrera, putting the boxer/counterpuncher ledwaba to near retirement, showing nadel hussein and agapito sanchez their dirty tactics wouldn't work, toying with a thai wannabe and teaching marquez he couldn't bully a speedster ......

"i hurt my foot!"

Now I understand why Pac couldn't "vanquish" Marquez ....... it was his foot. Man, you Pac fans have a hard time giving Marquez any credit. Face it, Pac couldn't finish what he started in the first round because Marquez realized he needed to fight Manny with everything he had, but only after being shocked in Round 1.

Pac smacking Ledwaba around was a real surpirse and awakening for me, but mentioning Hussein, Sanchez, and 3K does not impress many boxing fans. Marquez showed in Fight #1 that he's leagues ahead of those guys.

Your'e right. Manny has speed and power. But, he shows it with the same combo each time he comes to you, offering the same head and shoulders movement. Re-wind Marquez, Lebwada and 3K if you need to see that Pac is Mr. Predictable. It's Pacs speed that overcomes these deficits, but a truly durable and skilled, adjustabe fighter like Marquez won't be troubled again by the same ole' PacMan. Pac better bring something new on Feb 26.

Believe Janno, I don't hate Pac. I just don't like his chances after having Marquez "beaten" in Round #1 but wasn't able to capitalize, even though he was so damned fresh and still connecting. Marquez is the boxer/fighter that can take Pac's **** and beat him.

Marquez, late stoppage or wide UD.

Now I understand why Pac couldn't "vanquish" Marquez ....... it was his foot. Man, you Pac fans have a hard time giving Marquez any credit. Face it, Pac couldn't finish what he started in the first round because Marquez realized he needed to fight Manny with everything he had, but only after being shocked in Round 1.

Pac smacking Ledwaba around was a real surpirse and awakening for me, but mentioning Hussein, Sanchez, and 3K does not impress many boxing fans. Marquez showed in Fight #1 that he's leagues ahead of those guys.

Your'e right. Manny has speed and power. But, he shows it with the same combo each time he comes to you, offering the same head and shoulders movement. Re-wind Marquez, Lebwada and 3K if you need to see that Pac is Mr. Predictable. It's Pacs speed that overcomes these deficits, but a truly durable and skilled, adjustabe fighter like Marquez won't be troubled again by the same ole' PacMan. Pac better bring something new on Feb 26.

Believe Janno, I don't hate Pac. I just don't like his chances after having Marquez "beaten" in Round #1 but wasn't able to capitalize, even though he was so damned fresh and still connecting. Marquez is the boxer/fighter that can take Pac's **** and beat him.

Marquez, late stoppage or wide UD.

i give credit where credit is due...marquez survived fight #1 coz of his boxing skills and heart and almost took the fight away from pacman. i admire him for not giving up and putting a superb performance. i understand, it's very easy to love a fighter with great boxing skills and a counterpuncher who can time his opponent because he looks graceful/masterful...but the thing is...those don't necessarily win fights when he goes up in the ring against an opponent.

style makes fight. there are fighters who don't move like a boxer and posseses an effective style and excellent physical attributes that are more than enuff to win most of the fights. manny is one example...get my drift?

besides jmm already is 31yo and has fought the best fight of his life vs. pacman who is young, only 26yo ,energetic and still has a lot to learn and to improve upon.

on feb 26th, you will see a much improved pac vs. the predictable and passive counter-puncher jmm. i will take pacman anytime against jmm, but that doesn't mean i'm disrespecting jmm...am i? :cool:

Pac is the more exciting fighter. So I guess if I had a choice, it would be him.

Pac smacking Ledwaba around was a real surpirse and awakening for me, but mentioning Hussein, Sanchez, and 3K does not impress many boxing fans. Marquez showed in Fight #1 that he's leagues ahead of those guys.


And who JMM beat, if you ask me they were alp patsies...just to make him look good. And where he got his belts from....from chicken gainer and ageing medina?

if you're so adamant that jmm is better than pac, how come up to now pac is ahead of him in the p4p...and why did ring mag chose pac to be their feather champ, huh? :cool:

Huh? Of course I'm watching it because it's a fight between Pacquiao and Marquez.

i thought the question here is who is the reason you will watch PAC-JMM 2...

for me definetly its PAC I'll watch him against anybody...

and i won't watch JMM fight unless his figthing MAB or EM ...

I was thinking about this purse issue. JMM could be asking for more as his final payday. He wants the most he can get and leaves. JMM wanted fame and he got it after Pacman fight though now that he got it, I don't think he wants it anymore. He realizes the hell he has to go through to get the fame and would probably leave that to his counter parts, MAB and EM that probably enjoy it more. Even if JMM got famous through Manny, does that mean he will still be a huge hit with his fighting style? I mean cmon, it's the sleeper style that would make a non boxing fan hate the sport even more. See Barrera is counter puncher also though he isn't afraid to go all out more often that you wouldn't even think he is a counter puncher. JMM plays a ***** until he sees his opponent is finally broken down or opened up in around the 2nd half of the fight. Very boring style/fighter. Even if he won, his fighting style is for ******* :) So theres my excuse if he should win already :) That's not saying I can't see skill when I see it.

Style makes fights.

on feb 26th, you will see a much improved pac vs. the predictable and passive counter-puncher jmm. i will take pacman anytime against jmm, but that doesn't mean i'm disrespecting jmm...am i? :cool:

Totally agree that Pac and JMM's styles make this rematch very exciting, not just Pac and not just Marquez. They are contrasts in style, but both are effective. One style must yield to the other.

No disrespect Janno. Good to see that at least one Pac fan can give Marquez props for his performance. However, I don't expect Marquez at 31-yrs age will be suddenly "old" in the rematch. Both Pac and Marquez have never been to war like they did in Fight #1. One war won't make either of them old quickly. The rematch shouldn't either.

Regarding "predictability", we'll have to talk again after Feb 26 and see what actually happens. My prediction is JMM will have more tools in his box than Manny and will out-point him. I expect Fight of The Year.

Juan Manuel Marquez......LOL

LOLOLOLOL WOW haven't laugh liek this in a while :D Nice sig chupa !

I'm watching to see if pacman gets knockd out with an unppercut and a hook while lunging in or if marquez finally gets slept by one of those devasting straight lefts of pac's...

LOLOLOLOL WOW haven't laugh liek this in a while :D Nice sig chupa !

for me its PACMAN of course..

really funny sig by chups &

a nice avatr also preng mooks..

Ha ha! That is what tracy is telling me in the other thread.

Look, for me personally, JMM is the draw. But, it takes two to put on a great fight, period. Either one of them in the ring by themselves would look pretty silly shadow boxing, and I dont think anybody would pay to see that.
I will give both fighters credit and say that its both of them and their last fight that draws peoples interest..not just one of them. Together they made a fantastic 'first fight', and I expect the rematch to be similar (minus the knockdowns)

According to your question, the majority said JMM was the reason, and almost everyone (almost, I said) that picked Manny are his die-hard fans...(most of you have a part of his name in your user name..so do you really count?)

Oh, I also think its amusing that you'd start an acual thread on this issue cause I posted that JMM had alot of American fans :D

I was thinking about this purse issue. JMM could be asking for more as his final payday. He wants the most he can get and leaves. JMM wanted fame and he got it after Pacman fight though now that he got it, I don't think he wants it anymore. He realizes the hell he has to go through to get the fame and would probably leave that to his counter parts, MAB and EM that probably enjoy it more. Even if JMM got famous through Manny, does that mean he will still be a huge hit with his fighting style? I mean cmon, it's the sleeper style that would make a non boxing fan hate the sport even more. See Barrera is counter puncher also though he isn't afraid to go all out more often that you wouldn't even think he is a counter puncher. JMM plays a ***** until he sees his opponent is finally broken down or opened up in around the 2nd half of the fight. Very boring style/fighter. Even if he won, his fighting style is for ******* :) So theres my excuse if he should win already :) That's not saying I can't see skill when I see it.

To say that JMM got famous cause of Pac is rediculous! just cause you werent a fan doesnt mean he wasnt well known in the States. And what's this about his style being for *******?
God, it's called BOXING!!! Having natural born skill and talent, and knowing how to use them just makes him a great technician...nothing ***** about that at all. Not all of us watch boxing just for knockouts...some of us like to see a true technician ply his craft, and I'm no ***** for it either.
I think it's sad that some of you cant pump Manny up without putting JMM down. Both are good fighters that bring something different to the table...so putting JMM down to brag about your boy is really not necessary, and calling a true BOXERS style "*****" gives the impression that you dont know a thing about boxing (other than knockouts, that is)

Look, for me personally, JMM is the draw. But, it takes two to put on a great fight, period. Either one of them in the ring by themselves would look pretty silly shadow boxing, and I dont think anybody would pay to see that.
I will give both fighters credit and say that its both of them and their last fight that draws peoples interest..not just one of them. Together they made a fantastic 'first fight', and I expect the rematch to be similar (minus the knockdowns)

According to your question, the majority said JMM was the reason, and almost everyone (almost, I said) that picked Manny are his die-hard fans...(most of you have a part of his name in your user name..so do you really count?)

Oh, I also think its amusing that you'd start an acual thread on this issue cause I posted that JMM had alot of American fans :D

Larry Merchant put it best when he said that the 3 knockdowns in the first round made the drama that we've watched.

To say that JMM got famous cause of Pac is rediculous! just cause you werent a fan doesnt mean he wasnt well known in the States. And what's this about his style being for *******?
God, it's called BOXING!!! Having natural born skill and talent, and knowing how to use them just makes him a great technician...nothing ***** about that at all. Not all of us watch boxing just for knockouts...some of us like to see a true technician ply his craft, and I'm no ***** for it either.
I think it's sad that some of you cant pump Manny up without putting JMM down. Both are good fighters that bring something different to the table...so putting JMM down to brag about your boy is really not necessary, and calling a true BOXERS style "*****" gives the impression that you dont know a thing about boxing (other than knockouts, that is)

nice post tracy, but i have to disagree with you that jmm was famous here in the states...he was a virtual unknown even in mexico before he was fitted against pac. btw, there are also pac "nuthuggers" (as some people put it) who don't put jmm down and are only defending pac and sharing their opinions/views about the topic.

Larry Merchant put it best when he said that the 3 knockdowns in the first round made the drama that we've watched.

And don't forget how jmm miraculously rose from the ashes to make the fight a real thriller (or else the jmm fanatics will cry foul).... :D

Totally agree that Pac and JMM's styles make this rematch very exciting, not just Pac and not just Marquez. They are contrasts in style, but both are effective. One style must yield to the other.

No disrespect Janno. Good to see that at least one Pac fan can give Marquez props for his performance. However, I don't expect Marquez at 31-yrs age will be suddenly "old" in the rematch. Both Pac and Marquez have never been to war like they did in Fight #1. One war won't make either of them old quickly. The rematch shouldn't either.

Regarding "predictability", we'll have to talk again after Feb 26 and see what actually happens. My prediction is JMM will have more tools in his box than Manny and will out-point him. I expect Fight of The Year.

no problem my friend...we just see things differently from another angle. it's good to have good debates about boxers we like without disrespecting each other and our fighters...but then again...i believe in pac's abilities as a fighter. i agree that he still has a lot to improve and i bet he can do that under the watchful eye of freddie roach.

am gonna see this fight coz of pacman. but they're right, its more of both of them that makes this match more exciting. am excited to see if JMM has something more to give other than his boxing skills. coz one thing for sure, pacman will be coming in with a lot of surprises and i can bet that JMM will kiss the canvas again (no disrespect). am also excited to see up to what extent will pac show the big difference of his fight when he was handicaped and when he's not. i dont think there will be excuses this time. there's only one way i see JMM can win this match. that is again through administrative gifts and by throwing low blows and elbows. am 100% sure that JMM will not be showing a good clean fight (no disrespect just based on previous facts). peace. ;)

I am watching pac because he clearly is the more explosive of the two, however I do believe he will not win this fight jmm is going to be the better boxer in the ring and his heart is clearly big enough to keep him going ifhe runs into a little trouble, which means that pac is going to have ti kill jmm to win and he might just get ko'd late if he goes all out. truth be told I am rooting for both fighters and hope we have a rivalry brewing

Larry Merchant put it best when he said that the 3 knockdowns in the first round made the drama that we've watched.

Oh yeah, Larry Merchant says alot of things, some make sense, most dont, and I doubt that he remembers the majority of them when he's sober the next day.
Thats cool...all of you keep giving pac all the credit..thats fine with me. I know what I know, and that is that its impossible to sell tickets to a one man event, so it takes two to put on a fight.
Regardless of what some of you claim, JMM had plenty of fans here in the states long before Pac..that is just the truth. You dont have to like it, but I'm sorry to tell you that Pac DID NOT make the mans career (or his name)..that is an insult to him and all the hard work he's done over the years, no matter how you dice it.

def for both of them
but im rooten for
Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Márquez
but like some one else said
it takes two to make a great fight

I actually started this thread knowing that it takes two to tango, this will be a very exiting and very explosive fight. For me Pacman met his match agaisnt JMM and I am expecting nothing less than their previous fight. It is an explosive combination that you don't know when it will explode. But another question which may irritate some of you here, will you watch JMM/Salido2 or JMM/Pacman2?

Look, for me personally, JMM is the draw. But, it takes two to put on a great fight, period. Either one of them in the ring by themselves would look pretty silly shadow boxing, and I dont think anybody would pay to see that.
I will give both fighters credit and say that its both of them and their last fight that draws peoples interest..not just one of them. Together they made a fantastic 'first fight', and I expect the rematch to be similar (minus the knockdowns)

According to your question, the majority said JMM was the reason, and almost everyone (almost, I said) that picked Manny are his die-hard fans...(most of you have a part of his name in your user name..so do you really count?)

Oh, I also think its amusing that you'd start an acual thread on this issue cause I posted that JMM had alot of American fans :D

I do respect you opinion that people will watch PAC-JMM 2 to see them fight, it really takes two to Tango...

But to say JMM is the draw, IMHO that's funny, I will watch Pac fight Salido and I am sure I will be entertained, how about you Tracy you want to see or spend money on JMM-Salido2 ???

he he he ...

To say that JMM got famous cause of Pac is rediculous! just cause you werent a fan doesnt mean he wasnt well known in the States. And what's this about his style being for *******?
God, it's called BOXING!!! Having natural born skill and talent, and knowing how to use them just makes him a great technician...nothing ***** about that at all. Not all of us watch boxing just for knockouts...some of us like to see a true technician ply his craft, and I'm no ***** for it either.
I think it's sad that some of you cant pump Manny up without putting JMM down. Both are good fighters that bring something different to the table...so putting JMM down to brag about your boy is really not necessary, and calling a true BOXERS style "*****" gives the impression that you dont know a thing about boxing (other than knockouts, that is)

Your very right Tracy, since I was a kid I always like boxers over sluggers like Ali over Foreman, SGL over Duran ...

But I really don't see anybody putting JMM down so we could pump up Pac, if were going to put JMM down, its just like putting PAC down remember they fought a draw last time, Pac put JMM 3x on the canvass, but JMM won more rounds, it's as close as its gonna get...

boxing can frustrate anybody from fighters to fans, i give credit where credit is due and thinks JMM is a master in the ring but i still won't watch him against nobodies, but I am very interested to see him against MAB or EM ...

Your very right Tracy, since I was a kid I always like boxers over sluggers like Ali over Foreman, SGL over Duran ...

But I really don't see anybody putting JMM down so we could pump up Pac, if were going to put JMM down, its just like putting PAC down remember they fought a draw last time, Pac put JMM 3x on the canvass, but JMM won more rounds, it's as close as its gonna get...

boxing can frustrate anybody from fighters to fans, i give credit where credit is due and thinks JMM is a master in the ring but i still won't watch him against nobodies, but I am very interested to see him against MAB or EM ...
the reason is coz he havent proven himself yet against true elite fighters like them. just getting a draw from a good fighter when he's half disabled doesnt prove anything.

JMM vs Norwood = Boring
JMM vs Salido = Boring

Pacman vs anyone = Exciting



Pacman hands down

JMM vs anyone = boring

JMM vs anyone = boring

Hipocrit...JMM-Mp?.... :rolleyes: :D :p

this is what the pacman will do on JMM:


http://poetry.rotten.com/shaved*****/shaved*****.jpg

this is what the pacman will do on JMM:



AND THAT IS?.......

AND THAT IS?.......
shaved ***** hahahahaha

shaved ***** hahahahaha

so is that you in the picture?........

whats more disgusting other than your face is...are they seeling cats as meat to eat?....

so is that you in the picture?........

whats more disgusting other than your face is...are they seeling cats as meat to eat?....
actually it's you holding skinned JMM?

hahahahha chupacola... lmao at your sig. thats great i love it!

o yea.. jmm is the reason.
lol... u should see his other pic

so is that you in the picture?........

whats more disgusting other than your face is...are they seeling cats as meat to eat?....

What do you think makes your Spam very delicioius? (JOKE!!!!) :D

Your very right Tracy, since I was a kid I always like boxers over sluggers like Ali over Foreman, SGL over Duran ...

But I really don't see anybody putting JMM down so we could pump up Pac, if were going to put JMM down, its just like putting PAC down remember they fought a draw last time, Pac put JMM 3x on the canvass, but JMM won more rounds, it's as close as its gonna get...

boxing can frustrate anybody from fighters to fans, i give credit where credit is due and thinks JMM is a master in the ring but i still won't watch him against nobodies, but I am very interested to see him against MAB or EM ...

I'll watch JMM against anybody myself. I like his style, which covers just about everything a boxer should. He doesnt rely on power or intimidation...just pure boxing skill. I can never find fault with that..not at all. ;)
And, if you really didnt see anybody putting JMM down, you should look again! He has had his style called a style for *******...and even that he was a nobody til he met up with Pac..which simply isnt true. He has worked too hard for too long to not been known and have a fan base before Pac, and to say otherwise IS an insult to him... Maybe in Pac's country he was an unknown, but not here in the States.
Matter of fact, I had never heard of Pac til his fight with Barrera! :eek:

I'll watch JMM against anybody myself. I like his style, which covers just about everything a boxer should. He doesnt rely on power or intimidation...just pure boxing skill. I can never find fault with that..not at all. ;)

I have to repeat what i asked earlier, I am willing to watch even pay for Pac-Salido, but are you sure you want to see JMM against anybody how about "JMM-Salido 2" ???

if your answer is yes, i got to say it you, belong to a limited breed a very small group ...

but i do respect your opinion Tracy... i guess for this fight PAC-JMM 2, for me PAC is the draw but JMM sure makes it more interesting and i bet any JMM fan would be feeling much the same way for PAC ...

I have to repeat what i asked earlier, I am willing to watch even pay for Pac-Salido, but are you sure you want to see JMM against anybody how about "JMM-Salido 2" ???

if your answer is yes, i got to say it you, belong to a limited breed a very small group ...

but i do respect your opinion Tracy... i guess for this fight PAC-JMM 2, for me PAC is the draw but JMM sure makes it more interesting and i bet any JMM fan would be feeling much the same way for PAC ...

It may not always be exciting and heart stopping as hell, but I genuinely enjoy watching JMM fight against anybody! The man is a true technician, and I like watching him in action. No, he doesnt necessairly swarm his opponet , no, he doesnt knock out all his opponets, but he does outbox them ...so yeah, I guess I do belong in that limited group! :o
Anyway, for all Pac fans of course he is the draw, and to alot of JMM fans, JMM is the draw, but in all honestly, their first fight is the real draw here in my opinion. Sure, some can give all the credit to Pac for the multiple knockdowns, but some of us have to give credit to JMM for getting up after each knockdown and making the proper adjustments (with a broken nose, from what I hear) and coming back and outboxing Manny.
What JMM did that night was nothing short of amazing...a brutal first round that would have made a lesser man quit right then...but not him. If he had not been able to continue, and/or was just Mannys punching bag all night long, the fight would have been a dud; a complete bore. Since that isnt the way it went, and JMM did impress too, I'd bet that that is one of the reasons this rematch is so anticipated. Just my opinion though! ;)

And, if you really didnt see anybody putting JMM down, you should look again! He has had his style called a style for *******...and even that he was a nobody til he met up with Pac..which simply isnt true. He has worked too hard for too long to not been known and have a fan base before Pac, and to say otherwise IS an insult to him... Maybe in Pac's country he was an unknown, but not here in the States.
Matter of fact, I had never heard of Pac til his fight with Barrera! :eek:

I see that as trash talk similar to "my man will kick your man's ass"...

I myself been taking a lot of harsh words/insults from day 1 from all corners but that does not affect me, cuz i know its not true, so I don't think JMM would be insulted/affected if he thinks all those trash talks are not true...

It may not always be exciting and heart stopping as hell, but I genuinely enjoy watching JMM fight against anybody! The man is a true technician, and I like watching him in action. No, he doesnt necessairly swarm his opponet , no, he doesnt knock out all his opponets, but he does outbox them ...so yeah, I guess I do belong in that limited group! :o
Anyway, for all Pac fans of course he is the draw, and to alot of JMM fans, JMM is the draw, but in all honestly, their first fight is the real draw here in my opinion. Sure, some can give all the credit to Pac for the multiple knockdowns, but some of us have to give credit to JMM for getting up after each knockdown and making the proper adjustments (with a broken nose, from what I hear) and coming back and outboxing Manny.
What JMM did that night was nothing short of amazing...a brutal first round that would have made a lesser man quit right then...but not him. If he had not been able to continue, and/or was just Mannys punching bag all night long, the fight would have been a dud; a complete bore. Since that isnt the way it went, and JMM did impress too, I'd bet that that is one of the reasons this rematch is so anticipated. Just my opinion though! ;)

you hit all the right buttons and i agree on all points, like what you said as a PACFAN for me PAC is the draw but JMM really makes this fight more interesting cuz he has the tools to beat my man and vice versa ....

you hit all the right buttons and i agree on all points, like what you said as a PACFAN for me PAC is the draw but JMM really makes this fight more interesting cuz he has the tools to beat my man and vice versa ....

Cool...it will be one hell of a fight, and it wouldnt be quite the same if either of them were facing someone else than each other. ;) I'm just ready for it to happen, already!!!!
I just realized something...youre up late today, arent you? :eek:

Oh yeah, Larry Merchant says alot of things, some make sense, most dont, and I doubt that he remembers the majority of them when he's sober the next day.
Thats cool...all of you keep giving pac all the credit..thats fine with me. I know what I know, and that is that its impossible to sell tickets to a one man event, so it takes two to put on a fight.
Regardless of what some of you claim, JMM had plenty of fans here in the states long before Pac..that is just the truth. You dont have to like it, but I'm sorry to tell you that Pac DID NOT make the mans career (or his name)..that is an insult to him and all the hard work he's done over the years, no matter how you dice it.

lol Trace, I was merely pointing out that had Marquez outboxed Manny for twelve and got the UD or Pacquiao knocking him out, it wouldn't have been half as exciting as the way the fight played out, JMM making a comeback after getting knocked down three times. THAT was what made the drama, the excitement, the thriller. I wasn't BASHING Marquez, I was actually COMMENDING his heart. What Larry said couldn't have been more true that time although he does say dumb things sometimes like every other commentator.

As for who made who? If Pac would have won, people would realize he's legit, if Marquez would have won, people would realize he was trully the "avoided one". It goes both ways and a win for either man would have been a very significant one in his carreer. Both would have if not already made the other one famous.

lol Trace, I was merely pointing out that had Marquez outboxed Manny for twelve and got the UD or Pacquiao knocking him out, it wouldn't have been half as exciting as the way the fight played out, JMM making a comeback after getting knocked down three times. THAT was what made the drama, the excitement, the thriller. I wasn't BASHING Marquez, I was actually COMMENDING his heart. What Larry said couldn't have been more true that time although he does say dumb things sometimes like every other commentator.

As for who made who? If Pac would have won, people would realize he's legit, if Marquez would have won, people would realize he was trully the "avoided one". It goes both ways and a win for either man would have been a very significant one in his carreer. Both would have if not already made the other one famous.

Okay cool...honestly I wasnt sure what you meant when you quoted Larry (quoting Larry is a risky business, ya know :D ).
That is pretty much the same thing I posted earlier to jomapac ...that the reason the rematch was so anticipated was cause of the way JMM came back after 3 knockdowns and made the adjustments, and cause the both of them made the first fight so exciting..so for once we agree on something!!!!! Wow, now I'm scared..the damn world is gonna stop twirling or something! :p

Okay cool...honestly I wasnt sure what you meant when you quoted Larry (quoting Larry is a risky business, ya know :D ).
That is pretty much the same thing I posted earlier to jomapac ...that the reason the rematch was so anticipated was cause of the way JMM came back after 3 knockdowns and made the adjustments, and cause the both of them made the first fight so exciting..so for once we agree on something!!!!! Wow, now I'm scared..the damn world is gonna stop twirling or something! :p

see? your just so quick on the trigger to think I always disagree. Guess my posts are a lil vague. Still MP knocks him out LOL :D

see? your just so quick on the trigger to think I always disagree. Guess my posts are a lil vague. Still MP knocks him out LOL :D

Nope, no knock out..that is one thing we will keep disagreeing on I guess (until fight night, anyway) :D

Nope, no knock out..that is one thing we will keep disagreeing on I guess (until fight night, anyway) :D

You DO realize trace that if Pacquiao knocks him out you will be subject to much gloating and rubbing in? :D

For all those IGNORANTES that say that Marquez was a total unknown Boxer before he beat tha Felipe, There is a JM marquez page on the web thats been around for about 4 years now!!! It has a forum as well and guess what...??? Is totally in English!! And if you ask me... Marquez NO habla Ingles!! :D

So dont bring that crap that Marquez got to be known cause of tha Felipe!!
So if yall want to hop on the Marquez wagon... here it is:

Juanmanuelmarquez.com (http://)

And if is Tha pac wagon yall want to ride on... here it is:

http://mannypacquiao.com/ (http://)
But guess what?? It aint open yet... Not enough American fans for him to have his own page. If you click the pac link it says... "Stay tuned... This website is coming soon!"

It might not come at all.... They dont want to risk opening it soon and Marquez killing Pac come Feb 26... Than what? JAJAJAJA :D

For all those IGNORANTES that say that Marquez was a total unknown Boxer before he beat tha Felipe, There is a JM marquez page on the web thats been around for about 4 years now!!! It has a forum as well and guess what...??? Is totally in English!! And if you ask me... Marquez NO habla Ingles!! :D

So dont bring that crap that Marquez got to be known cause of tha Felipe!!
So if yall want to hop on the Marquez wagon... here it is:

Juanmanuelmarquez.com (http://)

And if is Tha pac wagon yall want to ride on... here it is:

http://mannypacquiao.com/ (http://)
But guess what?? It aint open yet... Not enough American fans for him to have his own page. If you click the pac link it says... "Stay tuned... This website is coming soon!"

It might not come at all.... They dont want to risk opening it soon and Marquez killing Pac come Feb 26... Than what? JAJAJAJA

jajajajajajaja
:D

Try to find a JMM fan in that juanmanuelmarquez.com site. Just try or better yet ask Top Rank how it was :D

You want a Pac wagon, how about the Pac train in mannypacquiao.ph

LOL when you try to be wiity and it backfires, you get comedy :cool:

You DO realize trace that if Pacquiao knocks him out you will be subject to much gloating and rubbing in? :D

lol, absolutely! And it wont be the first time that has happened either :o But, thats okay, cause I'll actually deserve it for sticking to my opinions on this issue. I just have to hope that JMM doesnt let me down! ;)

I'll watch JMM against anybody myself. I like his style, which covers just about everything a boxer should. He doesnt rely on power or intimidation...just pure boxing skill. I can never find fault with that..not at all. ;)
And, if you really didnt see anybody putting JMM down, you should look again! He has had his style called a style for *******...and even that he was a nobody til he met up with Pac..which simply isnt true. He has worked too hard for too long to not been known and have a fan base before Pac, and to say otherwise IS an insult to him... Maybe in Pac's country he was an unknown, but not here in the States.
Matter of fact, I had never heard of Pac til his fight with Barrera! :eek:

Tracy, I think I said "virtually unknown", and I think it's politically correct to put it that way since most regular mexicans/americans didn't know him. it was only before pac that his popularity increased. mab & morales were lightyears away from him...and since pac's beating up of barrera was a talk of boxing world for a few weeks, his popularity was catapulted several hundred times. talk about a style that doesn't appeal to masses, i guess...

BTW: Pac fought in Memphis two times before MAB, firstas an undercard in Lewis-Tyson against Sanchez (if I'm not mistaken), and another fight as undercard too (I forgot his opponent) tho. I wonder why a boxing enthusiast living in Tennessee like you would miss that...just asking?

For all those IGNORANTES that say that Marquez was a total unknown Boxer before he beat tha Felipe, There is a JM marquez page on the web thats been around for about 4 years now!!! It has a forum as well and guess what...??? Is totally in English!! And if you ask me... Marquez NO habla Ingles!! :D

So dont bring that crap that Marquez got to be known cause of tha Felipe!!
So if yall want to hop on the Marquez wagon... here it is:

Juanmanuelmarquez.com (http://)

And if is Tha pac wagon yall want to ride on... here it is:

http://mannypacquiao.com/ (http://)
But guess what?? It aint open yet... Not enough American fans for him to have his own page. If you click the pac link it says... "Stay tuned... This website is coming soon!"

It might not come at all.... They dont want to risk opening it soon and Marquez killing Pac come Feb 26... Than what? JAJAJAJA :D

Hey Martha, where did you get your information...JMM's site only started August of last year and created by the same group who started MAB's official site a few months after his fight with Pac. I know this for a fact because I was a member there the day they plugged it on..not to mention that 75% of the posters there are mostly Pac fans.

Pac's non-official website started by a Pac fan in the Phils. almost a year before that to record/highlight Pac's exploits in the ring . The Pac site you got is by some persons here in the States trying to capitalize on Manny's fame and is more commercial in nature.

Do you know maurico95 by any chance?

Tracy, I think I said "virtually unknown", and I think it's politically correct to put it that way since most regular mexicans/americans didn't know him. it was only before pac that his popularity increased. mab & morales were lightyears away from him...and since pac's beating up of barrera was a talk of boxing world for a few weeks, his popularity was catapulted several hundred times. talk about a style that doesn't appeal to masses, i guess...

BTW: Pac fought in Memphis two times before MAB, firstas an undercard in Lewis-Tyson against Sanchez (if I'm not mistaken), and another fight as undercard too (I forgot his opponent) tho. I wonder why a boxing enthusiast living in Tennessee like you would miss that...just asking?

I was unable to see that fight live even though it was just a few hours away. Unless the undercard was televised I didnt see Pac fight then. I'd have to check my documents to see if that particular fight is listed..if it's in my documents, then I've seen it. I may have seen him fight before MAB..I'm not sure, but if I had I still didnt recognize the name. And of course after the beating he gave Barrera I made a point to remember him ;)

Off course I want to see them both - Pacman and JMM. But I think Pacman will finish JMM this time with a bomb. !!!

For your info guys, Pacman's unoffical website is:

www.mannypacquiao.ph

jajajajajajaja
:D

Try to find a JMM fan in that juanmanuelmarquez.com site. Just try or better yet ask Top Rank how it was :D

You want a Pac wagon, how about the Pac train in mannypacquiao.ph

LOL when you try to be wiity and it backfires, you get comedy :cool:

:D there is no JMM site yet, both are more of pacquiao sites

JMM's heart & Pac's offense

The first was a classic, and was fight of the year until the Barrera/Morales war. It wont be as good because JMM figured out Pac and learned how to deal with his power, so its going to be tactical .... JMM is going to pick Pac apart.

This post pretty much sums up the Pac-Marquez II outcome. Full Stop.

Manny has a style that has worked for him, including a few rounds with JMM. But, a boxer he 'aint and a boxer/counter monster JMM is.

JMM late TKO or wide UD.

Nuthiggers please recall that Pac let Marquez outpoint him after giving-up an early 10-6 (10-7?) round. That spells trouble when Marquez shows-up ready for fast hands but predictable "style".

This post pretty much sums up the Pac-Marquez II outcome. Full Stop.

Manny has a style that has worked for him, including a few rounds with JMM. But, a boxer he 'aint and a boxer/counter monster JMM is.

JMM late TKO or wide UD.

Nuthiggers please recall that Pac let Marquez outpoint him after giving-up an early 10-6 (10-7?) round. That spells trouble when Marquez shows-up ready for fast hands but predictable "style".
LOL :D :D :D

This fight si gonig to be a barnburner and a classic, better than the first, which is difficult to pull off. Pac knows that he will have to work harder to get his punches off against the defense and counterpunching JMM. Pac will win this fight, in my opinion, but I would not be suprised if JMM wins a close decision based on his countering and making Pac miss.

:D there is no JMM site yet, both are more of pacquiao sites

LOL, very true! Es verdad.

http://mannypacquiao.ph/gallery/albums/vs.marquez.reuters/normal_2004-05-
http://mannypacquiao.ph/gallery/albums/userpics/vs.marquez.fightphotos/normal_paqmarq126.jpghttp://mannypacquiao.ph/gallery/albums/vs.marquez.reuters/normal_2004-05-09T051711Z_01_LAV07D_RTRIDSP_2_SPORT-BOXING.jpg

I was unable to see that fight live even though it was just a few hours away. Unless the undercard was televised I didnt see Pac fight then. I'd have to check my documents to see if that particular fight is listed..if it's in my documents, then I've seen it. I may have seen him fight before MAB..I'm not sure, but if I had I still didnt recognize the name. And of course after the beating he gave Barrera I made a point to remember him ;)

okay...thanks for your answer...take care. :)

I still can't figure out why JMM allowed Pacquiao to again engage him toe to toe after rounds 3,4,5, and 6 where he thoroughly outboxed Pacquiao.

Try to think of it deeper. In the rematch, they will be where they left off. Just like rounds 7-12 of their first fight.

But one problem for Marquez is Pacquiao is becoming a natural featherweight and more powerful.

In their 2nd fight, Pacquiao will be 10% more powerful. And if you take a look at their first fight, even the 1-dimensional Pacquiao gave Marquez a beating. Landing just 10 less punches than Marquez while landing the harder ones. That even a 10% deviation from their physical properties will give the other one troubles.

Now, age is a factor now. Pacquiao can still get more powerful while Marquez will only keep his previous forms.

Notice how Marquez was waiting for Pac's left straight before throwing his combos. That was the reason why Pacquiao landed a lot of left straights. Check the stats. And that reason alone is cause for concern.

In the 2nd fight, Marquez will no longer be able to endure those punches before countering. If he try, he'll get knocked out quickly.

I still can't figure out why JMM allowed Pacquiao to again engage him toe to toe after rounds 3,4,5, and 6 where he thoroughly outboxed Pacquiao.

Try to think of it deeper. In the rematch, they will be where they left off. Just like rounds 7-12 of their first fight.

But one problem for Marquez is Pacquiao is becoming a natural featherweight and more powerful.

In their 2nd fight, Pacquiao will be 10% more powerful. And if you take a look at their first fight, even the 1-dimensional Pacquiao gave Marquez a beating. Landing just 10 less punches than Marquez while landing the harder ones. That even a 10% deviation from their physical properties will give the other one troubles.

Now, age is a factor now. Pacquiao can still get more powerful while Marquez will only keep his previous forms.

Notice how Marquez was waiting for Pac's left straight before throwing his combos. That was the reason why Pacquiao landed a lot of left straights. Check the stats. And that reason alone is cause for concern.

In the 2nd fight, Marquez will no longer be able to endure those punches before countering. If he try, he'll get knocked out quickly.

Another good post fro Silencer. It feels like MAB Forum all over again :D

I still can't figure out why JMM allowed Pacquiao to again engage him toe to toe after rounds 3,4,5, and 6 where he thoroughly outboxed Pacquiao.

Try to think of it deeper. In the rematch, they will be where they left off. Just like rounds 7-12 of their first fight.

But one problem for Marquez is Pacquiao is becoming a natural featherweight and more powerful.

In their 2nd fight, Pacquiao will be 10% more powerful. And if you take a look at their first fight, even the 1-dimensional Pacquiao gave Marquez a beating. Landing just 10 less punches than Marquez while landing the harder ones. That even a 10% deviation from their physical properties will give the other one troubles.

Now, age is a factor now. Pacquiao can still get more powerful while Marquez will only keep his previous forms.

Notice how Marquez was waiting for Pac's left straight before throwing his combos. That was the reason why Pacquiao landed a lot of left straights. Check the stats. And that reason alone is cause for concern.

In the 2nd fight, Marquez will no longer be able to endure those punches before countering. If he try, he'll get knocked out quickly.

Nice post, very articulate, would have given you some good karma for that but i've maxed out for the day. :D

:D there is no JMM site yet, both are more of pacquiao sites

Top Rank where are the JMM Fans ??? does he really have fans ???

I know he is a master inside the ring but i guess his style is not fans friendly , a total bore ...

Top Rank where are the JMM Fans ??? does he really have fans ???

I know he is a master inside the ring but i guess his style is not fans friendly , a total bore ...
hopkins isnt exactly exciting
niether is mayweather
yet they are amoung the best fighters

hopkins isnt exactly exciting
niether is mayweather
yet they are amoung the best fighters

hopkins & mayweather may not be exactly exciting but they are not a total bore either ...

i could see that there are several fans here at boxingsce and that's good to know but even the official JMM Site don't show enough of them ...


so my question still stick, where are the JMM Fans ???

or just maybe his fans are not as passionate (nuthuggers), he he he ...

WTF? All my colleagues are here!!! Why aren't you telling me you are on this site.

PAC KOes JMM!!!

Arum KOes JMM. Argh!

jajajajajajaja
:D

Try to find a JMM fan in that juanmanuelmarquez.com site. Just try or better yet ask Top Rank how it was :D

You want a Pac wagon, how about the Pac train in mannypacquiao.ph

LOL when you try to be wiity and it backfires, you get comedy :cool:
good shot m00ks!

jajajajajajaja
:D

Try to find a JMM fan in that juanmanuelmarquez.com site. Just try or better yet ask Top Rank how it was :D

You want a Pac wagon, how about the Pac train in mannypacquiao.ph

LOL when you try to be wiity and it backfires, you get comedy :cool:
hehehe lolz... his not really knew what he talking about :D

This post pretty much sums up the Pac-Marquez II outcome. Full Stop.

Manny has a style that has worked for him, including a few rounds with JMM. But, a boxer he 'aint and a boxer/counter monster JMM is.

JMM late TKO or wide UD.

Nuthiggers please recall that Pac let Marquez outpoint him after giving-up an early 10-6 (10-7?) round. That spells trouble when Marquez shows-up ready for fast hands but predictable "style".
JMM in his first fight against Pacman was in full capability to do what he can do and yet havent done it. considering Pacman being half disabled. if he cant do it with a Pacman only half performing, there's no way he can do it with a 100% Pac.

I still can't figure out why JMM allowed Pacquiao to again engage him toe to toe after rounds 3,4,5, and 6 where he thoroughly outboxed Pacquiao.

Try to think of it deeper. In the rematch, they will be where they left off. Just like rounds 7-12 of their first fight.

But one problem for Marquez is Pacquiao is becoming a natural featherweight and more powerful.

In their 2nd fight, Pacquiao will be 10% more powerful. And if you take a look at their first fight, even the 1-dimensional Pacquiao gave Marquez a beating. Landing just 10 less punches than Marquez while landing the harder ones. That even a 10% deviation from their physical properties will give the other one troubles.

Now, age is a factor now. Pacquiao can still get more powerful while Marquez will only keep his previous forms.

Notice how Marquez was waiting for Pac's left straight before throwing his combos. That was the reason why Pacquiao landed a lot of left straights. Check the stats. And that reason alone is cause for concern.

In the 2nd fight, Marquez will no longer be able to endure those punches before countering. If he try, he'll get knocked out quickly.
exactly! the only reason he survived that in the first fight is coz Pac's left hand is no longer capable of giving KD's after the 2nd round. what do you think would happen to JMM if he recieved all of those from Pac's uninjured left hand?

okay...thanks for your answer...take care. :)

No problem..I enjoy debating with you cause youre never insulting! ;) A good quality

Pacquiao, because as exciting as Marquez-Gainer was, I like Pacquiao a little more.

WTF? All my colleagues are here!!! Why aren't you telling me you are on this site.

PAC KOes JMM!!!

Arum KOes JMM. Argh!
fuk
looks like bs is goin to start getting over run
even more so
by pac nutthuggers
i mean testicle caressers
its less offensive
lol

exactly! the only reason he survived that in the first fight is coz Pac's left hand is no longer capable of giving KD's after the 2nd round. what do you think would happen to JMM if he recieved all of those from Pac's uninjured left hand?


I dont think that JMM would just stand there and let Pac take pop shots at him all night long if both his hands were fine. He got knocked down 3 times in the first round, and then he made the proper adjustments...pac not knockign him down more the rest of the night had more to do with JMM figuring out his style, etc. and adjusting to it than it had to do with pac's supposedly hurt hands. Give the guy some credit..pac didnt land more cause JMM didnt let him..

OK Pac fans. Please stop would ya'?

If we all agree that Pac got 3 very clean KD's against Marquez, which demonstrated his best attributes (i.e. speed and power in left hand)can't you also see that Marquez then outpointed Pac over the remaining 11 Rounds (using his best attributes: i.e. boxing skill)?

OK Pac fans. Please stop would ya'?

If we all agree that Pac got 3 very clean KD's against Marquez, which demonstrated his best attributes (i.e. speed and power in left hand)can't you also see that Marquez then outpointed Pac over the remaining 11 Rounds (using his best attributes: i.e. boxing skill)?

I think we've all acknowledged that. No one is taking away his heart effort and skills. Although I'll enevr see how JMM apparently "swept" Pac for the remaining 11. That's just giving JMM wayyy too much credit.

OK Pac fans. Please stop would ya'?

If we all agree that Pac got 3 very clean KD's against Marquez, which demonstrated his best attributes (i.e. speed and power in left hand)can't you also see that Marquez then outpointed Pac over the remaining 11 Rounds (using his best attributes: i.e. boxing skill)?
sorry but i never saw JMM outpointing Pac that much rounds. maybe majority of the rounds is better ut not enough rounds to say he won by points. plus he played realy dirty when he intentionally attempted to give low blows many times. some were successfully blocked by Pac. those are done only by frustrated fighters. tell me, why do you think JMM be frustrating? answer?... coz he knows he's losing.

I think we've all acknowledged that. No one is taking away his heart effort and skills. Although I'll enevr see how JMM apparently "swept" Pac for the remaining 11. That's just giving JMM wayyy too much credit.

Mooks. You've acknowledged that, very few others have. Any hint of a PacMan criticism, and most people in this thread begin pissing on Marquez's performnace like he never belonged in that fight.

Karma man, for giving JMM props for his obvious "heart, effort and skills".

I think we've all acknowledged that. No one is taking away his heart effort and skills. Although I'll enevr see how JMM apparently "swept" Pac for the remaining 11. That's just giving JMM wayyy too much credit.

Mooks. I meant Marquez outpointed him over the "remaining" rounds, not "swept" him in all 11.

Mooks. I meant Marquez outpointed him over the "remaining" rounds, not "swept" him in all 11.
like i said, i never saw JMM outpointing Pacman. otherwise, JMM could have won by points. but since it's a draw and Pac also could have won if it werent for an error in the score cards. JMM seemed to have been outpointed to me.

Mooks. I meant Marquez outpointed him over the "remaining" rounds, not "swept" him in all 11.

well then I'd agree. JMM did bank more rounds in the remaining eleven. I gave Pac the win cuz of the 10-6 first round which was a huge mountain for JMM to overcome. I do believe Pac did enough.
Thanx for teh karma bro, one coming your way as soon as I can.

I dont think that JMM would just stand there and let Pac take pop shots at him all night long if both his hands were fine. He got knocked down 3 times in the first round, and then he made the proper adjustments...pac not knockign him down more the rest of the night had more to do with JMM figuring out his style, etc. and adjusting to it than it had to do with pac's supposedly hurt hands. Give the guy some credit..pac didnt land more cause JMM didnt let him..
ok. to be fair with you. i dont discredit JMM for his heart and skills. i do give him credit on that. its just that the thought of JMM running away from a rematch with Pacman is just so frustrating for fans and you just couldnt expect those fans to give him credit for that. and we couldnt blame most fans if they would think JMM is being a chicken coz he just failed to prove he's not when he had the chance.

ok. to be fair with you. i dont discredit JMM for his heart and skills. i do give him credit on that. its just that the thought of JMM running away from a rematch with Pacman is just so frustrating for fans and you just couldnt expect those fans to give him credit for that. and we couldnt blame most fans if they would think JMM is being a chicken coz he just failed to prove he's not when he had the chance.

Most fans? Don't think so. JMM will eventually get his fight with Pac and will also get a decent payday. Chicken just doesn't make sense, you saw him engage Pac while eating big leather. A Chicken would give us "no mas"?

If Pac beats Morales (you never know what a big hitting Mexican can do) then JMM-Pac II will see Marquez with the lesser payday, as would be expected. No argument.

jmm will pick him apart in a rematch
morales will throw it in the wind and go to war with pac