View Full Version : So if Puerto Rico ever does gain independence....


ELHURACAN58
09-26-2012, 08:26 PM
...would a person with rican heritage born in the US be called a puerto rican-american, or would he be named ame-rican?

-jose-
09-26-2012, 08:41 PM
...would a person with rican heritage born in the US be called a puerto rican-american, or would he be named ame-rican?

Ame-Rican :lol1: :lol1:

Optimistic
09-26-2012, 09:08 PM
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Cuauhtémoc1520
09-27-2012, 10:16 AM
Puerto Rico better pray to god they don't become "independent". Look at all the other Latin American and Caribbean countries who are....not good.

ELHURACAN58
09-27-2012, 10:24 AM
Puerto Rico better pray to god they don't become "independent". Look at all the other Latin American and Caribbean countries who are....not good.

First off I dont know why you say pray to a being you obviously dont believe in.

Second, do you really think we would do better being the poorest state of a country whose calling card right to the world is their military, cause that debt is looking good at all is it?

jtcs1981
09-27-2012, 10:41 AM
Puerto Rico better pray to god they don't become "independent". Look at all the other Latin American and Caribbean countries who are....not good.

We better become independent. The dependency of this island have made the people lazy and conceited aholes. I do pray that one day we will be free. I know we can do better than those other poor countries.

Cuauhtémoc1520
09-27-2012, 12:10 PM
First off I dont know why you say pray to a being you obviously dont believe in.

Second, do you really think we would do better being the poorest state of a country whose calling card right to the world is their military, cause that debt is looking good at all is it?

We better become independent. The dependency of this island have made the people lazy and conceited aholes. I do pray that one day we will be free. I know we can do better than those other poor countries.

No offense but you guys are delusional. First off, the strength of the American economy is the reason PR isn't a 3rd world country like Dominican Republic or any other island there.

Second, I'm not disagreeing that there are lazy people there and they depend on the govt but there's also a lot of corruption in PR, imagine if the U.S wasn't involved? PR doesn't have many resources outside of tourism and a few exports, it's hard to build a thriving economy without some financial backing.

jtcs1981
09-27-2012, 12:49 PM
No offense but you guys are delusional. First off, the strength of the American economy is the reason PR isn't a 3rd world country like Dominican Republic or any other island there.

Second, I'm not disagreeing that there are lazy people there and they depend on the govt but there's also a lot of corruption in PR, imagine if the U.S wasn't involved? PR doesn't have many resources outside of tourism and a few exports, it's hard to build a thriving economy without some financial backing.

Singapore did it. It is time for us to move on. I rather have my island full of jibaritos willing to work for the Patria, than the garbage with have now due to the US influence. It was ok at the beginning, but it is time for us to move on.

oc9979
09-27-2012, 12:57 PM
No offense but you guys are delusional. First off, the strength of the American economy is the reason PR isn't a 3rd world country like Dominican Republic or any other island there.

Second, I'm not disagreeing that there are lazy people there and they depend on the govt but there's also a lot of corruption in PR, imagine if the U.S wasn't involved? PR doesn't have many resources outside of tourism and a few exports, it's hard to build a thriving economy without some financial backing.

I am Rican and the second part is on point.

figzuki
09-27-2012, 01:54 PM
I am Rican and the second part is on point.

very true...

jtcs1981
09-27-2012, 02:16 PM
I am Rican and the second part is on point.

very true...

So you guys actually think that the federal government presence dont allow for more corruption?

One, we dont build weapons. They come from the states and the federal government does not allow us to check everything that comes in the island. Second, we dont cultivate drugs. The federal government is not doing their job. They are using PR to let drugs go to the states. Buying a Kilo of cocaine for $1,000 in South America, selling it for $25K in PR and $40K in the east coast.

Yeah, they are helping us a lot.

oc9979
09-27-2012, 02:26 PM
So you guys actually think that the federal government presence dont allow for more corruption?

One, we dont build weapons. They come from the states and the federal government does not allow us to check everything that comes in the island. Second, we dont cultivate drugs. The federal government is not doing their job. They are using PR to let drugs go to the states. Buying a Kilo of cocaine for $1,000 in South America, selling it for $25K in PR and $40K in the east coast.

Yeah, they are helping us a lot.

If the Federal Government was not involved. Who do you think would run the government?
We do not cultivate drugs. We also don't cultivate anything that we could export.



In Puerto Rico, annual homicides by any means total

2010: 983
2009: 894
2008: 807
2007: 731
2006: 748
2005: 771
2004: 797
2003: 787
2002: 781
2001: 747
2000: 695
1999: 593
1998: 652
1997: 724
1996: 868
1995: 864

In the Dominican Republic, annual homicides by any means total

2010: 2,472
2009: 2,375
2008: 2,394
2007: 2,111
2006: 2,144
2005: 2,394
2004: 2,239
2003: 1,902
2002: 1,279
2001: 1,095
2000: 1,210
1999: 1,066
1998: 1,121
1997: 1,038
1996: 1,032
1995: 1,007

jtcs1981
09-27-2012, 02:30 PM
If the Federal Government was not involved. Who do you think would run the government?
We do not cultivate drugs. We also don't cultivate anything that we could export.



In Puerto Rico, annual homicides by any means total

2010: 983
2009: 894
2008: 807
2007: 731
2006: 748
2005: 771
2004: 797
2003: 787
2002: 781
2001: 747
2000: 695
1999: 593
1998: 652
1997: 724
1996: 868
1995: 864

In the Dominican Republic, annual homicides by any means total

2010: 2,472
2009: 2,375
2008: 2,394
2007: 2,111
2006: 2,144
2005: 2,394
2004: 2,239
2003: 1,902
2002: 1,279
2001: 1,095
2000: 1,210
1999: 1,066
1998: 1,121
1997: 1,038
1996: 1,032
1995: 1,007

Who run the government? Us, like an independent country. We our culture and our values. Not the values of the Yanks. Their influence in our island contributed to this crime infected place. We could had done it. We could copy what Finland, Singapore and Korea did. But we did not because we are waiting for our big brother to do all things for us. Personally, I'm tired of that.

TOBYLEE1
09-28-2012, 09:17 AM
So you guys actually think that the federal government presence dont allow for more corruption?

One, we dont build weapons. They come from the states and the federal government does not allow us to check everything that comes in the island. Second, we dont cultivate drugs. The federal government is not doing their job. They are using PR to let drugs go to the states. Buying a Kilo of cocaine for $1,000 in South America, selling it for $25K in PR and $40K in the east coast.

Yeah, they are helping us a lot.

You must be from that Independant Party. There are no resources in PR and going independant with no financial backing would make things even worst. The corruption is not initiated from the US but with in the Island like any othrer country. PR was even poorer than Haiti till the US took it over from Spain. There is no way in this point in time all those people are going into the agriculture buisness.

No federal monitoring from the US just means that the crime would sky rocket even more.

jtcs1981
09-28-2012, 11:09 AM
You must be from that Independant Party. There are no resources in PR and going independant with no financial backing would make things even worst. The corruption is not initiated from the US but with in the Island like any othrer country. PR was even poorer than Haiti till the US took it over from Spain. There is no way in this point in time all those people are going into the agriculture buisness.

No federal monitoring from the US just means that the crime would sky rocket even more.

No, I'm from not party at all. I dont need to follow anyone to have my own belief. I hate the colony. We have no power and the effing USA tells us where and how we do our purchases. We end up paying more because of it. That stupid idea of you need agriculture or other natural resources to have a good economy is a lie. Plenty of small countries have a better economy than the US. However, some people are brain wash with the idea of US backing us we are in a better position. Yeah, highest crime rate per capita, high number of families living of welfare, highest unemployment rates but yes, for some reason people believe that being part of the US is a good thing.

If people here want any part of it, they have 50 states and they can get the ef outtahere and let the people that really want to make this work for good. We dont need the parasites.

ELHURACAN58
09-28-2012, 12:54 PM
You must be from that Independant Party. There are no resources in PR and going independant with no financial backing would make things even worst. The corruption is not initiated from the US but with in the Island like any othrer country. PR was even poorer than Haiti till the US took it over from Spain. There is no way in this point in time all those people are going into the agriculture buisness.

No federal monitoring from the US just means that the crime would sky rocket even more.

Haiti wasnt as poor as they are now when PR was part of Spain. What we have now with our current pro-statehood government is half a country without work, and at least 20% of them working part time at Walmart or Walgreens without health insurance. Every big and little puerto rican industry is closing down because the goverment would rather help foreign ones.

Maybe we dont need independence, but something has got to be done about work, its always the main reason why crime blows up in a country.

Anyway what you say is true, we need to improve our own economy before we think about going independent, that is if the US lets us...

high number of families living of welfare, highest unemployment rates but yes, for some reason people believe that being part of the US is a good thing.

This is actually one of the worst downsides of being supported by the goverment. Sometimes its necessary, but nowadays many people take it advantage of it.

This mentality of we will be a third world country so independence is a nono, is why we're in our current position... well that and our negligence in support our own products.

ELHURACAN58
09-28-2012, 01:10 PM
If the Federal Government was not involved. Who do you think would run the government?
We do not cultivate drugs. We also don't cultivate anything that we could export.



In Puerto Rico, annual homicides by any means total

2010: 983
2009: 894
2008: 807
2007: 731
2006: 748
2005: 771
2004: 797
2003: 787
2002: 781
2001: 747
2000: 695
1999: 593
1998: 652
1997: 724
1996: 868
1995: 864

In the Dominican Republic, annual homicides by any means total

2010: 2,472
2009: 2,375
2008: 2,394
2007: 2,111
2006: 2,144
2005: 2,394
2004: 2,239
2003: 1,902
2002: 1,279
2001: 1,095
2000: 1,210
1999: 1,066
1998: 1,121
1997: 1,038
1996: 1,032
1995: 1,007

When you take in account the population of both countries, the stats of homicide per person are pretty similar.

oc9979
09-28-2012, 01:12 PM
That stupid idea of you need agriculture or other natural resources to have a good economy is a lie.
Plenty of small countries have a better economy than the US.



What resources does Puerto Rico have to make its economy?
Name countries that have better economy than the US and how do they do it?

oc9979
09-28-2012, 01:36 PM
So you guys actually think that the federal government presence dont allow for more corruption?

One, we dont build weapons. They come from the states and the federal government does not allow us to check everything that comes in the island. Second, we dont cultivate drugs. The federal government is not doing their job. They are using PR to let drugs go to the states. Buying a Kilo of cocaine for $1,000 in South America, selling it for $25K in PR and $40K in the east coast.

Yeah, they are helping us a lot.



When you take in account the population of both countries, the stats of homicide per person are pretty similar.

So what would be the excuse for Dominican Republic to have about the same murder rate per capita as Puerto Rico?

Are they part of the US?
Being part of the US does not influence the crime rate.

jtcs1981
09-28-2012, 04:29 PM
What resources does Puerto Rico have to make its economy?
Name countries that have better economy than the US and how do they do it?

Singapore. Small country like us. Better economy and one of the fastest growing in the world.

jtcs1981
09-28-2012, 04:33 PM
So what would be the excuse for Dominican Republic to have about the same murder rate per capita as Puerto Rico?

Are they part of the US?
Being part of the US does not influence the crime rate.

So you think that they kill in the DR the same way they do here? Do you actually believe the crime in DR is because of drugs like it is here? The crime rate is similar due to education, unemployment and poverty. Weapons here come from the state. The way federal government controls customs, it is easier to get them here and then sell them also in the DR.

TOBYLEE1
09-28-2012, 08:08 PM
Haiti wasnt as poor as they are now when PR was part of Spain. What we have now with our current pro-statehood government is half a country without work, and at least 20% of them working part time at Walmart or Walgreens without health insurance. Every big and little puerto rican industry is closing down because the goverment would rather help foreign ones.

Maybe we dont need independence, but something has got to be done about work, its always the main reason why crime blows up in a country.

Anyway what you say is true, we need to improve our own economy before we think about going independent, that is if the US lets us...



This is actually one of the worst downsides of being supported by the goverment. Sometimes its necessary, but nowadays many people take it advantage of it.

This mentality of we will be a third world country so independence is a nono, is why we're in our current position... well that and our negligence in support our own products.

One thing US does to PR is it doesn't allow it free commerce world wide. It is restricted and that would be one step in allowing the Island to become independant cause other industries within might open up