DLH losing to Hopkins
Tito losing to Hopkins
Morales losing to Raheem...

if these fighters didnt use that excuse, why are the fans :rolleyes:

And on the contrary, can Ruiz say "RJJ is the naturally lighter and faster fighter." Weight advantage? Nope... excuses like these are one way streets.

But this argument should work the other way....

Castillo is naturally bigger than the weight class he fights at. As well as Margarito. This gives them a heavy advantage. Both fights, Castillo ate a lot of punches from Mayweather. A fighter his at Floyds weight naturally would have been dazed at least, not Castillo.

I also heard Daniel Santos, who beat Margarito, is HUGE when he's not in the ring. The guy's also 6 feet...

PS: There is a good argument for DLH, but if Roger Mayweather thought DLH could compete at the higher weight classes, who am I to question that?

DLH losing to Hopkins
Tito losing to Hopkins
Morales losing to Raheem...

if these fighters didnt use that excuse, why are the fans :rolleyes:

And on the contrary, can Ruiz say "RJJ is the naturally lighter and faster fighter." Weight advantage? Nope... excuses like these are one way streets.

But this argument should work the other way....

Castillo is naturally bigger than the weight class he fights at. As well as Margarito. This gives them a heavy advantage. Both fights, Castillo ate a lot of punches from Mayweather. A fighter his at Floyds weight naturally would have been dazed at least, not Castillo.

I also heard Daniel Santos, who beat Margarito, is HUGE when he's not in the ring. The guy's also 6 feet...

PS: There is a good argument for DLH, but if Roger Mayweather thought DLH could compete at the higher weight classes, who am I to question that?
ImSoFlyyy; How did you learn so much about boxing? LMAO

You are an idiot. Youv'e never boxed have you?

Great... flaming. Please stay out of my threads if you have nothing to contribute.

Sorry for hijacking...but that signature is a classic example of "0wned.."


But to get back on subject.
When a fighter is heavier than another fighter he's usually stronger than him as well..

What part of the signature...

All of it..
I like the part where he cathces him with a 1-2......3 combo..ending with the left hook.

I like where Barrera lands a Tarver... coming up with a wicked left hook like Tarver did to TKO Jones not really seeing the boxer's head.
All of it..
I like the part where he cathces him with a 1-2......3 combo..ending with the left hook.

DLH took a dive against hopkins. he just wanted his paycheck and a vacation.
tito could never handle guys with jabs.
likewise for morales.
corrales just got caught with a helluva left hook. weak chin + awesome left hook = knockout.

these fighters didnt lose cuz of weight. they lost cuz of what the other fighters did. DLH dived, hopkins jabbed, raheem jabbed, and castillo brought the punch. weight did NOT factor into any of these fights.

but as previously stated, these fighters gave no excuses. so their fans have no position to make excuses for the fighters that lost.

DLH took a dive against hopkins. he just wanted his paycheck and a vacation.
tito could never handle guys with jabs.
likewise for morales.
corrales just got caught with a helluva left hook. weak chin + awesome left hook = knockout.

these fighters didnt lose cuz of weight. they lost cuz of what the other fighters did. DLH dived, hopkins jabbed, raheem jabbed, and castillo brought the punch. weight did NOT factor into any of these fights.

but as previously stated, these fighters gave no excuses. so their fans have no position to make excuses for the fighters that lost.




#1 thats pure bull**** that de la hoya took a dive, hopkins just caught him with a hard liver shot & he couldnt get up.
& #2 anyone would have been knocked out with the left hook castillo threw at corrales, its got nothing to do with him having a weak chin, how the **** can ppl say he has a weak chin after the punishment he took in the 1st fight???

#1 thats pure bull**** that de la hoya took a dive, hopkins just caught him with a hard liver shot & he couldnt get up.
& #2 anyone would have been knocked out with the left hook castillo threw at corrales, its got nothing to do with him having a weak chin, how the **** can ppl say he has a weak chin after the punishment he took in the 1st fight???

The first fight took 100x more out of Corrales than it took out of Castillo.

Morales gots the recent excuse bout weight. He said he was too fat at 135lbs WHEN HIS CAMP n HIM says makin 130lbs is too hard for him. He got exposed to say the least.

#1 thats pure bull**** that de la hoya took a dive, hopkins just caught him with a hard liver shot & he couldnt get up.
& #2 anyone would have been knocked out with the left hook castillo threw at corrales, its got nothing to do with him having a weak chin, how the **** can ppl say he has a weak chin after the punishment he took in the 1st fight???
uhh, by him getting dropped twice in one round and getting dropped a total of 13 times in a 43 fight and 9 year career?

have you ever seen him take a punch?

i mustve seen that "liver punch" a billion times and half of those times in slow motion. and ive seen plenty of liver punches (having recieved a few myself), and i KNOW where the human liver is. that hopkins punch landed cleanly on oscars RIB CAGE. if that punch had been a few milimeters closer to oscars back, it couldve been considered a kidney punch. besides, how many fighters have you seen grimacing in pain and rolling on the floor from a single body shot?

about the castillo left hook: yes, it was an awesome punch. no, it would NOT have KOd ANYBODY. thats just ignorant saying that.

it wouldve knocked you the **** out so who are you to say someone has a weak chin! and i bet you couldnt knock chico out or even down!
and you wouldnt know how painful the body shot was even if you have watched it a billion times in slow motion! so who the **** are you to say de la hoya took a dive?

How does Chico have a weak chin?

Casamayor had no problems dropping him and Mayweather looked like Tyson in their match up.
it wouldve knocked you the **** out so who are you to say someone has a weak chin! and i bet you couldnt knock chico out or even down!
and you wouldnt know how painful the body shot was even if you have watched it a billion times in slow motion! so who the **** are you to say de la hoya took a dive?

in the mayweather fight he had problem making weight so he was weak!
and casamayor headbutted him to knock him down & just caught him with a good shot!

it wouldve knocked you the **** out so who are you to say someone has a weak chin! and i bet you couldnt knock chico out or even down!
and you wouldnt know how painful the body shot was even if you have watched it a billion times in slow motion! so who the **** are you to say de la hoya took a dive?
we arent talking about me here.

ive seen fighters get KOd from body shots. and when they get dropped, they double over, and hardly move at all. DLH didnt double over and he sure as hell didnt freeze. he just spit out his mouthpiece, was rolling around on the ground, grimacing to make it look good.

aside from tito (whom hopkins counterpunched nearly to death) and DLH taking a dive, what other notable fighter has hopkins KOd? glen johnson was just outslugged, yes. but there is no way that hopkins KOd someone as tough as oscar with one punch (at that punch was NOT a liver punch).

who am i to say this? i am who i am and i have sufficient boxing knowledge to know a weak chin when i see one and corrales has one.

we arent talking about me here.

ive seen fighters get KOd from body shots. and when they get dropped, they double over, and hardly move at all. DLH didnt double over and he sure as hell didnt freeze. he just spit out his mouthpiece, was rolling around on the ground, grimacing to make it look good.

aside from tito (whom hopkins counterpunched nearly to death) and DLH taking a dive, what other notable fighter has hopkins KOd? glen johnson was just outslugged, yes. but there is no way that hopkins KOd someone as tough as oscar with one punch (at that punch was NOT a liver punch).

who am i to say this? i am who i am and i have sufficient boxing knowledge to know a weak chin when i see one and corrales has one.

alright then were not goin to agree bout this
so you can have your opinion & ill have mine!
and i have nothing agaisnt you!

in the mayweather fight he had problem making weight so he was weak!
and casamayor headbutted him to knock him down & just caught him with a good shot!
dont even start with throwing around weight issues. thats all you chico fans can conjure up: excuses with weight.

a headbutt? even if it was a headbutt, casamayor KDd corrales 3 times in two fights. "just caught him with a good shot"? ok, so should we discredit that knockdown cuz corrales was hit with a good shot? basically, you said "he was only KDd cuz he got punched!"

dont even start with throwing around weight issues. thats all you chico fans can conjure up: excuses with weight.

a headbutt? even if it was a headbutt, casamayor KDd corrales 3 times in two fights. "just caught him with a good shot"? ok, so should we discredit that knockdown cuz corrales was hit with a good shot? basically, you said "he was only KDd cuz he got punched!"


no i aint making excusses for him being knocked down the 2nd & 3rd time against casamayor! even people who have good chins can go down with a shot right on the button or shots they dont see comming! and i know chico's chin isnt great but its not as bad as all the haters say it is!

no i aint making excusses for him being knocked down the 2nd & 3rd time against casamayor! even people who have good chins can go down with a shot right on the button or shots they dont see comming! and i know chico's chin isnt great but its not as bad as all the haters say it is!
its not just the haters, its everybody.

people have made up their minds that if you can take a punch without blinking or staggering, that means ur iron tough and can take anything dished out at you. and people are convince that if you have a weak chin, one punch and ur gone.

this, of course, is not true. some have good chins, some have weak chins, some have hard chins, some have lower than average chins.

on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the best), id have to rate chico's chin as probly a 5 or a 6 at best. the only thing that carries him so far with a weak chin is his determination and heart. sometimes you dont need a good chin if you have a lot of heart (some people confuse a fighters durability with a fighters determination).

chico's chin is less than average, but his heart makes up for it.

DLH losing to Hopkins
Tito losing to Hopkins
Morales losing to Raheem...

if these fighters didnt use that excuse, why are the fans :rolleyes:

And on the contrary, can Ruiz say "RJJ is the naturally lighter and faster fighter." Weight advantage? Nope... excuses like these are one way streets.

But this argument should work the other way....

Castillo is naturally bigger than the weight class he fights at. As well as Margarito. This gives them a heavy advantage. Both fights, Castillo ate a lot of punches from Mayweather. A fighter his at Floyds weight naturally would have been dazed at least, not Castillo.

I also heard Daniel Santos, who beat Margarito, is HUGE when he's not in the ring. The guy's also 6 feet...

PS: There is a good argument for DLH, but if Roger Mayweather thought DLH could compete at the higher weight classes, who am I to question that?

i agree
people rip on bhop for beating tito, even tho tito was a favorite in that fight
oscar is a formidable mw as well, thos ppl are just haters
morales was out of shape tho, but i think hes going downhill