WBA and IBF Featherweight Champion Juan Manuel Marquez wants more money for his fight against Manny Pacquiao.

The two are scheduled to meet in a rematch on February 26th in Las Vegas. But Marquez’s manager Ignacio “Nacho” Beristain is still insisting that Juan must get the lion’s share of the purse to befit his status as the champion. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=495)]

WBA and IBF Featherweight Champion Juan Manuel Marquez wants more money for his fight against Manny Pacquiao.

The two are scheduled to meet in a rematch on February 26th in Las Vegas. But Marquez’s manager Ignacio “Nacho” Beristain is still insisting that Juan must get the lion’s share of the purse to befit his status as the champion. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=495)]

Though Marquez holds the WBA and IBF belts in the featherweight, surely he's not as a prizecatch as Pacquiao is right now. Nor he has the 'class-A' skill, as Pacquiao has presently showed to the boxing world. If he feels he is a true champ, then that's his and nobody can take that out from him. But if he or his camp thinks he deserves to have a better payday than Pacquiao, then he or his camp is absolutely out of his or their mind. His last fights is not even impressive as Pacquiao's.

There are four (4) justifiable reasons why he should go home with less purse than Pacquiao on their return bout. The basis on this is their first encounter.

One, he was just purely lucky to have survived in the first round. He was on the canvass thrice in this round. No other opponent had done that to him other than Pacquiao. He will live up to it as along as he lives.

Two, he was too fortunate that on his third knockdown Pacquiao injured his own fatal left hand. Here, Pacquiao never had the finishing touches on him. But still from 2nd to the last round, he never had threatened Pacquiao up to the last dying seconds.

Three, he was too thankful that one of the three judges irresponsibly gave a scoreboard favorable to him which resulted to a draw. That judge deserves to be penalized for the rest of his life, for Pacquiao to get even.

Their first enoucounter says it all. :p

And four, his last fight is not as impressive as Pacquiao's. That's no doubt.

The Marquez team's purse demand is expected. For they all know that they will be in a loosing side. For they all know that their fighter will again take punishment from Pacquiao. For them, the only way their fighter can get back from the expected beatings by Pacquiao is an 'attractive purse'. It's just an indirect approach. They are simply implying to the boxing world that they will agree to have their fighter physically beaten-up by Pacquiao on their rematch only if there is a good pay for it.

So why not just let the scheduled rematch of the two to roll naturally and smoothly. Obviously, team Marquez is too afraid to face team Pacquiao for the second time around. That's simply granting without admitting. :D

As I had posted in another thread, if both camps are confident of winning, the why not make it WINNER-TAKES-ALL!! :D

Then we'll see who's really CONFIDENT!!

As I had posted in another thread, if both camps are confident of winning, the why not make it WINNER-TAKES-ALL!! :D

Then we'll see who's really CONFIDENT!!
hehe I think all fights should be WINNER-TAKES-BIGGEST-PURSE.

hehe I think all fights should be WINNER-TAKES-BIGGEST-PURSE.

That would also be cool!! :cool:

Actually, I think JMM has every right to ask for more money..definately! :)

Actually, I think JMM has every right to ask for more money..definately! :)


Like Winky on Trinidad?? :p :p

Nah!! :D

Like Winky on Trinidad?? :p :p

Nah!! :D

Winky doesnt have the drawing power that either Tito or JMM have, but thats just my opinion...so that doesnt mean necessairly that I'm right. I do think I'm right about Tito atleast..that guy brings the people in, and I'd pay ppv price to watch him without any regret, but I cant say that about Winky ;)

As I had posted in another thread, if both camps are confident of winning, the why not make it WINNER-TAKES-ALL!! :D

Then we'll see who's really CONFIDENT!!

I've often wondered why fight purses can't be negotiated like:

Winner = 70%
Loser = 30%

Especially in situations like this where each guy has a legitimate argument for wanting more money.

I've often wondered why fight purses can't be negotiated like:

Winner = 70%
Loser = 30%

Especially in situations like this where each guy has a legitimate argument for wanting more money.
Yes, indeed. But if both camps doesn't want to blink, then it's always back to square one! The result is that both are losers, as there's no fight in the first place.

How about a 'TOSS COIN'????

Winky doesnt have the drawing power that either Tito or JMM have, but thats just my opinion...so that doesnt mean necessairly that I'm right. I do think I'm right about Tito atleast..that guy brings the people in, and I'd pay ppv price to watch him without any regret, but I cant say that about Winky ;)
I think peeps know Winky more than JMM. But I'll be nice and say JMM and Winky have about the same drawing power.
With Winky being in the heavier weight kinda gives him the edge...as more fans tend to be more interested in that.
So the WinkyTito and JMMpac predicament is about the same. Why you think JMM should and Winky NOT get what he wants is kinda...hhhmmmmm ...boggling. ;)

jmm is smart for wanting more money. he is the draw. sure fans like to see pac fight but jmm has the belt so really pac needs him or pac can go fight morales and probably lose for no belt. so if he wants the belt fork over the cash.

I think peeps know Winky more than JMM. But I'll be nice and say JMM and Winky have about the same drawing power.
With Winky being in the heavier weight kinda gives him the edge...as more fans tend to be more interested in that.
So the WinkyTito and JMMpac predicament is about the same. Why you think JMM should and Winky NOT get what he wants is kinda...hhhmmmmm ...boggling. ;)

Well, actually kuya, it doesn't matter which weight class are you in. It is how you dispose the other guy that makes the drawing power. It is the exitement that you bring into the fight and being consistent with it in every fight. These are just some of the elements of drawing power. Just my two cents...

I think peeps know Winky more than JMM. But I'll be nice and say JMM and Winky have about the same drawing power.
With Winky being in the heavier weight kinda gives him the edge...as more fans tend to be more interested in that.
So the WinkyTito and JMMpac predicament is about the same. Why you think JMM should and Winky NOT get what he wants is kinda...hhhmmmmm ...boggling. ;)

I have to disagree with that. For years Winky couldnt even get anybody in the ring with him; his style is just so boring, while JMM's isnt! I can only speak for myself, but I'd pay ppv for JMM in a heartbeat, but if it was Winky I'd have to base it on who he was fighting.
JMM has the belt, so he has every right to make that money.
Yes, Winky has belts too, but in a fight with Tito, trust me when I say that most people that watch a fight between the two are watching cause of Tito!
With him we all know ahead of time that it's gonna be exciting...can you say the same for Winky? :confused:

jmm is smart for wanting more money. he is the draw. sure fans like to see pac fight but jmm has the belt so really pac needs him or pac can go fight morales and probably lose for no belt. so if he wants the belt fork over the cash.

You are right - JMM is smart for wanting more money but i doubt if he is really the draw here. Of course Pacman wants JMM's belts but it should be Arum forking over the cash. :D

You are right - JMM is smart for wanting more money but i doubt if he is really the draw here. Of course Pacman wants JMM belts but it should be Arum forking over the cash. :D

I think who is the draw and who isnt is really based on the fans. I, for one, consider the draw to be JMM for this fight. I cant be alone in that..but there's really no sure way of knowing exactly which one bring's in the most people ;)

I think who is the draw and who isnt is really based on the fans. I, for one, consider the draw to be JMM for this fight. I cant be alone in that..but there's really no sure way of knowing exactly which one bring's in the most people ;)

I respect your opinion but JMM got booed many times in his last fight, while Pacman's middle name is "exitement".

I respect your opinion but JMM got booed many times in his last fight, while Pacman's middle name is "exitement".

Being booed by a crowd that paid a hugh amount for tickets doesnt really prove anything. Not to me, anyway. I mean, there is no sure way of knowing exactly what or who they were booing in the first place..it could have been the ref. or anything..there's just no way to be sure about that :confused:

Though Marquez holds the WBA and IBF belts in the featherweight, surely he's not ..... the 'class-A' skill, as Pacquiao has presently showed to the boxing world. If he feels he is a true champ, then that's his and nobody can take that out from him.

There are four (4) justifiable reasons why he should go home with less purse than Pacquiao on their return bout.

Marquez's performance against Pac proves he is in fact a first-tier Champion. He proved this not only to himself, but to anyone watching that fight. You must give Marquez's titles some credibility, otherwise, why would your boy Pac want them?

Your four "justifiable" reasons are pretty weak.

Sure Pac had Marquez down 3 times in one Round, but then what? You say it was "luck" he survived! Look at some of those lefts Marquez took in Round 1 afterthe 3rd knockdown, that's not luck, it's chin and heart. If Pac was all the Champ you say he is, why could he not finish such a "beaten" man? I know the answer ... because he can't, and won't. He had his chance and blew it. Marquez remained in the fight because he is skilled boxer and fighter, unlike Pac, who gave Marquez nothing different during rounds 2 to 12. Pac was simply out-boxed by a Champion after those intial knockdowns.

You say that Marquez never "threatened" Pac. It's a game of points my friend, not threats. Marquez outpointed Pac over Rounds 2 to 12. It's called Championship Boxing not Championship Threatening.

You mention the judging. Again, it was one point that separated those guys after 12 Rounds. If Pac actually was equipped with the "Class-A" skills you mentioned, he should have never been in that situation. Pac should have used his "Class-A" skills to win that fight by wide margin after the spread he created in Round #1. But,he couldn't pull it out when facing a true first-tier Champ like Marquez.

SUMMARY
For Pac to beat a Champ like Marquez, he needed more than a 10-7 round! What does that say about your man?

Being booed by a crowd that paid a hugh amount for tickets doesnt really prove anything. Not to me, anyway. I mean, there is no sure way of knowing exactly what or who they were booing in the first place..it could have been the ref. or anything..there's just no way to be sure about that :confused:

somebody must be dumb enuff not to know who the spectators are booing especially if he/she is of them...don't you think? :)

Being booed by a crowd that paid a hugh amount for tickets doesnt really prove anything. Not to me, anyway. I mean, there is no sure way of knowing exactly what or who they were booing in the first place..it could have been the ref. or anything..there's just no way to be sure about that :confused:

Exactly, being booed by a crowd that paid huge amount just to see a fight and they end up seeing some dancing or running show. The crowd was so disappointed because they expect something better. Oh, there is a sure way to know who the crowd is booing, watch the fight if you have the chance.

Marquez's performance against Pac proves he is in fact a first-tier Champion. He proved this not only to himself, but to anyone watching that fight. You must give Marquez's titles some credibility, otherwise, why would your boy Pac want them?

Your four "justifiable" reasons are pretty weak.

Sure Pac had Marquez down 3 times in one Round, but then what? You say it was "luck" he survived! Look at some of those lefts Marquez took in Round 1 afterthe 3rd knockdown, that's not luck, it's chin and heart. If Pac was all the Champ you say he is, why could he not finish such a "beaten" man? I know the answer ... because he can't, and won't. He had his chance and blew it. Marquez remained in the fight because he is skilled boxer and fighter, unlike Pac, who gave Marquez nothing different during rounds 2 to 12. Pac was simply out-boxed by a Champion after those intial knockdowns.

You say that Marquez never "threatened" Pac. It's a game of points my friend, not threats. Marquez outpointed Pac over Rounds 2 to 12. It's called Championship Boxing not Championship Threatening.

You mention the judging. Again, it was one point that separated those guys after 12 Rounds. If Pac actually was equipped with the "Class-A" skills you mentioned, he should have never been in that situation. Pac should have used his "Class-A" skills to win that fight by wide margin after the spread he created in Round #1. But,he couldn't pull it out when facing a true first-tier Champ like Marquez.

SUMMARY
For Pac to beat a Champ like Marquez, he needed more than a 10-7 round! What does that say about your man?

what fight were you watching, watch again the fight bro...for instance in round 2 jmm was able to connect 8 vs pac's 18, how can you say that jmm won that round? pac ended jmm's rally in round 7 and was able to win rounds 7, 9, 10 & 12 rounds after the first two rounds. jmm didn't dominate this fight. off course, jmm has to outbox jmm becoz he is a boxer-counter puncher but boxing doesn't necessarily win every round for a fighter.

this observation is so bias, so i won't finish reading this long post, coz it doesn't amount to anything.

I have to disagree with that. For years Winky couldnt even get anybody in the ring with him; his style is just so boring, while JMM's isnt! I can only speak for myself, but I'd pay ppv for JMM in a heartbeat, but if it was Winky I'd have to base it on who he was fighting.
JMM has the belt, so he has every right to make that money.
Yes, Winky has belts too, but in a fight with Tito, trust me when I say that most people that watch a fight between the two are watching cause of Tito!
With him we all know ahead of time that it's gonna be exciting...can you say the same for Winky? :confused:

i agree that jmm is less boring than winky but both of them belong to the "boring" category of boxers. everybody who stakes his life and honor has the right to make money, not just fighters who have belts especially if they conveniently choose opponents who they know they can beat.

i agree that jmm is less boring than winky but both of them belong to the "boring" category of boxers. everybody who stakes his life and honor has the right to make money, not just fighters who have belts especially if they conveniently choose opponents who they know they can beat.

This is true, and having a belt doesn't necessarily mean you are a crowd drawer.

jmm didn't dominate this fight. off course, jmm has to outbox jmm becoz he is a boxer-counter puncher but boxing doesn't necessarily win every round for a fighter.

this observation is so bias, so i won't finish reading this long post, coz it doesn't amount to anything.

Well, if you haven't read my post, but have responded negatively to it, maybe you have a slight bias?

Seriously though, my point was that Pac lost on points after getting an early 10-7 Round on all three cards. This observation is not bias, it's simply a fact.

I went into this fight rootin' for Pac. He was the exciting new guy with speed, poer and most of all, stamina. When he floored Marquez, I was screamin' man. It was Pac's arrival in the top-tier scene and he was taking the belts from Marquez in monstrous fashion. But he didn't. I stressed-out for the next few rounds, because we were watching Marquez being allowed to climb back into the fight. But, I still wanted to see Manny pull it off. He just didn't. He couldn't finish what he started in the first round, no bias there.

I saw, as you did, the Champ came back by using his masterful boxing/countering skills to draw this fight.

Summary .... I wanted Manny to finish-off Marquez and show that he deserved to be in the top tier. But, instead I became even more a fan of Marquez because he showed every boxing fan what skills and heart a true Champion must possess.

jmm is smart for wanting more money. he is the draw. sure fans like to see pac fight but jmm has the belt so really pac needs him or pac can go fight morales and probably lose for no belt. so if he wants the belt fork over the cash.


Here's a better pic of JMM....lol

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/4729/rcr9vk.jpg

Here's a better pic of JMM....lol

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/4729/rcr9vk.jpg

ha-ha...lol... :D ...i think i know where you got these pics.

somebody must be dumb enuff not to know who the spectators are booing especially if he/she is of them...don't you think? :)

Not sure if you're calling me a dumbass or not, but whatever.
There have been many times while watching a fight on TV that I've heard the crowd boo and asked myself exactly WHO or WHAT they were booing, cause I didnt see either fighter doing anything that deserved it. That was my point!

http://img126.exs.cx/img126/2769/mannytheavoidedonesamp3xt.jpg

LMFAO! That's friggin' hilarious.

Exactly, being booed by a crowd that paid huge amount just to see a fight and they end up seeing some dancing or running show. The crowd was so disappointed because they expect something better. Oh, there is a sure way to know who the crowd is booing, watch the fight if you have the chance.

I do watch them, thank you. Apparently you and I appreciate different qualities in a fighter, and a good fight. While a knockout is always exciting, I have no problem watching a technician ply his craft. That is what the Sweet Science is all about..I understand that with Pac's limited skills that he pretty much has to rely on knockouts, and the fact that he has the power to accomplish that SOMETIMES says good things about him since there is very little a fighter can do to improve his level of power..youre either born with it or your not; just like a good chin. But, skill is something else all together...it can be worked on and improved, and if Pac would work on that he'd be a force to reckon with (I've posted that many times).
See, I can post my reply without insulting you and/or your intelligence....referring to your remark about me actually watching the fight; what the hell do you think I'm doing while I'm sitting there in front of the tv?
Like I said, it's one thing to have the power to knock someone out..but I like it when a fighter has the skills and talent to outbox his opponet too. Boxing is not all about ko's...every once in a while, a boxer is forced to actually BOX, and I, unlike you , have no problem with that..no problem at all.

jmm is smart for wanting more money. he is the draw. sure fans like to see pac fight but jmm has the belt so really pac needs him or pac can go fight morales and probably lose for no belt. so if he wants the belt fork over the cash.
one doesnt necessarilly have to follow the guy with the belt. just like what MAB did before when he was the ring magazine people's champ. MAB was bigger than JMM even when JMM had those belts. When did JMM came to light?... it's all coz of Pacman. with JMM's full effort in his first fight with Pacman, all he can have is a lucky draw out of an administrative gift. and now here he comes back still yet to prove his worth but asking for too much. i dont get the point. :(

Marquez's performance against Pac proves he is in fact a first-tier Champion. He proved this not only to himself, but to anyone watching that fight. You must give Marquez's titles some credibility, otherwise, why would your boy Pac want them?

Your four "justifiable" reasons are pretty weak.

Sure Pac had Marquez down 3 times in one Round, but then what? You say it was "luck" he survived! Look at some of those lefts Marquez took in Round 1 afterthe 3rd knockdown, that's not luck, it's chin and heart. If Pac was all the Champ you say he is, why could he not finish such a "beaten" man? I know the answer ... because he can't, and won't. He had his chance and blew it. Marquez remained in the fight because he is skilled boxer and fighter, unlike Pac, who gave Marquez nothing different during rounds 2 to 12. Pac was simply out-boxed by a Champion after those intial knockdowns.

You say that Marquez never "threatened" Pac. It's a game of points my friend, not threats. Marquez outpointed Pac over Rounds 2 to 12. It's called Championship Boxing not Championship Threatening.

You mention the judging. Again, it was one point that separated those guys after 12 Rounds. If Pac actually was equipped with the "Class-A" skills you mentioned, he should have never been in that situation. Pac should have used his "Class-A" skills to win that fight by wide margin after the spread he created in Round #1. But,he couldn't pull it out when facing a true first-tier Champ like Marquez.

SUMMARY
For Pac to beat a Champ like Marquez, he needed more than a 10-7 round! What does that say about your man?
man, the way i read your post it seemed like Pac beat your champ Marquez and failed to finish it. your like saying Marquez is a tough punching bag and its cool to see a champ KDed 3x in first round. is that some good quality champ that we should be amazed of? i give respect to JMM for coming back but getting those 3 KDs in the 1st round isnt just good to any champ. now, what if i rephrase your statement... if your champ realy is that good, how come he was KDed in the 1st round not once, not twice, but 3x! and if Marquez is realy a champ, howcome he failed to dominate Pacman? and if he realy is a good champ, why havent he got at least the controvertial 1 point lead on his side? and howcome Pacman can play a cleaner fight than JMM by avoiding too many low blows like JMM did? i guess your champ had to resort to those just to gain advantage huh? :rolleyes:

Not sure if you're calling me a dumbass or not, but whatever.
There have been many times while watching a fight on TV that I've heard the crowd boo and asked myself exactly WHO or WHAT they were booing, cause I didnt see either fighter doing anything that deserved it. That was my point!

he-he... :D...i knew you would say that...i'm not calling you dumb (i wouldn't say that to a nice person like you)...i was only saying that if somebody is watching the fight in the arena with other spectators around him...it is highly unlikely not to know who those boos are meant for.

man, the way i read your post it seemed like Pac beat your champ Marquez and failed to finish it. your like saying Marquez is a tough punching bag and its cool to see a champ KDed 3x in first round.

First, he's not my Champ, he simply displayed Champion stuff by overcoming that 10-7 first Round. I chose Pac to win this fight and actually wanted to see him prove that the hype the kept building after Lebwada was not empty. I was rootin' for Pac. He' still a great fighter, but lost some lustre by not finishing Marquez.

For Pac to be a Champion, he must beat the Champ (not former Champs). He didn't do that against Marquez, but proved he's is definitely a speedy hard hitter, but seemed to lack the ring smarts and skills to take advantrage of an apparently "beaten" man.

First, he's not my Champ, he simply displayed Champion stuff by overcoming that 10-7 first Round. I chose Pac to win this fight and actually wanted to see him prove that the hype the kept building after Lebwada was not empty. I was rootin' for Pac. He' still a great fighter, but lost some lustre by not finishing Marquez.

For Pac to be a Champion, he must beat the Champ (not former Champs). He didn't do that against Marquez, but proved he's is definitely a speedy hard hitter, but seemed to lack the ring smarts and skills to take advantrage of an apparently "beaten" man.

nicely said munn, however he may have lost some luster to your eyes but not to all, he still remains ahead of mab and jmm in the p4p rankings. in fact some experts moved him up the ladder... :)

First, he's not my Champ, he simply displayed Champion stuff by overcoming that 10-7 first Round. I chose Pac to win this fight and actually wanted to see him prove that the hype the kept building after Lebwada was not empty. I was rootin' for Pac. He' still a great fighter, but lost some lustre by not finishing Marquez.

For Pac to be a Champion, he must beat the Champ (not former Champs). He didn't do that against Marquez, but proved he's is definitely a speedy hard hitter, but seemed to lack the ring smarts and skills to take advantrage of an apparently "beaten" man.
ok i see. am a pac fan too but i dont want to sound biased. its just that i know what pac is realy capable of doing. and we cant justify that when he's partially disabled. plus the fact that on the 2nd round, JMM was no longer a beaten fighter coz he was saved by the bell on the 1st and had his rest.on the 2nd round, he just had a broken nose but can still give his full capacity to throw his punches. better than an injured fist. anyway this is why this rematch is happening. pac wanted this rematch very badly to prove himself from the 1st while JMM tried to avoid it but theres just no escape. this is why JMM should be more careful coz Pacman's gonna kill him and send him to kingdom come.

he-he... :D...i knew you would say that...i'm not calling you dumb (i wouldn't say that to a nice person like you)...i was only saying that if somebody is watching the fight in the arena with other spectators around him...it is highly unlikely not to know who those boos are meant for.

I've yet to see a fight live..it's always been on the tv. So sometimes it's kinda hard to tell just who or what the crowd is booing.
Like I have said over and over...JMM has (and had before Pac) plenty of fans and to claim otherwise is an insult to him and all the hard work he has put in. Also, I still think that he completely outboxed Manny in the first fight..almost every single round after the 2nd. I'm sticking to that..PERIOD.
I really hate that I can post how amazing Pacs power is, and how if he'd work on improving his technique he'd be pure hell to deal with..yet none of Pacs fans (or none on this thread) can find it in themselves to give JMM just an ounce of credit and/or respect. And it's even worse that that..he get's insulted and his style of boxing is called a style for "*******"...that kind of crap is enough to make his fans dislike Pac completely, which is unfair to him. I'll be so damn glad when this rematch happens..just to prove to some of you that JMM is a great boxer...and doesnt have to rely on knockouts to win.

I've yet to see a fight live..it's always been on the tv. So sometimes it's kinda hard to tell just who or what the crowd is booing.
Like I have said over and over...JMM has (and had before Pac) plenty of fans and to claim otherwise is an insult to him and all the hard work he has put in. Also, I still think that he completely outboxed Manny in the first fight..almost every single round after the 2nd. I'm sticking to that..PERIOD.
I really hate that I can post how amazing Pacs power is, and how if he'd work on improving his technique he'd be pure hell to deal with..yet none of Pacs fans (or none on this thread) can find it in themselves to give JMM just an ounce of credit and/or respect. And it's even worse that that..he get's insulted and his style of boxing is called a style for "*******"...that kind of crap is enough to make his fans dislike Pac completely, which is unfair to him. I'll be so damn glad when this rematch happens..just to prove to some of you that JMM is a great boxer...and doesnt have to rely on knockouts to win.

i give jmm credits for his hard work and dedication to boxing and winning. i recognize him as one of the best counter-punchers around (not the best boxer tho). i admire his heart to overcome the 3-kds he suffered with pac.

i think i said these in some of my posts on this board. :confused:

i give jmm credits for his hard work and dedication to boxing and winning. i recognize him as one of the best counter-punchers around (not the best boxer tho). i admire his heart to overcome the 3-kds he suffered with pac.

i think i said these in some of my posts on this board. :confused:

Maybe you did, I just didnt see them. If so, all apologies. And dont call me dumb again or I'll kick your ass!!! :p :D

;) I've yet to see a fight live..it's always been on the tv. So sometimes it's kinda hard to tell just who or what the crowd is booing.
Like I have said over and over...JMM has (and had before Pac) plenty of fans and to claim otherwise is an insult to him and all the hard work he has put in. Also, I still think that he completely outboxed Manny in the first fight..almost every single round after the 2nd. I'm sticking to that..PERIOD.
I really hate that I can post how amazing Pacs power is, and how if he'd work on improving his technique he'd be pure hell to deal with..yet none of Pacs fans (or none on this thread) can find it in themselves to give JMM just an ounce of credit and/or respect. And it's even worse that that..he get's insulted and his style of boxing is called a style for "*******"...that kind of crap is enough to make his fans dislike Pac completely, which is unfair to him. I'll be so damn glad when this rematch happens..just to prove to some of you that JMM is a great boxer...and doesnt have to rely on knockouts to win.
hi! its been a while. i'd like to see what you mean in their rematch but it seems like Marquez is just not serious enough in proving that. all that runs through his mind now is the big purse just incase he loses. he keeps on insisting that his two belts are at steak thats why he deserve the money. how many times did he fight with his two belts at steak? did he ver demanded for such big purse? if not why on a rematch with Pacman? i respect your feelings about JMM. but if JMM himself have respect for himself, he wouldn't be using such stupid reasons to threaten the rematch. i give respect for what he showed in their last fight but not on this case where his honor is on the money alone and not on taking the fight. peace. Happy New Year. ;)

Maybe you did, I just didnt see them. If so, all apologies. And dont call me dumb again or I'll kick your ass!!! :p :D

ha-ha...lol...i can't even hurt a fly...i'm at your service anytime, ma'am! ;)

ha-ha...lol...i can't even hurt a fly...i'm at your service anytime, ma'am! ;)

well youre safe til you call me dumb again. I'm alot of things, and yes that includes being a ***** when the situation calls for it, but Im in no way a dumbass. So, dont make me hurt you!!! :p :D

well youre safe til you call me dumb again. I'm alot of things, and yes that includes being a ***** when the situation calls for it, but Im in no way a dumbass. So, dont make me hurt you!!!

:o tracy, i know you can be anything, even a b***h... :D ...i won't ever do that again...i promise... ;)

:o tracy, i know you can be anything, even a b***h... :D ...i won't ever do that again...i promise... ;)


I was just messing with ya anyway! :p It was just the way you worded it, and then there was that post by that other guy, telling me to actually WATCH the fight next time..and I thought wait a damn minute here..I DO watch them, and I'm not dumb either!!! But it's all good..no problems here!
It will be a great rematch, and I'm looking forward to it now more than ever!!!!!

I was just messing with ya anyway! :p It was just the way you worded it, and then there was that post by that other guy, telling me to actually WATCH the fight next time..and I thought wait a damn minute here..I DO watch them, and I'm not dumb either!!! But it's all good..no problems here!
It will be a great rematch, and I'm looking forward to it now more than ever!!!!!

same here, tracy...i hope the latest news that this fight may not happen on feb 26th is just a rumor...i know a lot of boxing fans around the globe have already marked this date on their calendar and are rarin to see this possible blockbuster of the year.

check out this thread.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5713&page=1&pp=10

I do watch them, thank you. Apparently you and I appreciate different qualities in a fighter, and a good fight. While a knockout is always exciting, I have no problem watching a technician ply his craft. That is what the Sweet Science is all about..I understand that with Pac's limited skills that he pretty much has to rely on knockouts, and the fact that he has the power to accomplish that SOMETIMES says good things about him since there is very little a fighter can do to improve his level of power..youre either born with it or your not; just like a good chin. But, skill is something else all together...it can be worked on and improved, and if Pac would work on that he'd be a force to reckon with (I've posted that many times).
See, I can post my reply without insulting you and/or your intelligence....referring to your remark about me actually watching the fight; what the hell do you think I'm doing while I'm sitting there in front of the tv?
Like I said, it's one thing to have the power to knock someone out..but I like it when a fighter has the skills and talent to outbox his opponet too. Boxing is not all about ko's...every once in a while, a boxer is forced to actually BOX, and I, unlike you , have no problem with that..no problem at all.

First of all. I am not insulting you or your intelligence, it is not my nature to insult nobody, I am just wondering why you can't tell who the crowd is booing when you are actually watching it. Number two - "why did you say unlike you" I don't have no problem with boxers who boxed when they are forced to box either, and you are correct these types of boxers have the skills and talents. But then again I disagree with your understanding of Pacman's limited skills. His fight with Barrera will attest to that. I am not discrediting Marquez, I consider him one of Mexico's best ( although see Rafael to be better than him). Nice exchanging post with you.

But then again I disagree with your understanding of Pacman's limited skills. His fight with Barrera will attest to that. I am not discrediting Marquez, I consider him one of Mexico's best ( although see Rafael to be better than him). Nice exchanging post with you.

First, Pac's display of skills against Barrera amounted to raw speed and power, which did not "attest" to anything. Roach has all but agreed with that summary of Pac's performance. Both Roach and Pac were happy to see the same combo working beautifully against Barrera. Pac needed very little more than his excellent speed and left hand power. Pac did not reuqire any particularly impressive range of skills other that than limited approach. It was the recipe required for that night against that fighter. Nothing more.

Fast forward to JMM and we see pac offering the same head movement and combos, without any variation all night long. That lack of adjustment/skill cost him the fight. I expect that Pac will show-up with something else in the rematch, otherwise the boxer JMM will decision the speedy and powrful Pac.

First, Pac's display of skills against Barrera amounted to raw speed and power, which did not "attest" to anything. Roach has all but agreed with that summary of Pac's performance. Both Roach and Pac were happy to see the same combo working beautifully against Barrera. Pac needed very little more than his excellent speed and left hand power. Pac did not reuqire any particularly impressive range of skills other that than limited approach. It was the recipe required for that night against that fighter. Nothing more.

Fast forward to JMM and we see pac offering the same head movement and combos, without any variation all night long. That lack of adjustment/skill cost him the fight. I expect that Pac will show-up with something else in the rematch, otherwise the boxer JMM will decision the speedy and powrful Pac.

Pac didn't need anything more than to annihilate and embarass MAB in fact of his adoring fans. His style is just no match to MAB's boxing/counterpunching/slugging styles any of which he doesn't mastered to perfection. I hope Pac comes in ready and 100% so he can belie what the critics don't know or know little about him and his abilities in the ring.

Pac didn't need anything more than to annihilate and embarass MAB in fact of his adoring fans. His style is just no match to MAB's boxing/counterpunching/slugging styles any of which he doesn't mastered to perfection. I hope Pac comes in ready and 100% so he can belie what the critics don't know or know little about him and his abilities in the ring.

True. His style was more than enough to topple Barrera.

I hope that both Pac and Marquez are truly 100% for the rematch. We deserve it. Right before Pac-MAB bout, Barrera told Merchant he was "ready", which should be expected from any fighter a few days before a big fight. But, Barrera's training interruptions were in fact limiting his preparation.

I expect that Pac and Marquez will be ready, with no excuses. Then, all that will remain will be the judges cards, if we need them.

First, Pac's display of skills against Barrera amounted to raw speed and power, which did not "attest" to anything. Roach has all but agreed with that summary of Pac's performance. Both Roach and Pac were happy to see the same combo working beautifully against Barrera. Pac needed very little more than his excellent speed and left hand power. Pac did not reuqire any particularly impressive range of skills other that than limited approach. It was the recipe required for that night against that fighter. Nothing more.

Fast forward to JMM and we see pac offering the same head movement and combos, without any variation all night long. That lack of adjustment/skill cost him the fight. I expect that Pac will show-up with something else in the rematch, otherwise the boxer JMM will decision the speedy and powrful Pac.

If you do not see Pacman's speed and power as skill, then what does Barrera have?, What does JMM have? Pac did not require any particular imopressive range of skills?, Barrera was beaten in all department. Speed, power, footwork... what else do you want to see? Against JMM-lack of adjustment maybe, but cetainly not lack of skill. And by the way, he did not lose that fight. Now to be able for us fight fans to see who is really the better fighter, can somebody please tell JMM to sign the contract and lets get it on?

[QUOTE=ispayder]Speed, power, footwork... what else do you want to see? Against JMM-lack of adjustment maybe, but cetainly not lack of skill.[QUOTE]

Whoa Pony! Don't get too serious now, it's just an opinion.

Pac's speed and power can't be questioned, but don't mention footwork, which is a basic skill that he lacks. I can admit that Pac's unique style, combining good speed and heavy hands, is a pleasure to watch. But please, there's no real footwork to mention. This has not hindered Pac though, because he has abnormally quick hands and power that can overcome his lack of foot movement and other boxing skills.

And by the way, he did not lose that fight.

Thanks for the update. Haven't seen that result anywhere in print though.

[QUOTE=ispayder]Speed, power, footwork... what else do you want to see? Against JMM-lack of adjustment maybe, but cetainly not lack of skill.[QUOTE]

Whoa Pony! Don't get too serious now, it's just an opinion.

Pac's speed and power can't be questioned, but don't mention footwork, which is a basic skill that he lacks. I can admit that Pac's unique style, combining good speed and heavy hands, is a pleasure to watch. But please, there's no real footwork to mention. This has not hindered Pac though, because he has abnormally quick hands and power that can overcome his lack of foot movement and other boxing skills.

of course pac got speed. how do you think he can move inside and spring back quickly, throw haymakers from different angles and maintain his balance without any footwork.? footwork is not only akin to boxers.

in this match, its pretty easy to see who's the better fighter. whoever is confident enough on his own capability to sign a contract and fight, he is the better fighter. and whoever hesitates to do so definitely knows he has a questionable chances in winning.