Vitali vs. Rahman May 14th

Rahmans chin isn't that good, once he gets a taste of the power Vitali"s there will be no recovering.

Vitali's too tall, his reach is too long, he will come in in good shape. If he hits Rahman the way he did Williams, then the result will be similar.

Vitali vs. Rahman May 14th

Rahmans chin isn't that good, once he gets a taste of the power Vitali"s there will be no recovering.

Vitali's too tall, his reach is too long, he will come in in good shape. If he hits Rahman the way he did Williams, then the result will be similar.
ppv or not
either way
ill def be gettin this one
Vitali by savage ko

Vitali vs. Rahman May 14th

Rahmans chin isn't that good, once he gets a taste of the power Vitali"s there will be no recovering.

Vitali's too tall, his reach is too long, he will come in in good shape. If he hits Rahman the way he did Williams, then the result will be similar.

and where did you get this info from?

and where did you get this info from?

It's already on Boxrec, I also read it in a few other places.

VK will use his jab to keep Rahman away and shouldn't have much problem unless Don King will get his hands on VK' water :)

Rahman KO 8 or earlier. just as soon as rahman hits vit with a huge shot is when the fight will be over.

Vitali punishes Rahman for 6-8 rounds before putting him down for good.

I will go with Vitali in this one. Rahman can punch, and that's the only chance he has.... I just can't see Rahman out boxing Vitali.

it's probably safe to say that those who want Rahman to win really just want to see Rahman KO VK's nuthuggin fans, such as myself.. they probably dread to think of how excited we will be after VK gets another well-deserved convincing KO..
:rolleyes:

Why wold Rahman deserve a title shot? Vitali should fight Byrd or Toney.

Why wold Rahman deserve a title shot? Vitali should fight Byrd or Toney.

why does toney deserve a title shot?

why does toney deserve a title shot?

He dosen't but he's the #1 contender.

I will go with Vitali in this one. Rahman can punch, and that's the only chance he has.... I just can't see Rahman out boxing Vitali.



Rahman will fight hard, but i don't think he has the skills to get inside on V.K. where he'd really be effective. There's no ****ing way he'll outjab Big K, Rahman is gonna have to take some shots to move inside and deliver the big leather and he sure as hell needs to be able to last into the late rounds, he'll have to win them all or win by KO

Rahman has a chance if Vitali tires out early.

why does toney deserve a title shot?


toney is an all time great, he's got the skills, i'd like to see him in against frankenstein

toney vs byrd would be better suited for him, I think VK v Rahman is on an equal scale, I can see the fight going either way depending on which Rahman shows up.

Another boring heavyweight sleeper... :rolleyes:

another HW sleeper? WTF?...this is better then a lot of the crap we have had to watch on don king previous cards...i mean come on...anyway...

raham leaves himself to open to say this will go far...VK by ko...or more like rahman getting KTFO...anyway..

vk-ko/tko before 5th round or below

another HW sleeper? WTF?...this is better then a lot of the crap we have had to watch on don king previous cards...i mean come on...anyway...

raham leaves himself to open to say this will go far...VK by ko...or more like rahman getting KTFO...anyway..

vk-ko/tko before 5th round or below

Precisely!!! boring VK ktfo the rock. End of the story.

IMO This is a great fight. I could see it going either way.

BREAKING NEWS

Klitschko-Rahman, May 14 At MSG, MGM, or Mandalay Bay!
By G. Leon

January 07, 2005 - Sources from Team Rahman have informed **********.com that the eagerly anticipated heavyweight title fight between WBC champion Vitali Klitschko and mandatory challenger Hasim Rahman will likely take place on HBO on May 14 at either Madison Square Garden, The MGM Grand or The Mandalay Bay. It is not yet known whether or not the fight will appear on HBO World Championship Boxing, or HBO PPV. **********.com will continue to keep you updated so stay tuned! Remember Where You Heard It First! (12:30 AM ET)-boxing talk.net

Rahman will last longer than Williams. But will lose.

This is a decent fight compared to the competition Klitschko has been facing. Rahman has a chance if he can last 8 rounds or so with Klitschko's suspect stamina, but Rahman is just too easy to hit IMO. He's gonna need to come up with something better than just sticking his arms straight out (as in Lewis II) to keep away from Klitschko's punches. Rahman has a decent chin, but I don't think it'll be decent enough. I'd go for Klitschko by KO (mid-late rds).

I agree, it 'll be a good opponent, but Vitaly will be well prepared and KO Rahman in the late rounds.

Expect things to be the same as the Williams fight. Lewis showed what he could do when he was focused against Rahman by pummeling him for 5 rounds before the knockout. Considering that was about 3 years+ ago and considering what vitali did to lewis, and considering rahman's record these past couple of years...i would predict an early knockout for vitali.

considering what vitali did to lewis, and considering rahman's record these past couple of years...i would predict an early knockout for vitali.

u do know that LL beat VK.
and Rahman, KO'd LL. not seeing your point here.

vit by points

u do know that LL beat VK.
and Rahman, KO'd LL. not seeing your point here.

I think he was referring to the fact that Vitali outboxed Lewis and Rahman didn't.

vit by points
No way my friend. If this fight goes to the scorecard's, I guarantee you that they will give the decision to Rahman because Don King is involved. Vitali will probably win the fight 8 rounds to 4 but as soon as it goes into King's judges scorecard's Vitali will get ****ED!!!

No way my friend. If this fight goes to the scorecard's, I guarantee you that they will give the decision to Rahman because Don King is involved. Vitali will probably win the fight 8 rounds to 4 but as soon as it goes into King's judges scorecard's Vitali will get ****ED!!!

Which is exactly why I don't know why he is fighting a King fighter and not Toney or Barrett.

No judge is going to stand in Don King's way of controlling all four belts.

Which is exactly why I don't know why he is fighting a King fighter and not Toney or Barrett.
Maybe the WBC got on Vitali and are forcing him to fight Rahman. They are known to accept bribe's, so maybe Don King promised them a nice New Year's bonus for putting the heat on Vitali.

The following quote should tell you alot about what Don King is about and what his agenda's are.


When Golota steps into the ring against Brewster, who won his share of the title by knocking out Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali's brother, promoter King will have split allegiances.

He sees Brewster as his soldier who prevented the Klitschkos and their camps from capturing half the heavyweight championship market.

rahman is gonna get smashed back into his journeyman role :D

brewster can go back to being a contender when golota
outboxes him for 12rd decision and then the inevitable
matchup between v-klit and golota will go ahead.

then golota will get smashed back into his journeyman role :D

Is this the same Rahman that got beat by old man Holyfield? Vitali by KO.

Is this the same Rahman that got beat by old man Holyfield? Vitali by KO.
The worst image I have of Rahman is getting knocked through the ropes and into oblivion by Mr. no chin Maskaev. Now that was a brutal knockout.

The worst image I have of Rahman is getting knocked through the ropes and into oblivion by Mr. no chin Maskaev. Now that was a brutal knockout.
yep..i was thinking the saem thing...
rahman is gonna get demolished

First off Tyler, i agree with you on the Rahman front, i think Vitali by KO, something between midway and late. However, don`t assume Golota will beat Brewster, the one thing Brewster does well is punch and Golota has his history of blowing al his major fights against punchers, i kinda think Golota by dec but i will not be that surpirsed if Brewster wins only by Golota some how spoiling t for himself.
If Golota wins i think he takes Klitscko ( Vladimir that is, WBO manadatory ) inside three rds. Young Klit is taylor made for Golota, look at Micheal Grant vs Golota. Straight right hand!

anyone wanna bet against me i say that rahman will win

Another boring heavyweight sleeper... :rolleyes:

I cant remember one fight that Vitali was involved that was boring. In that case what the hell are you talking about than?

u do know that LL beat VK.
and Rahman, KO'd LL. not seeing your point here.


His point is that Vitali was beating or outboxing Lewis 4 rounds to 2, and Rahman got the KO over Lewis he didnt outbox him.

i was watching best damn sports show period a few days ago and jim lampley was saying that if anybody in the heavyweight division can beat vitali it's rahman.

i like rahman and i like VK
but i'm pretty sure VK will win, rahman takin a lot of punishment tho
rounds 4-8 VK

Someone tell me:
Who did Rahman beat to be considered a threat to VK except that one lucky punch against Lewis?

He lost to Tua, Maskaev, Holyfield, Lewis, and Ruiz. His winns are against a bunch of nobodys. Come on, you guys, get real :rolleyes:

Someone tell me:
Who did Rahman beat to be considered a threat to VK except that one lucky punch against Lewis?

He lost to Tua, Maskaev, Holyfield, Lewis, and Ruiz. His winns are against a bunch of nobodys. Come on, you guys, get real :rolleyes:


After Vit KO Rahman everyone will claim that Rahman was just a bum in the first place, a bum who lost to every worthy opponent he fought with.

I still have yet to have seen the fight between Rahman and Maskaev ..
Odds seem to be in VKs favor.. I doubt that Rahman can give VK more punishment than LL or CS gave him, not that it was tons of punishment, but VK did get knocked a few times.

Rahman has a very real chance of upseting Klitcshko if he comes ready to fight and in shape.

nah, this fight ain't even close. Rahman will be starched mid rds. Thats something im willing to bet on easily! Fat or in shape! :cool:

Starched!!!! LOL
yeah!
those are the best kind of knock outs... until it's no longer funny and you're wondering why the guy is foaming at the mouth and in convulsions..
remember when LL was on his back straight as a board, still trying to punch Rahman???
:D

This is interesting. I want to say Vitali's defense and height are to good. But Rahman is on a role right now and he is in way better shape than the ruiz and tua fights. Rahman said his mistake after Lewis was he started goin for the one punch KO. If he can box and get on the inside and land a clean one, he has the power to dethrone him.

This is interesting. I want to say Vitali's defense and height are to good. But Rahman is on a role right now and he is in way better shape than the ruiz and tua fights. Rahman said his mistake after Lewis was he started goin for the one punch KO. If he can box and get on the inside and land a clean one, he has the power to dethrone him.


how the **** is he gonna get on the indside??? i like Rahman but he don't have the skills, at best he'll eat a lot of shot to get inside

beeatch said: "how the **** is he gonna get on the indside??? i like Rahman but he don't have the skills, at best he'll eat a lot of shot to get inside"

ughhh....duughhh.....like ughhh.
Whatever dude, lots of shorter guys get on the inside and knock tall guys out.
remember LEWIS VS RAHMAN I
OH YOU FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE DIDNT YOU!
Dont quit your day job..if you have one.

beeatch said: "how the **** is he gonna get on the indside??? i like Rahman but he don't have the skills, at best he'll eat a lot of shot to get inside"

ughhh....duughhh.....like ughhh.
Whatever dude, lots of shorter guys get on the inside and knock tall guys out.
remember LEWIS VS RAHMAN I
OH YOU FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE DIDNT YOU!
Dont quit your day job..if you have one.


no, i didn't forget about how he beat an out of shape Lennox Lewis, in the rematch he got destroyed by an in shape Lennox Lewis. The last bunch of shorter guys that fought Big K got destroyed. u need to be a smaller guy WITH SKILLS to beat the big K, Rahman is a big puncher but he don't have skills. and somehow i don't think Klit will come in out of shape, he never does

well your the ****ing **** sucker that said''oh how the fuk can rahman get on the inside?" it was a stupid post and its to late to take it back. try thinking first next time. Oh I forgot,you cant have an intelligent conversation, you have to act like a getto thug.
So kiss my nice ass.

well your the ****ing **** sucker that said''oh how the fuk can rahman get on the inside?" it was a stupid post and its to late to take it back. try thinking first next time. Oh I forgot,you cant have an intelligent conversation, you have to act like a getto thug.
So kiss my nice ass.


what the ****??? are you Rahman's ***** or something, why don't you put his **** back in your mouth where it belongs, cunt

I think Rahman is lightyears ahead of Williams, but I don't see Rahman winning this fight. If Rahman can box, use his strength, and move against Vitali, he has a shot. But Rahman needs to be in shape and use his jab. Vitali KO10.

people are deluding themselves if they believe that rahman has a chance against vitali. vitali will blow him out in a one sided fight, probably with an 8th round ko, maybe earlier.

Yeah, I just don't see it. I like Rahman alot, but after he lost to that ****** Ruiz, I wondered if he even still wanted to box at all. Rahman should fight Toney...yeah, Toney...I'd like that.

Vitaly seems to have the better offensive tools then Rahman, but Vitaly doesnt like getting hit. Rahman's right hand will land for the first time in the mid-first round and Vitaly wont like it. Vitaly will land too, but Rahman will come determined and wont back down. Sometime around the sixth or seventh round, Vitaly will tire and Rahman well start ripping into Vitaly's body with left and right hooks, and then come upstairs and cut up Vitaly's face. In the mid-ninth, Vitaly will go down from a combination of punches and exaustion. He'll barely beat the count, only to be floored once again and out for the count.

Vitali doesn't like getting hit, but nor does Rahman. Rahman seems to cut and swell quite easily, and I can't see any fighters out their at the moment being able to fight Klitschko and not get hit a lot. I can see Rahman making it an exciting fight, maybe landing some big shots but getting busted up and ultimately KO'd late. I'd like to see Rahman take it, but can't see it happening.

vitali will knockout rahman. around round 8 or 9!! he is too tall, to strong, has a good chin and u might not believe this, has pretty good stamina. not the greatest but he does have good stamina. he will outbox rahman and will stop him. of course rahman does have power which only one shot in boxing can do anything. i only hope that people dont' say that if rahman gets knocked out they don't say it was the underprepared rahman. if he gets koed he gets ko'd. the same for vitali.

It'll be interesting to see what waging odds are going to be immediately before the fight. If they will tilt heavily in VK's favor that will be a good indication that no foul play by DK is in place

Vitaly seems to have the better offensive tools then Rahman, but Vitaly doesnt like getting hit. Rahman's right hand will land for the first time in the mid-first round and Vitaly wont like it. Vitaly will land too, but Rahman will come determined and wont back down. Sometime around the sixth or seventh round, Vitaly will tire and Rahman well start ripping into Vitaly's body with left and right hooks, and then come upstairs and cut up Vitaly's face. In the mid-ninth, Vitaly will go down from a combination of punches and exaustion. He'll barely beat the count, only to be floored once again and out for the count.

just like he did to Ruiz.

just like he did to Ruiz.

Ruiz is a special cas because his style is so damn awkward. Golota stated before their fight that he would rather fight any of the other 3 chamnps besides Ruiz, including Vitaly. Rahman will be more able to utilize his skills in this fight than he was against Ruiz and therefore there will be less left to chance. I am personally just glad that this fight is coming off. Its about time that they throw a live dog in against Vitaly.

I'd say Vitali's style is quite awkward too..
he keeps his hands down, looks for his shots and falls to his back foot when thrown at. it may be robotic, but it's effective.

I'd say Vitali's style is quite awkward too..
he keeps his hands down, looks for his shots and falls to his back foot when thrown at. it may be robotic, but it's effective.

I suppose you have a pretty good point there. I have noticed that Vitaly's defense is deceptivly effective. He looks like he's right there to be hit, yet seems to misteriously evade punches. Still though, I think that this will be Vitaly's toughest opponent, save Lewis (although the Lewis that fought Rahman in their rematch and the one who fought Klit. are very different fighters, IMO. The one that fought Klit. may well have been the same one that showed up to the first fight with Rahmman). You could make a case for Chris Byrd, but stylisticly, Rahman seems to be a tougher fight because of his size. There is, IMO, a world of difference between Rahman and D. Williams/C. Sanders. Furthermore, I believe that both fighters will come in top form to this affair. I think that anyone who doesnt think this will be a competetive fight will be very mistaken.

I think that the physical shape will only play a somewhat small part in the match. I think the important part of the fight will be the mental battle between the two, the psyche of it all.
that will be played and decided within the first few rounds of the match up..

I think that the physical shape will only play a somewhat small part in the match. I think the important part of the fight will be the mental battle between the two, the psyche of it all.
that will be played and decided within the first few rounds of the match up..

yes, that is possible. I'm sure the mental game always plays a part in the fight, and I can see how it might play a big part of this one, especially for Rahman who'll be staring up at a real 6'7 giant. I hope Rahman doesn't get intimidated and back up scared all night, or Vitaly eats a couple shots and gets scared. I dont really think it'll happen though.

it will be good fight with vitali winning a tough fight by ko or tko

not sure about Rahman, but VK has a mind like a steel trap..
or from what I've seen. I'd say if he gets rocked, he'll regroup and think of another tactic.

I am excited about this fight with Vitali and Rahman because I have no idea what will happen. If it gets to round 8 or 9 I like Vitali's chances a lot better...but early on he is going to have to be very careful with Rahman.

I suppose you have a pretty good point there. I have noticed that Vitaly's defense is deceptivly effective. He looks like he's right there to be hit, yet seems to misteriously evade punches. Still though, I think that this will be Vitaly's toughest opponent, save Lewis (although the Lewis that fought Rahman in their rematch and the one who fought Klit. are very different fighters, IMO. The one that fought Klit. may well have been the same one that showed up to the first fight with Rahmman). You could make a case for Chris Byrd, but stylisticly, Rahman seems to be a tougher fight because of his size. There is, IMO, a world of difference between Rahman and D. Williams/C. Sanders. Furthermore, I believe that both fighters will come in top form to this affair. I think that anyone who doesnt think this will be a competetive fight will be very mistaken.

frankenstein's defense is so good because he uses distance extremely effectively, those long arms allow him to land the jab when the other guy can't reach him. it'll be competitive, but Rahman gets hit way too much to last long - unless V K isn't a big enough puncher to put him down. Rahman is a lot tougher than danny williams, if he had D i could se him winning this fight

Atleast Rahman is the VK best opponent since LL.

He got a change if comes light like against Meehan and lands that killer overhand right.

However i see this going like VK last couple of fights, he vers Rahman down until mid fight were Rahman loses either by ko ore tko.

Atleast Rahman is the VK best opponent since LL.

He got a change if comes light like against Meehan and lands that killer overhand right.

However i see this going like VK last couple of fights, he vers Rahman down until mid fight were Rahman loses either by ko ore tko.

This wont be like VK's last couple fighters because those opponents are not on the same level as Rahman. Rahman would probably KO any one of VK's last 3 opponents if he came in shape like he did against Meehan. All of VK's opponents have tired way before he did lately. In this fight, if the fight goes deep I think it'll help Rahman tremendously because his Stamina is way better than VK's. Big guys just dont have good stamina compared to smaller guys.

This wont be like VK's last couple fighters because those opponents are not on the same level as Rahman. Rahman would probably KO any one of VK's last 3 opponents if he came in shape like he did against Meehan. All of VK's opponents have tired way before he did lately. In this fight, if the fight goes deep I think it'll help Rahman tremendously because his Stamina is way better than VK's. Big guys just dont have good stamina compared to smaller guys.

What are you talking about? Meehan was dropped in 32 seconds by that bum Danny Williams. It shouldn't have taken Rahman 4 rounds to finish off a guy with no power and no chin. Rahman lives and dies by his right hand. He won a total of 2 out of 9 rounds against Lewis and 2 out of 7 rounds against Sanders. Those aren't very promising numbers. If you can hang in there with him, and VK's stamina is better than Sander's and his chin is better than Lewis's, Rahman doesn't amount to much.

What are you talking about? Meehan was dropped in 32 seconds by that bum Danny Williams. It shouldn't have taken Rahman 4 rounds to finish off a guy with no power and no chin. Rahman lives and dies by his right hand. He won a total of 2 out of 9 rounds against Lewis and 2 out of 7 rounds against Sanders. Those aren't very promising numbers. If you can hang in there with him, and VK's stamina is better than Sander's and his chin is better than Lewis's, Rahman doesn't amount to much.

True, but rahman has beaten both LL and Sanders and thats a good achivement allthough he was outboxed by both.

I think Vitali will probably KO Rahman.

But it is still the heavyweights...maybe Rahman can repeat the "Lewis upset"...and there is always the danger of cuts.

So it will be an exciting fight to watch.

(and when Vitali wins I think his next fight should be against the #1 contender). :)

I'd rather watch Rahman fight Williams. It would be a better dual for both fighters and joe public.

Neuraxis I agree, way too much emphasis is being placed on Rahman's win over Meehan, whose reputation is based on a losing effort against Lamon Brewster. A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that Rahman was a far superior fighter against Meehan than most of his recent fights. Yes he did look impressive, but you've got to judge a fighter on his performance against quality opposition, and Meehan isn't quality opposition. In fact, (apart from the Tua fight which he really won) Rahman hasn't beaten any top notch fighters since he knocked out Lewis over three and a half years ago.

I'm not saying Rahman is a bad fighter, just that I haven't seen anything from him in almost 4 years that can convince me he's got the tools to beat Klitschko.

Neuraxis I agree, way too much emphasis is being placed on Rahman's win over Meehan, whose reputation is based on a losing effort against Lamon Brewster. A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that Rahman was a far superior fighter against Meehan than most of his recent fights. Yes he did look impressive, but you've got to judge a fighter on his performance against quality opposition, and Meehan isn't quality opposition. In fact, (apart from the Tua fight which he really won) Rahman hasn't beaten any top notch fighters since he knocked out Lewis over three and a half years ago.

I'm not saying Rahman is a bad fighter, just that I haven't seen anything from him in almost 4 years that can convince me he's got the tools to beat Klitschko.

You make a good point there, Meehan isnt exactly grade A and I realise this. I think of him just as a tune-up fight for Rahman really. However, the thing I got out of this fight was that he came in in-shape and he looked pretty sharp, which wasnt the case in his last couple fights. He came in against Toney at 260. For Meehan he was down to 230.

Watch, now Rahman will come in against Vitaly the heavyest of his carreer, like Vitaly's last few opponents, and I'll have to eat my words.

You make a good point there, Meehan isnt exactly grade A and I realise this. I think of him just as a tune-up fight for Rahman really. However, the thing I got out of this fight was that he came in in-shape and he looked pretty sharp, which wasnt the case in his last couple fights. He came in against Toney at 260. For Meehan he was down to 230.

Watch, now Rahman will come in against Vitaly the heavyest of his carreer, like Vitaly's last few opponents, and I'll have to eat my words.

Who knows, someone has to realize sometime that extra weight is not the answer to Klichko. I doubt, though, that even in-shape Rahman could beat Klichko. It'll be Rahman-Lewis II again. Rahman was in pretty good shape for that but that didn't help him a whole lot.

rahman shudve went after byrd or ruiz, but not klitschko. theres a big step up from meehan and klitschko. or he shud face brewtser

Hasim Rahman is going to make a big mistake. He thinks he's a top dog and strong after beating a journeyman of Kali Meehan. Klitschko is a much taller and bigger guy. He has faced these kind of figthers in the past and did it pretty well. Klitschko will knockout Hasim Rahman between round 4 or 5.