Thanks to the boxingscene members I saw the bird vs Vitaly fight. I have read alot on Vitaly quitting and I always wrote it off as haters using it against vitaly. I watched the fight last night and it seemed to me that all the haters may have a point.

Vitaly fought for 6 rounds without any problems. He was beating byrd down. Then comes the 8th round. Byrd starts to pressure Vitaly. Vitaly doesnt like the pressure and backs up. Byrd is landing left hand leads at will. Vitaly tries to battle back but byrd takes the round. Then your hear something muttered in vitalys corner about a hert hand. Vitalys trainer says your fine and sends him out. The 9th round vitaly is throwing both hands with NO problem. Not even a sighn of pain on his face. Bad tape on byrds glove stops the fight for a moment, showing Vitaly leaning in the corner on the ropes. He looks tired but not hurt. The round resumes and byrd lays a beating on vitaly. Landing lefts repeatedly as vitaly backs up. The round ends and you hear a commotion in vitalys corner. Repeatedly you hear the corner saying "No, your OK, No your OK" But vitaly calls a stop to the fight.

After viewing the fight, I am also on the Vitaly lacked heart in that fight. He coiuld have fought threw the pain like every other fighter does, but he chose to quit because the going got tuff.

In my eyes Vitaly is a quitter

Yeah, I guess Chris "Little Tyson" Byrd was really hurting Vitali with all those love taps.

Thanks to the boxingscene members I saw the bird vs Vitaly fight. I have read alot on Vitaly quitting and I always wrote it off as haters using it against vitaly. I watched the fight last night and it seemed to me that all the haters may have a point.

Vitaly fought for 6 rounds without any problems. He was beating byrd down. Then comes the 8th round. Byrd starts to pressure Vitaly. Vitaly doesnt like the pressure and backs up. Byrd is landing left hand leads at will. Vitaly tries to battle back but byrd takes the round. Then your hear something muttered in vitalys corner about a hert hand. Vitalys trainer says your fine and sends him out. The 9th round vitaly is throwing both hands with NO problem. Not even a sighn of pain on his face. Bad tape on byrds glove stops the fight for a moment, showing Vitaly leaning in the corner on the ropes. He looks tired but not hurt. The round resumes and byrd lays a beating on vitaly. Landing lefts repeatedly as vitaly backs up. The round ends and you hear a commotion in vitalys corner. Repeatedly you hear the corner saying "No, your OK, No your OK" But vitaly calls a stop to the fight.

After viewing the fight, I am also on the Vitaly lacked heart in that fight. He coiuld have fought threw the pain like every other fighter does, but he chose to quit because the going got tuff.

In my eyes Vitaly is a quitter

Have you seen the VK-LL??? if not see and tell me again if he lacks heart.

They said nono your ok, correct me if im wrong but this was before Manny and Vit,Wlad and Sdunek talks in german during a fight.

Just another hater.

Actually I think Vitaly is the best in the division. Before watching the fight I would say the same thing you did. The truth is everyone fights with some kind of injury. Vitaly didnt seem to be in that much pain at all. He quit because things were starting to sway the other way.

You cant call me a hater because I made an honest observation, unless you are a hopeless nuthugger.

Have you seen the VK-LL??? if not see and tell me again if he lacks heart.

They said nono your ok, correct me if im wrong but this was before Manny and Vit,Wlad and Sdunek talks in german during a fight.

I agree with you, and Vitaly showed heart during the lewis fight. That doesnt mean he showed heart in the byrd fight.

Duran gave up once, but he regreted it also and it made him fight even harder after the fact.

My point is, just because you showed heart in one fight, doesnt mean you lacked heart in another.

Actually I think Vitaly is the best in the division. Before watching the fight I would say the same thing you did. The truth is everyone fights with some kind of injury. Vitaly didnt seem to be in that much pain at all. He quit because things were starting to sway the other way.

You cant call me a hater because I made an honest observation, unless you are a hopeless nuthugger.

OK. I take it back on calling you a hater.

In the last round it was apparent that Vitaliy was fighting with one arm.

I agree with you, and Vitaly showed heart during the lewis fight. That doesnt mean he showed heart in the byrd fight.

Duran gave up once, but he regreted it also and it made him fight even harder after the fact.

My point is, just because you showed heart in one fight, doesnt mean you lacked heart in another.
Okay

But why would he else quit?

Byrd needed a knock out and theres no way in hell hands of feathers byrd could knock head of stone VK

Exactly, there was one round left!!! Your telling me he couldnt bear the pain for 1 round? 3 minutes? He hung around for the post fight interviews but couldnt avoid feather fists for 3 minutes?

To me that makes you a quitter.

Exactly, there was one round left!!! Your telling me he couldnt bear the pain for 1 round? 3 minutes? He hung around for the post fight interviews but couldnt avoid feather fists for 3 minutes?

To me that makes you a quitter.


There were 3 more rounds, 10, 11, and 12.

Byrd was the FIRST opponent that didn´t let Vitaly slaughter him! Byrd came to Germany with a game plan and really wanted the title. Of course Vitali won the early rounds because he was more active, but he could never hurt Byrd. Byrd was fighting as usual: slipping punches, using the ring size. After he had analyzed Vitali for five rounds, he started fighting back. I gave him rounds 7,8,9 (6 was even). Vitali just didn´t know what to do with Byrd and he was running out of gas with every minute. I speak German and can therefore understand what they were saying in the corner and later on the press conference. They used a damaged hand as an excuse, but couldn´t decide if left or right :rolleyes: . Later it was a torn rotator cuff :rolleyes: .

Anyway, maybe Vitali made a mistake, but he made it up for us boxing fans! I think he proofed that he changed his attitude, so I am concinced that we won´t see something like this happen again.

Did it ever occur to you that his slide in the later rounds was a direct result of his injury? Just because he didn't play it up and wince every time he had to lift his arms doesn't mean it wasn't serious.

2 things...
-he probably knows better than any of us about the possible dangers facing his boxing future had he continued the fight. Being that he's a doctor and knowledgable about sports fitness, I'd listen to him before I'd listen to a whining fan that wants to see a boxer get seriously hurt. Didn't he say that he'd be back and he'd be the HW champ of the world?
-no one knows what he was going through but him. Simple as that. no one will EVER know either. If you're in the ring and you get hurt, I'd say it's best to try not to show it. If you show it and your opponent recognizes it, then they'll really pour it on to try and take advantage and finish you off... mind games in the ring.

Exactly, there was one round left!!! Your telling me he couldnt bear the pain for 1 round? 3 minutes? He hung around for the post fight interviews but couldnt avoid feather fists for 3 minutes?

To me that makes you a quitter.

There were actually 3 rounds left.

You dident get my point, my point was he would never give upp a fight he couldent lose if he wasnt realy hurt.

He could just stand there eating punches and still win, and it was for a tittel, seriously he must have been hurt.

Good point by PNO. Klitscko is a qualified doctor and he should know even above his corner the ramifications of continuing with such an injury. There were three rds to go. In three rds if you can not protect yourself properly you are at more risk. Don`t say that Byrd isn`t a puncher he wouldn`t be able to hurt him, it is boxing, any punch to the head can kill. And if he had pulled more and more at the injury ( shoulder ) he may have damaged it to such an extent he might have damaged his career.

to add to that in agreement with you...
if someone tries to punch you, what's your reaction?
to PUT YOUR HANDS UP and QUICK!!!
even if you're injured, it's prolly impossible to stop the automatic reaction.
doing that with a torn rotator cuff is probably not a good idea.

Rahman doesn't get dishearted. I think this fight will be Vitali's toughest yet. Still, my money's on Klitschko. He just has too much to offer in his arsenal that Rahman can't match.

Did noone listen to the guy that understood germen? Klit quit and thats it! How many other fighters fought threw a injury? Holyfield, Even danny "the tomato can" Williams fought threwout an injury.

A real champ would go down swinging, not crying over a hurt shoulder.

Did Vitaly redeem himself, YES

Continuing the fight could have ruined his future career

Are you kidding? Did any other great fighter look at something like that and quit?

How would you feel abaut ali if he quit against norton after suffering a broken jaw because it would ruin his carrear? Thats what makes good fighters great

I would feel ****, but a jwa and ashoulder just aint the same thing.
I trust in with and if he thought it was nwecassary to quit then iot was .
End of disscussion

much respect for byrd in this fight as V.K. lost respect for this fight. He could of kept going but we all know how it ended

Are you kidding? Did any other great fighter look at something like that and quit?

How would you feel abaut ali if he quit against norton after suffering a broken jaw because it would ruin his carrear? Thats what makes good fighters great


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you just made my point for me!

and I think that VK is aware of the point probably from knowing some about Ali. Just look at him now, he's brain-dead. I mean no offense or harm, but I feel bad for the guy, he's through, his marbles are sloshed! Ali is a guy who didn't know when to quit and look at the results!!!

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You are getting three things confused.

VK vs Byrd- VK quit, and even with a hurt shoulder, he could have looked bad and still won the fight. He also could have rematched Byrd some time in the last 5 years. Fighers have surguries all the time and this would have been no different.

VK vs Lewis- VK's eye was messed up, but it wasn't affecting his fighting style, so he went as long as he could. Once again, I don't think another 2 rounds would have made VK worse off right now, two years later.

Ali vs Norton- Ali didn't know it was broken until after the fight. And his parkinson's disease is not causaly related to his boxing. Although he did take some serious shots in his career.

Yes, he could have fought through the pain, won, and all his critics would still be going on today about how he really lost the fight, how he was on the verge of being knocked out by Byrd, etc. So, sure, he quit, but had he gone on maybe he would have damaged his carreer, or maybe not, but one thing is for sure, he most likely would have gone through the last part of the fight in pain for nothing, as the vast majority of people in general seem to have decided not to give him credit for anything. Ok, two things are for sure, because those two will most likely fight again, because VK isn't Lewis, and when they do, there is no way in hell VK is going to lose to Byrd, and after that, I don't want to hear anymore clinging to Byrd's "win" over VK.

when vitali quit that fight i was very upset with him but all that got erased when he faught lewis

And if he had not quit he may have survived and would have beat Byrd on points. However, he may have been injuryed to such an extent he may have been out for over a year with the damage to the muscle.....isn`t that as bad as a loss?? Sure it is.
Some fans with 100 posts on this site i forgive for not knowing boxing and assuming that their entertainers first and humans second. Great stuff, but i`m sorry Vitali as Ivan Drago as he may look is still a human being and if he thought, being a doctor and all, that he was in danger of his career or his life then he was right to step down. He fought Lewis and proved his heart and i give full credit to him for that. Why drum on about the Byrd defeat. Thats life. When Gerald McClenan took a full ten count on one knee vs nigel Benn, was he a quiter? He calapsed into a coma ten mintues later and is blind and disabled to this day. Is he a quiter? Is he a coward? ****ing common sense, if Klitscko felt he was in danger and could not continue fair play to him, i`m not gonna tell the guy he is ok, i`m not in his corner, i am not a doctor. He was, he is, live with it, he did and he is champ of the world! SILENCE!

Is Norton the one where Ali had to go to the hospital after and people were in fear for his life? I remember watching one special about a certain fight of his where his opponent was scared for his life while he was in the hospital after the fight. My bad about the Parkinson's.

Injuries in boxing is a hot issue though if you think about it...
we all remember the days where a guy had to get KTFO before the fight stopped... sometimes, now-a-days, the loosing fighter still wants to go on when they stop the fight. This makes some mad, but at least they're looking out for the well-being of the boxers, since not every boxer is a doctor, knowing his limits. I just hope it doesn't go too far... makes me think of a future boxing, where the first flurry, or even punch stops the fight, like Rock-em Sock-em robots... DING!

I think Vitaly realizes he made a mistake in that fight.

Part of it was that he was getting frustrated, but if they were to fight again, I think VK would do exactly what WK did against Byrd and just jab to keep him away for 12 rounds, and if the knockout comes, so be it, the fight ends early.

Thanks to the boxingscene members I saw the bird vs Vitaly fight. I have read alot on Vitaly quitting and I always wrote it off as haters using it against vitaly. I watched the fight last night and it seemed to me that all the haters may have a point.

Vitaly fought for 6 rounds without any problems. He was beating byrd down. Then comes the 8th round. Byrd starts to pressure Vitaly. Vitaly doesnt like the pressure and backs up. Byrd is landing left hand leads at will. Vitaly tries to battle back but byrd takes the round. Then your hear something muttered in vitalys corner about a hert hand. Vitalys trainer says your fine and sends him out. The 9th round vitaly is throwing both hands with NO problem. Not even a sighn of pain on his face. Bad tape on byrds glove stops the fight for a moment, showing Vitaly leaning in the corner on the ropes. He looks tired but not hurt. The round resumes and byrd lays a beating on vitaly. Landing lefts repeatedly as vitaly backs up. The round ends and you hear a commotion in vitalys corner. Repeatedly you hear the corner saying "No, your OK, No your OK" But vitaly calls a stop to the fight.

After viewing the fight, I am also on the Vitaly lacked heart in that fight. He coiuld have fought threw the pain like every other fighter does, but he chose to quit because the going got tuff.

In my eyes Vitaly is a quitter

you obviously did not check the facts out buddy.........Vitali (correct way to spell his name) was checked by a doctor and he did have a problem with his rotator cuff. If you have ever had any problems with your shoulder, and I am sure that you have not because you speak before you think, then you would realize the amount of pain that Vitali must have been in. Not to mention the facial expression, or lack thereof, as you so calmly judge my friend, is in fact a testament to how tough he really is. He is the true Heavy Weight Champion of the world and has never been shy about or feared anybody. Not even Iron Mike can claim as much. Who else in the heavyweight division has verbally called out Lennox Lewis so many times that it is beginning to sound like a broken record. In my humble opinion, Bird, Lennox, Toney, you name them, Vitali will be glad to dismantle their fight plan round by exciting round, one by one.

later dude

joeboxer

Are you kidding? Did any other great fighter look at something like that and quit?

How would you feel abaut ali if he quit against norton after suffering a broken jaw because it would ruin his carrear? Thats what makes good fighters great


I agree, Ali showed some real big balls in that one, and to the guy who said a broken jaw isn't as bad as a hurt shoulder - I say you have never been in a fight.

Every fighter would tell you they would rather have an injury to their shoulder in a fight, the pain from being punched in or rather ON a broken jaw by a REAL heavy puncher like Norton easily shows that Vitali pussed out against Byrd who let's face it, doesn't even come close to a Ken Norton in punching power.

Get serious you Vitali nuthuggers, you are embarassing yourselves in this one.

JOEBOXER, you had better stick to being underwear and not try to lecture around here about a shoulder injury.

Has Vitali had surgery on his "torn ratator cuff" - no he hasn't - and why is that? Because it wasn't torn.

He quit because he was frustrated and out of gas. It's funny to me, since my torn rotator cuff requires surgery, and so does everyone else who actually tears up a shoulder with that kind of injury, even baseball players.

So perhaps it would be wise of you not to speak of something that YOU YOURSELF know nothing about, or as YOU put it, think before you speak....

I'm not debating which would hurt more or who is the bigger man due to his continuing to fight with the particular injury.
It must suck to fight on with any injury. A broken jaw must hurt, especially if someone punches you in it. It might be possible to still dodge punches with a broken jaw, but it would prolly still hurt like a mutha.
with a sholder injury, there's no escaping using it IMO. One could let their arm dangle, but like I said instinctively, you will most likely use that arm to block a punch, and like I also said, NONE OF US have any right to say what they felt or thought, as it was up to each respective boxer and up to them alone.
Ali is much more of a blood and guts warrior who seemed to stop at nothing, VK is more of a smart sportsman.

Vitalli needs to redeem himself and avenge his loss against Byrd.

JOEBOXER, you had better stick to being underwear and not try to lecture around here about a shoulder injury.

Has Vitali had surgery on his "torn ratator cuff" - no he hasn't - and why is that? Because it wasn't torn.

He quit because he was frustrated and out of gas. It's funny to me, since my torn rotator cuff requires surgery, and so does everyone else who actually tears up a shoulder, with that kind of injury even baseball players.

So perhaps it would be wise of you not to speak of something that YOU YOURSELF know nothing about, or as YOU put it, think before you speak....


wow, quite harsh...
this from Klitschko.com

Vitali continued: "I have lost this bout but I did not lose the title. It was just temporarily passed over to Byrd. As soon as my rehabilitation is over, I will do my best to get the belt back. This will be nothing but a short break". Immediately after the fight Vitali was examined at one of Berlin's clinics. The tendon, attaching the muscle "supraspinatus" to the bone, which is responsible for the lifting and turning of the arm had not been able to take the strain, and was found to be broken.

Fritz Zdunek at the post-match press conference stated: "Just before the world title against Herbie Hide, Vitali felt some pain in his shoulder. The same pain appeared later, during training, but it was nothing compared to the pain that Vitali suffered during the bout". On April 2, Vitali was examined at the "Fleetklinik" in Hamburg, where doctors Atchim Hedtmann and Pieter Bankendorf performed surgery to implant and incorporate a tendon into a bone.


they even give the doctors names. I suppose their could be lies afoot, but when doing a search for the info, many sites back the claims that VK infact DID have surgery... maybe you "think before you speak" as you say. but then again, I suppose that maybe it could be true that he didn't have surgery, and all the support is lies and fabrications....
:confused:

You know PNO, I completely spaced the 7 month layoff before the Hoffman fight, I take it back he did have surgery, I stand corrected. - good job

I am always grouchy when I first wake up, and for me, 2 p.m. is morning time and I haven't had my coffee yet. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH :mad:

no offense ST :)

I wasn't there, nor do i know any of them personally, so it might not have happened, but it seems it did. It's safe to say surgery is a big part of any sportsman's life. Especially American Football, can't go a month without your favorite team having a damn injury roster :(

:D

You know PNO, I completely spaced the 7 month layoff before the Hoffman fight, I take it back he did have surgery, I stand corrected. - good job

I am always grouchy when I first wake up, and for me, 2 p.m. is morning time and I haven't had my coffee yet. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH :mad:

s'all good.
I know what you mean about the late waking LOLOL...

every night Cheif smoke peace pipe, when he wake in the morning he say "where the ****arwi!?" LOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOL

you just made my point for me!

and I think that VK is aware of the point probably from knowing some about Ali. Just look at him now, he's brain-dead. I mean no offense or harm, but I feel bad for the guy, he's through, his marbles are sloshed! Ali is a guy who didn't know when to quit and look at the results!!!

:eek:

Yeah the results are that ali is the GOAT!!!! Ali is known today because of the non quitting mentality. I fvitaly doesnt want to get hurt he is in the wrong buisness.

You are quite possibly the biggest cheerleader with the wors arguements I ever came across.

Yes lets turn boxing into a bunch of scared girls that are scared to get hurt!

it dont' matter. vitali has heart and he will knock out rahman next. then on to byrd if he can get by toney. vitali will take toney or byrd out!!

Yeah the results are that ali is the GOAT!!!! Ali is known today because of the non quitting mentality. I fvitaly doesnt want to get hurt he is in the wrong buisness.

You are quite possibly the biggest cheerleader with the wors arguements I ever came across.

Yes lets turn boxing into a bunch of scared girls that are scared to get hurt!

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yeah, we should go with your ideology... take the gloves off, remove the doctors.. better yet, let's dip their hands in glue then glass shards.. or put horse-shoes in the gloves like Balrog.

I guess it's being a ***** or being tough.. or as I'd like to think of it, being an intellegent man vs. being a neanderthal caveman.

The best argument regarding this issue that i heard is that vitaly was a smart fighter, because he quit, he had what he believed to be a serious injury and didnt want to risk his career.