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Dempsey 1919
12-12-2005, 05:18 PM
i've been thinking about it, and i thing a prime patterson could beat a prime marciano. if it went the distance rocky would lose a wide ud, and i think it might be possible for patterson to ko rocky as well. just my opinion.

blockhead
12-12-2005, 05:39 PM
i've been thinking about it, and i thing a prime patterson could beat a prime marciano. if it went the distance rocky would lose a wide ud, and i think it might be possible for patterson to ko rocky as well. just my opinion.
not a chance floyd could beat rocky. not a chance in hell.

Dempsey 1919
12-12-2005, 06:03 PM
not a chance floyd could beat rocky. not a chance in hell.

if the fight went the distance, then there's no chance of marciano winning, patterson would hit him 3 times as much.

blockhead
12-12-2005, 06:10 PM
if the fight went the distance, then there's no chance of marciano winning, patterson would hit him 3 times as much.
no chance the fight ever goes the distance. patterson gets knocked out and might just get really severe brain damage.

Dempsey 1919
12-12-2005, 06:11 PM
no chance the fight ever goes the distance. patterson gets knocked out and might just get really severe brain damage.

how is it no chance? it's not like marciano never went the distance with a fighter.

blockhead
12-12-2005, 06:13 PM
how is it no chance? it's not like marciano never went the distance with a fighter.
he wouldnt go the distance with patterson. i cant see patterson avoiding rockys right for 15 rounds. he would get caught eventually and caught badly.

Dempsey 1919
12-12-2005, 06:19 PM
he wouldnt go the distance with patterson. i cant see patterson avoiding rockys right for 15 rounds. he would get caught eventually and caught badly.

roland lastarza managed to go 15 with rocky.

blockhead
12-12-2005, 06:32 PM
roland lastarza managed to go 15 with rocky.
so, that doesnt mean floyd could. floyd was really good but i just see him getting hurt badly if this would have happened. marciano was just vicious. he went in there and hurt people. he didnt box he punched and hard. and nobody hurt him.

Dempsey 1919
12-12-2005, 06:37 PM
so, that doesnt mean floyd could. floyd was really good but i just see him getting hurt badly if this would have happened. marciano was just vicious. he went in there and hurt people. he didnt box he punched and hard. and nobody hurt him.

let me clue you in on something. in 1955, marciano fought archie moore and moore floored him in the second round and gave him trouble the whole fight, and it took 8 rounds and 5 knockdowns to finish moore. a year later moore fought patterson and was obliterated in 5. how do you explain that?

Imira
12-12-2005, 06:39 PM
roland lastarza managed to go 15 with rocky.

Their first fight was a 10 rounder. LaStarza lost the fight because Rocky floored him in the 4th round.

Imira
12-12-2005, 06:47 PM
so, that doesnt mean floyd could. floyd was really good but i just see him getting hurt badly if this would have happened. marciano was just vicious. he went in there and hurt people. he didnt box he punched and hard. and nobody hurt him.

People like to say this about Rocky and ignore the fact that...

Keene Simmons nearly knocked him out in the fifth round of their fight. Rocky was stunned and staggering around the ring. Simmons wasn't known for his power, by the way.

Joe Louis' stunned Rocky badly in their fight.

Jersey Joe Walcott dropped Marciano, stunned him so badly that he nearly collapsed and buckled his knees with body punches.

You can say what you want, but he got up on shaky legs after his knockdown at the hands of Moore.

I'm not nitpicking. I really like The Rock. I'm just saying that Rocky could definitely be hurt. It was his ability to survive that was unquestionable.

Smack
12-12-2005, 06:50 PM
This wouldn't go the distance, Rocky KO's him before the 9th.

Dempsey 1919
12-12-2005, 06:52 PM
People like to say this about Rocky and ignore the fact that...

Keene Simmons nearly knocked him out in the fifth round of their fight. Rocky was stunned and staggering around the ring. Simmons wasn't known for his power, by the way.

Joe Louis' stunned Rocky badly in their fight.

Jersey Joe Walcott dropped Marciano, stunned him so badly that he nearly collapsed and buckled his knees with body punches.

You can say what you want, but he got up on shaky legs after his knockdown at the hands of Moore.

I'm not nitpicking. I really like The Rock. I'm just saying that Rocky could definitely be hurt. It was his ability to survive that was unquestionable.

good post. good karma for you.

LondonRingRules
12-12-2005, 06:55 PM
let me clue you in on something. in 1955, marciano fought archie moore and moore floored him in the second round and gave him trouble the whole fight, and it took 8 rounds and 5 knockdowns to finish moore. a year later moore fought patterson and was obliterated in 5. how do you explain that?
**Kid you're clueless. Not many take the kind of beating Rocky gave out to continue their careers.

Patterson was dispatched by Ingo and and Liston. Rocky would dispatch him too. LaStarza did not last the distance the 2nd go round in the title fight. Rocky was 7-0, 6 KO in title fights. Charles managed to last the distance in their rematch, but he had a better style than Patterson to fight Rocky.

Imira
12-12-2005, 07:01 PM
...Charles managed to last the distance in their rematch, but he had a better style than Patterson to fight Rocky.

Agree with you, LRR. I think it was the throat punch in the middle rounds that took a lot of steam out of Charles in their first fight.

Dempsey 1919
12-12-2005, 07:02 PM
**Kid you're clueless. Not many take the kind of beating Rocky gave out to continue their careers.

Patterson was dispatched by Ingo and and Liston. Rocky would dispatch him too. LaStarza did not last the distance the 2nd go round in the title fight. Rocky was 7-0, 6 KO in title fights. Charles managed to last the distance in their rematch, but he had a better style than Patterson to fight Rocky.

i'm not saying patterson would definetely beat rocky, i'm just saying it's a possibility. and you can't compare liston to marciano. liston is arguably in the top three of hardest hitters ever.

blockhead
12-12-2005, 07:04 PM
People like to say this about Rocky and ignore the fact that...

Keene Simmons nearly knocked him out in the fifth round of their fight. Rocky was stunned and staggering around the ring. Simmons wasn't known for his power, by the way.

Joe Louis' stunned Rocky badly in their fight.

Jersey Joe Walcott dropped Marciano, stunned him so badly that he nearly collapsed and buckled his knees with body punches.

You can say what you want, but he got up on shaky legs after his knockdown at the hands of Moore.

I'm not nitpicking. I really like The Rock. I'm just saying that Rocky could definitely be hurt. It was his ability to survive that was unquestionable.
good point, he was never hurt to the point of giving in and being beat. he always seemed to come on harder after going down.
he suffered some early knockdown and then came back to be very frustrating and punishing.

blockhead
12-12-2005, 07:06 PM
let me clue you in on something. in 1955, marciano fought archie moore and moore floored him in the second round and gave him trouble the whole fight, and it took 8 rounds and 5 knockdowns to finish moore. a year later moore fought patterson and was obliterated in 5. how do you explain that?
archie moore was an old light heavyweight. and a great great fighter. if there were as many weight divisions in moores day as there are now. he would definately be one of the most talked about fighters on this forum.

Imira
12-12-2005, 07:11 PM
...he was never hurt to the point of giving in and being beat.

So, you're saying he's undefeated. :biggthump

Dempsey 1919
12-12-2005, 07:15 PM
archie moore was an old light heavyweight. and a great great fighter. if there were as many weight divisions in moores day as there are now. he would definately be one of the most talked about fighters on this forum.

but he was old against marciano too. the way i see it, the moore that fought marciano was basically the same moore that fought patterwson, cause it was one year apart, probably less. and patterson was given less trouble.

Skydog
12-12-2005, 07:20 PM
I hear ya, Butterfly, it's definetly a possibility. Patterson had handspeed and punching power that could cut up Maricano's face bad, and Patterson was pretty quick on his feet.

However, Patterson doesn't have a strong chin, but it's much stronger than everyone says it is. He KTFO by Liston and Johnasson, Liston an extrememly hard hitter, and Ingo had that deadly right hand that was called "Ingo's Bingo." Nevertheless, Rocky's "Suzie Q" was not a force to be reckoned with.

I could see this fight going either way, but I would lean more towards Marciano winning on a mid KO. However, if it went the distance, Floyd would win by a large margin of points.

Dempsey 1919
12-12-2005, 07:22 PM
I hear ya, Butterfly, it's definetly a possibility. Patterson had handspeed and punching power that could cut up Maricano's face bad, and Patterson was pretty quick on his feet.

However, Patterson doesn't have a strong chin, but it's much stronger than everyone says it is. He KTFO by Liston and Johnasson, Liston an extrememly hard hitter, and Ingo had that deadly right hand that was called "Ingo's Bingo." Nevertheless, Rocky's "Suzie Q" was not a force to be reckoned with.

I could see this fight going either way, but I would lean more towards Marciano winning on a mid KO. However, if it went the distance, Floyd would win by a large margin of points.

at least one person totally agrees with me. heres some good karma when they allow me to.

Da Iceman
12-13-2005, 06:47 PM
if the fight went the distance (which it most likely wouldnt) rocky might get a sd. i think rocky would catch him in round 7 or 8 and ko him with his suzie q. if you watch patterson vs. johannson, floyd was exauhsted by round 5.

Dempsey 1919
12-13-2005, 06:49 PM
if the fight went the distance (which it most likely wouldnt) rocky might get a sd. i think rocky would catch him in round 7 or 8 and ko him with his suzie q. if you watch patterson vs. johannson, floyd was exauhsted by round 5.

are you crazy? walcott was beating rocy on points in their first fight. and floyd is way better than walcott. in fact rocky was sort or scared of patterson! so patterson would comfortably win a ud if it went the distance.

Da Iceman
12-13-2005, 08:55 PM
rocky was never scared of patterson he had to retire cuz his back problems

Skydog
12-13-2005, 09:49 PM
Yea, there was definetly something about Patterson that Rocky didn't want to fight him for. That's why he was planning a comeback for the championship while Ingo was champ. However, Ingo was KTFO by Patterson in their second fight, so Rocky's comeback died then and there. Now I'm not saying that Rocky was scared of Patterson, but there was something Patterson had that Ingo didn't for Rocky.

Dempsey 1919
12-13-2005, 09:55 PM
Yea, there was definetly something about Patterson that Rocky didn't want to fight him for. That's why he was planning a comeback for the championship while Ingo was champ. However, Ingo was KTFO by Patterson in their second fight, so Rocky's comeback died then and there. Now I'm not saying that Rocky was scared of Patterson, but there was something Patterson had that Ingo didn't for Rocky.

that is exactly what i was going to say. rocky ducked patterson like a lil' *****!

Yogi
12-14-2005, 05:06 AM
rocky ducked patterson like a lil' *****!

Butterfly, before you go saying dumb **** like that, it might be best for you to learn a few things about that time;

- Like when Marciano made the decision to retire (which was well before the annoucement).
- The Heavyweight ratings for that time frame.
- The odds for Patterson fights with both Hurricane Jackson & Archie Moore (Floyd was an underdog in both, especially the 4 to 1 odds against him against Moore).
- Who the hell Marciano & Al Weill associated themselves with and then who D'Amato refused to do business with.
- Some quotes from Marciano and those associated with him, stating one of the reasons he retired was because they're was a total lack of competition in his immediate future, which was echoed by MANY in the boxing business.

If you learn just those few things, you'll find that Patterson was thought of very lightly and in fact, wasn't even a ranked Heavyweight contender when Rocky made his decision that he was going to retire...He had no reason what so ever to be scared of a realitive unknown by the name of Floyd Patterson!

Da Iceman
12-14-2005, 09:10 AM
Butterfly, before you go saying dumb **** like that, it might be best for you to learn a few things about that time;

- Like when Marciano made the decision to retire (which was well before the annoucement).
- The Heavyweight ratings for that time frame.
- The odds for Patterson fights with both Hurricane Jackson & Archie Moore (Floyd was an underdog in both, especially the 4 to 1 odds against him against Moore).
- Who the hell Marciano & Al Weill associated themselves with and then who D'Amato refused to do business with.
- Some quotes from Marciano and those associated with him, stating one of the reasons he retired was because they're was a total lack of competition in his immediate future, which was echoed by MANY in the boxing business.

If you learn just those few things, you'll find that Patterson was thought of very lightly and in fact, wasn't even a ranked Heavyweight contender when Rocky made his decision that he was going to retire...He had no reason what so ever to be scared of a realitive unknown by the name of Floyd Patterson!
your right, and rocky retired cuz he didnt want al weil to make any money off him

Oasis_Lad
12-14-2005, 09:15 AM
Rocky Would Knock Floyd's Ass Out Cold

marvdave
12-14-2005, 09:17 AM
Patterson would not be physically strong enough to Keep Rocky off. Rocky would get him out of there within 6 rounds.

The argument of he beat this guy or that guy went 15 rounds with him, therefore Patterson could to doesn't hold water. If it did, I guess some would say Mitch Green and Quick Tillis are better than Holmes and Spinks becuse they went the distance with Tyson.

It's all about styles and matchups and circumstances at the time. I can't see Patterson giving Marciano much trouble..imo

Dempsey 1919
12-14-2005, 12:17 PM
Butterfly, before you go saying dumb **** like that, it might be best for you to learn a few things about that time;

- Like when Marciano made the decision to retire (which was well before the annoucement).
- The Heavyweight ratings for that time frame.
- The odds for Patterson fights with both Hurricane Jackson & Archie Moore (Floyd was an underdog in both, especially the 4 to 1 odds against him against Moore).
- Who the hell Marciano & Al Weill associated themselves with and then who D'Amato refused to do business with.
- Some quotes from Marciano and those associated with him, stating one of the reasons he retired was because they're was a total lack of competition in his immediate future, which was echoed by MANY in the boxing business.

If you learn just those few things, you'll find that Patterson was thought of very lightly and in fact, wasn't even a ranked Heavyweight contender when Rocky made his decision that he was going to retire...He had no reason what so ever to be scared of a realitive unknown by the name of Floyd Patterson!

shut the hell up! if rocky wasn't scared of patterson, then why didn't he fight him? he was already training to fight, so why throw all that training down the drain cause you don't feel like fighting someone. it's obvious he ducked patterson, but in your little minds he didn't fight him cause he didn't think he would be a challenge. he knew he couldn't beat him! that's why. first he saw how he made short work of moore, who gave rocky the fight of his life the year before. then he saw patterson almost kill johannson in the rematch, which had him scared ****less, "imagine what he could do to me" he must have thought. johansson weighed 200lbs to rocky's 180 and plus ingammar was more skilled as a fighter than rocky. yet floyd had the swede out cold for minutes with one punch! but you marciano fanboys say he's better than ali! well unlike rocky, muhammad fights anybody, not just people he thought he could beat. after ali lost to frazier in fight of the century, he was fighting fights and training hard for an ali-frazier rematch, so he could win his title back, but frazier was dethroned by george foreman in two rounds. but did ali all of a sudden didn't want to fight foreman, cause he expected frazier to be his opponent. no! he fought foreman anyway and crushed him. that's what a true champion does. he doesn't duck someone cause he thinks he doesn't have a chance like rocky did patterson so you can go about all you want about how cus didn't want to do business with some people, but if marciano really wanted to fight patterson, then a compromise would have been made and the fight would have went on, if rocky really wanted it that bad IMO.

Yogi
12-14-2005, 12:30 PM
Butterfly, you're ****ing clueless!

Marciano spent only a few weeks in training for a comeback against Johansson before eventually giving it up, as he told his Uncle Mike..."The hell with it. I could never get in shape"

That training Marciano did was in Sept & Oct of 1959, which was a long time before Patterson regained the title back from Johansson.

But you're clueless to that whole situation and I can't be bothered wasting my time, so enough of that. But since you're a big Ali fan, I've got a question for you...

Why did he duck Duane Bobick in the spring of 1977?

Dempsey 1919
12-14-2005, 12:35 PM
Butterfly, you're ****ing clueless!

Marciano spent only a few weeks in training for a comeback against Johansson before eventually giving it up, as he told his Uncle Mike..."The hell with it. I could never get in shape"

That training Marciano did was in Sept & Oct of 1955, which was a long time before Patterson regained the title back from Johansson.

But you're clueless to that whole situation and I can't be bothered wasting my time, so enough of that. But since you're a big Ali fan, I've got a question for you...

Why did he duck Duane Bobick in the spring of 1977?

if you watch classic ringside top ten hw then you would know that if johansson won the rematch against patterson then rocky would have fought him. are you trying to say that even if johansson won that rocky still wouldn't fight him? WOW! and who the heck is dwayne bobick?

Yogi
12-14-2005, 12:40 PM
if you watch classic ringside top ten hw then you would know that if johansson won the rematch against patterson then rocky would have fought him. are you trying to say that even if johansson won that rocky still wouldn't fight him? WOW! and who the heck is dwayne bobick?

I don't need to watch some show to form an opinion on the suject, as I've done my own reading/research on the subject...Was that Bert Sugar's show, or what?

Who was Duane Bobick, you ask?

Well, and this is the short description of him, that's the guy that Ali blatantly ducked out of a title defense against in the spring of 1977.

Dempsey1238
12-14-2005, 01:06 PM
Rocky did not duck Patterson, and whats his name with the cigar and hat got it all wrong.

Marciano train for a whole month while muffing over the thought of a comback against than champ Ingo.

After Marciano found out he did not "Have the willness to train" like he did, he made up his mind to stay in retirement.

A few months later Patterson regain the belt.

If Ingo HAD won the rematch, I dont think Marciano would have return to face him, as he was not in the same shape that he was in, the 1950's.

The guy can make a few errors, or his own option, but its not a fact.

LondonRingRules
12-14-2005, 05:45 PM
======shut the hell up! if rocky wasn't scared of patterson, then why didn't he fight him? he was already training to fight, so why throw all that training down the drain cause you don't feel like fighting someone. it's obvious he ducked patterson, but in your little minds he didn't fight him cause he didn't think he would be a challenge. he knew he couldn't beat him! that's why. first he saw how he made short work of moore, who gave rocky the fight of his life the year before. then he saw patterson almost kill johannson in the rematch, which had him scared ****less, "imagine what he could do to me" he must have thought. johansson weighed 200lbs to rocky's 180 and plus ingammar was more skilled as a fighter than rocky. =================

** Kids. You teach em how to read and write, and all of a sudden they forget their potty training.

Dempsey1238
12-14-2005, 07:12 PM
You shut the hell up.

Marciano only train for a MONTH, Ingo was champ when Marciano was suppose to make his comeback.

Marciano gave up training, because other things, and Busnesse got in the way.

Marciano was not in training and have all ready giving up on the comeback by the time Patterson beat Ingo in 1960,

Marciano comeback training was in 1959 for a month. Marciano just could NOT get in the shape he was in for the early 50's. Marciano was not going to comeback VS Patterson or Ingo, in the SHAPE he wanted to be in.

Yogi
12-14-2005, 07:21 PM
You shut the hell up.

Marciano only train for a MONTH, Ingo was champ when Marciano was suppose to make his comeback.

Marciano gave up training, because other things, and Busnesse got in the way.

Marciano was not in training and have all ready giving up on the comeback by the time Patterson beat Ingo in 1960,

Marciano comeback training was in 1959 for a month. Marciano just could NOT get in the shape he was in for the early 50's. Marciano was not going to comeback VS Patterson or Ingo, in the SHAPE he wanted to be in.

Ah Greek...LRR was quoting Butterfly's earlier post from before, and his only comment of his own was, "Kids. You teach em how to read and write, and all of a sudden they forget their potty training."

i.e. He was calling Butterfly an idiot basically.

Dempsey1238
12-14-2005, 07:25 PM
opps, Sorry did not mean 2, I see Butterfly's earler post.