chuck lidell is a grapplers worse nightmare [Archive]

Marjoh

12-13-2005, 08:55 PM

no i think the only reason rampage beat him that easy was because chuck isnt use to the 10 minute first round and also having to fight before. i think if he faught rampage fresh with ufc rules or even pride style chuck would do much better.

Chuck fought in Pride twice before his bout with Rampage. And it's not like he's winning the first five minutes. So that's not a good excuse.

And the problem is not BJJ itself, but the takedown. If he fight a great BJJ that could take him to the ground...well, let's just say Liddell is not a ground expert. If I were Liddell, I would try my hands again on the next Pride GP (but I doubt White would go through it again).

.feel the fury

kaps

12-14-2005, 12:29 AM

http://www.mma-news.ch/pride_fc_rampage_liddell.jpg
http://maxfighting.com/FileLibrary/horn_liddell.jpg
http://bjj.org/susumu/ufc43-20030606/images/susumu22.jpg

VulgarTheClown

12-14-2005, 12:34 AM

Chuck is so scary because too many people rely on the shot.

The clinch is Chucks kryptonite.

Meester Keester

12-14-2005, 02:38 AM

Chuck is pretty good at poking people in the eyes as well.

LHWchamp5

12-14-2005, 10:37 AM

KAPS luv the pics, now these huggers will know their god isn't invincible..

P.S
Seen lord fedor anywhere??

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-14-2005, 05:43 PM

http://www.mma-news.ch/pride_fc_rampage_liddell.jpg
http://maxfighting.com/FileLibrary/horn_liddell.jpg
http://bjj.org/susumu/ufc43-20030606/images/susumu22.jpg

lets see, coutur beat him with wrestlin but
got knocked the hell out in the rematch, bwa ha ha

rampage beat him with wrestlin and punches, but
guarantee you he cant do it again since chuck
is way better now chuck will knock his ass out

horn beat him by submission with a ju jitsu hold,
when chuck was not that experiensed, but got his
ass beat down in the rematch. how come horns
ju jitsu did not work this time?

i'll tell you why. cuz MMA has been updated since
than to the point that JuJitsu alone just do
not work. and that is my point of the thread.
Ju Jitsu is obsoleat

kaps

12-14-2005, 05:55 PM

I wouldnt call it obsolete, and if it is, it is because everyone knows it. If Chuck didnt have any Jiu Jitsu training, he would of lost alot more fights. Everyone knows it, and Chuck still trains in Jiu Jitsu. I am suprised that a boxing fan likes such a sloppy puncher like Liddell. Liddell poked Couture in the eye. I dont think he is much better than when Rampage beat his ass, and you cant find any evidence to prove it. Horn got beat, suprisingly without an eyepoke. Good job on your 1 non controversial vitory since Rampage beat you Chuck!

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-14-2005, 05:57 PM

kaps

12-14-2005, 05:59 PM

i'll tell you why. cuz MMA has been updated since
than to the point that JuJitsu alone just do
not work. and that is my point of the thread.
Ju Jitsu is obsoleat

If this was the point of your thread, we might as well call you Captain Obvious. You do know that MMA means Mixed Martial Arts right? Of cource Jiu Jitsu alone doesnt work. Neither does pure boxing, or kickboxing, or any other art by its self. The real point behind this thread was you nuthugging/trolling Chuck Liddell to try and make an argument...

kaps

12-14-2005, 06:01 PM

you gots to be kidding me. I did not
see chuck poke randy in the eye.

Have you seen the fight? Like the part when they stopped it, let Randy try and recover from the eyepoke, and then continued it...

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-14-2005, 06:02 PM

If this was the point of your thread, we might as well call you Captain Obvious. You do know that MMA means Mixed Martial Arts right? Of cource Jiu Jitsu alone doesnt work. Neither does pure boxing, or kickboxing, or any other art by its self. The real point behind this thread was you nuthugging/trolling Chuck Liddell to try and make an argument...

bull**** quit being negative

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-14-2005, 06:04 PM

Have you seen the fight? Like the part when they stopped it, let Randy try and recover from the eyepoke, and then continued it...

yeah i saw the fight. randy got punched
in the eye then complained to the ref
look at in slow mo that **** was not a
poke that was punch. chuck punches too
damn hard thats the reality.

kaps

12-14-2005, 06:12 PM

yeah i saw the fight. randy got punched
in the eye then complained to the ref
look at in slow mo that **** was not a
poke that was punch. chuck punches too
damn hard thats the reality.

Riiiiight....

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-14-2005, 06:14 PM

Riiiiight....

quit makin excuses for randy losing
that fool got KOd fare and square like
i have never seen before. randy was out
and i mean out.

kaps

12-14-2005, 06:17 PM

An exerpt from a radio interview with Dan Henderson and Chuck Liddell's trainer John Hackleman...

Hackelman: Dan (Henderson) got his KO power at The Pit.......

Dan Henderson: OK, but I haven't mastered the eye poke yet.

Hackelman: The Hawaiian Kempo Eye Poke....

Dan Henderson: At least your honest about it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-14-2005, 06:18 PM

kaps

12-14-2005, 06:19 PM

http://www.subfighter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2009
"(An early) poke in the eye changed my composure," Couture says, "and I chased him around instead of cutting him off. By going straight at him — I had hit him with a good shot and stood him up, then threw a left hook and overcommitted — I allowed him to step to the right and gave him the angle where I was out of position."

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-14-2005, 06:21 PM

kaps

12-14-2005, 06:22 PM

All evidence, including Liddell's trainer, says there was an eyepoke, he dont know how to make a fist right, people get poked in the eye....

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-14-2005, 06:24 PM

All evidence, including Liddell's trainer, says there was an eyepoke, he dont know how to make a fist right, people get poked in the eye....

chuck knocked his over rated ass out.
randy will be kod again his ol over rated
self.

VulgarTheClown

12-14-2005, 09:25 PM

quit makin excuses for randy losing
that fool got KOd fare and square like
i have never seen before. randy was out
and i mean out.

it wasn't even at punching distance, it was in a clinch and he goe an eye full of fingers man.

you are barkin up the wrong tree on this one killer. Kaps pwns 85% of all MMA conversation.

he knows what he speaks mother ****er lives ona farm and has nothin better to do than study tape!

Marjoh

12-15-2005, 04:23 AM

Mike Tyson Jr., could you plz elaborate more on your responses. And you dismissed the fact that even Liddell's own trainer seems honest about it. I'm in no way confirming that Liddell landed the Hawaiian Kempo Eye Poke (or what ever they call it) during his rematch with Couture. But it seems a lot of news site have reported it that way (maybe they have a higher quality video of the fight).

Liddell-Couture 2 wasn't the first time Liddell was accused of using or trying to use the poke art. But one thing I'm sure of, twenty seconds into the fight (rematch), Liddell tried to used the eye poke. The entire time Chuck's left hand is fully fisted/closed, he swang and half way through he released both his middle and index finger (Couture dodge it).

I truly believe the eye problem occurred during the clinch/attempt between 1:34-1:40. Again, I'm in no way confirming it was cost by an eye poke. But there was no clear punch during those time that would have cost it. Right after it, the ref stopped the time at 1:47 and the ref and the doctor (I think it was a doctor) check Couture's eye for any damage. And twelve seconds after the fight resumed, Couture was KOed.

.feel the fury

LHWchamp5

12-15-2005, 09:06 AM

Tyson are you planning on havign kids???

If so please don't let your mom hold your baby, it's obvious that she dropped you way too many times as a child... :boxing:

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-15-2005, 05:34 PM

yall need to quit makin excuses
like little girls. aint no eye poke
that was a hard ass punch that made
randy ask the ref for help. than he
got his ass KOd. quit makin excuses.
anyway the point of the thread is
that Ju jitsu dont work anymore.

Marjoh

12-15-2005, 06:20 PM

Do you even read the posted messanges before you reply? And you keep saying stop making excuses like little girls when you sounds just like one with your highly thoughtful replies. Oh, BTW, I'm just saying what I think is right. Because as I said before that I'm a Liddell fan myself (there's a different between a fan and a nuthugger). Kinda like when I was rooting for Taylor to beat Hopkins on their first match. But after the fight, I was kinda disappointed with the decision.

lets see, coutur beat him with wrestlin but
got knocked the hell out in the rematch, bwa ha ha

rampage beat him with wrestlin and punches, but
guarantee you he cant do it again since chuck
is way better now chuck will knock his ass out

horn beat him by submission with a ju jitsu hold,
when chuck was not that experiensed, but got his
ass beat down in the rematch. how come horns
ju jitsu did not work this time?

i'll tell you why. cuz MMA has been updated since
than to the point that JuJitsu alone just do
not work. and that is my point of the thread.
Ju Jitsu is obsoleat

And your right. BJJ doesn't work anymore. So is Judo, Boxing, Karate, and any other form of art. That's why most, if not all, MMA fighter are not limited to one art. That's why it's called MIX Martial ART; not necessarily mean "one art against another," but because a fighter is not limited to one art.

- We really don't know how much better Liddell is now because after the Rampage fight, he has fought and beaten Ortiz, White, Couture (questionable), and Horn. Rampage has enough power to take Liddell to the ground. And we don't know how improve Liddell's ground game. So don't guarantee anything, yet.

- The reason Horn's JJ did not work is because he doesn't have the takedown to attempt JJ on the ground.

- Jiu-Jitsu is obsolete? You're new to MMA, are you?

.feel the fury

LHWchamp5

12-15-2005, 09:47 PM

This thread should deffinatly be re-titled...

"Chuck Liddell an Eye balls worst nightmare"...

kaps

12-15-2005, 09:55 PM

This thread should deffinatly be re-titled...

"Chuck Liddell an Eye balls worst nightmare"...

Haha, some Karma for that...

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-16-2005, 11:25 AM

Ha ha- Chuck knocked the hell out
Randy, and the jealous haters are
hatin. Chuck is the champ of the world
by vicous Knock the **** out. LOL

Mr. Beelzebub

12-16-2005, 12:50 PM

All of the sudden Sherdog doesn't seem like such a bad place.

VulgarTheClown

12-16-2005, 03:04 PM

Who remembers Overeem KILLING Chuck till he landed that lucky desperate as overhand right that rocked Overeem?

If chuck fight a good sriker he will be killed.

state and point.

too bad all the good strikers are in Japan.

Mr. Beelzebub

12-16-2005, 03:10 PM

VulgarTheClown

12-16-2005, 09:28 PM

Allistair has worse cardio than Bob Sapp.

but he still banged up chuck BAD

Cesaro

12-16-2005, 11:21 PM

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Mike Tyson Jr.

12-17-2005, 12:38 PM

just quit hatin and acept
a fare defeat.

LHWchamp5

12-17-2005, 02:39 PM

just quit hatin and acept
a fare defeat. :crackhead

LMAO@ the sentence above :stupid: their's 8 words the biggest one has 6 letters and you spelled 3 of them wrong...

Dude stop trolling the internet and do something with your life you social outcast..

:canada:

VulgarTheClown

12-17-2005, 04:11 PM

I <3 lollipops

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-18-2005, 05:09 PM

:crackhead

LMAO@ the sentence above :stupid: their's 8 words the biggest one has 6 letters and you spelled 3 of them wrong...

Dude stop trolling the internet and do something with your life you social outcast..

:canada:

randy lost deal with it. ju jitsu aint
the **** no more.

leow

12-18-2005, 06:59 PM

lol man u don't know much about mma its pretty clear if you only knew how much jiu jitsu chuck trains

VulgarTheClown

12-19-2005, 12:26 PM

randy lost deal with it. ju jitsu aint
the **** no more.

i realy REALLY hate to burst your bubble but Randy isn't a BJJ practitioner. Randy is a world class WRESTLER. His submission game isn't that good.

So OK Chuck Beat Jeremy there you can talk about BJJ but thats it. Not Randy.

Easy-E

12-19-2005, 04:57 PM

http://www.mma-news.ch/pride_fc_rampage_liddell.jpg
http://maxfighting.com/FileLibrary/horn_liddell.jpg
http://bjj.org/susumu/ufc43-20030606/images/susumu22.jpg

lidell is better now that he was in pride, and is better than he was against horn, even tho i thout horns first win was bull****
the round had ended, then chuck got out of the hold, his face red, and the ref said chuck couldnt continue. anyone who saw that fight must have been confused, bc i sure was.
as for chucks eyepokes, alot of them are made up, esp vernon whites, but randy is a no class whiner, who got poked early, got ktfo'd and then complained afterwards. if he wasnt ready to continue bc of the poke, he shouldnt have continued. liddel is the best in the business rite now

kaps

12-19-2005, 05:19 PM

lidell is better now that he was in pride, and is better than he was against horn, even tho i thout horns first win was bull****
the round had ended, then chuck got out of the hold, his face red, and the ref said chuck couldnt continue. anyone who saw that fight must have been confused, bc i sure was.

What exactly makes you think Chuck is better now than he was in Pride, where have you seen any change in his "throw sloppy hard punches and hope one lands" game? Also, how is getting choked out bull****? He was sleeping dude....

as for chucks eyepokes, alot of them are made up, esp vernon whites, but randy is a no class whiner, who got poked early, got ktfo'd and then complained afterwards. if he wasnt ready to continue bc of the poke, he shouldnt have continued.

I'll give you the Vernon White eyepoke, I didnt see it, or how it could of been. Randy is a fighter, he didnt want to stop the fight because of the poke, he wanted to continue for the UFC and its fans would have a main event. Atleast you dont deny there wasnt an eyepoke.....

liddel is the best in the business rite now

Not only is Liddell not the best in the buisness, he aint even the best in the 205lb weight class. Fighters ranked above him are Vanderlei Silva, Shogun Rua, Ricardo Arona, and Quinton Jackson...

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-19-2005, 05:35 PM

lidell is better now that he was in pride, and is better than he was against horn, even tho i thout horns first win was bull****
the round had ended, then chuck got out of the hold, his face red, and the ref said chuck couldnt continue. anyone who saw that fight must have been confused, bc i sure was.
as for chucks eyepokes, alot of them are made up, esp vernon whites, but randy is a no class whiner, who got poked early, got ktfo'd and then complained afterwards. if he wasnt ready to continue bc of the poke, he shouldnt have continued. liddel is the best in the business rite now

thank you. you will recieve some good karma
and couture is an excuse makin *****. if i got
poked in the eye I would tell the ref i cant
continue and get the other guy disqaulifyed. but when
you look at the video in slo mo you see that there
was no eye poke whatsoever just a hard ass punch to the
face. randy is a crybaby makin up excuses and hope
he gets kod again for being a sore loser lier.

LHWchamp5

12-20-2005, 08:37 AM

Sakuraba would KO chuck standing quicker than he KO'd shammyrock
Infact saku could KO chuck standing up and blindfolded..
(needs to defend the eye poke).

VulgarTheClown

12-20-2005, 12:36 PM

thank you. you will recieve some good karma
and couture is an excuse makin *****. if i got
poked in the eye I would tell the ref i cant
continue and get the other guy disqaulifyed. but when
you look at the video in slo mo you see that there
was no eye poke whatsoever just a hard ass punch to the
face. randy is a crybaby makin up excuses and hope
he gets kod again for being a sore loser lier.

BRO - The randy eye poke stopped the fight, the ref STOPPED THE FIGHT TO CHECK HIS EYE BECAUSE CHCUK PUT LIKE 4 FINGERS IN RANDY's EYE.

The hit that KO'd him, yes it KO'd him and was on the side of his face.

Mike Tyson Jr.

12-20-2005, 05:44 PM

BRO - The randy eye poke stopped the fight, the ref STOPPED THE FIGHT TO CHECK HIS EYE BECAUSE CHCUK PUT LIKE 4 FINGERS IN RANDY's EYE.

The hit that KO'd him, yes it KO'd him and was on the side of his face.

like i said watch it in slow motion
it was a wicked punch that rocked him

Easy-E

12-22-2005, 03:02 AM

What exactly makes you think Chuck is better now than he was in Pride, where have you seen any change in his "throw sloppy hard punches and hope one lands" game? Also, how is getting choked out bull****? He was sleeping dude....

I'll give you the Vernon White eyepoke, I didnt see it, or how it could of been. Randy is a fighter, he didnt want to stop the fight because of the poke, he wanted to continue for the UFC and its fans would have a main event. Atleast you dont deny there wasnt an eyepoke.....

Not only is Liddell not the best in the buisness, he aint even the best in the 205lb weight class. Fighters ranked above him are Vanderlei Silva, Shogun Rua, Ricardo Arona, and Quinton Jackson...

chuck lidell is the best ufc fighter out there, thats what i should have said.

also, in the first lidell horn fight, the ROUND was over, chuck was getting up and THEN the ref stopped the fight. thats what pissed me off. horn probably would have gone on to win the fight, but that stoppage was stupid, the round was already over

I3C727

12-22-2005, 08:55 PM

when i saw it it looked like liddel didnt get up at all when the round was over. it was a while ago when i watched it but thats what i remember. personally i cant wait untill someone beats chuck. hopefully couture will be able to on feb.4

Fallout

12-24-2005, 04:54 AM

Kaps, we all know you don't like Liddel so its really hard to think your posts are without bias. Its like me saying Hughes would beat Penn again. Everyone knows I love Matt, so its tough to say my arguments would be based totally in logic.

All that being said, Chuck was injuried going into his fight with Jackson. His cardio really suffered because of it. I am not saying he would beat Jackson in a re-match but its tough to put a lot of sake into something that happend nearly 3 years ago when one fighter was injuried. You want to see a tip top Chuck Liddel? Watch his fight against Ortiz.

Also, the fact you think Chuck could actually poke someone in the eye on purpose is retarded. Do you know how hard it would be to do that throwing the type of looping punches Liddel does? With MMA gloves you sometimes get hit in the eye because they aren't as round as boxing gloves. Thats it.

Chuck's style matches up very well against a lot of the PRIDE fighters too. Espically Arona and Silva. Silva has gotten rocked by strikers that aren't even a shadow of Chuck Liddel. Sakuraba, Tamura, Ortiz........they have all hurt Silva standing. Sure, Silva recovered quick against thoses guys, but imagine if one of Chuck's punches hit him? Even you would have to admit it wouldn't be the same.

Arona is was made to be beaten by Chuck Liddel. Arona would have a hard time taking Chuck down and holding him down. Also, the way Arona stands straight up and sticks his chin out? Thats just begging to be KOed. I am surprised no one has done it.

Rua is a bad match-up for Chuck because Rua seems to do everything better except maybe power punching. Rua is faster, has better cardio and trains with an excellent team. Chuck would probably have more success trying to take him down. Well, in IMO anyway.

leow

12-24-2005, 05:09 AM

Silva can't be KO'd any one that resist Hunt's punch and buttdrop is unkoable.

LHWchamp5

12-24-2005, 12:04 PM

Luv how everybody says chucks tha man and their so quick to defend his loss by blaming it on an injury..

Didn't you learn anything from TUF2 suck it up beeatch..

kaps

12-24-2005, 03:54 PM

If Hunt or CroCop cannot KO Silva, no ****ing way is Liddell going to do it....

kaps

12-24-2005, 04:21 PM

Kaps, we all know you don't like Liddel so its really hard to think your posts are without bias. Its like me saying Hughes would beat Penn again. Everyone knows I love Matt, so its tough to say my arguments would be based totally in logic.

Although it is true, that I think Liddell is an arrogant redneck, I do respect him as a fighter. I try to be as unbiased as I can when discussing fights, unlike the guy who created this thread.

All that being said, Chuck was injuried going into his fight with Jackson. His cardio really suffered because of it. I am not saying he would beat Jackson in a re-match but its tough to put a lot of sake into something that happend nearly 3 years ago when one fighter was injuried. You want to see a tip top Chuck Liddel? Watch his fight against Ortiz.

To Quote Mike Tyson Jr. "Stop making excuses, he got ****ed up." Chuck being injured is bull****, he looked it good shape, with his cardio failing him later like it always does. Tip Top Chuck in his first eyepoke victory? I'm not saying he would of lost to Ortiz, infact I new Tito was gonna get KOed sooner or later, but Chuck still thumbed him, then came with the KO flurry.

Also, the fact you think Chuck could actually poke someone in the eye on purpose is retarded. Do you know how hard it would be to do that throwing the type of looping punches Liddel does? With MMA gloves you sometimes get hit in the eye because they aren't as round as boxing gloves. Thats it.

It seems to happen alot for somthing that is hard to do. Ask Vernon, Tito, or Randy......

Chuck's style matches up very well against a lot of the PRIDE fighters too. Espically Arona and Silva. Silva has gotten rocked by strikers that aren't even a shadow of Chuck Liddel. Sakuraba, Tamura, Ortiz........they have all hurt Silva standing. Sure, Silva recovered quick against thoses guys, but imagine if one of Chuck's punches hit him? Even you would have to admit it wouldn't be the same.

Silva has gotten rocked, but if you seriously think that Liddell has the striking power of Mark Hunt or CroCop you are mistakin, Neither of these top level K-1 guys could KO him, no way can Chuck. Another thing, I think Silva is a bad match up for Chuck. Silva would overwhelm chuck with his aggresive striking style turning his face into hamburger meat in the proccess. The only way I see Chuck winning that one is by doc stop because of a cut.

Arona is was made to be beaten by Chuck Liddel. Arona would have a hard time taking Chuck down and holding him down. Also, the way Arona stands straight up and sticks his chin out? Thats just begging to be KOed. I am surprised no one has done it.

Rampage did it, in the ring, Arona could take Chuck down, he does that takedown where he charges them against the ropes and then uses the rebound to get them down. Could he hold chuck down? Probably no. But I think Chuck would probably pull off a win in this one.

Rua is a bad match-up for Chuck because Rua seems to do everything better except maybe power punching. Rua is faster, has better cardio and trains with an excellent team. Chuck would probably have more success trying to take him down. Well, in IMO anyway.

Rua would school Chuck on the ground too. Chucks gameplan for this fight would be like every other fight. Throw sloppy punches and hope one of them lands....

VulgarTheClown

12-24-2005, 04:46 PM

Fallout

12-24-2005, 05:36 PM

LHWchamp5

12-24-2005, 07:59 PM

Kaps, to address your point about Cro Cop and Hunt, neither of thoses fighters had the ground skills in their fights to fully take advantage of their striking power. Mirko was always worried about the takedown and when Hunt nearly knocked Silva head off, he couldn't get past the guard when he dropped down to finish him off. Liddel would not have that problem.

As for the sloppyness factor, yeah Liddel is sloppier than a hooker after a 8 hour shift but his hands seem to have eyes. They always find a way to land and if they land solid, its good night.

Yoour telling me Liddell would have no trouble passing wanderleis gaurd??
Where do I begin??
wanderlei is a BJJ blackbelt.. Arona is famous for his ground skills and he couldnt' pass wanderleis gaurd..
So for you to say chuck would have no trouble is an absolute joke..
Look at Chcuk/randy1..
Randy got mount and chuck was useless..
Chuck/rampage, rampage got mount and the towel came flyin in..
Chcuk goes 3 rnds and his hands are hanging at his belly...
I'm not tryin to say chuck is a ****ty fighter, but you should stop tryin to say he's the best 205'r in the world..

kaps

12-24-2005, 08:15 PM

Kaps, to address your point about Cro Cop and Hunt, neither of thoses fighters had the ground skills in their fights to fully take advantage of their striking power. Mirko was always worried about the takedown and when Hunt nearly knocked Silva head off, he couldn't get past the guard when he dropped down to finish him off. Liddel would not have that problem.

Like LHWchamp said, if Arona aint passing, neither is Liddell, Liddell may hit Silva with some chin music, but Silva will recover, in my opinion the fight will go to a decision if it ever happened, with Silva getting the nod for the simple fact that his aggression will overwhelm Chuck, and he has a larger arsonal of strikes and doesnt just rely on his punches. Chuck's always got that one punch to put someone on queer street, but I dont see that punch effecting Wandy as bad as Hunts did, or Chuck being able to finish it off.

As for the sloppyness factor, yeah Liddel is sloppier than a hooker after a 8 hour shift but his hands seem to have eyes. They always find a way to land and if they land solid, its good night.

I believe his sloppy punching will be his downfall. A crisp clean striker will be able to beat him, avoiding the looping punches and firing straight shots down the middle. All we need is the UFC to get more/better strikers for the LHW devision....

kaps

12-24-2005, 08:57 PM

you talkin about Ninja Rua or Shogun?

Shogun would kill chuck.

Ninja would be an entertaining fight tho more even. Ninja's cardio is about the same or equal and is sloppy but not as sloppy as chuck. Chuck's sloppyness works for him tho.

Yeah, we're talking about Shogun. I agree Ninja would be an entertaining fight, they would both be swingin away. It'd be great.....

2nd II none

12-25-2005, 03:59 AM

chuck lidell puts grapplers in fear
they know they cant hold him down
as they proceed to get knocked the ****
out. fighters like chuck are making
Brazilian JuJitsu worthless in these
fights. Chuck Lidell KO1 Hoyce Gracy.

You do realize that 98% of all todays top fighters are cross trained in bjj/kickboxing,boxing,wrestling among other styles so really what you said here is kinda dumb.And to prove my point see Lidell vs Rampage,Lidell vs Couture 1.

2nd II none

12-25-2005, 04:05 AM

Yoour telling me Liddell would have no trouble passing wanderleis gaurd??
Where do I begin??
wanderlei is a BJJ blackbelt.. Arona is famous for his ground skills and he couldnt' pass wanderleis gaurd..
So for you to say chuck would have no trouble is an absolute joke..
Look at Chcuk/randy1..
Randy got mount and chuck was useless..
Chuck/rampage, rampage got mount and the towel came flyin in..
Chcuk goes 3 rnds and his hands are hanging at his belly...
I'm not tryin to say chuck is a ****ty fighter, but you should stop tryin to say he's the best 205'r in the world..

Excellent point,there are 3 other fighters that could easily be in front of him on that list.

Wanderlei Silva,Maurico Rua,Ricardo Arona, in no particular order.Plus you can't leave out Dan Henderson either.

kaps

12-25-2005, 05:00 AM

Yeah, you can, seeing as how Dan Henderson fights at 185lbs....

2nd II none

12-25-2005, 07:12 AM

Yeah, you can, seeing as how Dan Henderson fights at 185lbs....

oh **** my mistake Ithought his first fight with bustamante was at 205 in the 2003 gp :confused:

LHWchamp5

12-25-2005, 08:37 AM

ALL you chuck fans out there..

Anybody see liddell vs mezger??

2 top kickboxers in MMA at teh time.. They fought in the pride ring the whole first round was standing up and mezger was pickin chuck apart with ease..
Mezger dropped chuck with 1 punch, so to all you that think he can't be KO;d think again..
He was dazed, his eyes were wide, don't even think he knew he was on the ground..
Anyway the second round came and yes mezger got SLOPPY and chuck finished him with a flurry..

The fact remains chuck was being out kick-boxed by mezger..
Mezger didnt' just win the first round, he dominated/shut chuck's offence completely down..
I suggest you take a llook at that fight too see how well chuck does against another top knotch striker..

Remeber randy and tito are wrestlers and we all know Tito's Defence is ****.. The first time randy and chuck fought, randy was dominating every aspect of the fight and again in the 3rd round chuck could barely hold his hands up...
That's why i call him the lazy boxer :D